Borderlands 2

[Kaig]

Anyone else preorder this one? Apparently comes with some sweet DLC, including the Mechromancer player class. The 'special' edition comes with a mini weapon box, map of Pandora and a Marcus bobblehead (I think, though not going to pay more for all that since DLC comes from basic preorder from Gamestop). I'll totally be ready to throwdown for co-op once I have my hands on this! Getting it for PS3 so PM me if you are game and I'll give you my PSN name.

[drigore]

Yep, the big box was a lot more then I wanted to spend, and by the time I decided to get one, they were sold out. Beat the shit out of the first game, can't wait for this one. Can't wait for Tiny Tina. Hope she's on par with Scooter as far as the comments.

[Kaig]

Okay, I played this for about 6 hours the first day, and I have to say it is at the very least on par with the first game. They have also added a few little things that are nice perks to an already great franchise: night and day (nice touch), weather effects, new badasses to fight, odd shield mechanics (example: spike shields that will flare out if you get hit by a melee attack, some even with an element!), branching quests and rewards (i.e. choose who to turn in the quest to and/or choose your reward from a couple choices). I'm sure there are more things but I'm not even half way through it. Still looking for people who have it on ps3 to play with. PM me if you are interested.

[Taernath]

I'm really enjoying it. BL2 is pretty much an improvement in every aspect over the first Borderlands, particularly the story. The quests and characters are fucking hilarious, and I like how you meet up with the PCs from the first game. I preordered, but I didn't like the idea of a full class being included as the bonus - people who waited for reviews will probably have to buy it full price later on. I'm holding off on the season pass also, as I've heard literally nothing about what might be released in the future.

I'm on PC though.

[Fallen]

Playing the crap out of this on the PC.

[Jarvan]

So freakin addicting. Glad I bought it at Gamestop for the PC too.

[Kastrel]

Stupid game . . .

Waiting for my Loot Chest edition in the mail.

[Jarvan]

lol, if I had known about the loot chest edition, I would have bought it...

so I could have resold it now for 400 bucks.

[Drakefang]

Yeah, I just started playing it on PC Friday night. Pretty fun. Playing Maya and still in Liar's Burg so far.

[Kaig]

Bah, guess I should have gone PC, but then I don't sit on my couch if I use my PC so PS3 wins. As for the 'season pass' things, as far as I gather, they have implied that there will be four DLCs released and the pass is the cost of 3 (pretty much their words), though I am not sure if the Underdome is one of them, and if so it would be pointless for me to get as I get this free when it comes out due to pre-ordering. Which means I would still be paying for three of the four anyway. Still not sure how they will do the Mechromancer class add-on. It was a pre-order perk, but it has not been released yet. Not sure if everyone will get access to it or not, they have not confirmed it. I would imagine it will be available to buy for those who did not pre-order as it will be a huge money-maker for them.

[Divinity]

Just beat this last night. Now I get to play through it again. This game is freaking addictive!

Also, <3 Moxxxi's guns. =X

[Fallen]

I can't beat games anymore. I just get lost in exploring and side quests until I get bored.

[Drakefang]

Just beat this last night. Now I get to play through it again. This game is freaking addictive!

Also, <3 Moxxxi's guns. =X

She does have some serious guns.

I jacked the resolution way up, had been playing on 800X600...it was the default I guess. WOW, what a difference THAT made. Unfortunately, whatever I accomplished also had the side effect of making me want to take Dramamine before playing much.

[Fallen]

I'm fucked. "The Dust" area is completely bugged, everything falls into the ground and is unable to be reached. Vehicles are completely useless too, they just get stuck in the ground. Very annoying.

[Divinity]

I'm playing on XBOX and have only encountered a few bugs. Nothing more annoying than trying to get your second wind but you're zoomed in with your weapon and can't zoom out. *growly-face*

[Kaig]

My issue with the second wind is that my vision always fades and blurs long before I get to the halfway mark on the timer... that usually equates into me not being able to tell if I am firing on friend or foe... and then... oh shit, guess it was a friendly and I lose a buch of cash to revive at a save point... bah... I didn't have this issue with the first game. Other than that, it really has not been that buggy for me.

[Fallen]

I use a rocket launcher that does elemental damage with X000x3 range actual damage. Use the radar to find the nearest enemy and fire away. You'll usually get a second wind without too much fuss. If things get tough I'll carry 2 launchers and empty them both. Expensive ammo costs but better than 35k in respawns.

