Forging...

[nocturnix]

Looking to play around with forging since i have this stock of glyphs. I am planning to create a forging alt and his only purpose would be to forge. Before I do, I was wondering the following:

1. STR,DISC,CON,DEX and LOG all affect forging and how fast you learn forging according to this (http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Crafting). But I cant max them all. So In what order are those the most important?

2. Just to double check: i dont have to level this alt at all, and it wont affect forging, my ability, or cap me somehow?

3. What are the cheapest paths to leveling up forging? I want to start with THW and Polearms, either one first doesnt matter which.

4. What materials should I be using to level up my forging? I have stockpiled some slabs of varying metals, and even alot of crappier metals like steel/iron.

Thanks!

[DrZaius]

1. Logic seems very important. I think people max that if they want to learn quickly. Not sure on the order of importance.
2. Other than being able to hold 4x weapons, I don't think you need any particular level, no. Your stats could be higher if you started when you were higher, though.
3. The paths as far as I know are all about the same to level up, in terms of time. (I mastered Crafting in 135 hours, OHB in 133 hours, and THW in 143 hours. The last few ranks are a crapshoot).
4. You shouldn't use anything but steel or the cheapest wood to rank up. Wax glyphs of the weapon you want to try and learn too. I am pretty sure there is an ideal change in which glyph you use when (i.e. some glyphs are easier than others), but I've completely forgotten the order.

Key things to remember: If you want to forge with magical metals, you need a magical forging hammer. Most people make a mithril one, because it's cheapest (and can forge all the other metals). Mine cost me 548K in materials to make, and took 39 hours. DO NOT, repeat DO NOT try to make one before you have 500 crafting. Even if you have 2 "perfect" pieces, they aren't actually perfect until you have 500 ranks. You need 2 perfect pieces and a perfect vise to get a "perfect" mithril forging hammer.

Lemme know if you have any other questions, I used to do a lot of this stuff. You can search this forum too, I've got a couple of posts on forging.

EDIT: Also, bear in mind race plays a large factor on how successful your forger will be. I believe that Dwarf Paladins make great Forgers, and Dark Elf Rogues make great crafters (which is the skill used to vise stuff you forge). More on the krakii article saved articles.

-DrZ

[Gibreficul]

I've mastered forging a boatload of times... Here's how I do it...

Crafting first... use the glyph in the crafting workshop to make forging-hammer handles. Use cheap wood blocks to do it.

Create forging hammer. (I like to make my perfect hammer now, but any old hammer will do.)

Master weapon skill(s). Use weapon glyphs from the town shop. Keep note of what level of forger I am in that weapon style and move up the weapon glyphs as needed. Over simplified, I try to use the glyph that'll let me have the most chances to get a rank per glyph trace. (Some two-handed weapons are up to 7 per trace.) That way I spend the least amount of time tracing (30 seconds each) as possible.

[nocturnix]

OK I have mastered crafting and 2HW...Now I attempted my first perfect. Here is what I have so far:

5 perfect shaft pieces ready to go.

0 perfect head/blade pieces.

Spent 1 million silvers.

Material: ora

Am I doing something wrong here?

How much should I expect to spend to get 1 perfect blade/head piece? Is it normal to spend this much and not even get one? Jeez I hope I dont fail a combine...

[Kastrel]

Would it be better to craft from a lower enchant metal, then enchant up your successes?

[nocturnix]

Sure i suppose it would be alot cheaper, but I like ora :D Unfortunately I guess it doesnt necessarily command a higher price. Still curious if I am doing something wrong (other than working with Ora)

One more note, I just reread the thread since its been so long since i started. I saw you need a perfect forging hammer with magical metal and my heart jumped, logged in and checked. Luckily i have been using a perfect MITHRIL hammer so I should be good. That would have been a huge waste. So I can at least rule that out.

