Bus monitor bullied by middle schoolers.

[diethx]

I don't think there's a thread on this yet? Anyway... it blows my mind that these kids could be so disrespectful to this woman. It blows my mind even further that in one day, people have donated almost $100k so she can vacation, or I guess retire now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/20/greece-school-district-bullied-footage-causes-outrage_n_1612925.html?1340215853&icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl3%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D171676

[Tgo01]

Makes you want to not only make abortion legal but mandatory.

[Androidpk]

Makes you want to not only make abortion legal but mandatory.

Up until the age of 18.

[diethx]

Up until the age of 18.

:yeahthat:

Man if someone spoke to my grandma like that... I'd probably be in jail right now.

[Androidpk]

They need to send those kids some scared straight camp and have some drill instructors lay down the law.

[Reliel]

Disgusting. Absolutely and completely disgusting.

I'd be backhanding parents and children alike if they ever spoke that way to my grandmother.

[Gelston]

Wow. I couldn't picture that happening when I was in middle school to an adult. We didn't have bus monitors, but still. Honestly though, what is her purpose on that bus?

[Gelston]

Klein told News10NBC she does plan on returning to work, but says she will never take a run that these students are on.


In the next few days, the students will have a superintendent hearing with their parents and lawyers if they wish and this issue is presented to the superintendent and the board. The disciplinary actions will be decided then.

http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S2662463.shtml?cat=565

I wouldn't mind if they brought back paddling just for these four little bastards.

[Tgo01]

Honestly though, what is her purpose on that bus?

I was wondering the same thing. Is she there to make sure kids aren't bullying each other? That seems rather pointless if she has no real authority to stop them from bullying her.

[Reliel]

Bus monitors are there to let the bus driver know what kids are trouble makers and the driver lets the principal know. They have no authority but can get you in trouble if they want...

I had a few of them on my bus in High School and Junior High.

[Gelston]

Oh. We just had cameras, starting around my Freshman year.

[Reliel]

Had cameras too but the monitors were still there.

[Tisket]

The youtube comments are pretty funny. One listed the kid's names and the school district's phone number. The kids will probably have to move now. That made me smile a little inside. What I don't understand is why they were stupid enough to post it in the first place.

[Androidpk]

Cameras and monitors? Damn..

[Androidpk]

The youtube comments are pretty funny. One listed the kid's names and the school district's phone number. The kids will probably have to move now. That made me smile a little inside. What I don't understand is why they were stupid enough to post it in the first place.

Because as children they are inherently stupid. The majority of them anyways.

[Reliel]

Cameras and monitors? Damn..

Monitors had pepper spray too. My school was awesome!

[Drew]

We didn't have cameras or monitors on the bus, but then again I went to private school. We also didn't have a bus.

[4a6c1]

I went to a tutor in Kiev for like a week in high school we had to hire a policeman to escort the car. Political fallout really puts teenage miseries in perspective. Same year, I went to a school in the middle of the Texas Hill country for a month where the kids of oil barons could carry shotguns to school. And I learned how to kill a chicken in mandatory 4h class. Good times good times. Anyways, teenagers are aweful everywhere. Who cares. Maybe that's too dystopian. Bob Marley time.

[Latrinsorm]

I don't know, the shock seems a little disingenuous to me. You people didn't have 4 trouble maker kids in your entire school?

It was wrong, sure, but it's nothing new.

[Gelston]

We had troublemakers, funny thing though, nothing like that ever happened when I was there. Kids in middle school picked on other kids in middle school.

[Latrinsorm]

If you honestly believe you knew every bad thing that a kid in your school did, I guess.

[Tgo01]

I don't know, the shock seems a little disingenuous to me. You people didn't have 4 trouble maker kids in your entire school?

It was wrong, sure, but it's nothing new.

I didn't know Latrin had kids living in Greece, NY?

[Atlanteax]

Grade school = Glorified Day-Care nowadays ... Kids act up ... 'Authority figures' cannot do anything (but report it up the chain, and then the top begs the parents to get their kids to 'behave better')

Bring back corporal punishment into the schools!

[diethx]

I didn't know Latrin had kids living in Greece, NY?

Seriously.

Also, the fund was at like 105k before I went to bed last night. Now it's over 220k. Mind blown so hard.

[Drew]

[red] Thread: Bus monitor bullied by middle schoolers. --- No wonder you're arrogant and generally clueless.


I would say that came well before any private schooling that I had.

[Gelston]

If you honestly believe you knew every bad thing that a kid in your school did, I guess.