[Taernath]

The commando's turret can give you second wind, making dying pretty much impossible.

[Fallen]

Played with four people. Completely nuts on extended play. Not my style. Resident Evil here I come.

[Divinity]

Yeah.. the 2nd play-through is bananas.

[Fallen]

Mechromancer class is out early. I'm debating on giving it a try or heading off to kick ass and chew bubblegum with Rimalimalimalon in RE6.

[Kaig]

Really digging the Mechromancer class... Though I'm still a bit unsure of the anarchy side of her skill tree. I don't think it will really be all that good untill you are able to spec in all of it... losing X amount of accuracy for a bonus to all damage per stack rank (400 or so with all perks, and gained by killing stuff and auto loading after using a full mag of ammo) and being able to go and melee/'point blank' everything (cause you can't shoot for shit after losing 200+ accuacy) doesn't seem all that fun to me. Now the other sides of the skill tree I like. For example, I like being able to set people on fire when I electrocute them... haha

[petiteSylvan]

Double Rainbow! What does it meeeeeeannnn?

[Warriorbird]

The commando's turret can give you second wind, making dying pretty much impossible.

The Mechromancer's robot can too.

[Fallen]

I tried it but ultimately I think i'm done with the game until the pirate DLC hits. Went back to ME3. They've added a ton since last I played.

[droit]

I've now played through as a siren and a commando, and I have to say that they did a great job at making the action skills feel uber at high levels. Maya's phaselock that pulls surrounding creatures together and slags, burns, shocks and corrodes them all was just plain awesome, and the destructive power of Axton's two turrets with a shield and rocket launcher on each one just laid waste to the battlefield. Really satisfying abilities.

[Kaig]

Heard the pirate DLC arrives on tuesday...as in... tomorrow... just when I thought I'd take a little break from it...

[Divinity]

I'm still messing around with Mechromancer myself but a friend of mine already has it to 50 and it was a beast. Anyone play the 3rd play-through yet?

[Tolwynn]

Captain Scarlett and her Pirate's Booty is already available for download, good stuff.

[Fallen]

I gotta say, I love how Gearbox kicks stuff out the door as soon as it is ready. Mechromancer, then Pirate's Booty.

[Divinity]

Agreed. It's hilarious listening to Lilith's voice as Captain Scarlett. I have yet to be completely bored with this game and usually I find myself going balls out on them for a couple of weeks and getting sick of it. IMO, Borderlands 2 is better than the first. Now I have to fight the urge to minecraft on xbox since they just released creative mode.

[Nattor]

The Mechromancer is awesome.

[Fallen]

Borderlands 2 in a sentence: GET ON YOUR GOD DAMN KNEES!

[Androidpk]

Borderlands 2 in a sentence: GET ON YOUR GOD DAMN KNEES!

Are you talking to Johnny Truelove?

[Taernath]

Borderlands 2 in a screenshot:
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[Kaig]

Yeah, so... Guess I know what I'm doing on my days off... :-)

[Kaig]

Oh, and, "A double rainbow. hoohahaha...Full on... woah... What does it mean? hahaaaa, but what does it mean!?!?" Heard Claptrap's ver. on my Commando, and then Jack's ver. on my Mechromancer... are there others that respond to the double rainbow?

[Divinity]

"Let's make face gravy!" - Goliath

Anybody play the pianos? My friends and I were trying to name all the songs it plays.. check it out in Moxxi's and in the Irish pub, if you feel bored.

Any thoughts on the phaselock ability that makes enemies fight other enemies? I kinda have mixed feelings about it and considering you only get 46 skill points right now, it seems not as great as I thought it was going to be. I tweaked my skills to give it a leg up and it still is kinda meh.

[droit]

"Let's make face gravy!" - Goliath

Anybody play the pianos? My friends and I were trying to name all the songs it plays.. check it out in Moxxi's and in the Irish pub, if you feel bored.

Any thoughts on the phaselock ability that makes enemies fight other enemies? I kinda have mixed feelings about it and considering you only get 46 skill points right now, it seems not as great as I thought it was going to be. I tweaked my skills to give it a leg up and it still is kinda meh.

