735? Something is going on.

[Kastrel]

Okay, now I've been away for a while, but when I logged on today, I had

735 Ensorcellment

smack dab between Animate Dead and Planar Shift. I didn't REMEMBER that being there the past month and a half, but hey, maybe I just blocked it out because its been there so long. Either way, I got curious and cast it:



>prep 735
You begin drawing a faint, twisting symbol while softly intoning the words for Ensorcellment...
>cast
You gesture.
Spell not implemented.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds. (took my mana too!)

The servers crashed about 15 minutes later, and when I got back on . . .



>prep 735
That is not something you can prepare.


Was 735 ALWAYS in the spell list? And if so, why the change in behavior? Why did it let me cast a not functional spell, then 10 minutes later, didn't. My theory is that 735 is a "crash the servers" spell or something.

[Allereli]

I recall that being there

[Kastrel]

And the casting wonkiness?

[Gelston]

I've seen the same wonkiness on other non-implemented spells on different lists aswell.

[Kastrel]

HAH!

Its gone now. It was there all morning, and now its gone. Hahaha, what have I done?!

[caelric]

Wouldn't surprise me if they were testing some form of 735 on the test server and one of them made the changes to the wrong server. They (Estild and Oscuro) have been saying that more was coming for sorcs.

[Makkah]

are you IRVINETOMOE on the boards? If so, you're fucking annoying.

[Kastrel]

are you IRVINETOMOE on the boards? If so, you're fucking annoying.

Thats me, glad to be at your service.

[Akaylas]

If I recall correctly, wasn't this supposed to be the sorcerer equivalent of enchanting, except bonuses to TD instead of DS on shields/armor?

[Kastrel]

If I recall correctly, wasn't this supposed to be the sorcerer equivalent of enchanting, except bonuses to TD instead of DS on shields/armor?

In its original concept, I think so. But its never been fully set in stone, and I think a lot of Sorcerers were opposed to the concept in that form. It could be that, or it could be anything really.

[caelric]

TD for sorcs is never really much of an issue, although I could see a huge market for the service to others. Not really what I would want in a 35th level spell, though.

[Kastrel]

My thoughts exactly, and I think a bit more of the same from others. Its something that would benefit others, primarily Squares, more than us.

Ensorcellment is kind of an ages old staging ground for a battle. Group A says "Sorcerers lack utility and have little to provide for other players, so lets create benefits that allow them to help others and their groups more", while Group B says "Sorcerers don't need to concern themselves with other players, lets focus on us". If 735 is a TD boost akin to enchant, its definitely a group A benefit.

The other issue I've seen in the past is that any TD boost along those lines would fall in the same enchantment limitation as DS enchant. Something couldn't be 7x enchanted and 5x ensorcelled, because there would be a hard, 10x limit between the two. I would also suspect there would be a hard, 7x limit for player enchanted/ensorcelled items as well, so a player would have to be deliberately giving up 5 DS for 5 TD (which will happen, but its a limitation).

But thats a whole lot of conjecture based on half-decade old posts by folks like Nilven who are long gone. You never quite know what will show up. That said, if Ensorcell is +5 to Sorcerer TD only, that will be pretty lame. All or nothing is probably the way it should go.

[Gelston]

If it was an across the board TD adder, millions of rogues, monks, and warriors would give you their left and right nuts.

[Kronius]

Uhhh, Ensorcell? YES please, especially if you ensorcell enchanted armor. There would be a huge market from squares who are very TD deficient.

It would turn sorcs from the cheapest to buy to damn near bard/wizard level.

[rolfard]

enchanting isn't really needed by wizards who harness massive DS but they make millions on enchanting

ensorcellment may benefit everyone and sorcerers may make millions on ensorcelling

[Gelston]

Heh, if it was released the first sorcs doing it would make a shit ton until it became more common and normalized.

[Kronius]

Heh, if it was released the first sorcs doing it would make a shit ton until it became more common and normalized.

Kind of like how enchanting was for wizards? Oh wait...

[RSR]

If it worked the same way current TD boosters work, then no, you probably wouldn't see a huge market for ensorcelled armor as it would take the same slot as padding/flares. Ensorcelled shields on the other hand would see a huge demand.

