Celtar the All Knowing and Avaia the Ass Kissing

[Revalos]

So, I got into it today on the official boards with the mythic beast known as Celtar/Jim/whateverthecurrentiteration.

What a rude berating asshole. And I find it interesting that rarely will someone challenge his institution since he is such a long time player.

One of my friends posts a log from part of the GSS, which I hate and generally ignore anything that has to do with it. But for some reason I read it this time. In part of the post she says:

I would give you a log but my PC died, on and off for most of the night, and I was switching between my husbands PC and mine repeatedly.

Do any of you not see what she's referring to by PC?

Anyway, this is his response:

Nice, multi accounting during a roleplaying event. Thanks for reminding me why I avoid these events.

I believe this is what you'd refer to as "slander." (especially since he quoted me the dictionary definition of "harass" when I told him to lay off.)

So after me telling him to give it a rest, he then turns on me saying that he's just stating his opinion which he is in absolute right of (except on the boards where he is flaming someone for something he didn't even take the time to read the context thouroughly.)

So then I shove in his face that PC means PERSONAL COMPUTER. Even if I hadn't known the person involved, come on, why state something stupid without actually paying attention to the context.

So then he has the audacity to say that "she should have been more clear."

...MORE CLEAR?!?! More clear so you wouldn't take it upon yourself to out of the blue call someone a MAer with no prior knowledge? Seemed clear enough to me and most other folks who actually read what was said.

That's like yelling the N word at a crowded NAACP meeting because you thought that NAACP stood for something else. Why even do it?

Then he starts on his "why's everyone always picking on me. I'm done with this" stuff and about empathy being one sided. I assume he's saying this because I called him on something and no one is backing him up.

Heh...why would people pick on someone who takes the time to post something nonsensically rude regarding something extremely trivial, not even spend the time to accurately read the post, and then start talking smack to someone who rises to her defense.

So at this point, Avaia drops in to cover the retreat.

> Amazing at how one sided the empathy and understanding is around this game anymore.

Yes, it is.

How does this add to anything...other than brownnosing Jim's eternal wisdom.

Next time just write Computer please, Charna? Thanks.

This REALLY PISSES ME OFF. She has the unbelievable fucking audacity to actually tell Charna to change what she wrote so that...no one would come out of nowhere to throw insults?

WTF is that? No telling Jim, "hey, how about toning it down next time before you're really sure what's going on."? God damn that made me mad.

Anyway, I just had to vent that in the proper forum so that I didn't lose it on the offical boards.

[Scott]

Or you could simply reply to Jim that he shouldn't talk about roleplaying when he buys his items for real cash.

[Artha]

I have no problems with Celtar. Avaia is a retard and needs to be punched in the neck.

[Revalos]

Heh, he must like that glass house of his.

I'd never had a problem with him before really, but I'd never seen something so awe-inspiringly stupid come from someone who obviously has some modicum of intelligence.

A shame really, I hate to ignore people on principle because of one idiotic thing. Heck, I still read Bob's posts occasionally.

[Bobmuhthol]

Avaia definitely needs a sledgehammer to the spine.

[Scott]

<<<I believe this is what you'd refer to as "slander." (especially since he quoted me the dictionary definition of "harass" when I told him to lay off.) >>>>

Figured I'd get to this one first before someone else did.

It's not slander. Slander is spoken, since this is written it's libel..... But still, it's not really libel since at the time he really didn't know what she/he meant.

[Revalos]

Touche. I always forget which one is which.

However, isn't it still "A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation. "

He's still damaging her reputation regardless of his coming to the wrong conclusion. It wasn't that he didn't fully understand what she said, he BELIEVED he did.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Revalos
Touche. I always forget which one is which.

However, isn't it still "A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation. "

He's still damaging her reputation regardless of his coming to the wrong conclusion. It wasn't that he didn't fully understand what she said, he BELIEVED he did.

Well I'm not going to get into the specifics. You're right, printing something that is false can be considered libel, but really.... this is just is a game, it's not libel since it's not hurting the PERSONS reputation really. Besides, anything Jim/Celtar posts it just some moron posting random shit so he can add to the post "I've been playing Gemstone longer then everyone!"

[Numbers]

I don't really mind Jim... as long as he can voice his thoughts or opinions on a matter without mentioning how looooooong he's been playing or dropping fifteen gabazillion names in a single post, such as referring to GM's by their real life first names. And, considering he does this in almost everyone of his posts, most of his thoughts are invalidated. He's also a drama queen, and pulls the "I'm leaving forever!" card every few months.