I haven't tried it yet, mostly because my ruin spec is so damn fun. I went down the motion tree until converge, then cataclysm all the way to the end. A phaselock that pulls everyone in and burns, electrocutes, corrodes and slags them all? Yes please. The biggest game changer about ruin is actually the slag effect and not having to change weapons to get it. With a ruin phaselock and a decent Tediore SMG, I can take out super badass psychos in a few hits.

[Divinity]

I haven't tried it yet, mostly because my ruin spec is so damn fun. I went down the motion tree until converge, then cataclysm all the way to the end. A phaselock that pulls everyone in and burns, electrocutes, corrodes and slags them all? Yes please. The biggest game changer about ruin is actually the slag effect and not having to change weapons to get it. With a ruin phaselock and a decent Tediore SMG, I can take out super badass psychos in a few hits.

I might just have to try this. I still pull enemies in when I phaselock but I haven't even played with the right skill tree at all. Since I primarily play with my friends and I like to be a support player in a lot of games, I went with the left and middle. I like what the middle does for my character for support and some of what the left offers for phaselock. Maybe now that my Siren is 50 I'll have to think of being less support and increase offense. Thanks, Droit.

[Divinity]

Just delved into my first modded character so I could farm Master Gee with my friends. He hasn't dropped anything terribly exciting beside the seraph crystals.. a blood of terramorphous and the pistol from Rakman.

[Kaig]

I still haven't found one single seraph crystal.

[Tolwynn]

For those still playing, Mister Torgue's Campaign of Carnage DLC drops on the 20th.

[Sean of the Thread]

I get BL2 or XCOM for xmas. I can't decide.

[Warriorbird]

I get BL2 or XCOM for xmas. I can't decide.

Both.

[Stanley Burrell]

Do you need to play the first Borderlands to get the jist of Borderlands 2? Some dude told me you don't but I'm skeptical. And at some point, I want to replay all of the Mass Effect series so that I can have Miranda die.

[Kastrel]

Do you need to play the first Borderlands to get the jist of Borderlands 2? Some dude told me you don't but I'm skeptical. And at some point, I want to replay all of the Mass Effect series so that I can have Miranda die.

Don't be skeptical, its no exaggeration. Borderlands 1 is the Anti-Mass Effect 1. The game, while tremendously praised and amazing, has a pitiful story (not in terms of quality so much as in terms of absolute lack of one). You would ALMOST think it was an old NES game, given that there was more back story in the strategy guide and released in magazines years before the game came out, than actually appeared in the game. All four of the characters have virtually no backstory or character development (in game that is, they had some background released by Gearbox before the game came out, that was subsequently forgotten). The only characterization they DO have is from their in-game dialogue, which does NOT occur in any plot situations, and is mostly generic "I killed the enemy!" or "I'm in critical health!" type messages, that let you get a feel for their personality, but there is literally no growth or development. Ever played Final Fantasy 1? It had about that much story. The main characters of the first game get more backstory, depth, and development in the SECOND game than in the first (they are no longer playable in the second game).

What you MIGHT miss out on is tons of references and jokes to the first one. While the main characters had absolutely no character development or backstory, about a half dozen NPC characters (Dr. Zed, Marcus, Scooter, Helena Pierce, Patricia Tannis and Claptrap, also Moxie if you get the DLC) had some characterization and a lot of humor that is later referenced or played upon in the second, but nothing so glaringly important that you would really miss out if you didn't play the first.

The vast majority of the relevant info about the first game will be explained in the second game. The second game has so much MORE storyline and character development compared to the first that it basically managed to include the entirety of the first game's plot in explanation and actually explores MORE of the first game's plot than the first one did.

I'd say that if the first game, judged on plot, got a 2/10, the second gets at least a 7/10. The sheer QUANTITY of plot and character development is at least 10x as much, there is actually emotional depth, and there is an actual storyline and motivation as your characters move through the game (as opposed to the first, where you literally drifted from point to point, where plot happened almost as if by luck, and had no impact on anything).

I'm not saying DON'T play Borderlands 1. Its an amazing game, I love it to death, and its very fun. But if your only concern is making sure your Borderlands 2 experience is complete? Don't worry, its mostly irrelevant.

Want a synopsis of the plot of the entire first game, as far as things are relevant? Keep reading.