Yes, I'm pretty sure in my Middle School of 400 people, that nothing to this extent ever happened.

[Reliel]

I knew about guys that set fire to bathroom stalls and beat other students half to death but they always respected the staff faculty unless they were disrespected.

Different times now. Instead of inflicting gross bodily harm or property damage, kids bad mouth adults. Crazy mixed up world!

[Gelston]

Oh yeah. People did baaaad shit to property and other students. Faculty was ALWAYS respected though.

[Dayko]

The kids in this generation is just horrible. Whatever their parents are doing, they're doing it wrong. I hope they suffer from major discipline..

[Gelston]

Dayko, you are this generation.

[Reliel]

Oh yeah. People did baaaad shit to property and other students. Faculty was ALWAYS respected though.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or you're agreeing with me in a very enthusiastic way.

(Insert squinting Fry picture here)

[Gelston]

Hah, agreeing.

[Reliel]

I do remember one instance that a teacher was attacked.

I was sitting in class and the teacher we had was a huge asshole to these four guys. They got sick of his bullshit one day and one of them got up to 'use the restroom' and on his way out, flipped the lights off, came back in and slugged the guy across the face and the other three got up and got their shots in. Lights came back on and the teacher was laying face down on the floor.

That was one of the most insane moments in my school.

[diethx]

You went to a really piece of shit school.

[Reliel]

Most public schools are pieces of shit.

[TheEschaton]

Grade school = Glorified Day-Care nowadays ... Kids act up ... 'Authority figures' cannot do anything (but report it up the chain, and then the top begs the parents to get their kids to 'behave better')

Bring back corporal punishment into the schools!

I'm all for corporal punishment in school. My 4th grade teacher was an ex-nun (never a former nun in our minds, and we all had nightmares about why she was an 'ex'-nun) who hung a paddle over the blackboard. She never once used it, but we were all scared shitless of her.

[diethx]

Most public schools are pieces of shit.

Honestly, I don't ever remember anyone in my school beating up a teacher, setting fire to bathrooms, or beating other students half to death. Yeah, there was definitely a lot of bullying among the students, none of which is/was acceptable. What you've mentioned really seems excessive.

[Atlanteax]

I do remember one instance that a teacher was attacked.

I was sitting in class and the teacher we had was a huge asshole to these four guys. They got sick of his bullshit one day and one of them got up to 'use the restroom' and on his way out, flipped the lights off, came back in and slugged the guy across the face and the other three got up and got their shots in. Lights came back on and the teacher was laying face down on the floor.

That was one of the most insane moments in my school.

A friend of mine's mother is a teacher.
She stressed to him to *not* teach in Detroit, if it could be avoided, when he started his teaching career.
She knew a fellow teacher that got stabbed in the back with a knife, after turning to face the chalkboard during class.

I went to an upperclass public school (wasn't much crime or dumbshit because most kids had weathly career professionals for parents ... but there was a drug scene due to the kids having access to parental $$$$).
There is an absurd level of disrespecting the teacher that goes on (when they cannot see), and if you were a substitute teacher, the problem students had a field day. And this 'fark authority' attitude covers everything school-related.
So I am personally not surprised what this monitor had to go thru.

[Reliel]

It wasn't a day to day basis, not that that's an excuse or even acceptable in the first place, but the surrounding neighborhoods weren't exactly splendid.

[AnticorRifling]

The product of parents being more focused on blaming other people for their parenting problems then actually taking the time to raise their kids. Go Go MY BABY IS A FUCKING SNOWFLAKE AND I AM A PERFECT PARENT!!!!!

[Tgo01]

Oh yeah. People did baaaad shit to property and other students. Faculty was ALWAYS respected though.

Same with my school. I wouldn't say kids were afraid of the faculty or necessarily respected them but they still didn't treat them like shit. Sure they might talk back or something but that was about the extent of it.

Not going to say nothing bad happened at my school either but there certainly wasn't any fires being set. Also there was bullying and fights at my school among students but only one time I can recall where it was bad enough that someone was seriously injured.

[Atlanteax]

The product of parents being more focused on blaming other people for their parenting problems then actually taking the time to raise their kids. Go Go MY BABY IS A FUCKING SNOWFLAKE AND I AM A PERFECT PARENT!!!!!

No doubt this contributed to the increasing impotency of school administrators in being able to deal with problematic students.