[Donquix]

that's about right. you need to be mastered in crafting, mastered in the weapon style, using a perfect hammer you are attuned to (which you will be, if you made it). You need a "best" piece for the shaft/hilt and the head/blade (if you appraise them i believe they will show as "superior" quality) that you created while you were already mastered in the above. Then you need to get a "best" vise attempt with those best individual pieces and you make a perfect.

it's like 5% or so (roughly) to get a best on anything, so expect to have to go through about 20 vise attempts before you get a perfect. There's a reason not everyone forges. It's a terrible, isolated, boring timesink with nice but frankly marginal rewards. (and i'm a master forger of all weapon types, stupid achiever/completionist mentality)

[nocturnix]

that's about right. you need to be mastered in crafting, mastered in the weapon style, using a perfect hammer you are attuned to (which you will be, if you made it). You need a "best" piece for the shaft/hilt and the head/blade (if you appraise them i believe they will show as "superior" quality) that you created while you were already mastered in the above. Then you need to get a "best" vise attempt with those best individual pieces and you make a perfect.

it's like 5% or so (roughly) to get a best on anything, so expect to have to go through about 20 vise attempts before you get a perfect. There's a reason not everyone forges. It's a terrible, isolated, boring timesink with nice but frankly marginal rewards. (and i'm a master forger of all weapon types, stupid achiever/completionist mentality)

Thanks for the info. One issue could be: I am using a perfect mithril hammer, but its one I bought. So does this mean i'm screwed and that this hammer is worthless to me? I HAVE to forge one myself?

I suppose forging one out of Ora is plain dumb then, at 24k per heavy slab. I burned through 1 mil without even one perfect head piece.

[Originate]

i believe you can/will bond with a hammer you buoght, but it takes a while. You are much better off forging w/mithril.

[Kastrel]

Thanks for the info. One issue could be: I am using a perfect mithril hammer, but its one I bought. So does this mean i'm screwed and that this hammer is worthless to me? I HAVE to forge one myself?

I suppose forging one out of Ora is plain dumb then, at 24k per heavy slab. I burned through 1 mil without even one perfect head piece.

My knowledge of forging is all theoretical, but I believe that you attune to hammers over time when using them? Could be wrong on that.

[nocturnix]

My knowledge of forging is all theoretical, but I believe that you attune to hammers over time when using them? Could be wrong on that.

So next question is then: how do i know when i'm attuned? Is there a way to check?

[Kastrel]

I think there is a message indicating it . . . think Warrior Bonding.

[Originate]

yea, there is a single message, but no way to check. So hopefully you haven't been using it long, or you log every session + can search

[Thondalar]

Yes, you can infact attune to a bought hammer, but it takes a while.

On the good side, you can sit there and pound steel for pretty darn cheap and get attuned to it.


-Thond

[Perivan]

Approximately how many forging attempts have you made? With a perfect forging hammer, you should produce superior pieces at around an 8% rate.

If you've spent 1m on ora for the head/blade and produced zero best pieces, I'd wager you haven't attuned to the hammer yet. You might find it easier to just craft a new one than to try attuning.

[Donquix]

yup, echoing everyone else. you can attune to a bought hammer and you just get the one time message saying it has occurred, no idea what that message is i made mine.

and just because it wasn't brought up just to clarify, it doesn't matter what magical metal your hammer is made out of it just has to be a magical metal of some variety to work with magical metals. there's no benefit currently (other than being awesome) in using an eonake hammer, for instance, compared to a mithiril one.

and it's not dumb to use ora. i tried to make none-mithril pieces when possible. my first perfects i made for myself were steel because well, i'm cheap but also they fit my character better than any other material. i used a lot of ora, and spent more than a shit ton of money on the slab generator at events hoping for some kelyn or eahnor for other projects.

spent a shit ton trying to make a gornar forging hammer too, came so close but never happened so back to the ole standard maoral hilted mithril hammer.

[nocturnix]

OK working in steel for now until i produce my first perfect (to be sure i dont blow money before im bonded).

One thing, I dont remember specifically the messaging when I was leveling up, but does this completion message seem right to you?

You finish your work and straighten up. Turning the steel maul-head you nod, satisfied with your work.
You plunge the still glowing maul-head into the tempering trough.
With a brief * HISSSSSS * followed by a soft * PFOOOOFF* the searing heat from the maul-head transforms most of the trough's contents into a cloud of vapor and then ignites it in an orange flame!

The strange thing is i'm not actually getting any pieces...am i doing something wrong, is this a failure?

[DrZaius]

Sure i suppose it would be alot cheaper, but I like ora :D Unfortunately I guess it doesnt necessarily command a higher price. Still curious if I am doing something wrong (other than working with Ora)

One more note, I just reread the thread since its been so long since i started. I saw you need a perfect forging hammer with magical metal and my heart jumped, logged in and checked. Luckily i have been using a perfect MITHRIL hammer so I should be good. That would have been a huge waste. So I can at least rule that out.