SPOILERS
Four vault hunters, Roland the ex-Crimson Lance member (Atlas corporations privatized army), Lilith the Siren (psychic powers), Mordecai the sniper, and Brick the hulking bruiser type show up on Pandora to find treasure (aka guns). They are contacted by "the Guardian Angel" a dark haired, pale skinned woman who appears to them in visions, who guides them to find the Vault, a legendary alien treasure trove of . . . well, probably guns, left thousands of years ago by a long dead civilization called the Eridians. To open this, they need to find parts of a "key", which are scattered around an in possession of various bandit warlords. With the aid of a few rednecks, entrepenuers, and crazy people, they gather these, while fighting off bandit hordes. Eventually, the Atlas corporation, who basically OWNS Pandora (companies in Borderlands are the leaders of the universe and control everything), gets angry because they lay claim to all Eridian technology, and eventually chases after them as well using the Crimson Lance, their personal army. The keys are left in the ownership of Patricia Tannis, who is an insane scientist stranded on Pandora. Eventually, after you gather them all, she backstabs you and sells you out to Atlas, but is then backstabbed in return. You rescue her, and annoyed at being reverse-betrayed, helps you out again. You catch up with the regional Atlas commander, Commandant Steele, just in time for her to open the Vault with the keys and then be killed by a Cthulu-esque horror from beyond. The heroes (or treasure hungry psychopaths, depending on how you like to view them) kill it, forcing it back into the Vault, upon which players are rewarded by an extremely brief 40ish second closing cutscene where the Angel thanks you, you realize she is somehow viewing you from a satellite, and an amusing clip of Claptrap being turned into a Ninja Robot occur. You never enter the Vault, or get any significant reward, and there is no explanation about what happened.

If you play the entire game, fast, it will probably take you 15 hours at least to find out all of this. I'm really not leaving anything important out. Everything else is sidequests and humor.

DLC:

DLC 1: Dr. Ned's Zombie Island.
Entirely plot irrelevant. The game makes up a random twin of Dr. Zed who appears to actually BE Dr. Zed, who is evil. He makes zombies, and you fight them. The DLC is very Halloween themed.

DLC 2: Moxie's Underdome
Almost entirely plot irrelevant. A very skimpy DLC, which provides a mediocre horde mode, with a bunch of hard achievements and little reward. Three horde mode stages, 2 skill points and a item locker (that isn't big enough) are the only real reward. Introduces Moxie, who is a relevant character in the second game, and gives a little, VERY little, of her backstory (in what amounts to a 30 second cutscene's worth)

DLC 3: General Knoxx's Armory
Best DLC of the four, the "Broken Steel" of the series (if you played Fallout 3). Actually expands on the main plot, might have more plot in it than the entire game combined. Introduces Atlas Corp.'s next high ranking individual, a disgruntled and surprisingly reasonable general. He attacks again, and defeating him basically ensures that Atlas Corp totally loses control of Pandora.

DLC 4: Claptrap's Robolution
Claptrap, turned into a "Ninja Claptrap" as a gag in the original 40 second end cutscene, attacks and turns all of the claptraps into a Borg-like collective who want to assimilate everything. Shows a little into the Hyperion corporation, who are important in Borderlands 2. Finishing this DLC explains why there is only one Claptrap left in BL2 (it seems to be the same one). Not as good as General Knoxx.

[Stanley Burrell]

Thanks there.

[Taernath]

The next DLC was announced, Mr. Torgue's Campaign of Carnage, out... tomorrow.

I guess an arena plays a part in it, but at least there's a campaign involved.

[Whirlin]

I'm pretty excited for the new DLC... The first DLC was well done. I finished up my first playthrough, and started on the 2nd playthrough, and found that the DLC was perfectly level adjusted to start on my 2nd playthrough with a light/moderate challenge. Definitely better than redoing the story missions.

Hopefully the 2nd will be perfectly level adjusted as well, and not just a forced level capped area. If anyone wants to play it: LordWhirlin on steam as well.

[Taernath]

I'm enjoying the Torgue DLC a lot, maybe even more than the last one. It's not another Moxxi's Underdome Riot, there's a campaign, wide open areas, and you can fight in various pits to win Torgue Tokens for seriously powerful items. There are a lot of bugs though and catch-a-ride stations are a little too infrequent.

[Whirlin]

I agree...

Back me up on this though... are the midget in the area uncritable?

I like the integration of the arenas and the plot

I think I'm up to level 46 now also... DEFINITELY better than grinding in the main story.

[Taernath]

They can't be critted as far as I can tell.

