Are Lotteries a Bad Tax?

[ClydeR]

NASHVILLE (BP) -- As two winners of the $588 million Powerball jackpot prepare to split the winnings, new discussion is emerging of President Obama's views of the lottery as a "troublesome" form of "regressive taxation" harmful to the poor.

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Obama is getting praise from an unexpected source for his opposition to lotteries as a source of revenue for states. Baptists are praising Obama for the position he took 12 years ago when he was an Illinois state senator.

I oppose lotteries because they are gambling. I disagree with Obama that they are a form of tax because nobody is forcing people to buy lottery tickets.

[Gelston]

No one forces you to buy any luxury items, but there are taxes on it.

[Methais]

Obama doesn't like lotteries because out of 48209478204820 poor people, one of them will get rich.

[Latrinsorm]

Obama doesn't like lotteries because out of 48209478204820 poor people, one of them will get rich.Then he'd have another person to tax, everyone knows Obama can't get an erection unless he's levying a slightly larger tax against the rich.

[Jarvan]

Lotteries, I feel are a tax on the poor really. People play the lottery in the hopes to strike it rich. Since most taxes use at least half of the revenue for their budgets, it could be construed as a tax in a sense. Since I feel that steady lottery players tend to be the less wealthy people, it's basically a poor tax.

Frankly, I am surprised the fed hasn't gotten on the band wagon and do a national lottery or raffle.

[Suppressed Poet]

I can't determine whether I find it fitting or a hypocrisy that the Texas Lottery's revenue supports the public school system... I personaly find playing the lottery to be pretty stupid.

[Delias]

Lotteries, I feel are a tax on the poor really. People play the lottery in the hopes to strike it rich. Since most taxes use at least half of the revenue for their budgets, it could be construed as a tax in a sense. Since I feel that steady lottery players tend to be the less wealthy people, it's basically a poor tax.

Frankly, I am surprised the fed hasn't gotten on the band wagon and do a national lottery or raffle.

We're saving this for the eventual food riots.

[Jarvan]

I can't determine whether I find it fitting or a hypocrisy that the Texas Lottery's revenue supports the public school system... I personaly find playing the lottery to be pretty stupid.

I admit, I buy a ticket when it hits like 200 mill, I figure what the heck, may as well. Not as bad as going to a casino. But that's about it.

[Valthissa]

I admit, I buy a ticket when it hits like 200 mill, I figure what the heck, may as well. Not as bad as going to a casino. But that's about it.

Not exactly.

If you play the pass line at craps and have something like 30 times the units you're betting you'll get back 98% of your money.

Memorize basic strategy at blackjack and you'll get back 96% of your money (again, with about 30 times the units you're betting).

No lottery approaches those odds. Lotteries are a tax - a tax on stupid.

C

[Kastrel]

If the people who buy lottery tickets are a generally poor demographic (probably are, but I have no evidence so lets just assume for the sake of the argument) they aren't being taxed unless they win. They ARE purchasing an item which is taxed and goes towards government funds, but its a 100% optional purchase.

Just because poor people buy it to get rich doesn't mean its their obligation, and while it may be taking advantage of hopes and dreams . . . its up to the individual to make the rational decision about whether its worth it or not, and to live with that decision. I don't see any reason to oppose the lottery.

[taylormc]

I guess, a lot of you know that the federals get a huge cut of lottery jackpots, but the rest of the lottery revenue flows to the states. However, how much and what it goes to varies, depending on the area. A cash advance (www.google.com) will help you pay for your lottery ticket.

[Methais]

I don't know about you, but I get a $2 cash advance twice a week for my Powerball ticket.

http://www.seo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/two-dollars-tip.jpg

[Tgo01]

I once got a cash advance for a gumball I wanted. The interest and broken leg was worth it.

[Bobmuhthol]

All of the people who made an argument along the lines of "but how can it be a tax if you choose it??" need to stop.

[Jarvan]

If the people who buy lottery tickets are a generally poor demographic (probably are, but I have no evidence so lets just assume for the sake of the argument) they aren't being taxed unless they win. They ARE purchasing an item which is taxed and goes towards government funds, but its a 100% optional purchase.

Just because poor people buy it to get rich doesn't mean its their obligation, and while it may be taking advantage of hopes and dreams . . . its up to the individual to make the rational decision about whether its worth it or not, and to live with that decision. I don't see any reason to oppose the lottery.

There is a specific tax on cigarettes. The person chooses to buy the item, they are not forced to, it's an optional purchase. You could claim that they are receiving a good in return, so it's different. Yet when you buy a lotto ticket, you are also receiving a good in return. The ticket. It just so happens that the ticket has a chance to give you more money, while the cig has a chance to give you cancer, fun!

I don't oppose the lotto myself. I think people should have the choice, just like cigarettes, but since it's not like these are raffles held by the church where the proceeds go for a new roof or something, these are held by the state specifically to raise revenue. Some states use a majority of the revenue for just one thing. PA for example states in it's law that at least 40% must go towards prizes, and 27% to help the elderly in PA. Though, considering it's almost entirely likely that without the lotto, they would still have to help the elderly, it's just added funds to the entire budget. After all, if say 1 billion is gained towards helping them, that's 1 bill less in other revenue they need to spend.

[Kuyuk]

If states didnt have the revenue from the lottery, how would they regain said revenue?

Increase/add a new forced tax, instead of letting people voluntarily pay for it..

[Atlanteax]

As Kuyuk just suggested, lotteries are essentially the only voluntary tax there is... so why tamper with it?

[Latrinsorm]

If states didnt have the revenue from the lottery, how would they regain said revenue?

Increase/add a new forced tax, instead of letting people voluntarily pay for it..That would be compelling if you thought people bought lottery tickets for the express purpose of funding the government.

[Jarvan]

That would be compelling if you thought people bought lottery tickets for the express purpose of funding the government.

or if it was really the only tax like that.

[Kuyuk]

People are aware that purchasing the lottery ticket has specific value; i.e. the dream of being rich; they also acknowledge the fact there will be taxes.

[Suppressed Poet]

I admit, I buy a ticket when it hits like 200 mill, I figure what the heck, may as well. Not as bad as going to a casino. But that's about it.

Nothing really wrong with this. It is fun to dream, as long as you are ok with the fact that you are basically taking cash out of your wallet and lighting it on fire. You have just about the same chance of waking up in the morning and shitting a gold nugget as you do winning the poweball.

More often than not, winning the lottery is actually more of a curse than a blessing. The people that win are likely incapable of the financial responsibility of that large sum of money. That, and winning puts you on the top of the target list for organized crime.

[Suppressed Poet]

There is a specific tax on cigarettes. The person chooses to buy the item, they are not forced to, it's an optional purchase. You could claim that they are receiving a good in return, so it's different. Yet when you buy a lotto ticket, you are also receiving a good in return. The ticket. It just so happens that the ticket has a chance to give you more money, while the cig has a chance to give you cancer, fun!

I don't oppose the lotto myself. I think people should have the choice, just like cigarettes, but since it's not like these are raffles held by the church where the proceeds go for a new roof or something, these are held by the state specifically to raise revenue. Some states use a majority of the revenue for just one thing. PA for example states in it's law that at least 40% must go towards prizes, and 27% to help the elderly in PA. Though, considering it's almost entirely likely that without the lotto, they would still have to help the elderly, it's just added funds to the entire budget. After all, if say 1 billion is gained towards helping them, that's 1 bill less in other revenue they need to spend.

I started smoking again and this is a reminder of how stupid I really am. Fuck that mofo rebellious kid (myself) in high school that did the wrong things to try and be cool. Fuck me now for being a weak-willed addict wasting my money and sucking cancer's dick...

[Jarvan]

Any taxes on specific items are voluntary taxes. Cigarettes, booze, heck even gas. You don't HAVE to buy them.

Like I said, I don't have a problem with the lotto. Directly.

One problem tho, just like booze, drugs, or cigs.. it's addictive as hell. My dad used to spend 20 bucks a day on his "daily" numbers, and another 20 a day on rub offs. He lived off a SSD check. I've seen people in gas stations buying hundreds of dollars of tickets at a time. No other tax really has the ability to utterly wipe out your funds with not only nothing to show for it, but also the ability to make you want to just try twice as hard when you get more money.

Anyway, I do think it should be up to the individual to decide if they want to play or not, but to think it's not really mainly a tax on the poor (after all, how many rich people buy lotto tickets with the dream of getting rich) is just wrong.

[Jarvan]

Nothing really wrong with this. It is fun to dream, as long as you are ok with the fact that you are basically taking cash out of your wallet and lighting it on fire. You have just about the same chance of waking up in the morning and shitting a gold nugget as you do winning the poweball.

More often than not, winning the lottery is actually more of a curse than a blessing. The people that win are likely incapable of the financial responsibility of that large sum of money. That, and winning puts you on the top of the target list for organized crime.

Oh, I know I am pissing the 2 bucks away. But it's 2 Bucks. I just wont rent a movie at redbox that week.

[Bobmuhthol]

There's no such thing as a voluntary tax so throw that language out the fucking window.

[AndrewSquared]

Which you can avoid by not participating in the purchase...

[AndrewSquared]

I've seen people in gas stations buying hundreds of dollars of tickets at a time.

And probably with an EBT card (which is an entirely separate discussion).

[Jarvan]

And probably with an EBT card (which is an entirely separate discussion).

Well, at least that can't be done where I live, can't even use a CC. Can use a debit card, but no EBT.

