"Perfect" Stats

[Valyss]

So I am quickly coming up on cap and the 1M bounty points for a fixstat. I'm looking to fixstat soon after capping so that I can take the training point hit early and plan my post-cap goals better.

Here is where I'm sitting now @97:


....Strength.(STR):...100.(25).........108.(29)
Constitution.(CON):...100.(25).........100.(25)
...Dexterity.(DEX):...100.(30).........100.(30)
.....Agility.(AGI):...100.(35).........100.(35)
..Discipline.(DIS):....94.(17)..........94.(17)
........Aura.(AUR):....98.(24)..........98.(24)
.......Logic.(LOG):....99.(24)..........99.(24)
...Intuition.(INT):....82.(16)..........82.(16)
......Wisdom.(WIS):....77.(13)..........77.(13)
...Influence.(INF):....76.(18)..........76.(18)

And here's the best allocation that I could come up with using http://home.mchsi.com/~cphillips73/StatCruncher/GS4/StatMaximizer/StatMaximizer.html


Maximized stats for a Half-Elf Warrior
....................CO*.DE..DI..LO..IT.ST*.AG..IF. WI..AU
Initial.Placement...62..59..77..88..70.39..59..41. 82..82
Stats.at.Cap........100.100.100.100.98.100.100.84. 100.100


Thoughts? Suggestions welcome!

[RSR]

I set my INF higher to help with warcries and have never regretted it.

-Richard.

[Valyss]

what's your stats and starting stats? (info start)

[RSR]

Dwarf, warrior, capped.

Strength (STR): 100 (35) ... 113 (41)
Constitution (CON): 100 (40) ... 111 (45)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (25) ... 105 (27)
Agility (AGI): 100 (20) ... 103 (21)
Discipline (DIS): 100 (35) ... 100 (35)
Aura (AUR): 81 (5) ... 81 (5)
Logic (LOG): 64 (12) ... 64 (12)
Intuition (INT): 82 (16) ... 82 (16)
Wisdom (WIS): 79 (14) ... 79 (14)
Influence (INF): 96 (13) ... 96 (13)

Strength (STR): 90
Constitution (CON): 80
Dexterity (DEX): 80
Agility (AGI): 85
Discipline (DIS): 70
Aura (AUR): 55
Logic (LOG): 43
Intuition (INT): 43
Wisdom (WIS): 43
Influence (INF): 71

[Roblar]

Valyss,

Your plan looks good. Here's mine:

Giantman

Strength (STR): 30
Constitution (CON): 58
Dexterity (DEX): 68
Agility (AGI): 68
Discipline (DIS): 73
Aura (AUR): 82
Logic (LOG): 88
Intuition (INT): 70
Wisdom (WIS): 82
Influence (INF): 41

Normal (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 100 (40)
Constitution (CON): 100 (35)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (20)
Agility (AGI): 100 (20)
Discipline (DIS): 100 (25)
Aura (AUR): 100 (20)
Logic (LOG): 100 (20)
Intuition (INT): 100 (25)
Wisdom (WIS): 100 (25)
Influence (INF): 81 (20)

I'd consider dropping aura to 95 to bump up influence a bit, but the war cries success rate (for giants anyway) once mastered are pretty good.

RSR, who listens to a dwarf anyway? Heh, I see why you needed to bump it INF, at 96 still a 13 bonus. That said, you're STR & CON starting stats are way high and wisdom/logic etc low - I'll sell ya a fixstat! ;)

[RSR]

Honestly, never really expected to make cap. And I play plat, not prime, so less fixstats available.

[Valyss]

I'm having a hard time finding a good combination with higher INF. One workable combo I found was:

INT: 90
INF: 90
Everything else: 100

Less total stats, but higher INF. I kind of feel like if I was going to "tank" (84 really isn't tanking and is actually higher than I'll have now) anything, it would be INF which I get a bonus to as Half-elf.

Thanks for the input! I'm curious to see what others have done too!

[Archigeek]

You could tank INT instead of INF. I believe the growth rate is the same.