[Kastrel]

Did the level cap go up?

[Divinity]

Did the level cap go up?

No. It was supposed to but it didn't.

This DLC was complete shit. The first DLC was awesome and this one was boring. They really need to raise the level cap before they release more DLC.

[Divinity]

I'm enjoying the Torgue DLC a lot, maybe even more than the last one. It's not another Moxxi's Underdome Riot, there's a campaign, wide open areas, and you can fight in various pits to win Torgue Tokens for seriously powerful items. There are a lot of bugs though and catch-a-ride stations are a little too infrequent.

The Torque weapons aren't as powerful as the legendary weapons you can get from various boss fights.

[Tolwynn]

You can get the legendary Torgue weapon boss fight drops (Nukem, Rolling Thunder, etc) from the Torgue vending machines, assuming you save up enough of the tokens. Likely quicker to farm a specific boss for an item if there's one you especially want, though.

[Kaig]

Yeah I downloaded the new DLC on Tuesday when it went up, but I haven't had a chance to play it yet with work, and Thanksgiving and all. I was reading the reviews and ign gave it something like a 9.2? Guess you get Torgue tokens to use the vending machines and there is always a gold ranked item in the item of the day slot. Supposedly the items that appear can be found in the basic game so it's not any new items we'll be seing there. Still, I suppose another chance to find something that was unfindable as loot might be worth something. Hopefully I'll get a chance to play on my weekend coming up. Still looking for PS3 players!

[Warriorbird]

Some of the acting in the Torque DLC is funny, but as a whole experience, Scarlett is much better.

[Taernath]

No. It was supposed to but it didn't.

I don't remember Gearbox ever saying the Torgue DLC would increase the cap. I think that was just an assumption on the part of the players.

[Kastrel]

I don't remember Gearbox ever saying the Torgue DLC would increase the cap. I think that was just an assumption on the part of the players.

I had the same impression. It is pretty much guaranteed that a cap increase is coming, but they never said when. I was hoping for a Fallout: New Vegas style cap increase, where each DLC provided a small level cap increase (maybe 3 levels), rather than sticking it all in the 3rd or 4th (at 10-12 levels).

[Tolwynn]

Randy Pitchford came out and said more than once that cap wouldn't be increasing with Torgue, but then again said that the time would come soon enough. Also, interestingly enough, that the large majority of players hadn't capped yet, which is presumably why cap increase hasn't been such a priority.

[Whirlin]

I've beaten the game, dealt with Bloodwing again in the second playthrough (skipped side quests), and have been working on both DLCs, and I'm only 47 or so... It's surprisingly time intensive to cap in the game. I don't know if I'm annoyed, or happy about it. I want to do the raid bosses!

Yeah, I think I overall liked the pirate one a little better, there were just a few things that made me LOL hard... like dealing with the software piracy... I also hate the concept of a new currency like in the Torque campaign.

[Kaig]

They said something about raising the cap eventually, but also said that they planned to do it in a way that was 'different' than what was expected. That certainly narrows it down huh...

[Divinity]

I've beaten the game, dealt with Bloodwing again in the second playthrough (skipped side quests), and have been working on both DLCs, and I'm only 47 or so... It's surprisingly time intensive to cap in the game. I don't know if I'm annoyed, or happy about it. I want to do the raid bosses!

Yeah, I think I overall liked the pirate one a little better, there were just a few things that made me LOL hard... like dealing with the software piracy... I also hate the concept of a new currency like in the Torque campaign.

Noob. <3

[Divinity]

http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/community/articles/985/borderlands-2-gear-up-weekend

Exclusive weekend begins today.

[Taernath]

Hammerlock dropped today.

I only played about 15 minutes, but the enemies seem really, really... bullet-spongy.

[Fallen]

I've only seen 1 review from IGN. They gave it a 7 I think. At this point, though, if you're still playing why the hell would you NOT get new content?

[Tannious]

I've played about 20ish mins or so, those witch doctors are crazy hard to kill, same with the striders. I have real issues hitting the crit spot and these things have crazy hp. Will have to dig out a singularity grenade mod for some of those witch doctors, can't beat their regen. Would've been an awesome DLC for a new lvl cap since the witch docs lvl up the mobs around them pretty crazily.