I have gone 0/42 on vise attempts before, so I would say it's working as intended. Perfects on magic metal end up being 100% luck; that's why when I was forging I used steel for the most part.

[nocturnix]

So, I figured out why i still have no perfect pieces showing up: i had squelch on. :)

[Gibreficul]

you nod, satisfied with your work.

Biggest lie in Gemstone.

[nocturnix]

:D I must not be bonded, still no perfect maul head pieces, thinking about switching to a mattock glyph until i produce one. Wasting my maul glyphs here...

[TheLastShamurai]

:D I must not be bonded, still no perfect maul head pieces, thinking about switching to a mattock glyph until i produce one. Wasting my maul glyphs here...

Yeah until you bond, drop the nice glyphs. But, a perfect piece isn't an indication of bonding. You need to see the message.

Honestly if you've mastered crafting, I would just make one. It will protect your sanity, since you'll know that you're bonded to it.

[nocturnix]

Man i made alot of mistakes leveling up my forging character, so little information out there. What is is scattered all over.

For example: if i had known i needed to bond to the hammer i bought, i would have used that from the very beginning. Instead i used a different hammer because i thought it didnt matter and somewhere I thought i remember hearing hammers can break/ware out.

Also I think i should have placed my stats for max vicing since this seems to be the most painful part in the end.

[Perivan]

Don't worry too much about your race/profession/stats. They only serve to lower your failure rate, and once you've mastered, the failure rate for everything but the grinding wheel appears to be incredibly low.

If you're committed to bonding with the hammer you bought, I'd stick to bronze quarterstaff caps until you either (a) see the bonding message or (b) produce a piece that appraises as "superior" quality. It's been awhile since I forged those, but I think they're the cheapest and fastest you can produce.

[nocturnix]

Don't worry too much about your race/profession/stats. They only serve to lower your failure rate, and once you've mastered, the failure rate for everything but the grinding wheel appears to be incredibly low.

If you're committed to bonding with the hammer you bought, I'd stick to bronze quarterstaff caps until you either (a) see the bonding message or (b) produce a piece that appraises as "superior" quality. It's been awhile since I forged those, but I think they're the cheapest and fastest you can produce.

Thank you for the info. I am currently leveling up polearms to bond with my hammer. I would imagine I should be bonded by the time I hit 500 on polearms, but I wont see the messaging as I dont have any highlights and dont know what it looks like and i'm not watching every single screen scroll message :) So I guess I will have to test it by getting a superior piece. Thanks!

[Wheelerm]

So, I'd like to bump this thread instead of starting a new one, as I found a lot of useful information in here and thought it'd be nice to keep it consolidated for anyone else looking for information on forging.

I have mastered crafting and have crafted my own perfect mithril forging-hammer and I have recently mastered OHE forging. So, now I have some questions:

1. I was looking at forging some Bastard Swords, but Bastard Swords are considered hybrid weapons and require skills in OHE and THW, right? So, does that mean I have to master forging both OHE and THW in order forge Bastard Swords?

2. Since I have mastered OHE forging, can I jump straight to forging broadswords/longswords/backswords, or do I still have to start small (with daggers)? If so, how do I know when I can move up to larger OHE weapons?

3. Is it harder (mechanics-wise) to forge the larger OHE weapons than it is to forge the smaller ones (i.e., is it easier to forge a dagger blade than it is to forge a backsword blade)?

4. I have not attempted to make anything with magic metals yet, and was curious if they are really harder to forge a superior head/blade, or is it about the same as the common metals and the difficulty comes with combining the handle with the head/blade (the crafting part)?

5. I thought I read that players can only master two weapon types, yet I see posts where people claim to be able to forge any kind of weapon. Have I misunderstood something, or has the crafting/forging mechanics changed?

6. I actually have two characters that I have mastered forging with. One is a Dwarven Warrior. As a dwarf, he get a bonus to crafting and a small bonus to forging, but as a warrior, he gets a small bonus to forging and a small handicap to crafting. The other character is a DE Rogue, which as a DE he gets a bonus to crafting and a small bonus to forging. There doesn't seem to be any bonus/penalty associated with the rogue profession. I guess I'm wondering how much of a washout the Dwarven Warrior combination is given the race and profession bonuses/penalties?