[Methais]

There's no such thing as a voluntary tax so throw that language out the fucking window.

Sure there is, at least to people who don't insist on splitting hairs on every little semantic thing there is all the time.

You're choosing to purchase the item and are fully aware that a percentage of that goes toward tax. You don't have to buy the item, but you do so voluntarily. It may not be the reason for the purchase, but the purchase, and the taxes that come with said purchase, are voluntary.

It's indirectly a voluntary tax.

[Whirlin]

Honestly, I view nothing wrong with lotteries as they are currently run. Odds are required to be printed, and there's a lot more documentation readily available about odds. One could argue there is an education problem in America, however, the transaction for lottery tickets is a simple cost-benefit analysis for the purchaser, like all purchases.

At the same time though, I would ask why the government has established a near ironclad monopoly on this form of legalized gambling.

[Methais]

At the same time though, I would ask why the government has established a near ironclad monopoly on this form of legalized gambling.

I'm sure it's for our own good. Government knows best.

[Latrinsorm]

Nothing really wrong with this. It is fun to dream, as long as you are ok with the fact that you are basically taking cash out of your wallet and lighting it on fire. You have just about the same chance of waking up in the morning and shitting a gold nugget as you do winning the poweball.

More often than not, winning the lottery is actually more of a curse than a blessing. The people that win are likely incapable of the financial responsibility of that large sum of money. That, and winning puts you on the top of the target list for organized crime.I can't tell you how many times I get all excited after pooping out a pyrite nugget. A fool, I am a fool!

[Tgo01]

All I got out of this thread is Latrin needs more fiber in his diet.

[Kuyuk]

One problem tho, just like booze, drugs, or cigs.. it's addictive as hell. My dad used to spend 20 bucks a day on his "daily" numbers, and another 20 a day on rub offs. He lived off a SSD check. I've seen people in gas stations buying hundreds of dollars of tickets at a time. No other tax really has the ability to utterly wipe out your funds with not only nothing to show for it, but also the ability to make you want to just try twice as hard when you get more money.

Anyway, I do think it should be up to the individual to decide if they want to play or not, but to think it's not really mainly a tax on the poor (after all, how many rich people buy lotto tickets with the dream of getting rich) is just wrong.

The taxes we collect from the lotto pay for the gambling help line your dad should have called years ago..?

[Ardwen]

Seems a lot like lotteries are a tax on the stupid, an awful lot of winners wind up in worse shape then before they won millions. Sort of like NFL players

[Bobmuhthol]

Sure there is, at least to people who don't insist on splitting hairs on every little semantic thing there is all the time.

You're choosing to purchase the item and are fully aware that a percentage of that goes toward tax. You don't have to buy the item, but you do so voluntarily. It may not be the reason for the purchase, but the purchase, and the taxes that come with said purchase, are voluntary.

It's indirectly a voluntary tax. That's fine if you agree that every single tax is voluntary. Otherwise, your argument sucks out loud.

[Stanley Burrell]

Lotteries are the most diabolical, twisted, awful, stupid, ingenious moneymakers to date. The system is already in place, there's not going to be a lottery coup. But, I'm going to go out on a limb here, like four limbs, 206 bones and my left nut. And maybe my dick. And a space elevator, but since it's going to be 12/12/12 and that doesn't mean shit to me, I believe the lottery will be kept static with the exception that it will resemble "The Lottery" and people shall be stoned to death accordingly. So yes, I will or will not include my pecker in such a postulate, because it'll get mixed up with my limbs and bones and bridge construction/space elevators in ways I don't understand. Because I don't know if I'm into/ready for that kind of thing.

Now, let me make another belated response to a thread. It's all for nothing if you don't have freedom.

[Jarvan]

Don't you mean 12/21/12?

[Stanley Burrell]

Don't you mean 12/21/12?

Probably.

[Methais]

That's fine if you agree that every single tax is voluntary. Otherwise, your argument sucks out loud.

No, not really. However, I'm not going to waste 50 pages of you dancing around semantics and insisting that you're always right and that everybody else is a fucking idiot.

So let's just agree that you're correct inside of your bubble, and for people outside of that bubble, it's business as usual.

[Parkbandit]

No, not really. However, I'm not going to waste 50 pages of you dancing around semantics and insisting that you're always right and that everybody else is a fucking idiot.

So let's just agree that you're correct inside of your bubble, and for people outside of that bubble, it's business as usual.

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[diethx]

No, not really. However, I'm not going to waste 50 pages of you dancing around semantics and insisting that you're always right and that everybody else is a fucking idiot.

So let's just agree that you're correct inside of your bubble, and for people outside of that bubble, it's business as usual.

There's the Methais I know and love. Where have you been?! <3

[Back]

No, not really. However, I'm not going to waste 50 pages of you dancing around semantics and insisting that you're always right and that everybody else is a fucking idiot.

So let's just agree that you're correct inside of your bubble, and for people outside of that bubble, it's business as usual.

When I first read this I thought you were talking about PB.

[Parkbandit]

When I first read this I thought you were talking about PB.

Following a thread even when you quote someone: Very difficult for Backlash.

Picking boogers and picking up skanks by dumpsters: Very easy for Backlash

[Bobmuhthol]

No, not really. However, I'm not going to waste 50 pages of you dancing around semantics and insisting that you're always right and that everybody else is a fucking idiot.

So let's just agree that you're correct inside of your bubble, and for people outside of that bubble, it's business as usual.Everything you buy that is taxed is your choice. All taxes are therefore voluntary. This isn't semantics. You're just randomly assigning weird labels to lotteries with absolutely no justification.

[Jarvan]

Everything you buy that is taxed is your choice. All taxes are therefore voluntary. This isn't semantics. You're just randomly assigning weird labels to lotteries with absolutely no justification.

I bolded the part that is wrong.

Your first statement is true. You can avoid paying those taxes by not buying the items. But you can not avoid all taxes. Technically speaking, now thanks to Obamacare, you certainly can't. Now your taxed for not buying something. Even if you are a homeless person with no job, and no address so not even the city could find you and tax you, you are required to have healthcare and by not having it, you will be taxed. Buying healthcare would be purchasing something that is likely taxed as well. Therefor either end is taxed.

But that's in the future.

I guess you could claim all taxes are voluntary if your response to being taxed was to commit suicide, since that is the only way to truly avoid all taxes.

Also, I am not sure the IRS will allow me to not pay taxes using the "Bobmuhthol said it was voluntary" defense.

[Methais]

I guess you could claim all taxes are voluntary if your response to being taxed was to commit suicide, since that is the only way to truly avoid all taxes.

Incorrect.

You could also become General Electric.

[Bobmuhthol]

I bolded the part that is wrong.

Your first statement is true. You can avoid paying those taxes by not buying the items. But you can not avoid all taxes. Technically speaking, now thanks to Obamacare, you certainly can't. Now your taxed for not buying something. Even if you are a homeless person with no job, and no address so not even the city could find you and tax you, you are required to have healthcare and by not having it, you will be taxed. Buying healthcare would be purchasing something that is likely taxed as well. Therefor either end is taxed.

But that's in the future.

I guess you could claim all taxes are voluntary if your response to being taxed was to commit suicide, since that is the only way to truly avoid all taxes.

Also, I am not sure the IRS will allow me to not pay taxes using the "Bobmuhthol said it was voluntary" defense.You can't selectively say some taxes are voluntary and others aren't because they're all the same. I'm pretty sure the penalty for not having health insurance is a loss of tax protection, not an additional tax. To address your clever commentary about what I said:
There's no such thing as a voluntary tax so throw that language out the fucking window.

[Methais]

Some taxes you go to jail for if you don't pay.

Others you pay by voluntarily doing something, like buying a lottery ticket.

I'd even go so far in today's welfare society as to say that income tax is a voluntary tax because you don't actually have to go to work. You can sit home and collect tax free Obama checks.

This thread fucking sucks by the way.

[Back]

Some taxes you go to jail for if you don't pay.

Others you pay by voluntarily doing something, like buying a lottery ticket.

I'd even go so far in today's welfare society as to say that income tax is a voluntary tax because you don't actually have to go to work. You can sit home and collect tax free Obama checks.

This thread fucking sucks by the way.

If you are so mad at welfare why aren't you upset with super rich loopholes and corporate subsidies?

[Warriorbird]

If you are so mad at welfare why aren't you upset with super rich loopholes and corporate subsidies?

Because hating poor people makes him feel better about himself and he worships the rich. He aspires to also fuck everybody over and not give any of his money away.

[Tgo01]

If you are so mad at welfare why aren't you upset with super rich loopholes and corporate subsidies?

I'm going to start using this logic from now on, just assume that because someone hates A that means they can't possibly also hate B.

"If you hate muggers so much why aren't you upset with murderers?"

[Methais]

If you are so mad at welfare why aren't you upset with super rich loopholes and corporate subsidies?

How mad are you over Obama letting GE pay 0 taxes?



Because hating poor people makes him feel better about himself and he worships the rich. He aspires to also fuck everybody over and not give any of his money away.

I am "poor" people. I just happen to still go out and hold down a job and pay taxes instead of sitting on my ass all day complaining about how it's everybody else's fault and that people owe me something that I didn't earn.

[Back]

How mad are you over Obama letting GE pay 0 taxes?

Since when did the POTUS have tax vetoing power? I refute that claim, sir!