[Gelston]

I'd trade padding/flares for TD on my full plate in a heartbeat. I believe, however, it was originally shown as taking enchant slots? Like a 5x/5x item would be +25 DS/+25 (Or +15 depending on the time), but be considered 10x for all purposes. Like you wouldn't beable to 6x/5x. This all could be different now though.

[Kastrel]

If it worked the same way current TD boosters work, then no, you probably wouldn't see a huge market for ensorcelled armor as it would take the same slot as padding/flares. Ensorcelled shields on the other hand would see a huge demand.

Now there is a thought. If it works on a system where it takes the same spot as Enchanting, we will see more business from Squares who can afford to trade 5 DS for 5 TD easily, but less from. If it takes the same spot as padding/flares, we would see less business (though still a ton) from squares (who may be more willing to trade DS than padding for TD), but more from pures, semis, and squares who use shields.

Either way, there is a huge potential for cash. What I am worried about is, if it takes the same slot as Enchanting, will a high enchant make it harder to Ensorc? Right off the bat, starting major Ensorc projects with who KNOWS what level of difficulty? Lots of ruined equipment, but hey, thats the nature of it I guess.

[Allereli]

What I am worried about is, if it takes the same slot as Enchanting, will a high enchant make it harder to Ensorc? Right off the bat, starting major Ensorc projects with who KNOWS what level of difficulty? Lots of ruined equipment, but hey, thats the nature of it I guess.

or you can just wait and see what they're up to. I thought Ensorcellment was dropped years ago

[msconstrew]

or you can just wait and see what they're up to. I thought Ensorcellment was dropped years ago

It was. I doubt this will be ensorcellment, for a variety of reasons.

[Kastrel]

or you can just wait and see what they're up to. I thought Ensorcellment was dropped years ago

Ehh, I'm not "really worried". I was just voicing my thoughts on one of many possibilities. I'm certainly not going to go actually complaining about anything (or congratulating) until we get some sort of word on whats happening. As it is, I am sure of only one opinion; I am happy that things are being worked on, regardless of what the end result is.

[Kronius]

Can we all just be happy that SOMETHING is in the works at all? I know I am.

[msconstrew]

Can we all just be happy that SOMETHING is in the works at all? I know I am.

Who's unhappy! These changes are great.

[nocturnix]

Sounds like more sorcerer updates are coming. (evil laugh)

[Kronius]

Hmmmmm, 735 appearing then disappearing, and now they're fixing workshops in the Sorc guild?

Strange things are afoot at the Circle K

[nocturnix]

Hmmmmm, 735 appearing then disappearing, and now they're fixing workshops in the Sorc guild?

Strange things are afoot at the Circle K

And us sorcerers love strange things.

[audioserf]

I endorse any and all sorc buffs because it's about dang time.

[Vorpodu]

Ensorcell was planned a LONG time ago, like when it was still GS3. And come you, you really wouldn't trade a measly 20DS for 20TD as a square or even some semis? failing a warding has a MUCH bigger chance of killing you than a 120 endroll on a weapon hit. and it would definately make people want to start using shields again

[RSR]

I'd take a TD boosting shield, but not armor as a square. I get hit constantly as a square at cap and the crit padding helps with manuevers and straight attacks (also ithzir lightning flares which are a bitch and a half). The TD boost would serve me better on a shield personally than it would on armor. That's as a 3x shield user at cap though. Others might disagree due to different builds and opinions of course.

[Gelston]

I'd say it highly depends on what you hunt. That being said, I get hit a lot on my warrior, and I have flares on the plate. I used to have VHCP plate, don't notice a big difference.

[Vorpodu]

wouldnt you be able to echant/ensorcell something to desired level, say 4x/4x, and then get it padded? best of both worlds

[Gelston]

We don't know, the above was based on the assumption that it took a padding/flare slot instead of an enchant slot.

[Allereli]

wouldnt you be able to echant/ensorcell something to desired level, say 4x/4x, and then get it padded? best of both worlds

maybe if it existed

[Gelston]

It does exist, you have to put in a secret code to pull it up. And only on certain nights when the moon is at a certain point.

[Makkah]

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