Thanks.

[Mohrgan]

So, I'd like to bump this thread instead of starting a new one, as I found a lot of useful information in here and thought it'd be nice to keep it consolidated for anyone else looking for information on forging.

I have mastered crafting and have crafted my own perfect mithril forging-hammer and I have recently mastered OHE forging. So, now I have some questions:

1. I was looking at forging some Bastard Swords, but Bastard Swords are considered hybrid weapons and require skills in OHE and THW, right? So, does that mean I have to master forging both OHE and THW in order forge Bastard Swords?

2. Since I have mastered OHE forging, can I jump straight to forging broadswords/longswords/backswords, or do I still have to start small (with daggers)? If so, how do I know when I can move up to larger OHE weapons?

3. Is it harder (mechanics-wise) to forge the larger OHE weapons than it is to forge the smaller ones (i.e., is it easier to forge a dagger blade than it is to forge a backsword blade)?

4. I have not attempted to make anything with magic metals yet, and was curious if they are really harder to forge a superior head/blade, or is it about the same as the common metals and the difficulty comes with combining the handle with the head/blade (the crafting part)?

5. I thought I read that players can only master two weapon types, yet I see posts where people claim to be able to forge any kind of weapon. Have I misunderstood something, or has the crafting/forging mechanics changed?

6. I actually have two characters that I have mastered forging with. One is a Dwarven Warrior. As a dwarf, he get a bonus to crafting and a small bonus to forging, but as a warrior, he gets a small bonus to forging and a small handicap to crafting. The other character is a DE Rogue, which as a DE he gets a bonus to crafting and a small bonus to forging. There doesn't seem to be any bonus/penalty associated with the rogue profession. I guess I'm wondering how much of a washout the Dwarven Warrior combination is given the race and profession bonuses/penalties?

Thanks.


1. Yes, to forge perfect hybrid weapons, you need to master BOTH styles involved in said hybrid (OHE/THW for bastards, OHE/Brawl for katars, etc)

2 and 3. My understanding is that the only difference in forging large vs. small weapons is that you use up metal faster with the larger ones (which is significant if you are using magic metals, which can get quite pricey), and there is no difference in the difficulty or rate of best pieces for different glyphs within a weapon style, per se, once you've mastered said weapon style(s).

4. According to GM Cirakin as well as play.net, the materials DO play a role in difficulty in obtaining a best piece, however, to my knowledge, no one knows what metals are harder or how big the difference is beyond "magical materials are more difficult to forge". In addition, it will feel WAY more difficult to forge higher enchant and rarer magic metals, because the RTs for each round of forging get way, way longer, so you will be getting far fewer best pieces per time spent in the forge. To my knowledge, the difficulty of assembling parts in the vise is NOT affected by the material.

5. http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Artisan_skill

"There is a limit on how many artisan skills a character can learn. Currently, each character can have 1200 artisan points. Learning two weapon styles and crafting counts as 500 points. Learning all weapon styles and crafting counts as 1000 points. "


6. The elf might be slightly better at crafting, but the dwarf warrior will probably be good all around. Depending on stats. I'm not aware that anyone actually knows what is meant by "bonus" "small bonus" "small handicap" in quantitative terms...therefore, it's probably best not to worry too much about it. I mean...you could say for the dwarf warrior [crafting bonus - crafting small handicap = crafting small bonus] or [forging small bonus + forging small bonus = forging bonus], but who knows it it's true, or, if true, what it means.

Good luck...I put in my time in the forge to master and grind out a few perfects, but I just can't take it and haven't even set foot in the blasted place for ages.

[Wheelerm]

Thanks for the reply. A friend of mine and I mastered forging within a few days of each other. Since then, he has forged a handful of perfect weapons ranging from daggers to handaxes. I have been working exclusively on trying to forge a perfect longsword, but have had no success in doing so. My friend has tried a few times and has not succeeded in forging a perfect longsword either.

I guess I'm wondering if they (longswords) are tougher to perfect than other OHE weapons and if so, why? Is this on purpose, meaning that there is something in the mechanics that inherently make it harder to forge perfect longswords?

I have attempted to make a perfect longsword out of three 12-piece batches and the best I can get is a "well-crafted" one when my dwarf warrior attempts and "exquisite" one when my DE rogue attempts. I use the surge of strength cman on the dwarf right before attempting to vise, but it doesn't seem to help.