I am "poor" people. I just happen to still go out and hold down a job and pay taxes instead of sitting on my ass all day complaining about how it's everybody else's fault and that people owe me something that I didn't earn.

Since when is being on welfare something someone aspired to? How high on the hog can someone possibly live on welfare? You don't see them rolling up in Mercedes at the club buying Grey Goose for the table.

As Americans we tend to stick together and help each other out who may be less fortunate. I thought that was an American value.

[Methais]

Since when is being on welfare something someone aspired to? How high on the hog can someone possibly live on welfare? You don't see them rolling up in Mercedes at the club buying Grey Goose for the table.

As Americans we tend to stick together and help each other out who may be less fortunate. I thought that was an American value.


http://i.qkme.me/353nlh.jpg

[Tgo01]

Be honest Methais, are you really not sure about that?

[Back]

PIC

Way to pull a PB. If you are losing an argument call the other guy an idiot and post a big ass pic.

[Jarvan]

Since when did the POTUS have tax vetoing power? I refute that claim, sir!




Since when is being on welfare something someone aspired to? How high on the hog can someone possibly live on welfare? You don't see them rolling up in Mercedes at the club buying Grey Goose for the table.

As Americans we tend to stick together and help each other out who may be less fortunate. I thought that was an American value.


Since when has Grey Goose been living high on the Hog?

[Methais]

Way to pull a PB. If you are losing an argument call the other guy an idiot and post a big ass pic.

I didn't call you an idiot. Your post was just so ridiculous that I really wasn't sure if you we're being serious or stupid.

CAN'T YOU READ?!?!? GOSH!!!!!1

Btw I wasn't aware I was losing any argument. Just cause you and WB show up and start circle jerking liberal stupidity doesn't mean anything more than you were both circle jerking liberal stupidity.

[Back]

Since when has Grey Goose been living high on the Hog?

Since I can pay $3 for a bottle of rubbing alcohol instead of $30?

[Back]

I didn't call you an idiot. Your post was just so ridiculous that I really wasn't sure if you we're being serious or stupid.

CAN'T YOU READ?!?!? GOSH!!!!!1

Btw I wasn't aware I was losing any argument. Just cause you and WB show up and start circle jerking liberal stupidity doesn't mean anything more than you were both circle jerking liberal stupidity.

When you do not bother to point out the incongruity of my argument and instead post a pic that is basically saying I am stupid is you are either losing or have lost the argument.

What is liberal stupidity to you? Because all I am using is common sense.

[Warriorbird]

I didn't call you an idiot. Your post was just so ridiculous that I really wasn't sure if you we're being serious or stupid.

CAN'T YOU READ?!?!? GOSH!!!!!1

Btw I wasn't aware I was losing any argument. Just cause you and WB show up and start circle jerking liberal stupidity doesn't mean anything more than you were both circle jerking liberal stupidity.

When you're seriously engaging in the discussion you are, you are. While you might fantasize about numerous dudes, I'm not into Tucker Carlson the way you are.

[Methais]

What about Pabst Blue Ribbon? Rich people drink that. Like Dennis Hopper.


http://youtu.be/snhiofL2Rh4

[Back]

What about Pabst Blue Ribbon? Rich people drink that. Like Dennis Hopper.

FUCK IT! LETS FUCK! I'LL FUCK ANYTHING THAT MOVES!

[Methais]

When you're seriously engaging in the discussion you are, you are. While you might fantasize about numerous dudes, I'm not into Tucker Carlson the way you are.

I know. Fantasizing about Rachel Maddow violating you with her secret cock implant must be much more fun.

This is more fun than the rest of the thread.

Vaginatooth.

[4a6c1]

Lesbians are intrinsically funny because they eat muffin all the time. You don't have to imply they have secret cocks to make them funnier. EATING MUFFIN IS FUNNY ENOUGH.

[Methais]

Lesbians are intrinsically funny because they eat muffin all the time. You don't have to imply they have secret cocks to make them funnier. EATING MUFFIN IS FUNNY ENOUGH.

Is it blueberry muffin? And what about vaginateeth?

[4a6c1]

I will do that research for you. We need answers to those important questions.

[Stanley Burrell]

Yo, fuck Grey Goose, I'm sorry Back, but fuck Grey Goose. Not super fuck it, because it can still get you drunk. But fuck Grey Goose.

I'm'a go hit the liquor store for a wine cooler.

...

Sometimes, I don't even know if I'm serious. Shit.

[Suppressed Poet]

Since when is being on welfare something someone aspired to? How high on the hog can someone possibly live on welfare? You don't see them rolling up in Mercedes at the club buying Grey Goose for the table.

As Americans we tend to stick together and help each other out who may be less fortunate. I thought that was an American value.

I found this interesting and thought I would comment.

I grew up in a proud family. I was born into upper middle class, but my parents lost most of their assets when the housing bubble crashed in Texas in the late 80s. They very well could of filed for bankruptcy, but instead they took 5 hard years of famine to pay their debts and rebuilt. My parents were born into the working class. They may have not had enough to eat some nights, but neither of my grandparents would ever accept welfare.

There are certain things I would not do. I would never accept welfare, I would only file for bankruptcy if there was absolutely no other way out, and I really believe I would starve to death or kill myself before being a homeless bum holding up a sign on the street and begging for change. In fact, that is my greatest fear and would be my hell...to lose all sense of dignity and self-worth.

Now I do believe in helping people less fortunate, and I would hold this as a strong value. I believe the start to that is family. From there it goes to friends, neighbors, churches, non-profits, and local communities.

I'm not saying to get rid of welfare, but I think that should be an absolute last resort. Just the other day I was Christmas shopping at Walmart and a family in front of me bought $350 in groceries on their EBT card. $350 in groceries?!? I can't remember the last time I spent anywhere near that at the grocery store. I probably don't spend much more than that in a month and I'm a single dad raising two hungry kids.

I propose that accepting welfare also comes with mandatory conditions: twice a month drug screening, meet with a government financial consultant that is trained in guiding low-income families, education classes, and much like unemployment benefits that if you are not working you look for a job. Failure to comply means intelligibility from benefits for 6 months.

And yes, I do realize that my proposition could possibly make things more expensive, but I am willing to do that for a program that would actually treat the problem. In the end, and possibly even the begining, it would be more effective and cheaper. Continual welfare to an individual is not a permanent solution to addressing poverty in America.

[Methais]

When you do not bother to point out the incongruity of my argument and instead post a pic that is basically saying I am stupid is you are either losing or have lost the argument.

What is liberal stupidity to you? Because all I am using is common sense.

An example of liberal stupidity is the inability to distinguish the difference between people who are less fortunate ad those who are too lazy to even try to get a job and support themselves.

Welfare isn't supposed to be permanent, yet people abuse the fuck out of it and most lefties turn a blind eye to it.

One example of many.

[Stanley Burrell]

$350 in groceries?!?

YEAH! That's only 5.8333... 1.75 liters of Grey Goose.

Cold world.


An example of liberal stupidity is the inability to distinguish the difference between people who are less fortunate ad those who are too lazy to even try to get a job and support themselves.

Welfare isn't supposed to be permanent, yet people abuse the fuck out of it and most lefties turn a blind eye to it.

One example of many.

But. What if you could become retarded and then quit your job and have a bank error in your favor and live off the spoils of Welfare like Peter on that one episode of Family Guy I watched one time. That'd be sweet. Yo, sorry for not serious posts party people.

[Stanley Burrell]

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[Back]

I found this interesting and thought I would comment.

I grew up in a proud family. I was born into upper middle class, but my parents lost most of their assets when the housing bubble crashed in Texas in the late 80s. They very well could of filed for bankruptcy, but instead they took 5 hard years of famine to pay their debts and rebuilt. My parents were born into the working class. They may have not had enough to eat some nights, but neither of my grandparents would ever accept welfare.

There are certain things I would not do. I would never accept welfare, I would only file for bankruptcy if there was absolutely no other way out, and I really believe I would starve to death or kill myself before being a homeless bum holding up a sign on the street and begging for change. In fact, that is my greatest fear and would be my hell...to lose all sense of dignity and self-worth.

Now I do believe in helping people less fortunate, and I would hold this as a strong value. I believe the start to that is family. From there it goes to friends, neighbors, churches, non-profits, and local communities.

I'm not saying to get rid of welfare, but I think that should be an absolute last resort. Just the other day I was Christmas shopping at Walmart and a family in front of me bought $350 in groceries on their EBT card. $350 in groceries?!? I can't remember the last time I spent anywhere near that at the grocery store. I probably don't spend much more than that in a month and I'm a single dad raising two hungry kids.

I propose that accepting welfare also comes with mandatory conditions: twice a month drug screening, meet with a government financial consultant that is trained in guiding low-income families, education classes, and much like unemployment benefits that if you are not working you look for a job. Failure to comply means intelligibility from benefits for 6 months.

And yes, I do realize that my proposition could possibly make things more expensive, but I am willing to do that for a program that would actually treat the problem. In the end, and possibly even the begining, it would be more effective and cheaper. Continual welfare to an individual is not a permanent solution to addressing poverty in America.

Sounds to me like you do care and sincerely want to help those who need it and who help themselves. I don't think thats a radical idea. In fact I think it is a pretty common thought. Without doubt there are free loaders who get through but seriously what quality of life do they lead that they have to free load off of welfare? It ain't Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.

You know, in all my life, I have never seen anyone use an EBT card let alone notice how much anyone was buying in the line in front of me. And I shop at Safeway like every one else.