I am trying to make the same decision myself. One other scheme I came up with as a human was something like 95 AUR, 92 INT and 94 INF, with all else 100's. I don't think those are the exact numbers, but the alternative is 100's across the board except an 82 in INT or INF.

[Jeril]

I went the tank INT route, and as a giant I get a bonus to INF as well.


Starting stats:
Strength (STR): 30
Constitution (CON): 59
Dexterity (DEX): 68
Agility (AGI): 68
Discipline (DIS): 70
Aura (AUR): 82
Logic (LOG): 88
Intuition (INT): 40
Wisdom (WIS): 82
Influence (INF): 73

Capped stats:
Strength (STR): 100 (40) ... 100 (40)
Constitution (CON): 100 (35) ... 100 (35)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (20) ... 100 (20)
Agility (AGI): 100 (20) ... 100 (20)
Discipline (DIS): 98 (24) ... 98 (24)
Aura (AUR): 100 (20) ... 100 (20)
Logic (LOG): 100 (20) ... 100 (20)
Intuition (INT): 83 (16) ... 83 (16)
Wisdom (WIS): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Influence (INF): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)

[Roblar]

If swapping INT for INF to tank I think the choice is little worse DS, less chance to evade, and not as good at spotting and/or disarming traps for better trading prices and war cry success.

I like intuition. Conversely, it seems to be a cheaper stat to boost through enhancives so maybe I am alone in that (I blame bards!)

[Sam]

I sort of wish I'd gone with 95 Aura, and tanked Intuition. Haven't really seen how bad 8 INF bonus is for war cries though, since I'm still on rank 1.

Level: 100
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 100 (10) ... 100 (10)
Constitution (CON): 100 (35) ... 100 (35)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (35) ... 100 (35)
Agility (AGI): 100 (35) ... 100 (35)
Discipline (DIS): 100 (20) ... 100 (20)
Aura (AUR): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)
Logic (LOG): 100 (35) ... 100 (35)
Intuition (INT): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)
Wisdom (WIS): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Influence (INF): 77 (8) ... 77 (8)
Mana: 309 Silver: 0

>inf start
Level 0 Stats for Brute, Burghal Gnome Warrior

Strength (STR): 62
Constitution (CON): 62
Dexterity (DEX): 58
Agility (AGI): 58
Discipline (DIS): 78
Aura (AUR): 85
Logic (LOG): 82
Intuition (INT): 62
Wisdom (WIS): 82
Influence (INF): 31

[Androidpk]

I didn't know Burghal gnomes got such a nice Con bonus.

[Archigeek]

If swapping INT for INF to tank I think the choice is little worse DS, less chance to evade, and not as good at spotting and/or disarming traps for better trading prices and war cry success.

I like intuition. Conversely, it seems to be a cheaper stat to boost through enhancives so maybe I am alone in that (I blame bards!)

Intuition figures into DS and evasion eh? Didn't know that.

I might just go with that compromise plan and leave 2 stats in the mid 90's and one at about 90 instead of tanking one. Not sure yet though.

[Roblar]

Well, slightly anyway (INT bonus/4). I lose 1 pt DS when my INT enhancive wears off (7 stat/3 bonus).

"The possibility of evading an attack is increased through training in the dodge, agility and intuition skills,.."
Dodge Ranks + (Agility Bonus) + trunc(Intuition Bonus / 4) = Base Value
Base Value × Armor Hindrance × Shield Penalty × Stance Modifier = Evade DS

http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Evade

[Drakefang]

I like intuition. Conversely, it seems to be a cheaper stat to boost through enhancives so maybe I am alone in that (I blame bards!)

Everyone does.

[Valyss]

so the two workable combination i've gotten down to are:

all 100s, 90 INT 90 INF

OR

all 100s, 98 INT, 83 INF

Anyone have a strong feeling either way? Anyone have another build they'd like to throw out there?

(Remember I'm half-elf, so +5 inf, +0 inf)

[Androidpk]

Is it no longer possible to have 100s in all stats?