[Mohrgan]

Thanks for the reply. A friend of mine and I mastered forging within a few days of each other. Since then, he has forged a handful of perfect weapons ranging from daggers to handaxes. I have been working exclusively on trying to forge a perfect longsword, but have had no success in doing so. My friend has tried a few times and has not succeeded in forging a perfect longsword either.

I guess I'm wondering if they (longswords) are tougher to perfect than other OHE weapons and if so, why? Is this on purpose, meaning that there is something in the mechanics that inherently make it harder to forge perfect longswords?

I have attempted to make a perfect longsword out of three 12-piece batches and the best I can get is a "well-crafted" one when my dwarf warrior attempts and "exquisite" one when my DE rogue attempts. I use the surge of strength cman on the dwarf right before attempting to vise, but it doesn't seem to help.

I've never heard anything that implies one weapon type should be harder than another.

"Well-crafted" and "exquisite" are the same, they are both another descriptor for "superior" which is what the second highest tier of forged weapons is commonly referred to as. Just so we're clear (if you already know this, sorry), you can only get a "perfect" weapon when you are using two "best pieces." You are only using the "best pieces" to try for your perfect, correct? Because otherwise you will NEVER get a perfect. The reason i bring it up is because you say you tried 3 batches of 12 pieces. Unless all those pieces, both blade and handle are "best pieces" then you wouldn't ever get a perfect. Even so, it's totally possible to go through 36 or even more VISEs of best pieces and not get a perfect. It's all statistics and probability, and it is all independent of every other attempt. You are just as unlikely to successfully create a perfect on the 40th try as the 1st. Your friend's comparative success is, assuming that you are doing everything right, with only best pieces, just a statistical variation.

All that aside, the formula for forging makes it so delightfully improbable to be successful on any given attempt, that it is not uncommon to go for periods of time which make you absolutely certain that you are losing your mind, or that the game itself is broken, without producing a perfect.

I used to try Surge of Strength too, but it doesn't do anything. STR isn't anywhere in the formula for the VISE, and I believe the calculation is done at the END of a round of forging or grinding, so at 90 seconds, Surge doesn't last long enough to effect those either.

Forging is insane. It is insanely difficult to produce perfects. This is why I quit forging.

[Wheelerm]

Thanks again for the reply. Yes, I only keep the superior component parts that I make, all less than superior pieces go in the trash. So, the three 12-part batches I worked from were saved up over weeks of forging nothing but blades for days and days, and then switching over to hilts. I've thrown away countless parts and have spend close to half-a-million silvers on just steel slabs, monir blocks, and tempering oils. The reason I'm frustrated is because I spend weeks making superior pieces in the attempt to make just one perfect weapon only to have it all rendered moot after about 15 minutes of vising.

I had incorrectly assumed that since the vising part of the process is considered "crafting," that the STR bonus would be considered, but after reading KP again a little more carefully, I see that when calculating success on the vise, the STR bonus stat is ignored, so it makes sense that surge of strength won't help (I had glossed over that little table all of the other 99 times I've read the article, it seems).

I just find it extremely odd that neither me nor my friend are able to make a perfect longsword. I have switched gears and am attempting to make a perfect handaxe. I'm still making the component parts right now, so it will be a few days before I can try to make one.

[Wheelerm]

LOL. I made five superior handaxe blades and five superior handaxe hafts. Out of those five, I had four superior handaxes and one perfect. There seems to be something up with longswords, though I don't know what it could possibly be...

Close to 50 attempts all total on the longswords and not one single perfect. 5 attempts on the handaxe and one perfect.

[Latrinsorm]

You had all that bad luck stored up and you went and wasted it on a handy.

[Wheelerm]

Hell, at this point I'm just happy to have created a perfect anything.

[kutter]

Something odd seems to be going on with me trying to make my hammer. So I am trying to make my perfect mithril hammer, I seem to be fairly consistent with getting one perfect hammer-head per every other slab, which I am actually pretty happy about, that seems to be something like 8% or so, which seems right. So here is the odd thing, I can go through 10 blocks of maoral and not get one superior handle and it seems pretty consistent. I know some materials are supposedly harder to work with than others, but maoral does not seem like it would be. Anyone else see anything like this? Can I use steel to make a handle, would it be any easier? Inquiring minds want to know.