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An example of liberal stupidity is the inability to distinguish the difference between people who are less fortunate ad those who are too lazy to even try to get a job and support themselves.

Welfare isn't supposed to be permanent, yet people abuse the fuck out of it and most lefties turn a blind eye to it.

One example of many.

Wow, generalize much?

What percentage of people on welfare are people who are abusing it? Even then how is it affecting your life worse than theirs?

[4a6c1]

Grey Goose sucks Stanley. What the fuck. Only hipsters drink Grey Goose.

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What I want to know is where do I sign up for all these amazing benefits of welfare without having to do anything with my life?

[Bobmuhthol]

Grey Goose sucks Stanley. What the fuck. Only hipsters drink Grey Goose.What the hell are you talking about?

[4a6c1]

What I want to know is where do I sign up for all these amazing benefits of welfare without having to do anything with my life?


There is no such place. The people I met in the Food Stamp office over the summer volunteering had me crying with their sad stories of unfortunate events. Like I had to quit because that place was so full of horrific stories of economic bad luck and poor people who lost such and such. I thought I was hard until I tried to volunteer there. Two weeks, okay. That's all I could take it.

[4a6c1]

What the hell are you talking about?

I was responding to a post 3 pages ago. I don't have to quote if I don't want to. Fuck you.

[Bobmuhthol]

I understand what you were responding to. I have a problem with what you said.

[Warriorbird]

An example of liberal stupidity is the inability to distinguish the difference between people who are less fortunate ad those who are too lazy to even try to get a job and support themselves.

Welfare isn't supposed to be permanent, yet people abuse the fuck out of it and most lefties turn a blind eye to it.

One example of many.

Your concept of welfare is pre Clinton/Gingrich.

Still fellating that Reagan Era welfare queen meme I see. Some heavy duty projection here.

[4a6c1]

I understand what you were responding to. I have a problem with what you said.

Oh in that case, can you please lower your blackest black v neck sweater so that I can admire your chest tattoo of an endangered animal. You'll have to move aside the golden crucifix you are wearing to be ironic because you're an athiest though. Thanks.

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All anyone pays for when they buy Grey Goose is the label. And that is kinda the opposite of being on welfare. Sorta.

[Bobmuhthol]

Oh in that case, can you please lower your blackest black v neck sweater so that I can admire your chest tattoo of an endangered animal. You'll have to move aside the golden crucifix you are wearing to be ironic because you're an athiest though. Thanks.Are you sure you know who hipsters are?

[4a6c1]

Yes okay. I have BEEN to SXSW Austin and I know a boob when I see a boob. Great music and not a few "Oh god, my eyes" moments. But you successfully distracted me! Down with Grey Goose. Up with Stoli.

[Suppressed Poet]

Sounds to me like you do care and sincerely want to help those who need it and who help themselves. I don't think thats a radical idea. In fact I think it is a pretty common thought. Without doubt there are free loaders who get through but seriously what quality of life do they lead that they have to free load off of welfare? It ain't Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.

No doubt it's a shitty quality of life. The thing is, whether you are liberal or conservative, you should care about the well being of people.

It is simply un-american and inhumane to allow people to remain dependent on welfare benefits for their whole existance. I also care because MY hard earned money is going to the stupidity of supporting idiots racing to their government offices so they can sit on their ass all day. And it's not even them I really worry about, it's their children. Not fixing the problem supports another generation of free loaders in greater numbers.

What happened to "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."? I'm all about helping people get on their feet, and that is a duty of a moral & just nation, but I won't ever support allowing people to be too lazy or stupid to help themselves.

[Bobmuhthol]

Yes okay. I have BEEN to SXSW Austin and I know a boob when I see a boob. Great music and not a few "Oh god, my eyes" moments. But you successfully distracted me! Down with Grey Goose. Up with Stoli.Oh my God, you're basing your hipster knowledge on events that have occurred in Texas?

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I also care because MY hard earned money is going to the stupidity of supporting idiots racing to their government offices so they can sit on their ass all day.

And finally the truth of your belief.

[4a6c1]

No doubt it's a shitty quality of life. The thing is, whether you are liberal or conservative, you should care about the well being of people.

It is simply un-american and inhumane to allow people to remain dependent on welfare benefits for their whole existance. I also care because MY hard earned money is going to the stupidity of supporting idiots racing to their government offices so they can sit on their ass all day. And it's not even them I really worry about, it's their children. Not fixing the problem supports another generation of free loaders in greater numbers.

What happened to "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."? I'm all about helping people get on their feet, and that is a duty of a moral & just nation, but I won't ever support allowing people to be too lazy or stupid to help themselves.

Based on your history of prior comments regarding women and their unique difficulties/professions, I have a hard time believing you have any genuine concern for the mostly female single mother recipients of welfare. I can spot a good bullshitter when I see one and you sir are bullshitting.

Try the truth: Aint no bitches takin mah taxes ya'll.

[4a6c1]

Oh my God, you're basing your hipster knowledge on events that have occurred in Texas?

Bob. Stop denying your endangered animal chest tattoo and multitude of v neck sweaters. Just stop.

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Hey, Texas has Shiner. And that is pretty hip.

[4a6c1]

Austin isn't really Texas. At all. Even normal Texans will tell you. They say it like this: "Oh, no, you don't want to go to Austin. Try Dallas instead. "

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Dallas? Yawn. Houston!

[Methais]

Wow, generalize much?

What percentage of people on welfare are people who are abusing it? Even then how is it affecting your life worse than theirs?

Knowing the percentage is impossible to figure out. What do you think it is? But its apparently enough to have an impact. How am I being affected worse than them? If you were forced to pay a portion of my bills every month while I stay at home all day fapping to Tisket instead of going to work (where has Tisket been anyway?) whose life would be affected worse? Not mine.

I have no problem at all helping people who are genuinely in need of help. I pretty much stay broke as fuck and still manage to help people out, because I'm just a cool guy like that. However, there also needs to be an incentive for them to try and become self sustainable, either again or for the first time in their life. I'm not talking about people who are disabled or anything like that. I'm talking about people who are capable of supporting themselves, but for whatever reason are in a fucked up financial situation and need some help getting back on their feet.

Also just because you haven't seen people using EBT cards doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I see it all the time. Maybe it's more widespread in the south, I don't know.

As for your question about the $350, it's pretty easy to see the purchase total of the person in front of you. And just as easy to hear the cashier tell them the total. And also it's fairly easy to make a rough estimate just by looking at how full their cart is and what's in it. Their cart pretty much always blows mine away too, which is another way it affects me worse than them.

Random question: Do you think unemployment checks should be unlimited? Why or why not?

[Gompers]

Austin isn't really Texas. At all. Even normal Texans will tell you. They say it like this: "Oh, no, you don't want to go to Austin. Try Dallas instead. "

Isn't "normal Texan" a bit of an oxymoron?

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Knowing the percentage is impossible to figure out. What do you think it is? But its apparently enough to have an impact. How am I being affected worse than them? If you were forced to pay a portion of my bills every month while I stay at home all day fapping to Tisket instead of going to work (where has Tisket been anyway?) whose life would be affected worse? Not mine.

I have no problem at all helping people who are genuinely in need of help. I pretty much stay broke as fuck and still manage to help people out, because I'm just a cool guy like that. However, there also needs to be an incentive for them to try and become self sustainable, either again or for the first time in their life. I'm not talking about people who are disabled or anything like that. I'm talking about people who are capable of supporting themselves, but for whatever reason are in a fucked up financial situation and need some help getting back on their feet.

Also just because you haven't seen people using EBT cards doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I see it all the time. Maybe it's more widespread in the south, I don't know.

As for your question about the $350, it's pretty easy to see the purchase total of the person in front of you. And just as easy to hear the cashier tell them the total. And also it's fairly easy to make a rough estimate just by looking at how full their cart is and what's in it. Their cart pretty much always blows mine away too, which is another way it affects me worse than them.

Random question: Do you think unemployment checks should be unlimited? Why or why not?

You really just made no sense at all.

What I suspect is that you are repeating things you've heard other irresponsible people say. People who its in their best interest for you to repeat, or actually believe, for them. People who want you to be angry. Thats a shame.

Don't be a slave to hate. Play COD and post memes instead.

[Bobmuhthol]

Bob. Stop denying your endangered animal chest tattoo and multitude of v neck sweaters. Just stop.I'm a v-neck man, but I don't wear sweaters or have tattoos, sorry.

[Warriorbird]

Oh my God, you're basing your hipster knowledge on events that have occurred in Texas?

To her credit, Austin is hipster Texas.

[Warriorbird]

Knowing the percentage is impossible to figure out. What do you think it is? But its apparently enough to have an impact. How am I being affected worse than them? If you were forced to pay a portion of my bills every month while I stay at home all day fapping to Tisket instead of going to work (where has Tisket been anyway?) whose life would be affected worse? Not mine.

I have no problem at all helping people who are genuinely in need of help. I pretty much stay broke as fuck and still manage to help people out, because I'm just a cool guy like that. However, there also needs to be an incentive for them to try and become self sustainable, either again or for the first time in their life. I'm not talking about people who are disabled or anything like that. I'm talking about people who are capable of supporting themselves, but for whatever reason are in a fucked up financial situation and need some help getting back on their feet.

Also just because you haven't seen people using EBT cards doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I see it all the time. Maybe it's more widespread in the south, I don't know.