[Roblar]

Not for a long time

[Aluvius]

so the two workable combination i've gotten down to are:

all 100s, 90 INT 90 INF

OR

all 100s, 98 INT, 83 INF

Anyone have a strong feeling either way? Anyone have another build they'd like to throw out there?

(Remember I'm half-elf, so +5 inf, +0 inf)

Hmm, I was thinking INF would be a mental TD stat which we might actually be seeing now within our lifetimes. I'd go with the all 100s, 90 INT and 90 INF option. Also it would help a bit with critters that use warcries.

[Valyss]

Thanks everyone for all the advice! One other question though... is fix-statting even worth it? Here's what my stats are going to be at cap:

Strength (STR): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Constitution (CON): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)
Agility (AGI): 100 (35) ... 100 (35)
Discipline (DIS): 95 (17) ... 95 (17)
Aura (AUR): 98 (24) ... 98 (24)
Logic (LOG): 99 (24) ... 99 (24)
Intuition (INT): 83 (16) ... 83 (16)
Wisdom (WIS): 78 (13) ... 78 (13)
Influence (INF): 77 (18) ... 77 (18)


One of the main reasons I was going to do it was to get it out of the way, with boosting my TD as a close second. Plus with no one buying fixstats right now, it seemed a good time.

More thoughts?

[Androidpk]

How much of an increase would you see to your TD?

[Valyss]

if my math is right, from stat gains alone:

+1 to elemental
+12 to spiritual
+6 to sorc

[Loyrl]

Here are my stats at 100, I don't have any issues atm with them.

Dwarf Profession: Warrior (shown as: Awesome)
Gender: Male Age: 60 Expr: 8353512 Level: 100
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 100 (35) ... 100 (35)
Constitution (CON): 100 (40) ... 100 (40)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Agility (AGI): 100 (20) ... 100 (20)
Discipline (DIS): 100 (35) ... 100 (35)
Aura (AUR): 100 (15) ... 100 (15)
Logic (LOG): 84 (22) ... 84 (22)
Intuition (INT): 73 (11) ... 73 (11)
Wisdom (WIS): 95 (22) ... 95 (22)
Influence (INF): 70 (0) ... 70 (0)
Mana: 5 Silver: 435

starting info
Strength (STR): 70
Constitution (CON): 65
Dexterity (DEX): 85
Agility (AGI): 85
Discipline (DIS): 85
Aura (AUR): 90
Logic (LOG): 70
Intuition (INT): 20
Wisdom (WIS): 70
Influence (INF): 20

[Valyss]

i'm still debating, here's the options:

A) All 100s, 98 INF, 83 INT
B) All 100s, 98 INT, 84 INF
C) All 100s, 86 INT, 95 INF
D) All 100s, 90 INT, 90 INF

Ahh! I'm going in the wrong direction, I should be reducing options not creating them :)

I'm tempted for D, just for nice round numbers :0

[Sam]

Either option D (Nicer to look at) or option B (highest total).

[Loyrl]

Instead of starting a new thread, I was wondering how much a difference a fixstat would do for me.


Race: Dwarf Profession: Warrior
Gender: Male Age: 60 Expr: 8571641 Level: 100
Normal (Bonus)... Enhanced (Bonus)
(STR): 100 (35)...100 (35)
(CON): 100 (40)...100 (40)
(DEX): 100 (25)...100 (25)
(AGI): 100 (20)...100 (20)
(DIS): 100 (35)...100 (35)
(AUR): 100 (15)...100 (15)
(LOG): 84 (22)...84 (22)
(INT): 73 (11)...73 (11)
(WIS): 95 (22)...95 (22)
(INF): 70 (0)...70 (0)


>info start
Level 0 Stats - Dwarf Warrior

Strength (STR): 70
Constitution (CON): 65
Dexterity (DEX): 85
Agility (AGI): 85
Discipline (DIS): 85
Aura (AUR): 90
Logic (LOG): 70
Intuition (INT): 20
Wisdom (WIS): 70
Influence (INF): 20

[Valyss]

the biggest motivation for me was my low wisdom. if i were you, i'd go for it- i really hate having <100 logic on my characters. exp absorption just feels so slow (although you're saved a little bit by dwarves having a nice bonus)

do you find having low INF to be a problem for your warcries? mine's a little higher than yours, and i have the bonus from half-elf so i do OK with cries.