You wonder why nobody challenges him? Because they're all used to it by now.

As for Avaia, she rarely adds anything to a conversation. She's usually just in the background inserting snide remakrs here and there.

You have to give her props for being so skillful at infuriating people with just a few sentences, though.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<You have to give her props for being so skillful at infuriating people with just a few sentences, though.>>

Except she's not trying to. She's trying to be right.

She loses every time. See the PsiNet topic.

[Ravenstorm]

I read that as 'player character' until you said otherwise. She switched between them back and forth. It made just as much sense as 'personal computer'.

Raven

[Bobmuhthol]

<<I read that as 'player character' until you said otherwise.>>

I did, too. I didn't, however, think "Nice, multi accounting during a roleplaying event. Thanks for reminding me why I avoid these events."

[Fallen]

Every roleplaying experience I have had with Avaia I have enjoyed. Her input on the official Sorcerer boards is in my opinion a benefit to the forums.

Celtar/Jim can be a bit bitter, but he also will take the time to help people out with their questions on the Sorcerer boards.

Evarin

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Every roleplaying experience I have had with Avaia I have enjoyed.>>

I don't doubt that. It's the only life she has, so she should be good at it. It comes down to her being a fucking retard at everything except roleplaying.

[Edited on 7-25-2004 by Bobmuhthol]

[Nakiro]

Cock. That's about it.

[Fallen]

I don't doubt that. It's the only life she has, so she should be good at it. It comes down to her being a fucking retard at everything except roleplaying. >>

Grin

Sounds like me. No wonder we always hit it off.

[Nieninque]

I was gonna ask what else PC stood for other than personal computer until I read someone's reply.

Using player character in there doesnt make sense so I dont understand how Jim got his wires crossed and his knickers in a twist.

There are many more things to get pissed off about on the official boards rather than someone's computer dying, like how I'm not allowed to respond to Dresbarfa or Argwankstaine but they are allowed to talk about me without their posts getting pulled...yeah. Lets talk about me some more!

[Blazing247]

See my posts a few months back. In summary: Celtar and Avaia are fucking retards, and deserve an unhappy life together.

Celtar has, unfortunately, begun posting here so I'm sure we'll hear his bullshit in a day or two.

Originally posted by Artha
I have no problems with Celtar. Avaia is a retard and needs to be punched in the neck.

What he said

[Ilvane]

I would have thought PC was Player character in the way she used it, but that's just me. Her personal computer didn't even cross my mind.;)

I wonder, does anyone even care about multi-accounting anymore? I seem to see it a whole lot more than I used to, anyway.

Just curious.

-A

[Drew]

I used to see MAing a lot more than I do these days. I can go a couple of days without seeing some blatant MAing. Of course I live in Icemule and I used to live in the landing which probably has something to do with it.

[Orendis]

So then I shove in his face that PC means PERSONAL COMPUTER. Even if I hadn't known the person involved, come on, why state something stupid without actually paying attention to the context.


That's like yelling the N word at a crowded NAACP meeting because you thought that NAACP stood for something else. Why even do it?

Incorrect. "PC" stands for "PWNed, Cracker!"


Or you could simply reply to Jim that he shouldn't talk about roleplaying when he buys his items for real cash.

Ah, but he could 'conceivably' have found several million silvers in the body of a dead prostitute and mysteriously found an auction house containing exactly what he was looking for. Because that's not metagaming at all, unless it's organized through IMs.

Okay, I've gotten my pot-shots in. Want to know what I really think? Of course not, because I'm an elitist attentionstitute with delusions of relevance and grandeur.

Nonetheless, I think that Jim and Avaia do get a lot of flack. I'm not entirely sure that they realize the reason for this is because both of them are abrasive and downright rude in debates, immediately resorting to highbrow variations of "Yeah, you suck, and your opinions are invalid because you suck" when challenged on issues.

Dealing with people like that has really made me reanalyze my own attitude when posting. I'd like to think that, abrasive though I may occasionally get, I'm never rude outright to people who haven't warranted it.

Except the Left Hand of Death, our very own Naessi.

--C.

[SpunGirl]

:heart: Tierus and kick his ass at the same time. Also, what he said.

-K

[Revalos]

It is interesting to me how easy it is for some to see PC as Player Character even with the context of the statement. Perhaps it is just the way some people read.

I can forgive Jim for coming to the wrong conclusion, but I cannot for starting the entire affair in the first place.