As for your question about the $350, it's pretty easy to see the purchase total of the person in front of you. And just as easy to hear the cashier tell them the total. And also it's fairly easy to make a rough estimate just by looking at how full their cart is and what's in it. Their cart pretty much always blows mine away too, which is another way it affects me worse than them.

Random question: Do you think unemployment checks should be unlimited? Why or why not?

Note there's also a difference between the food stamps program and "welfare."

[Suppressed Poet]

And finally the truth of your belief.

Seems the only difference between you and I, friend, is that I'm not ok with waste. Why continue to throw money at a system that does not work? Am I an asshole or a stiff conservative because I hold tax dollars accountable and would suggest an alternative program?


Based on your history of prior comments regarding women and their unique difficulties/professions, I have a hard time believing you have any genuine concern for the mostly female single mother recipients of welfare. I can spot a good bullshitter when I see one and you sir are bullshitting.

Try the truth: Aint no bitches takin mah taxes ya'll.

Oh Rojo...

You have me all wrong.

I love the pussy! ...ya'll

[Warriorbird]

Seems the only difference between you and I, friend, is that I'm not ok with waste. Why continue to throw money at a system that does not work? Am I an asshole or a stiff conservative because I hold tax dollars accountable and would suggest an alternative program?


I'm waiting to see this alternate program.

[Suppressed Poet]

You missed a few pages WB. Go back a few to see it.

[msconstrew]

Seems the only difference between you and I, friend, is that I'm not ok with waste. Why continue to throw money at a system that does not work? Am I an asshole or a stiff conservative because I hold tax dollars accountable and would suggest an alternative program?


I am not okay with waste. I'm also not okay with leaving vulnerable members of our society without a safety net. So, which is preferable: having a program where there will be inevitable abuses by the minority in order to protect the majority OR punishment of the entirety because of inevitable abuses by the minority.

By way of caveat, I have no issues with adjustment or "tightening" to avoid abuse. But the thought that you can 100% prevent abuse is naive.

[Warriorbird]

You missed a few pages WB. Go back a few to see it.

I just saw you talking about what evil and awful people the poor were and how you hate them and they're constantly after your lucky charms to spend on liquor.


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AH, the clever program


twice a month drug screening, meet with a government financial consultant that is trained in guiding low-income families, education classes, and much like unemployment benefits that if you are not working you look for a job. Failure to comply means intelligibility from benefits for 6 months.

Barring the drug screening, which would increase the amount of money spent on welfare and all the other shit Republicans don't want to pay for, there are already eligibility requirements for welfare. Republicans who are still stuck on Reagan don't seem to get that food stamps and welfare are separate programs.

[Suppressed Poet]

I am not okay with waste. I'm also not okay with leaving vulnerable members of our society without a safety net. So, which is preferable: having a program where there will be inevitable abuses by the minority in order to protect the majority OR punishment of the entirety because of inevitable abuses by the minority.

By way of caveat, I have no issues with adjustment or "tightening" to avoid abuse. But the thought that you can 100% prevent abuse is naive.

MS...I 100% agree with everything you just said.

And sure, no doubt someone will still try to scam the system, but I believe we should at least try efforts to make this not so widespread.

Give the man a fish, he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he will eat his whole life.

Give a man a gun, and he will rob a bank. Give a man a bank, and he will rob the world.

[Suppressed Poet]

I just saw you talking about what evil and awful people the poor were and how you hate them and they're constantly after your lucky charms to spend on liquor.

Well YEAH!!!

Fucking kids alway trying to take me lucky charms.

[Warriorbird]

Well YEAH!!!

Fucking kids alway trying to take me lucky charms.

I'm glad you have an alternate program filled with stuff your party would never do so you can feel good about hating the poor.

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For the record I am against waste and abuse as much as the next guy. But I also believe there are people who truly need help and I am happy if I can help them. Hell, I am happy that we as a country just don't turn our backs on the less fortunate like some other countries. You know pan handling is a profession in some cultures. And the sick thing is in those cultures everyone thinks thats just how things are. Well they don't have to be. We are capable of anything we put our efforts to.

You guys who sit around worried about what kind of benefits poor people get and how they abuse them really need a hobby or something because thats not only unproductive its almost self destructive.

[Suppressed Poet]

I'm glad you have an alternate program filled with stuff your party would never do so you can feel good about hating the poor.

Me too.

See I did something nice for those smelly dirty poor people. I mean, for fuck's sake, can't they eat cake?!?

And I am glad that you pointed out that "my" part would never approve it. After all, all Republicans are the same right? Just as all Deomocrats are tree-hugging hippies. Hell, why do we even have primaries since that is the case?

[Warriorbird]

For the record I am against waste and abuse as much as the next guy. But I also believe there are people who truly need help and I am happy if I can help them. Hell, I am happy that we as a country just don't turn our backs on the less fortunate like some other countries. You know pan handling is a profession in some cultures. And the sick thing is in those cultures everyone thinks thats just how things are. Well they don't have to be. We are capable of anything we put our efforts to.

You guys who sit around worried about what kind of benefits poor people get and how they abuse them really need a hobby or something because thats not only unproductive its almost self destructive.

Dude, don't go here. They'll go off on how all the professional panhandling homeless people are totally making 70,000 a year and living an enviable lifestyle off their "welfare checks" in which they consume lots of Grey Goose, steak, and shrimp. They're determined that all poor people live lives like this. They'll speculate that's why you hung out with that one dumpster lady. This is the magical thinking they need to have to feel okay about hating people and then they draw fuel off that hate to decide their own lives are pinnacles of virtue. Just suggest they go be homeless, instead, if they think it's so awesome.

[msconstrew]

. . . homeless people are totally making 70,000 a year and living an enviable lifestyle off their "welfare checks" in which they consume lots of Grey Goose, steak, and shrimp.

If foodstamps pay for steak, shrimp, and grey goose... then why shouldn't people who receive them be able to spend the money on those items? Oh, is the prevailing logic that we should punish people because they have the bad luck to be on foodstamps? Right, right, I forgot: they don't "deserve" nice things because they're poor and leeching off of society.

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Hey I've said it before tell me where to sign up for this great lifestyle where I have to do absolutely nothing for it and I am there in a heartbeat.

Oh, wait, it really sucks to be poor on welfare and using food stamps doesn't it. Damn. Thought I had an easy way out!

[Suppressed Poet]

If foodstamps pay for steak, shrimp, and grey goose... then why shouldn't people who receive them be able to spend the money on those items? Oh, is the prevailing logic that we should punish people because they have the bad luck to be on foodstamps? Right, right, I forgot: they don't "deserve" nice things because they're poor and leeching off of society.

Heh...I think you might be missing a small detail. If you are too poor to be able to afford the basic necessities of life, do you think Grey Goose is something you should buy? I make a pretty good income, and I buy Tito's. (actually better in taste tests, Texas made, and 1/4 the price).

[msconstrew]

Heh...I think you might be missing a small detail. If you are too poor to be able to afford the basic necessities of life, do you think Grey Goose is something you should buy? I make a pretty good income, and I buy Tito's. (actually better in taste tests, Texas made, and 1/4 the price).

What gives you the right to make a value judgment about what people do with their money? I'm not missing anything.

[Suppressed Poet]

Its not because I'm angry at them. As mentioned, it hurts them far worse than it does me. So are you ok with that? Many of you are suggesting to do nothing to help break the cycle of poverty.

[Suppressed Poet]

What gives you the right to make a value judgment about what people do with their money? I'm not missing anything.

I believe I, or voters, get that right when it is my/our money being spent.

[Warriorbird]

Its not because I'm angry at them. As mentioned, it hurts them far worse than it does me. So are you ok with that? Many of you are suggesting to do nothing to help break the cycle of poverty.

You hate them. To "break the cycle" you suggest stuff your party would never do as a salve to your consience.

[Latrinsorm]

I'm not saying to get rid of welfare, but I think that should be an absolute last resort. Just the other day I was Christmas shopping at Walmart and a family in front of me bought $350 in groceries on their EBT card. $350 in groceries?!? I can't remember the last time I spent anywhere near that at the grocery store. I probably don't spend much more than that in a month and I'm a single dad raising two hungry kids.They probably wouldn't be hungry if you spent more on food, just saying. :)
It is simply un-american and inhumane to allow people to remain dependent on welfare benefits for their whole existance. I also care because MY hard earned money is going to the stupidity of supporting idiots racing to their government offices so they can sit on their ass all day. And it's not even them I really worry about, it's their children. Not fixing the problem supports another generation of free loaders in greater numbers.Let us assume for the sake of argument that there is a significant population of people who would rather do anything but work in a conventional job for a living, even when doing so would clearly provide them a higher quality of life. Would you rather have them taking government handouts or turning to a life of crime? Put another way, would you rather pay slightly higher taxes or run a slightly higher risk of getting shot in the head?
And sure, no doubt someone will still try to scam the system, but I believe we should at least try efforts to make this not so widespread.Oh that? Easy solution: universal surveillance.
And I am glad that you pointed out that "my" part would never approve it. After all, all Republicans are the same right? Just as all Deomocrats are tree-hugging hippies. Hell, why do we even have primaries since that is the case?I mean, have you watched a Republican primary recently? It is pretty much a competition to see who is the most or realest Republican. Why do you think "republican in name only" returns 128 million pages and the DINO version only 52 million? I know it's fashionable to cynically dismiss both parties as identically flawed and otherwise interchangeable, but it's just not factually accurate.

