Seahawks Packers last play

[Constal]

We need to get these replacement refs out of here. Packers got robbed! What a wild night Monday NIght football game!

Your thoughts? Or is what I said nuff said?

[Rallorick]

agreed on the replacement refs, but the whole game was messed up... packers got their share of benefitial BS calls.

Their second touchdown should have been a fieldgoal.

[Rallorick]

not second.. only, my bad

[SHAFT]

What a fucking joke

[SHAFT]

Watching McCarthy's presser right now. I feel bad for this guy. Unreal

[Rallorick]

it was poorly called from the beginning though... sounds like it was 24 called penalties in all. But I guess my point is that you gotta take the whole game, not just the last questionable decision. The packers got their points on a bullshit decision that gave them 4 extra downs at the 1 yard - take that 6 points down to 3, and the seahawks wouldn't have had to lose the forth down conversion, and just taken the field goal - same end game result.

What sucks is that the game is going to be called a bullshit win for Seattle, and it would have been just as much a bullshit win had it gone the other direction.

[WRoss]

The league management has been arguing all along that none of the BS calls have resulted in a game changing result. While, like Rallorick said, tonight might not have been if the game was called correctly the whole way through. That could be argued for many games, though. I think it was SF that got 5 TDs and two extra challenges this weekend. There were numerous pass interference and personal fouls for unsportsmanlike conduct (fighting) that weren't called. Then there was that helmet to helmet hit.

At this point, there are so many different reasons that these refs should not be officiating. I wonder what it's going to take?

[Archigeek]

SF lost to the Vikes 24-13 was it? So no 5 extra TDs, but they did get 2 extra opportunities to throw a red flag, and a very questionable overturn, that I doubt the regular ref's would have overturned. It didn't affect the end result, because of an interception shortly after the overturned call, but it certainly could have. It's all a load of crap.

[Revalos]

At this point, the whole situation is so ludicrous that it actually has looped back around from anger inducing to hilarious. Simultaneous possession must mean "has hands on the ball" because there was no other explanation for that result last night.

[Parkbandit]

The umpire union is loving this. They can continue to hold the NFL hostage.

[msconstrew]

We need to get these replacement refs out of here. Packers got robbed! What a wild night Monday NIght football game!

Your thoughts? Or is what I said nuff said?

If that wasn't enough said, my Facebook stream from last night and this morning is certainly dispositive. Who knew these mild-mannered midwesterners could get so angry?!

[Wrathbringer]

During preseason, I heard a commentator state that "league integrity was at stake" in this situation. I thought that was a bit overstated at the time. No longer. League integrity is at stake. Besides that, games taking 30-60 minutes longer sometimes is unsat, and it's obvious in every game that I've watched that far too often the players are making the calls, with late flags coming in afterwards. Some resolution needs to happen, and soon.

[Keller]

As long as the refs are not biased and are calling the game equally poorly, I don't have any problem with the replacement refs. It is all part of the game.

Refs make bad calls that affect the outcome of the game. They are called mistakes.

Who else makes mistakes that affect the outcome of the game? Players.

I don't remember the fan and media outcry last year over Curtis Painter jeopardizing the integrity of the league by being a shitty quarterback.

[Back]

Can you imagine if the players went on strike and they let the amateurs play?

[Wrathbringer]

Can you imagine if the players went on strike and they let the amateurs play?

I was alive for that. It sucked.

[diethx]

Just watched this. All I can say is... I'm really glad I went to bed early.

[Keller]

With the attention the NFL is getting from this, there is no way they're going bring back the normal refs.

In fact, I bet they start firing the replacement refs once they become competent.

[Buckwheet]

The interview with the 25 year veteran ref saying it was complicated and they would have had discussions on the field shows that this call would have been controversial with or without replacement refs.

I like how he explained that every one thinks a booth review means they could overturn the entire play, but that when its a jump ball you throw everything else out(the complaint about pushing off) and that possession is determined on the field. All the booth guy can do is determine if the ball hits the ground or not. Since the ball did not hit the ground its ruled a completion with possession determining it was touch down.