[Archigeek]

I re-did mine and went with this (human):


Level: 100
Normal (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 100 (30)
Constitution (CON): 100 (25)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (25)
Agility (AGI): 100 (25)
Discipline (DIS): 100 (25)
Aura (AUR): 95 (22)
Logic (LOG): 100 (30)
Intuition (INT): 90 (25)
Wisdom (WIS): 100 (25)
Influence (INF): 96 (23)

[Rolis]

Unless it has changed, the.bonus from influence bonus was only dependant on your influence bonus being positive or negative. If the bonus is positive you receive half your level as bonus to your rolls. Else you get no bonus.

[Valyss]

Finally broke down and used my fixstat, reset my stats to:

Level: 100
Normal (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 100 (25)
Constitution (CON): 100 (25)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (30)
Agility (AGI): 100 (35)
Discipline (DIS): 100 (20)
Aura (AUR): 100 (25)
Logic (LOG): 100 (25)
Intuition (INT): 90 (20)
Wisdom (WIS): 100 (25)
Influence (INF): 90 (25)

Enjoying the TD and (slight) DS I picked up. Missing the 30 ranks of Physical Fitness that I had to give up when my TPs switched around :(

All in all, happy with the results!

[MMA RLZ]

Would you mind posting the initial stat placement for the final 90 INT/90 INF all the rest 100?

[Valyss]

Sure!

Level 0 Stats for Valyss, Half-Elf Warrior

Strength (STR): 40
Constitution (CON): 62
Dexterity (DEX): 59
Agility (AGI): 59
Discipline (DIS): 77
Aura (AUR): 82
Logic (LOG): 88
Intuition (INT): 59
Wisdom (WIS): 82
Influence (INF): 52

I came up with these using: http://home.mchsi.com/~cphillips73/StatCruncher/GS4/StatMaximizer/StatMaximizer.html

[bremerial]

Interesting discussion.

[Valyss]

Unless it has changed, the.bonus from influence bonus was only dependant on your influence bonus being positive or negative. If the bonus is positive you receive half your level as bonus to your rolls. Else you get no bonus.

Rolis, do you remember if there was a post, or some math done on this? I really wish I'd have collected some data before I used the fixstat, but I'm finding (at least anecdotally) that I'm landing holler very reliably with the increase in INF. Could always be a problem of limited data set or perception, but I'd love to see some math!

[bremerial]

Ok general question. I might be missing the obvious.

Lot of emphasis on potential all 100s with INF & INT in 90s - variations on a theme - rather than INF & WIS which is just as doable.

I know the benefits of enhanced INT. what are the detriments of reducing WIS from 100 to 90?

[Androidpk]

Reduced TD.

[bremerial]

Ahhh
Explains it then.
Thanks.

[Archigeek]

Reduced TD.

I've actually considered rounding up WIS enhancives to counter this. With the right set of enhancives you could raise your spirit TD by 20, and that's what we face most often. Unfortunately WIS enhancives are very pricey and much harder to find than things like strength.

[bremerial]

I was trying to examine the gains to dodging V the detriment of loss of TD. You know, if I had an endless supply of fix stats potions, it would be fun doing some experimenting. I'm becoming intrigued by all these variables.

[MMA RLZ]

Has anyone actually figured out the "perfect" starting stats for a Dwarf Warrior?

[Bobmuhthol]

Dwarf warriors cannot hit 100 in everything, and they also can't hit 100 in everything except influence, so there's no single answer. It depends on what you want (highest total, must have 100 in X, etc.).

[Valyss]

If you agree that INT and INF are the two skills that would be "sacrificed" you can do as a dwarf:

all 100s, 95 INF 87 INT
all 100s, 92 INF 90 INT