Also, Grey Goose is definitely not worth the money although they make a fine bottle. Once you pour it out, I can't tell the difference and I am a very delicate flower.

[Suppressed Poet]

You hate them. To "break the cycle" you suggest stuff your party would never do as a salve to your consience.

Ok WB. Go ahead and be a slave to the assumptions your mind makes about people with different views than yours in order to justify you being correct in whatever you say.

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I believe I, or voters, get that right when it is my/our money being spent.

Unfortunately it does not work that way. I would like to have a say how my tax dollars are spent. Like, not for war, only for infrastructure, only for teachers and schools. But thats why we have a government. To help us with these things.

[Warriorbird]

Ok WB. Go ahead and be a slave to the assumptions your mind makes about people with different views than yours in order to justify you being correct in whatever you say.

I'm not. No Republican member of Congress would ever spend money on your program. Consider a reality check.

[msconstrew]

I believe I, or voters, get that right when it is my/our money being spent.

Well, you don't embody all "voters". So as long as they're spending their WIC/foodstamp dollars on acceptable foodstuffs, your value judgments are really neither appropriate nor necessary. If you feel it's unacceptable, then lobby for change (assuming, of course, that people using foodstamps/WIC can actually buy those things).

[Suppressed Poet]

Unfortunately it does not work that way. I would like to have a say how my tax dollars are spent. Like, not for war, only for infrastructure, only for teachers and schools. But thats why we have a government. To help us with these things.

Sure, but in this country we vote for our leaders in government. Those leaders have control (or at least some control) on how our tax dollars are spent. And you get to vote for someone who is supportive of your views (or at least the best choice and closest to your views).

[Suppressed Poet]

Well, you don't embody all "voters". So as long as they're spending their WIC/foodstamp dollars on acceptable foodstuffs, your value judgments are really neither appropriate nor necessary. If you feel it's unacceptable, then lobby for change (assuming, of course, that people using foodstamps/WIC can actually buy those things).

They can't use it in Texas to buy Grey Goose so that is largely irrelevant, but I get your point. I'm not really sure if that is a state controlled thing or on the federal level.

[Kastrel]

Highly anecdotal evidence, but I've seen first-hand the potential results of poverty level people who get excessive handouts and no motivation to "rise above" that state. My significant other's family has been living on a variety of government funded checks, including disability and foodstamps, amongst other things, since she was 8. At the time, the family recieved so much money in handouts that they literally lived the good life; she got whatever she wanted all the time, and never knew want. The mother matched her spending to the amount given out; the more she got, the more she spent. Eventually, some of these checks ran out, and because literally not a cent was saved, and the entire family has been unemployed for over a decade and a half, there was no continued income.

The several thousands a month was slowly reduced to one thousand a month to feed three kids and the mother. Though they have very few expenses, and the vast majority of this money goes towards food, they always run out of money by the third week of each month, because they blow the grand on restaurants and expensive junk food. My SO began taking a very small portion, about $70, and keeping it put away and providing for herself and no one else for the entire month.

Despite the lack of need to do so, the family ends up hungry at the end of every month. The mother's response? She has been trying for years to get each of her children diagnosed with mental disabilities so that they can recieve additional checks in the mail for each child. Instead of getting a job, spending more responsibly, or god forbid, teaching her children how to get a job (all three are now of age to work at least part time), she is trying to find ways to access more handouts by using her children as pawns. My SO is a good bit wiser and is distancing herself from the situation, but the other two are eating it up, and by all indications, are learning to follow in their mother's footsteps and continue to milk to system and not work a day in their lives. They have never had a chance to know any better, and having all dropped out of high school, literally have no outside influence that shows them how to provide for themselves other than by abusing disability checks and foodstamps.

There is no restriction on what they get to use their government checks on, so despite virtually no expenses and enough money to get by, the end up hungry at the end of the month because they bought expensive take out and an Xbox 360 instead of basic necessities and cost-effective food. The mother is effectively set for life, and has no motivation to ever stop doing things the way she is.

As I said, highly anecdotal, but its a text-book example of how this stuff can go down.

[msconstrew]

They can't use it in Texas to buy Grey Goose so that is largely irrelevant, but I get your point. I'm not really sure if that is a state controlled thing or on the federal level.

State controlled, I believe.

[Suppressed Poet]

I'm not. No Republican member of Congress would ever spend money on your program. Consider a reality check.

I think it's you, sir, who hates poor people.

You think your party is doing them a favor by giving them continuous welfare checks and food stamps, and this makes you sleep better at night. In reality, your party does this to keep them in their place and gather their votes to support other agendas.

[Tgo01]

It's pretty entertaining reading the past few pages. "Just because you're a taxpayer doesn't give you the right to complain about what people spend their food stamp money on! If you hate it then lobby for a change!"

These comments are from the same people who whine about a bloated defense budget and bank bailouts.

We might as well just shut down this entire forum then, no whining allowed!

[Warriorbird]

I think it's you, sir, who hates poor people.

You think your party is doing them a favor by giving them continuous welfare checks and food stamps, and this makes you sleep better at night. In reality, your party does this to keep them in their place and gather their votes to support other agendas.

Back in the world where we're not stuck on Reagan, welfare was almost completely reformed under Clinton and Gingrich. The food stamp system is used by your party to guide poor people to voting against their own interests. They can point to people on it and say "At least they're better off." You act like you favor some high minded solution, but the reality of the politicians in your party is this. They want to cut people off. They don't give a damn if they starve. Education and counseling and drug testing are certainly wonderful concepts, but they wouldn't pay for them.

On top of that, Republican (and Obama) educational policies work to destroy public education, further reinforcing the cycle of poverty and stratifying society.

And food stamp reform? It would've been helped on a fantastic level by a national ID card. ADM and Walmart (huge supporters of you lot) spent millions lobbying against it because they love some illegal immigrants.

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You'll also note who insulted the poor the most in this thread. Go back and count. It's entertaining.

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Uh, saying that the democratic party is buying votes with food stamps is pretty crazy for a number of reasons besides being completely infeasible to begin with.

[Methais]

Note there's also a difference between the food stamps program and "welfare."

First 2 paragraphs were about welfare. Next 2 were about food stamps. Didn't really think I would have to point that out, as it should have been obvious.

[Warriorbird]

First 2 paragraphs were about welfare. Next 2 were about food stamps. Didn't really think I would have to point that out, as it should have been obvious.

And you're woefully ignorant about welfare versus just making a series of value judgments on anecdotal evidence related to food stamps. All the stuff you talk about needing to exist related to welfare already does.

[Methais]

I'm glad you have an alternate program filled with stuff your party would never do so you can feel good about hating the poor.

How many times have you made this stupid claim in this thread so far? I'm too lazy to to back and count, but this seems to be your main comeback.

Awesome argument. OMG YOU HATE TEH POORS!!!!1

[Warriorbird]

How many times have you made this stupid claim in this thread so far? I'm too lazy to to back and count, but this seems to be your main comeback.

Awesome argument. OMG YOU HATE TEH POORS!!!!1

How many times have poor people been insulted in this thread? Not too difficult an assumption.

[Suppressed Poet]

Uh, saying that the democratic party is buying votes with food stamps is pretty crazy for a number of reasons besides being completely infeasible to begin with.

Just for simplicity, lets call it government funding be it food stamps or welfare or healthcare...

Would you deny that there were mass amounts of voters whose choice was almost solely influenced by the politician they believed to give them the most "free" shit?

[Parkbandit]

How many times have poor people been insulted in this thread? Not too difficult an assumption.

How exactly does he hate poor people? It's a pretty stupid leap.. even by you.

I'm actually quite surprised you haven't found a way to call him a racist in this thread yet.. or blame something on "Citizens United".

You must be having an off day.

[Warriorbird]

Just for simplicity, lets call it government funding be it food stamps or welfare or healthcare...

Would you deny that there were mass amounts of voters whose choice was almost solely influenced by the politician they believed to give them the most "free" shit?

I love how you talk about not hating the poor.

[Parkbandit]

Just for simplicity, lets call it government funding be it food stamps or welfare or healthcare...

Would you deny that there were mass amounts of voters whose choice was almost solely influenced by the politician they believed to give them the most "free" shit?

That's fucking crazy! NO WAY would someone vote for a person, knowing their stance on a program that you collect from.

[Tgo01]

or blame something on "Citizens United".

You have to mention the word "unlimited" for that.

[Suppressed Poet]

I love how you talk about not hating the poor.

Like I said, it's you who hate the poor. Keep them poor, act like you are on their side, and exploit them. Am I right?

[Methais]

I love how you talk about not hating the poor.

I love how all you do is play the "you hate the poor" card more the Al Sharpton plays the race card.

Let me try this thing of making baseless retarded claims. Maybe it'll be fun.

You hate America and working people.

This is pretty easy. Much easier than using facts or examples to back up an opinion.

I don't hate poor people.

I haven't hear you say you don't hate America. Stop hating America.

You're making Back look like a reasonable person to have a political discussion with.

[Warriorbird]

How exactly does he hate poor people? It's a pretty stupid leap.. even by you.

I'm actually quite surprised you haven't found a way to call him a racist in this thread yet.. or blame something on "Citizens United".

You must be having an off day.

Go count all the ways that the poor are insulted or accused of doing bad things in this thread then get back to me.