I am neither a Packer or Seattle fan, but the fact that its all anyone is talking about today at work is starting get people mad at each other. I find that piece much more amusing.

You have the "right call" folks and the "blown call" folks arguing and then you have people who are pissed off people are just standing around arguing about football joining in. Its pretty epic!

[Makkah]

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[Atlanteax]

agreed on the replacement refs, but the whole game was messed up... packers got their share of benefitial BS calls.

Their second touchdown should have been a fieldgoal.

This ... had the game been refereed 'properly' from the start, this play would not have occurred to be an issue.

However, at least it is demonstrating, with the media frenzy, that the officiating of the games is truly underwhelming.
They may not bring back the original referees, but maybe they can change how refereeing is done (more referees total, and predominantly done from the booth, with all of those on the field able to listen in?).

[Latrinsorm]

I honestly don't feel this call was that bad. There was a big jumble of bodies and it's hard to tell even with slow motion reply exactly who had what where. The replacement-level calls are the ones where they just get the rules wrong. I wouldn't bet my life the real refs would have made the right call on that specific play.
At this point, there are so many different reasons that these refs should not be officiating. I wonder what it's going to take?Every empire has felt eternal at its peak. The owners were willing to literally shut down the league to get a few hundred million out of the players. Unless someone gets killed on the field I don't see them budging for a few million for refs, especially when they continue to defray it via fines and it has no apparent impact on their bottom line. The SNF that ran against the Emmys last year got a 22.84 (http://www.thetvaddict.com/2011/09/19/tv-ratings-sunday-september-18-2011-gridiron-trounces-glitz-as-nfl-ratings-double-that-of-emmys/) rating, this year a 19.82 (http://www.thetvaddict.com/2012/09/24/tv-ratings-sunday-september-23-2012-nfl-kicks-emmys-to-the-curb/), and that's with PHI-ATL last year (4th and 8th markets) vs. NE-BAL this year (7th and 26th).

What makes this more interesting is that unlike players the refs apparently have other sources of income, so they're presumably that much less liable to cave. I wouldn't expect this to end any time soon.

[Ardwen]

Just heard Aaron Rodgers comments on the play, apologized to the fans for the NFL, what the fans need to do is find a way to sue for ticket costs back or something because what we saw was clearly not the quality of football we as fans pay for.

[Parkbandit]

Just heard Aaron Rodgers comments on the play, apologized to the fans for the NFL, what the fans need to do is find a way to sue for ticket costs back or something because what we saw was clearly not the quality of football we as fans pay for.

Dear Aaron:

Play better next time? I mean, come on man.. you were the league MVP.. and you allowed 8 fucking sacks in a half. EIGHT. Not to mention you didn't throw a single fucking TD and only threw 220 yards. Fuck man. 9 fucking fantasy points? I got more from my fucking kicker on the bench! The only one that you didn't outscore on my team was Jordy Nelson.. you know him.. he was the guy you couldn't fucking throw the ball to.

Stop blaming the refs for your piss fucking poor game play.

[Wrathbringer]

I honestly don't feel this call was that bad. There was a big jumble of bodies and it's hard to tell even with slow motion reply exactly who had what where. The replacement-level calls are the ones where they just get the rules wrong. I wouldn't bet my life the real refs would have made the right call on that specific play

Who came down with the ball is not the issue. The exceptionally obvious two armed shove of a Packer defender to the ground by G. Tate before the catch is the issue. Blatant offensive pass interference, which would have negated any following catch. No way the regular refs miss that one, imo.

[Archigeek]

I didn't think the shove was that blatantly pass interference. Historically, on a Hail Mary pass, interference calls are pretty rare... it's pretty much a free forall, with everyone jostling for the ball.

PB has the right of it. The Packers lost because they sucked in the first half. It's pretty hard to win when your QB gets sacked 8 times in the first half. I'm not sure who's to blame for that, but maybe the Pack should have invested in their offensive line. Maybe they should just be thankful that Rodgers can still walk at this point and isn't getting medical care somewhere right now. At this rate, he's not going to last very long.

PS: as a Vikings fan, all I can really say in my best Nelson imitation is: Ha Ha!