[Kastrel]

A little sad that the level cap hasn't increased by now. I know that they plan to do it eventually, but I'd rather play all the DLCs WITH the cap . . . I may just wait until the 4th DLC hits before I play Hammerlock and Torgue for that very reason.

[Divinity]

I'm with you, Kastrel. I want to kill what I'm killing for experience and not raising the level cap is just lame.

[Taernath]

I've played about 20ish mins or so, those witch doctors are crazy hard to kill, same with the striders. I have real issues hitting the crit spot and these things have crazy hp. Will have to dig out a singularity grenade mod for some of those witch doctors, can't beat their regen. Would've been an awesome DLC for a new lvl cap since the witch docs lvl up the mobs around them pretty crazily.

Yeah, those guys were the bullet sponges I was referring to. Have you run into the ones that turn into a tornado, deflect bullets back at you, then one hit kill you? Some of the badasses I'm unloading literally 10 magazines worth of ammo into, and their HP is barely dented. They're actually harder than the bosses.

[Tannious]

Yeah, those were it, plus the vampiric witch doctors that you can't kill unless you hammer them with launchers. Craziness. Those ones turn into a whirlwind of bats and don't come out of it and are untargetable till you get out of range. Everything seems just a little off on this.

[Taernath]

So apparently the season pass doesn't include the cosmetic DLC that was just released.

Not gonna lie, my jimmies are a bit rustled. My fault though, I guess the pass only includes the expansion packs.

[Kaig]

I'm just going to wait until the next add on to even start this 3rd one. Gonna need quests and such when they raise the level cap (however they plan to do so). It would be sort of lame to just run around fighting random bandits and such and nothing else to gain levels. If the first Borderlands is any example, reaching the upped level cap will take a shit-ton of exp, not to mention the challenge that comes with higher leveled enemies (and quests) in said add ons. Oh well... Supposedly they had announced that all the campaign add ons would be out by June... Plenty of other games to keep me occupied until then.

[Kastrel]

Yeah. I was supposed to take a break from GS and play the 2nd and 3rd DLC, but couldn't find it in me without a level cap out yet. I'd rather just do them all at once.

[Kaig]

Was thinking; I hope they release the level cap raise with the next campaign dlc and not as a separate item, because that would suck all sorts of shit balls!

[Kastrel]

Apparently, the level cap (and a new character?) are coming individually, unrelated to DLC #4. Also, not covered by Season Pass.

[Kaig]

Bah... Naturally... Money Grubbing aside, any idea what they have in mind for yet another character?

[Kastrel]

I haven't been following it, just that they would be individual from the DLC.

[Kaig]

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. Damn.

[Kaig]

So, Tuesday brings about an 11 point level cap increase as well as a third vaulthunter mode complete with higher scale pearlessence weapons... A new class (psycho based) in May and the 4th season pass DLC (which is said to be the largest dlc by far Gearbox has ever done for a BL game) in June... I wonder if they will randomly add a pach later on like the first game did that adds another 8 levels to the cap equaling 69. I guess time will tell.

[Kaig]

So I do have to say I am liking the Psycho class more than I thought I would.

[Overlord]

So I do have to say I am liking the Psycho class more than I thought I would.

I am a bit aprehensive, i felt they never did enough with Brick in Borderlands. Although with the new skill trees and what not might not be too bad!

Take most of you play on PC?

[Kaig]

I'm starting to think I'm the only one here who plays on the PS3. On the topic of the psycho, you can check out his skill trees on YouTube. I personally feel there is a whole lot more potential here than there was with Brick in BL1, not to mention the ability to turn into a Badass Psycho yourself if you go down the correct tree... and while I'm thinking of it, that path actually gives you the option to replace 'fight for your life' with 'light the fuse' which allows you to run around with live dynamite and go suicide psycho after flinging it at a buch a enemies...if you kill someone, you are back up... I don't think you lose any movement speed either when you go down... I personally enjoy lighting myself on fire and pretty much everything else at the same time too... with the level cap update, I think you can do both... It's gonna be a blast!

[Overlord]

On Xbox myself, bout the only thing i play on PS3 is defiance. Ultimate Vault Hunter mode is a pain in the ass!!

[Kaig]

Yeah it is pretty tough, but it seems also that there are more enemies to fight at one time as well... makes having crowd control a must... and in that... Zero really sucks... good thing I didn't really like him to begin with.

[Ryku]

Dude I just got the game for 14 bucks on steam last night. It's go time!