[Methais]

The people you're saying we're insulting are people who abuse and exploit the system and have no plans or desire to even attempt to become self sustainable.

Pretty sure nobody has a problem with people who are truly in need. Most if not all of those people are actually interested in getting back on their feet, which is the point of the whole program. It's not meant to take care of people for their entire lives.

Don't really get why this is so difficult for you to understand, and I suspect your response will contain some claim about how I hate poor people.

[Warriorbird]

The people you're saying we're insulting are people who abuse and exploit the system and have no plans or desire to even attempt to become self sustainable.

Pretty sure nobody has a problem with people who are truly in need. Most if not all of those people are actually interested in getting back on their feet, which is the point of the whole program. It's not meant to take care of people for their entire lives.

Don't really get why this is so difficult for you to understand, and I suspect your response will contain some claim about how I hate poor people.

These anecdotal people are used as justifications to try to end programs that help the people who are truly in need. When you suggest that there's these vast quantities of people who are doing all these things, you're tarring all the innocent people with it too. How difficult is that to get? It's even more ridiculous when you consider that these anecdotal awful people never quite are reflected by the statistics.

You're then stirred up by these tales to give everything to the rich and corporations, including a staggering amount of yep, welfare.

[Parkbandit]

Go count all the ways that the poor are insulted or accused of doing bad things in this thread then get back to me.

Better yet, why don't you go back and quote all the insulting things Methais has said about poor people and all the bad things he's accused them of.

Do you believe he hates all poor people.. or just certain ones?

[Methais]

These anecdotal people are used as justifications to try to end programs that help the people who are truly in need. When you suggest that there's these vast quantities of people who are doing all these things, you're tarring all the innocent people with it too. How difficult is that to get? It's even more ridiculous when you consider that these anecdotal awful people never quite are reflected by the statistics.

You're then stirred up by these tales to give everything to the rich and corporations, including a staggering amount of yep, welfare.

Please quote me where I said I think these programs should be ended. When you're finished not doing that because you can't, go ahead and quote where I said anything about giving everything (or anything) to the rich and corporations.

When you're done also not doing that, go ahead and quote anything I said that was insulting to poor people.

Ending a program and reforming a program to reduce or eliminate fraud are not the same thing. If your brain still can't process this, then that's your problem.

[Parkbandit]

These anecdotal people are used as justifications to try to end programs that help the people who are truly in need.

Do you have a quote of Methais saying he wants to end these programs for everyone... or are you just falling back to your typical bullshit hyperbole once again?


When you suggest that there's these vast quantities of people who are doing all these things, you're tarring all the innocent people with it too.

How so? He quantified his position by this: "The people you're saying we're insulting are people who abuse and exploit the system and have no plans or desire to even attempt to become self sustainable."

Is it your contention that Methais is saying every poor person is exploiting the system?


How difficult is that to get? It's even more ridiculous when you consider that these anecdotal awful people never quite are reflected by the statistics.

You have statistics about the abuse and exploitation of the entitlement programs? Do share!


You're then stirred up by these tales to give everything to the rich and corporations, including a staggering amount of yep, welfare.

Do you have a quote of Methais agreeing with anyone who said they want to give everything to the rich and corporations? Do you have a quote of ANYONE that said they want everything to go to the rich and corporations?

[Parkbandit]

Fuck you Methais! And your typing teacher can suck it too!

[Tgo01]

Almost 30% of people living in poverty are black. Since Methais hates poor people it's also safe to say he hates black people.

Or another way of looking at it is Methais only hates 30% of people on welfare.

[Parkbandit]

Almost 30% of people living in poverty are black. Since Methais hates poor people it's also safe to say he hates black people in an unlimited fashion.

Or another way of looking at it is Methais only hates 30% of people on welfare.

FTFY so we can get CITIZENS UNITED into this discussion.

[Methais]

Fuck you Methais! And your typing teacher can suck it too!

My typing teacher in high school hated me because I told her posture doesn't matter and then proved it by clocking in at 110 wpm immediately after to her 70 wpm that she thought nobody could touch.

She frequently threatened to slam dunk me. It must be because she was black, which must also mean she's poor and abusing welfare, and it's been well documented by WB that I hate both black and poor people.

This post irrelevant though because my last post was typed on my phone.

[Warriorbird]

Please quote me where I said I think these programs should be ended. When you're finished not doing that because you can't, go ahead and quote where I said anything about giving everything (or anything) to the rich and corporations.

When you're done also not doing that, go ahead and quote anything I said that was insulting to poor people.

Ending a program and reforming a program to reduce or eliminate fraud are not the same thing. If your brain still can't process this, then that's your problem.

There's a big difference between saying "Used as a justification" and "You used as a justification." I understand this might be difficult for you.

Entertaining Tsa'ahing, PB.

[Tgo01]

Methais' typing teacher was Mavis Beacon?

[Warriorbird]

Methais' typing teacher was Mavis Beacon?

I personally prefer

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-q5Rlt_efAzQ/TxBXFM_sVmI/AAAAAAAAAOY/wJ1moqafQF4/s1600/type_of_the_dead.jpg

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[Methais]

There's a big difference between saying "Used as a justification" and "You used as a justification." I understand this might be difficult for you.

Entertaining Tsa'ahing, PB.

Good job answering nothing in my post.

Let's try again.

You've made multiple claims in this thread that I hate poor people. Quote at least one instance of that. I know that backing up any of your claims is an uphill struggle for you, but try anyway.

Until then just stfu.

[Parkbandit]

Entertaining Tsa'ahing, PB.

I don't remember Tsa'ah pointing out how utterly pathetic your constant hyperbole was as well as your consistent, unfounded assumptions.

Weird.

[Methais]

Also, why hasn't anyone answered my question earlier as to where Tisket has been?

Why does WB hate Tisket?

[Parkbandit]

Also, why hasn't anyone answered my question earlier as to where Tisket has been?

Why does WB hate Tisket?

She's not black!

[Warriorbird]

Good job answering nothing in my post.

Let's try again.

You've made multiple claims in this thread that I hate poor people. Quote at least one instance of that. I know that backing up any of your claims is an uphill struggle for you, but try anyway.

Until then just stfu.

Awww. Let's start.


I'd even go so far in today's welfare society as to say that income tax is a voluntary tax because you don't actually have to go to work. You can sit home and collect tax free Obama checks.

This quote totally represents reality.


Knowing the percentage is impossible to figure out.

Implying that it's a vast percentage.


If you were forced to pay a portion of my bills every month while I stay at home all day fapping to Tisket instead of going to work (where has Tisket been anyway?) whose life would be affected worse? Not mine.

Because they're totally wacking off to Tisket.


However, there also needs to be an incentive for them to try and become self sustainable, either again or for the first time in their life.

Not that, you know, there is.


I just happen to still go out and hold down a job and pay taxes instead of sitting on my ass all day complaining about how it's everybody else's fault and that people owe me something that I didn't earn.

Because they totally are able to do that.


is the inability to distinguish the difference between people who are less fortunate ad those who are too lazy to even try to get a job and support themselves.

Welfare isn't supposed to be permanent, yet people abuse the fuck out of it

Because welfare and food stamps are totally the same thing. Implying that people totally abuse a program which, well, got pretty much fixed.

I'm sure you'll drop many more gems. You definitely love those poor people.

EDIT:

PB, given that hyperbole is your new catch phrase (I'm proud of those vocabulary building exercises you've worked on) I'd like to ask if you've ever used it on this forum.

[Parkbandit]

PB, given that hyperbole is your new catch phrase (I'm proud of those vocabulary building exercises you've worked on)

Really? I've been using the term "hyperbole" for years. Probably since 2003 on this forum. Try again?


I'd like to ask if you've ever used it on this forum.

No where near the frequency that you use it.

I'll help you out, since it's obviously well above your intellectual level:

If you use extreme words like "always", "never", "everything", etc.. you are probably using hyperbole in an attempt to shore up a flimsy argument.

You always do it because you never have a good argument.

[Warriorbird]

Really? I've been using the term "hyperbole" for years. Probably since 2003 on this forum. Try again?



No where near the frequency that you use it.

I'll help you out, since it's obviously well above your intellectual level:

If you use extreme words like "always", "never", "everything", etc.. you are probably using hyperbole in an attempt to shore up a flimsy argument.

You always do it because you never have a good argument.

Got it. So you're attempting to attack me with something you use.

That makes me think of another of your catch phrases that starts with h. Can you figure it out?

[Methais]

This quote totally represents reality.

That quote was in reference to how easy it is for people who aren't genuinely in need to receive the same benefits as people who really are in need. Sorry that you weren't able to process that, but I'm not surprised.



Implying that it's a vast percentage.

Saying that its impossible to know the percentage of fraud implies exactly what it says. One could also say that you're implying that there is no fraud happening. I think there's enough of it going on to have an impact. Explain how that is an insult to poor people again? It's an insult to capable people who are too lazy to get off their asses and go to work instead of exploiting a system designed to help people who are down on their luck and need a hand getting back on their feet, as opposed to taking care of you for life. Sorry that you weren't able to process that, but I'm not surprised.




Because they're totally wacking off to Tisket.

You mean she's letting them hit it? In that case, I've been wrong about exploiting the system and am signing up for welfare tomorrow.


Not that, you know, there is.

Please elaborate.




Because they totally are able to do that.

Like I specifically said in that post, I'm not referring to disabled people or people who are otherwise physically and/or mentally incapable of providing for themselves. Why is this so hard for you to understand?


