More brawling rogue questions.

[Ker_Thwap]

Thinking of fixskilling the Burghal Gnome rogue to brawl, but am keeping the 3x picking and disarm. I know I'll continue to suck somewhat for hunting because of this.

I have kind of crappy AS, and rely on hiding and ambush currently. So, I assume I'll need to rely on hiding and ambush when unarmed as well.

How will a chain armor affect UAC? I have a few pairs of decent HCP chain armor, and am too lazy to sell/trade it for robes. Currently have 70 ranks of armor use.

If I drop TWC (all but one rank) and Edged, I have just enough points to max brawl and dodge. What kind of DS can I expect? No good hunting spells self cast to speak of, but I do have a table wizard.

I'd drop silent strike and disarm (just had that for the defense,) pump up vanish. Maybe try out divert to deal with swarms, although I rarely hunt solo anymore.

Has anyone written a rogue brawling lich script yet? Brawling looks kind of awesome if you have the time to read all the messages and set up the next move, but in a group hunt, I can see myself randomly mashing buttons after failing to keep up with the screen scroll?

Two Weapon Combat..................| 302 202
Armor Use..........................| 170 70
Combat Maneuvers...................| 200 100
Edged Weapons......................| 302 202
Ambush.............................| 302 202
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 70 15
Physical Fitness...................| 245 145
Dodging............................| 344 244
Arcane Symbols.....................| 70 15
Magic Item Use.....................| 74 16
Harness Power......................| 50 10
Survival...........................| 74 16
Disarming Traps....................| 401 301
Picking Locks......................| 402 302
Stalking and Hiding................| 302 202
Perception.........................| 301 201
Climbing...........................| 146 46
Swimming...........................| 170 70
First Aid..........................| 25 5
Pickpocketing......................| 136 38

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 4

Enhanced stats:
Strength (STR): 100 (10) ... 114 (17)
Constitution (CON): 94 (32) ... 94 (32)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (35) ... 105 (37)
Agility (AGI): 100 (35) ... 105 (37)
Discipline (DIS): 97 (18) ... 97 (18)
Aura (AUR): 94 (27) ... 100 (30)
Logic (LOG): 98 (34) ... 98 (34)
Intuition (INT): 98 (29) ... 98 (29)
Wisdom (WIS): 84 (17) ... 84 (17)
Influence (INF): 67 (3) ... 67 (3)

[Wheelerm]

I have kind of crappy AS, and rely on hiding and ambush currently. So, I assume I'll need to rely on hiding and ambush when unarmed as well.

I might not say this correctly, but I'll try anyway...this is a good idea, but AS is not directly translatable to your UAF. In other words, just because your AS is low does not mean that your UAF will be equally low.


How will a chain armor affect UAC? I have a few pairs of decent HCP chain armor, and am too lazy to sell/trade it for robes. Currently have 70 ranks of armor use.

Wearing any kind of armor will reduce your MM by a factor of 1/4 the AP of the armor. Here's a link to the Armor page of Krakii to see your AP:

http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Armor

Note that you can reduce the effect by overtraining in AU, as overtraining will reduce the AP of the particular armor. MM is more critical than UAF.


If I drop TWC (all but one rank) and Edged, I have just enough points to max brawl and dodge. What kind of DS can I expect? No good hunting spells self cast to speak of, but I do have a table wizard.

Again, I may not say this correctly, but you will be a little more susceptible to hits if you get hit. By having 3x dodge and the outright parry bonus for having the TWC training, you should be fine when spelled up. I can hunt higher levels with my brawling build and spelled up than I could with my TWC build with similar spells, and I get hit less. That's not to say that I don't get hit. When I do get hit, it hurts.


I'd drop silent strike and disarm (just had that for the defense,) pump up vanish. Maybe try out divert to deal with swarms, although I rarely hunt solo anymore.

This is a good idea. I'm looking at Vanish myself.


Has anyone written a rogue brawling lich script yet? Brawling looks kind of awesome if you have the time to read all the messages and set up the next move, but in a group hunt, I can see myself randomly mashing buttons after failing to keep up with the screen scroll?

Can't help you here.

Jeril seems to know a lot about this, and I'm sure he'll fill in the gaps and will correct any misinformation I may have inadvertantly passed along.

[Drakefang]

Not being able to go for the neck or head is going to hurt some. UCS is slow enough, as is. On the plus side, if you are automatically hitting tier 2's all the time ambushing, you should be able to grapple legs for take downs.

[Jeril]

UAC from the open is kind of slow, but he will be hiding and ambushing. Not much should change except that instead of ambush target leg, ambush target head , it becomes punch target leg, punch target head, or maybe grapple leg then punch head but either way you get the idea. Grapple is better at disabling but punch is one second faster, so I'd suggest playing around with it and figuring out which works best for you. And if punch doesn't work well against things in heavy armor you have kick to fall back on.