Anyway, thanks for all the responses, it has helped me cool down a great deal.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Revalos
It is interesting to me how easy it is for some to see PC as Player Character even with the context of the statement. Perhaps it is just the way some people read.

I can forgive Jim for coming to the wrong conclusion, but I cannot for starting the entire affair in the first place.

Anyway, thanks for all the responses, it has helped me cool down a great deal.

I agree, Revalos. The context of the sentence made it clear to me that she was talking about switching between computers.

Jim has always been one to leap to conclusions and run with them. It has gotten him in a mess more times than once. He's bitter, yes. However, I wish he would learn to better control how he expresses himself. He can be a helluva nice guy.

HarmNone

[SpunGirl]

People come to wrong conclusions all the time ::chuckle::

I agree though, Revalos, it is irritating. Even worse is his failure to recognize his poor judgement in the matter and apologize, instead of trying to blame Charna for what *he* misunderstood.

In another thread, he posted something along the lines of, "Oh, Avaia, thanks for those posts over in the GSS folder." I guess that's what that was about.... more inane high-fiving of those two between posts.

Gag me a million times.

-K

[StrayRogue]

She is a dumbass. Check out the IM thread in the Roleplay section of the officials. Total fool.

[CrystalTears]

So instead of asking if she could clarify whether she meant Player Character or Personal Computer, he just assumed the bad one? Typical.

I can see how it can be construed as either, but really, is it so necessary to assume the worst of people all the time and call them as something they're not? Complain more about Icky who will IM people who are involved in quests to find out if any key people are in the game so that she can conveniently show up. Let's not bash the people who actually roleplay consistently and fairly.

Yeah it could be considered libel. Sure it's a game, but Charna's player has taken a great deal of time to develop this character, so to say on the boards that she's an MAer could be harmful to her roleplaying if people use that against her.

I really don't see what he was gaining posting that. I keep on hearing what a great guy he is, but his board persona sure doesn't portray that sometimes.

[HouseofElves]

Hrmm, let me think--oh yes, Revalos had it completely on target with that first post and I think he is my new favorite person.

BTW I <3 the title of this thread, it suits to a "T"

[Ilvane]

I think sometimes people get way too sensitive..it was not a big deal.

I could totally see where Jim thought that could be multi-accounting..and since it was a misunderstanding..it really shouldn't be made into a big federal case.

Everyone knows Charna is a good roleplayer, and I doubt people really thought she was multi-accounting too. Even if they did, who cares, especially if you aren't doing it..it's not important to her roleplaying at all.

:shrug:

Maybe I just can't see the big issue.

-A

[Skirmisher]

Well, to me the issue is why he needs to go sound the air raid alarm quite so quickly and go bashing others yet seem to take such umbrage when he is the one who is confronted.

Many people who have met him at Cons have made points of what a great guy he is so clearly he has some very nice qualities, lets just get them transposed to his posting style and we'll be A-OK. :yes:

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'd rather read Celtar's bitches 10 hours a day, than Tieras's (however it is spelled) novels on his dreams for 10 minutes.

That aside, I really don't think Jim posts how long he's been around very much. I think he USED to, and now people jump in with that particular comment because that is the only easy thing to pick out about him.

And linking buying items for cash to roleplay? I don't see the connection. I can roleplay my uncle died and gave me the uber sword of doom. You just can't accept the fact that I am willing to do things you aren't, to get an item you want. I would question YOUR roleplay if you cannot accept that. (and no, never paid or sold items for money, with the exception of selling silvers for Edaarin once)

[Revalos]

Ilvane,

The big issue was that not only did he not apologize for being incredibly rude to the person, but instead he (and Avaia) told her to change what she types to avoid being lambasted on a trivial issue since that's obviously her fault.

[Mistomeer]

Celtar/Jim is a fucktard.

[Blushy]

I just hate the way Jim is always so ready to jump down people's throats and complain about the "state of roleplay" and how it used to be so much better back in the day. He makes such de-fucking-risive blanket statements and implies that anyone who hasn't been playing since the ICE age is obviously an inferior being who wouldn't know roleplay if it exploded at their feet.

If he's been around so long and so much, and he knows so much about the state of roleplaying, you'd think he'd know that Charna is an excellently played character and only ever adds to the events in which she is inovlved. But, no, Jim just hangs around with his old-guard buddies, alternately high-fiving and bitching.