[tyrant-201]

crafting uses different bonuses for race and profession than forging does. For some people it's easier to craft the handle, some people it's easier to forge the piece. Only thing I can think of, there's really no difference in material that I know of.

[kutter]

But making the hammer head and making the handle are both crafting, so it stands to reason the likelihood of success should be statistically the same over any halfway prolonged period, and I say definitively that they are not. I have been crafting handles for 2 hours and I have one and I got 4 heads in an hour. I realize that there is a lot we do not know, I may try to see if a steel handle is possible and what my success would be on that.

[Thondalar]

But making the hammer head and making the handle are both crafting, so it stands to reason the likelihood of success should be statistically the same over any halfway prolonged period, and I say definitively that they are not. I have been crafting handles for 2 hours and I have one and I got 4 heads in an hour. I realize that there is a lot we do not know, I may try to see if a steel handle is possible and what my success would be on that.

To this I would say that random rolls are random.

[kutter]

To this I would say that random rolls are random.

To this I would say I vehemently disagree. I realize that one day is hardly a good sample, but I have been trying to get a perfect hammer for about 14 hours now, and I have spent at least a ratio of 2 to 1 to make handles to hammer-heads. So far I have only managed about 18 vise tries, so annoying, always hoping, always disappointed. So I realize my sample is not very large, and could be anomalous, but so far have not seen any change to make me think other wise. You would think if it were the same, I would see a period of lots of handles and few heads.

[Gizmo]

To this I would say I vehemently disagree. I realize that one day is hardly a good sample, but I have been trying to get a perfect hammer for about 14 hours now, and I have spent at least a ratio of 2 to 1 to make handles to hammer-heads. So far I have only managed about 18 vise tries, so annoying, always hoping, always disappointed. So I realize my sample is not very large, and could be anomalous, but so far have not seen any change to make me think other wise. You would think if it were the same, I would see a period of lots of handles and few heads.

It's all just random, and bad luck. I made my perfect hammer after literally 10minutes of making pieces

[Latrinsorm]

To this I would say I vehemently disagree. I realize that one day is hardly a good sample, but I have been trying to get a perfect hammer for about 14 hours now, and I have spent at least a ratio of 2 to 1 to make handles to hammer-heads. So far I have only managed about 18 vise tries, so annoying, always hoping, always disappointed. So I realize my sample is not very large, and could be anomalous, but so far have not seen any change to make me think other wise. You would think if it were the same, I would see a period of lots of handles and few heads.It's entirely possible that you have seen such a period, but our brains are not reliable recording devices.

One thing we can do is see how large two samples could be and return 2 to 1 apparent success rates when the actual success rates were identically 1 in 20:

attempts = x
variance = x * (1 - .05) * (.05)
standard deviation = sqrt (variance)
95% confidence interval => 2 * standard deviation
the largest plausible apparent success rate therefore = .05 + 2 * sqrt(x*.95*.05) / x
the smallest plausible = .05 - 2 * sqrt(x*.95*.05) / x
largest / smallest = 2

.05 + 2 * sqrt(.95*.05) / sqrt(x) = .1 - 4 * sqrt(.95*.05) / sqrt(x)

collecting like terms
6 * sqrt(.95*.05) / sqrt(x) = .05
6 * sqrt(.95*.05) / .05 = sqrt(x)
x = 684

So unless you have more than 684 samples with each, it's very plausible you can see 2 to 1 without it indicating anything amiss in the underlying mechanics.

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Also you don't technically have to see the reverse period you describe (many handles, few heads) for the odds to eventually even out. If you saw exactly equal results into infinity, the finite discrepancies would have literally no impact on the overall percentage.

[kutter]

Latrin, you are way ahead of me on the math. I agree that I do not have a large enough sample to say with any certainty. All of this is very anecdotal, as I not so slowly watch the game siphon off silver at an alarming rate. I suppose it is a good thing it is not real money and I can just tell my rogue to go hunt for a couple of hours to feed my paladin forging habit.

[Stavman]

So after Many Many Hours... Countless injuries from Molten Steel burning my Toes and Hundreds of slivers... i finally mastered and created my 1st Perfect Dagger.