[Latrinsorm]

I didn't know Latrin had kids living in Greece, NY?What?
The product of parents being more focused on blaming other people for their parenting problems then actually taking the time to raise their kids. Go Go MY BABY IS A FUCKING SNOWFLAKE AND I AM A PERFECT PARENT!!!!!Sometimes I read old Dave Barry books, which is relevant in this case because he specifically criticizes his own generation for that same parenting. He was born in 1947.

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

[Tgo01]

What?

Your post just sounded a lot like a "kids will be kids" statement so I just assumed the kids in question must be yours.

It's funny! Laugh!

[Stanley Burrell]

Man, I didn't even know this was a profession. So three things came to mind:

A) Children need more handheld video games with better graphics and cool shit to keep them pacified on the bus.

B) Both my grandmothers would slap the shit out of these kids and then throw them out the window one by one.

B-and-a-half) I'm not a grandmother yet, but can I have this job? Look, I'm good with kids. I'll steer their rage towards the bus driver as is proper in a civil society.

C) I forget, but remember how, like, we used to have to use that Game Boy attachment cable just to play Tetris and shit. I'm envious of these little shits.

[Latrinsorm]

Your post just sounded a lot like a "kids will be kids" statement so I just assumed the kids in question must be yours.

It's funny! Laugh!Oh.

You could say it was, but in less of a dismissive sense and more of a cynical sense.

Laughing is a sin. :|

[AnticorRifling]

What?Sometimes I read old Dave Barry books, which is relevant in this case because he specifically criticizes his own generation for that same parenting. He was born in 1947.

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The evidence is right in front of you. No accountability, not being allowed to be disciplined, thank the mothers of America. Don't you dare say a bad word to or about my precious loin fruit, don't you dare make him/her think he was ever wrong or not good enough.

Yeah I said loin fruit.

[Androidpk]

The evidence is right in front of you. No accountability, not being allowed to be disciplined, thank the mothers of America. Don't you dare say a bad word to or about my precious loin fruit, don't you dare make him/her think he was ever wrong or not good enough.

Yeah I said loin fruit.

This. I really think these kids, apparently there were 4 of them, should be sent to Parris Island for a week.

[Tgo01]

Two of the little shits apologized. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/21/karen-klein-bullying-video-bullies-apologize-to-bus-monitor_n_1617404.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl3|sec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D172159) Although in these situations I can't help but feel they are sorry they were caught, not sorry for what they did.

[Gelston]

Eh, they might have realized how bad they were based off the videos, and might have got involved due to peer pressure. It doesn't excuse them, and I generally don't trust the apologies of people after they have been caught.

[Latrinsorm]

The evidence is right in front of you. No accountability, not being allowed to be disciplined, thank the mothers of America. Don't you dare say a bad word to or about my precious loin fruit, don't you dare make him/her think he was ever wrong or not good enough.

Yeah I said loin fruit.I was talking about whether this happened before. All we know is that you old guys didn't personally do it (or similar), or personally know anyone who did it. It is imperative to weigh the impact of the information revolution any time you see something you never saw before.

For an analogy, remember that reddit child porn thing we were talking about in some other thread? We don't conclude from that that pedophilia en masse is a modern invention, why do we conclude such for disobedience en masse?

[AnticorRifling]

NOT MA BABY IT IS THE INFORMATIONS THAT IS EVIL!

I would wager, even without doing any research, that yes disobedience both physical and just in regards to common courtesy is on the rise and it's not on the rise becuase we've got awareness to it happening and it's not on the rise because it makes a good story.

I don't remember us talking about reddit and/or child pr0n mostly because I look at neither but I'm not sure disobedience as a lack of being raised properly as compared to someone's sexual urges is really an accurate analogy. I will, however, use this out of context to say that Latrin believes a child's upbringing determines if a child is straight and that you can train the gay away.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I personally think shit like this happens because just like Anticor said, parenting. I don't claim to be an angel, what kept me in line growing up was fear of disappointing my mother, and fear of getting in trouble with my father (and subsequent ass beating).

The children in that video have no respect for their elders, and I'd bet the worst punishment they've ever experienced was along the lines of having their gameboy taken away for an hour. I wouldn't talk to anyone that way today, would any of you?

The bullshit of it all, is that had Grandma stood up and laid down some ass whooping right there, she'd be prosecuted. In the end, I'm kind of glad she didn't, cause the kids will hopefully experience some awful backlash now. It's still bullshit though.

[Parkbandit]

I personally think shit like this happens because just like Anticor said, parenting. I don't claim to be an angel, what kept me in line growing up was fear of disappointing my mother, and fear of getting in trouble with my father (and subsequent ass beating).