* Deep breath *

Avaia, at least, I have enjoyed interacting with in the game. Defending Jim in this case was a little uncalled for, though.

[Scott]

<<<<And linking buying items for cash to roleplay? I don't see the connection. I can roleplay my uncle died and gave me the uber sword of doom. You just can't accept the fact that I am willing to do things you aren't, to get an item you want. I would question YOUR roleplay if you cannot accept that. (and no, never paid or sold items for money, with the exception of selling silvers for Edaarin once)>>>>

I don't have a problem with people buying characters, items, or coin. However Jim likes to comment on other people's MAing, bought characters, and more. However he buys items for real cash, that completely negates anything he says about such things mentioned above. He can't accept bought characters. Hey, I can roleplay that I got hit in the head with a chair in a bar brawl and lost my memory of everything prior, but that doesn't matter to Jim. No, someone who buys items shouldn't be ripping on people for MAing and buying characters. Buying characters and buying items is the same thing. In both instances, the person didn't earn their character/item. Is that a problem? Not to me, but if I bought items, I wouldn't be commenting and ripping apart people who buy characters.

If you want to buy characters and items, whatever, it's your money do what you want. However if you're going to buy items for cash, you need to keep quiet about other people buying characters and MAing.

[Brimz]

FYI

Both Avaia and Celtar are wusses...

Neither of them has the balls to mess with older people...

and they are such ass kickers...

I'm still waiting for Avaia to kill me, like she told everyone that was in room with the shan baby I think it was..


I slaughtered it... and left..

someone else later that night slaughtered one and Avaia killed him for it... and she says she will kill me when she see's me..

I'm still waiting for her to try so I can hand her, her ass on a silver platter...


and Yes I totally hate both Celtar and Avaia both of them are whining bastards... I have nothing against them but they take it one step too far... a better word would be disturbing really...

my 2 cents..

[StrayRogue]

Yeah, they both try and act like fucking God-like RPers, saying how it should be this way and that way, or in Celtar's case, how it used to be. They need to get their heads' out their asses and take a look at how Gemstone is, was and always will be. If you want that kind of pure RP, fuck off to a pure RP game.

[Sylvan Dreams]

Originally posted by Revalos
What a rude berating asshole. And I find it interesting that rarely will someone challenge his institution since he is such a long time player.

Actually, I would think that given his reputation of being a "rude berating asshole" that that would be more of a factor in whether or not someone tries to challenge his position than how long he's been playing the game.

[Ilvane]

Jim has not been rude to me, ever. So I am basing my opinions on how he is with me. He was also very nice when I met him in person.

I am not defending his actions, but I can see where he could have thought PC was player character.

I also like Charna a lot too, so I would never say something bad about her either.

I just think you all shouldn't make such a big deal out of it.

-A

[Betheny]

Charna is a p erson that gained out of character knowledge about a (fake) event going on in South Haven, so she ran around looking for the entrance -- with her real life husband's character in tow.

But, you know, some people play different degrees of a game... What will be will be... if you do n't like it, just don't do it and don't associate with those that do it.

~beth, mellowed out.

[Orendis]

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
I'd rather read Celtar's bitches 10 hours a day, than Tieras's (however it is spelled) novels on his dreams for 10 minutes.

It's pronounced "Tier-ass," mister.

--C.

[Edited on 7/25/2004 by Orendis]

Originally posted by Brimz
FYI

Both Avaia and Celtar are wusses...

Neither of them has the balls to mess with older people...

and they are such ass kickers...

I'm still waiting for Avaia to kill me, like she told everyone that was in room with the shan baby I think it was..


I slaughtered it... and left..

someone else later that night slaughtered one and Avaia killed him for it... and she says she will kill me when she see's me..

I'm still waiting for her to try so I can hand her, her ass on a silver platter...


and Yes I totally hate both Celtar and Avaia both of them are whining bastards... I have nothing against them but they take it one step too far... a better word would be disturbing really...

my 2 cents..

Yea, I killed the other one and she made a complete ass of herself in game and on the boards.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Maimara
Charna is a p erson that gained out of character knowledge about a (fake) event going on in South Haven, so she ran around looking for the entrance -- with her real life husband's character in tow.

~beth, mellowed out.

I find it ironic that you'd make mention of that given the fact that some of the major Haven Mularos people do the exact same thing. After I dropped Angelrise in Shan, next thing I know, she's IM'ing me whining about how it's not fair to kill her when she's not in town. Then Wulfhen, who wasn't even in Haven when I killed Angelrise, is attacking me in Illistim, even though I never met him IG. So yeah, alot of those people are pretty good at doing the exact same thing.