It took 3 days, of over 12hrs a Day, to go from 499 to 500... but Man did I Party when I hit that 500.

so started with Daggers.... Seems I am able to create 6-9 BEST Components a Day, about .75-1 per Hour Average. Took 3 days to Create my 1st, and Only, Perfect dagger.. Probably 16 Vise Try's give or take 2

Now yesterday I started Short Swords.. was able to Create 9 BEST Components... need a Few More Hilts and I will try the Vise with Those today

Now after countless Hours reading Posts and Guides online.... I am wondering if there is any Difference in Creating BEST's for a Dagger vs a Longsword??? One easier than the Other???
What about Materials.... I have just used Steel and Maoral so far... Ora.. Vultite... harder or same.. i understand RT's are Much Higher with Vultite vs Steel, but other than that any Differences???

Lorde Jerrec's Guide says there is a Difference between Items Glyphs, easy, harder, hardest to create... Ive Also read in THIS thread you need to master a weapon Glyph… get Ranks per Glyph trace??? How do ya tell That?? How do you know you MASTERED a Glygh?? and then some say there is No Difference in the Glyph's being easier or harder to create items from????????????????

After I do a perfect Short Sword I think I will try my luck at a handaxe... and test the above statements.. and Maybe try some Vultite Shord Swords as well.....

What have you all found in your Painstaking Journey in Forging????

[Whirlin]

Have you tried using some keyboard cleaner?
Your . Shift and / to be sticking.

[Sorcasaurus]

What have you all found in your Painstaking Journey in Forging????

I have found my time better spent exchanging coins for 0-4x perfects. Having a thw forger, I still would rather buy one than make one.

Have you checked Krakii? It seems to have as much information as is known about factors in forging/crafting. If enough people want to put data points to it, write or work with someone to get a script in place to track success/failure info.

[Stavman]

Ya Forging Time spent isnt for everyone for Sure

Ill try and do some Testing and report accordingly......

[Mobius1]

The chance is based on your race and luck. I'd recommend using a bard with song of luck, if possible.

Also keep in mind that racial bonus to CRAFTING is the most important, since the final step on the vise is crafting skill based.

[Stavman]

Good info... well he is a Dwarf... so that does Help..... Maybe need a bard ta Hang with me while I Forge

[Stavman]

Well been doing some testing Lately....

I was able to do Perfect Dagger and Short Swords....

So i am trying to test Bards Luck.... Now i had some good Luck.... is it luck or Bards Luck????

So Currently doing some handaxe Forging.... Doing pretty good so far at making BEST pieces..... So Ill test my LUCK with them as well....


Ill post again when i have more Solid testing complete

[Androidpk]

The more rare the material is the harder it is. Good luck trying to get a perfect forge with golvern.

[Thondalar]

The more rare the material is the harder it is. Good luck trying to get a perfect forge with golvern.

Dwarf warrior with enhancives (not maxed, but close) I made 20 attempts at a perfect golvern lance...only managed 2 superior.

[Androidpk]

Out of 10 attempts on a golvern battleaxe I got 1 superior and the rest were elegant. Giant/monk, no enhancives asides from perfect self. I think I've only seen one perfect golvern before, was a lance.

[Stavman]

Well golvern isnt readily available........ So hard ta even try it....

Wish i could..

[Stavman]

Been doin pretty well so far

Some OHE items are Tuffer... Really struggled with a Longsword, but did real Good with handaxe's... so go Figure.. Must be a Size thing more than anything I Guess..

It seems I am able to create, on average, 1 BEST per 1-1/2 hour of Forging.. so can usualy create 6 in a days work..
I have been able to get 4 out of 6 handaxe's Perfect at Vise.... and 2 out of 6 Short-swords... but then Ill get 1 outa 6 as well... Still pretty good % I think

Still Testing..... and having my perfects Enchanted...

Started traing in Two handed... but stopped... its such a pain....LOL.... may do some more training today... we'll see

[Stavman]

WOW!!

Insane how long it takes to Forge Two handers..... 22min for a greatsword... thats just the Blade....


well back at it....

[Hydra]

I completed the Voln quest that required you to toss a heavy slab of iron into the Lake near WL and got to thinking about forging. Well after reading this thread it sounds like an insane ass ache. Do people find that it will eventually be worth it, or is it just a time sink?

[Sorcasaurus]

There was a good while where it was profitable. I haven't checked recently, but the market may be saturated with perfect weapons for a cheap/reasonable price now that so many people can pump them out.

I have a thw forger, and in my experience you should just buy or pay someone for a 0-4x perfect.