[SHAFT]

I was alive for that. It sucked.

Not when Steve Young was playing. Mind your tongue.

[SHAFT]

Dear Aaron:

Play better next time? I mean, come on man.. you were the league MVP.. and you allowed 8 fucking sacks in a half. EIGHT. Not to mention you didn't throw a single fucking TD and only threw 220 yards. Fuck man. 9 fucking fantasy points? I got more from my fucking kicker on the bench! The only one that you didn't outscore on my team was Jordy Nelson.. you know him.. he was the guy you couldn't fucking throw the ball to.

Stop blaming the refs for your piss fucking poor game play.

If you have him in our PC league and you want to trade him hit me up. Yeah he looks washed up

[Ardwen]

heh I have him in one of the PC leagues, and the last play cost me the game with the TD call, its fantasy it happens

[Wrathbringer]

I didn't think the shove was that blatantly pass interference. Historically, on a Hail Mary pass, interference calls are pretty rare... it's pretty much a free forall, with everyone jostling for the ball.

Congrats! You qualify to be an NFL replacement ref! ;)

[Ardwen]

man they showed the experience of some of the officials from the came, apparently all you need is some HS and CC ames and you too can qualify

[msconstrew]

man they showed the experience of some of the officials from the came, apparently all you need is some HS and CC ames and you too can qualify

My husband (who never yells and is generally the most even-keeled person I've ever known) yelled, "Go back to the SUN BELT CONFERENCE you douchebags!" when that play happened. Oh those poor Packer fans.

[Ardwen]

two of the three were most recently arena football officials, maybe they were confused there was no net there to cause the ball to bounce back?

[msconstrew]

Not to mention the guy from the lingerie league...

[Parkbandit]

If you have him in our PC league and you want to trade him hit me up. Yeah he looks washed up

I don't. I didn't want to spend half of my money on one position.

[Latrinsorm]

Speaking of PB's new avatar, I can't wait for fmr. Gov. Romney to make a vaguely inaccurate joke about the refs.

[Parkbandit]

Speaking of PB's new avatar, I can't wait for fmr. Gov. Romney to make a vaguely inaccurate joke about the refs.

lol@u

[Alfster]

I think it's quite telling that they did NOT show the replay on the jumbo-tron in the stadium during the "challenge". I'm pretty sure they made that a rule this year - which makes one wonder how the Seattle friendly crowd would have reacted seeing the replays that everyone saw on television.

I'm a Packer fan - but they played like shit that whole game and were lucky to even be in a position to win.

[Archigeek]

Congrats! You qualify to be an NFL replacement ref! ;)

Sweet, I'll take it! But only if a job at footlocker is guaranteed after the regular ref's come back!

[Tisket]

I think it's quite telling that they did NOT show the replay on the jumbo-tron in the stadium during the "challenge". I'm pretty sure they made that a rule this year - which makes one wonder how the Seattle friendly crowd would have reacted seeing the replays that everyone saw on television.

From what I've heard personally, most seem okay with it. We just like to win.

[RSR]

Ask those same fans how they felt about the officiating against Pittsburgh in the Superbowl Tisket. They sure cared when it went the other way.

And Kerl, every regular ref that I've seen brought on various sports shows to discuss the play said that the pass interference was too blatant to not get a flag. A lot of stuff is overlooked on a hail mary, but that was too blatant to ignore.

[Rallorick]

meh - I don't think good with it... most people think they should have won because they played better, and unfortunately it's now seen as a gift.

And quite a few think it's funny that a week 3 regular season game gets ten times the media attention than the 2006 Superbowl, or losing the playoffs because a Jets helmet looks too much like a football... we're holding our collective breath for the better calls from union refs that involve less substantial games.

[Tisket]

Ask those same fans how they felt about the officiating against Pittsburgh in the Superbowl Tisket. They sure cared when it went the other way.

I was being tongue-in-cheek.

You usually get me! What's wrong with you!?

[RSR]

Long day, I'm tired. Please don't hit me...again.

[Latrinsorm]

If God didn't think you deserved it you wouldn't get hit.

[SHAFT]

Deal is done. Thank you

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