[Edited on 7-25-2004 by Mistomeer]

[SpunGirl]

What irks me is that Celtar seems to think it's no big deal to "roleplay" going into a non-existant "auction house" (read: Crystalamulet.com) to buy items for sale, to "roleplay" that he got millions of silver (also bought with real money) but will blast other people day and night for using IMs to arrange a rescue shoud it become necessary or even convenient.

And Avaia is of course, kissing his ass every step of the way.

-K

[SpunGirl]

Originally posted by Mistomeer
And didn't you, Beth, used to use alot of Out of Game resources to find out about events IG? (Don't take that as an accusation, I meant it as a serious question)

This is the first time I've ever heard Beth's roleplay as Maimara called into question over GSS events. Over anything, actually. And I hear lots of shit.

-K

[Mistomeer]

u2u

[Edited on 7-25-2004 by Mistomeer]

[SpunGirl]

I do realize your question was directed at Beth, however, if you didn't want other people to reply you should have asked her in IMs or u2u.

-K

[Mistomeer]

Good idea. edited the post.

[Artha]

Then Wulfhen, who wasn't even in Haven when I killed Angelrise, is attacking me in Illistim, even though I never met him IG.

And it's completely unfathomable that those two met in game, and Angelrise told him about you, described you, and told him that you might decide to kill him as well, so he decided to get you first?

[Betheny]

I purposely keep Maimara away from events I know of out of character wise. Unless somone approaches her in game, I stay away.

Oh... and "Those Mularosian people" is a really shitty generalization, because if you know Maimara, you know she isn't 'one of those Mularosian people'. I love the generalizations.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Artha

Then Wulfhen, who wasn't even in Haven when I killed Angelrise, is attacking me in Illistim, even though I never met him IG.

And it's completely unfathomable that those two met in game, and Angelrise told him about you, described you, and told him that you might decide to kill him as well, so he decided to get you first?

Well, when I left for Illistim, Angelrise was dead in Shan. I left there, and went straight to Illistim, as soon as I get there, Wulfhen symbol of sighted me. So yeah, from an IG point of view, it was impossible.

From a policy point of view, no matter what the IG reasoning, it's against policy. If that kind of thing wasn't against policy, you could just login other characters to destroy your enemies without consequence, and say, "Well, I was told about what you did."

[Caramia]

Originally posted by Gemstone101
Or you could simply reply to Jim that he shouldn't talk about roleplaying when he buys his items for real cash.

Or went demonic like 10 times on purpose, often with nice, pricey equipment he BORROWED from friends, and never apologized for losing, or repaid them.

[SpunGirl]

Going demonic when you're mad at the game is such a great roleplay choice, Cara, wtf are you talking about? I mean geez.

-K

[Tsa`ah]

I personally, and I sure it holds true with most, don't care how long the ass clown has been playing.

The problem with him is he wants it his way. He seems to think his subscription payment is more valuable to Simu than anyone else's. Sorry, but 40 bucks from a burger flipper is worth the same coming from whatever the fuck he is.

He has always made snide comments and accusation on the official boards and only submits a half hearted apology when some of the better known players step in and call him on it. Never is the apology aimed at the player he insulted, but at the better known person that he ruffled with his idiotic blathering.

He's a waste. I think it is all fine and dandy that he treats the people he likes respectably, even those he views as holding some clout, but to me that's just a mask. He uses a double standard, and then changes that standard to always put himself in the right, in his mind anyway.

He RPs when it suites him and damned you if you don't believe he found a fricking million silver on some old hag and stumbled into a magical auction house.

The guy needs to shut up and leave people alone or just fucking quit for real and not for sympathy.

[Parkbandit]

When having a discussion about a roleplaying game.. most people who have been playing for a while will automatically denote "PC" to equal Player Character. I did when I read the initial post.. and assumed as Celtar did.

I don't read the message boards.. so I don't really know Avaia or Charna much. Most of the "great" roleplayers I have experienced have not done well in a 'conflict' type of environment. They are more at home with the roleplaying opportunities that are given to them by GMs.

[Fallen]

I don't read the message boards.. so I don't really know Avaia or Charna much. Most of the "great" roleplayers I have experienced have not done well in a 'conflict' type of environment. They are more at home with the roleplaying opportunities that are given to them by GMs. >>

Avaia, in my opinion, is heavily involved in player driven storylines.