Because welfare and food stamps are totally the same thing. Implying that people totally abuse a program which, well, got pretty much fixed.

I don't recall claiming that they were the same. Feel free to point out where I did.


I'm sure you'll drop many more gems. You definitely love those poor people.

You've proven to be a bottomless treasure trove so far. And you also hate America. Just as much as I hate poor people.

[~Rocktar~]

Uh, saying that the democratic party is buying votes with food stamps is pretty crazy for a number of reasons besides being completely infeasible to begin with.

Ummm, which president said "I'll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years"? I will give you a clue, it wasn't a Republican. Politicians have been buying votes from the beginning of time. This is a fact of life, how they buy votes is quite important. Traditionally Republicans did it with pork infrastructure and military spending projects, Democrats did it with entitlement program expansion. Which one leaves a more useful result? No matter how much bridge A costs or tank B, you still end up with bridge A and tank B. Entitlement programs, you get nothing of utility in return other than an expendable section of society living in poor conditions with no better sense than to do what the government tells them because that is who is paying the check. It was once theorized that the whole thing was engineered to make a class of people obedient, not all that worried about death so they were suitable for military use wholesale and of little or no economic impact in general so if you suffered massive losses then you would still have a functioning society. Welcome to cold war social engineering on the nasty side.

The bad part is, the Liberal that suggested this was laughed at and ridiculed by Democrats.

If paying people to not be poor worked, then we should have no poor since we have spent 50+ years paying to end poverty.

[Gompers]

Really? I've been using the term "hyperbole" for years. Probably since 2003 on this forum.

I can hardly remember where I put my keys 15 minutes ago. This guy knows his shit.

[~Rocktar~]

If foodstamps pay for steak, shrimp, and grey goose... then why shouldn't people who receive them be able to spend the money on those items? Oh, is the prevailing logic that we should punish people because they have the bad luck to be on foodstamps? Right, right, I forgot: they don't "deserve" nice things because they're poor and leeching off of society.

For the same reason that you Liberals seem to think it is OK to legislate buying health insurance and regulating the size of soda's served. Sucks when the shoe is on the other foot, doesn't it? If you think you can know better in one area (healthcare/education/drug use) and legally enforce it, then I can think I know better in another area (say spending of entitlement dollars/abortion/etc) and legally enforce it. After all, what's good for the Liberal is good for the Conservative, right?

[Warriorbird]

Ummm, which president said "I'll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years"? I will give you a clue, it wasn't a Republican. Politicians have been buying votes from the beginning of time. This is a fact of life, how they buy votes is quite important. Traditionally Republicans did it with pork infrastructure and military spending projects, Democrats did it with entitlement program expansion. Which one leaves a more useful result? No matter how much bridge A costs or tank B, you still end up with bridge A and tank B. Entitlement programs, you get nothing of utility in return other than an expendable section of society living in poor conditions with no better sense than to do what the government tells them because that is who is paying the check. It was once theorized that the whole thing was engineered to make a class of people obedient, not all that worried about death so they were suitable for military use wholesale and of little or no economic impact in general so if you suffered massive losses then you would still have a functioning society. Welcome to cold war social engineering on the nasty side.

The bad part is, the Liberal that suggested this was laughed at and ridiculed by Democrats.

If paying people to not be poor worked, then we should have no poor since we have spent 50+ years paying to end poverty.

If you believe that Kessler book I have a bridge to sell you.

[Warriorbird]

Here you go Methais. Get educated. In the process you can maybe think about how your claims about how your claims about this broad unsubstantiated percentage of poor American might be a little bit insulting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Responsibility_and_Work_Opportunity_Act

[Parkbandit]

Got it. So you're attempting to attack me with something you use.

What? Is there anyone who doesn't from time to time? I'm not attacking you (you poor, little thing you!), I'm pointing out that you consistently use hyperbole in an attempt to bolster a very weak position or to create a position for someone else that never was there.

That is different than me saying that you are the biggest asshole in the universe.



That makes me think of another of your catch phrases that starts with h. Can you figure it out?

You are a hillbilly? A hick? A hack?

[Warriorbird]

What? Is there anyone who doesn't from time to time? I'm not attacking you (you poor, little thing you!), I'm pointing out that you consistently use hyperbole in an attempt to bolster a very weak position or to create a position for someone else that never was there.

That is different than me saying that you are the biggest asshole in the universe.



You are a hillbilly? A hick? A hack?

Nope. You're a hypocrite.

[Parkbandit]

Nope. You're a hypocrite.

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[Methais]

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[Warriorbird]

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[Suppressed Poet]

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/future_tense/2012/11/07/facebook_photo_of_barack_obama_hugging_michelle_is _most_liked_most_retweeted/1352304637440.jpg.CROP.article568-large.jpg

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[Methais]

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Why is Michelle wearing a tablecloth?
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[Delias]

I'm a self-loathing poor person. Not sure how I fit into this equation, but I do know my place in life- it's near the railroad tracks.

[Stanley Burrell]

I don't know if this fits into your equation, but I was reading the posts in this thread that have nothing to do with thread, so, the last time I saw hobos near the railroad tracks, they weren't drinking Grey Goose. I don't think. What is the thin line between hipster and hobo/meaning of life?

Edit:

[Methais]

What is the thin line between hipster and hobo/meaning of life?

A few things...

A hobo's shitty clothes were likely either given to him, or are just worn out from excessive use starting from before he was a hobo. A hipster bought his clothes from the look-like-a-hobo store in the mall.

A hobo doesn't care if you've never heard of some obscure band, movie, etc. To a hipster, it's everything.

A hobo's lack of hygiene is typically because they don't have access to a shower. A hipster has access to bathing facilities, but chooses to not use them so they can have extra greasy hair.

A hobo thinks Carter is still president. A hipster wishes Carter were still president so that they can play Atari and ColecoVision during their prime while wearing their Zelda shirt that nobody has heard of yet, making him the ultimate in underground.

[Warriorbird]

I don't know if this fits into your equation, but I was reading the posts in this thread that have nothing to do with thread, so, the last time I saw hobos near the railroad tracks, they weren't drinking Grey Goose. I don't think. What is the thin line between hipster and hobo/meaning of life?

Edit:

The parties can unite around hating hipsters.

[Whirlin]

The parties can unite around hating hipsters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP2W0LqQwEE

[Methais]

The parties can unite around hating hipsters.

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[ashleyturnier]

If you play the pass line at craps and have something like 30 times the units you're betting you'll get back 98% of your money.

Memorize basic strategy at blackjack and you'll get back 96% of your money (again, with about 30 times the units you're betting).

No lottery approaches those odds. Lotteries are a tax - a tax on stupid.

[AndrewSquared]

What gives you the right to make a value judgment about what people do with their money? I'm not missing anything.

It's not their money.

EDIT: And I reply to posts 6 pages back. So what?

[Tisket]

Also, why hasn't anyone answered my question earlier as to where Tisket has been?

Why does WB hate Tisket?

I just saw this.

The answer is that WB doesn't hate me. He, in fact, loves me with such a fierce, bottomless love that it defies description. He sends me daily, nay, hourly PM's of such a despondent nature, begging me for some sign of encouragement. So desperate are his pleas that I sometimes I fear for his sanity.

My overwhelming appeal is a dangerous weapon that I need to monitor vigilantly. A wayward glance (or the posting equivalent) can have devastating consequences.

It's hard being so irresistible.

[Methais]

I just saw this.

The answer is that WB doesn't hate me. He, in fact, loves me with such a fierce, bottomless love that it defies description. He sends me daily, nay, hourly PM's of such a despondent nature, begging me for some sign of encouragement. So desperate are his pleas that I sometimes I fear for his sanity.

My overwhelming appeal is a dangerous weapon that I need to monitor vigilantly. A wayward glance (or the posting equivalent) can have devastating consequences.

It's hard being so irresistible.

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[Parkbandit]

I just saw this.

The answer is that WB doesn't hate me. He, in fact, loves me with such a fierce, bottomless love that it defies description. He sends me daily, nay, hourly PM's of such a despondent nature, begging me for some sign of encouragement. So desperate are his pleas that I sometimes I fear for his sanity.

My overwhelming appeal is a dangerous weapon that I need to monitor vigilantly. A wayward glance (or the posting equivalent) can have devastating consequences.

It's hard being so irresistible.

http://imgupld.lunaticoutpost.com/graphic/images/2012/March/14/85F0_4F60B994.gif

[Warriorbird]

I just saw this.

The answer is that WB doesn't hate me. He, in fact, loves me with such a fierce, bottomless love that it defies description. He sends me daily, nay, hourly PM's of such a despondent nature, begging me for some sign of encouragement. So desperate are his pleas that I sometimes I fear for his sanity.

My overwhelming appeal is a dangerous weapon that I need to monitor vigilantly. A wayward glance (or the posting equivalent) can have devastating consequences.

It's hard being so irresistible.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9opy2w48k1qzh5aio1_500.gif

[Tisket]

To the last three posters: USE YOUR WORDS!

Don't make me unleash my powers on you.

[Methais]

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[russel]

Lottery does produce a huge revenue but where Lottery revenue goes?Aside from from the part given to the winner,revenues go to educational funds and other government projects as we all think as a worthy cause,but this isn't always the case.How much and what it goes to varies, depending on the area. See from this article where lottery revenues (http://personalmoneynetwork.com/moneyblog/2012/11/30/lottery-revenue/)go.