The children in that video have no respect for their elders, and I'd bet the worst punishment they've ever experienced was along the lines of having their gameboy taken away for an hour. I wouldn't talk to anyone that way today, would any of you?

The bullshit of it all, is that had Grandma stood up and laid down some ass whooping right there, she'd be prosecuted. In the end, I'm kind of glad she didn't, cause the kids will hopefully experience some awful backlash now. It's still bullshit though.

Chances are their 'punishment' was a sit down discussion with their parents and a lengthy discussion about being respectful to others. The children will agree with their parents and everything will be swell.

[Atlanteax]

The bullshit of it all, is that had Grandma stood up and laid down some ass whooping right there, she'd be prosecuted.

Hence the broadly powerless school adminstrators/'authority' nowadays. =/

[Kitsun]

Chances are their 'punishment' was a sit down discussion with their parents and a lengthy discussion about being respectful to others. The children will agree with their parents and everything will be swell.

I could be wrong but with my limited reading of the link and subsequent updates is that 4chan is dishing out their own special brand of punishment.

For the entirety of their lives, they have a recording and hard proof of them being heartless shitheads to an elderly lady on the internet.

[diethx]

The indiegogo account is up to $625k. Can someone please come bully the shit out of me? Please?

[4a6c1]

Meh. I think their behavior is mostly parenting but at least 10 percent masculine posturing based off what society expects of them. Our culture expects (especially) men to believe "Fuck everyone who can't help themselves. The disadvantaged are disadvantaged because of their own stupid choices."

How would these children behave if it was driven into their minds to believe that people have worth beyond what they make for a living despite AGE, sexual orientation, race, nationality, religion, gender etc. But that's not what we value as a money driven society and we have only ourselves to blame for children who are blood thirsty and ready to feed on the weak. Of course they aren't going to respect a fucking bus driver. Old or young she's still a bus driver and this is the USA.

[Tgo01]

Meh. I think their behavior is mostly parenting but at least 10 percent masculine posturing based off what society expects of them. Our culture expects (especially) men to believe "Fuck everyone who can't help themselves. The disadvantaged are disadvantaged because of their own stupid choices."

How would these children behave if it was driven into their minds to believe that people have worth beyond what they make for a living despite AGE, sexual orientation, race, nationality, religion, gender etc. But that's not what we value as a money driven society and we have only ourselves to blame for children who are blood thirsty and ready to feed on the weak. Of course they aren't going to respect a fucking bus driver. Old or young she's still a bus driver and this is the USA.

Put down the "Eat the Rich" sign and back slowly away from the keyboard...

[4a6c1]

Hey I'm just telling it like it is. I enjoy my seat at the feast just like everyone else but reality is reality doooooood.

[4a6c1]

06-23-2012 07:57 PMThread: Bus monitor bullied by middle schoolers.
You are such a lesbian.

neg rep i received for the above post....heeee, my point is proven!!

[Drakefang]

06-23-2012 07:57 PMThread: Bus monitor bullied by middle schoolers.
You are such a lesbian.

neg rep i received for the above post....heeee, my point is proven!!

Can I watch?

[AnticorRifling]

Rojo is just lashing out at penis owners because she doesn't own one and she's jelly.

[diethx]

Rojo can own many penises. You only own one. What what.

[Some Rogue]

Rojo can own many penises. You only own one. What what.

Rubber ones don't count.

[AnticorRifling]

Rojo can own many penises. You only own one. What what.

A key that opens many locks is a master key. A lock that is opened by any ol' key is a shitty lock.

[Liagala]

A key that opens many locks is a master key. A lock that is opened by any ol' key is a shitty lock.
This one always annoys me. Why do girls have to be the damn lock in that comparison all the time? I want people to think I'm awesome for getting laid a lot, but noooooo. That can't happen. hmph.

[AnticorRifling]

The fact that I will have to show you or draw you a picture about the key to lock penis to vagina comparison scares me.

[diethx]

This one always annoys me. Why do girls have to be the damn lock in that comparison all the time? I want people to think I'm awesome for getting laid a lot, but noooooo. That can't happen. hmph.

It is awesome. Don't listen.

[4a6c1]

So soo sooooo happy with my vajayjay. Not jelly at all. I'm going to be a slutty old person too. Couldn't do that with pointy hardware! Hah!

[Liagala]

Not to totally derail the thread or anything, but aren't all feminists unhappy with some aspect of having a vagina? That would sort of be the point, wouldn't it? If you're perfectly happy being a woman in today's society, you wouldn't grump about men and how they have it better in all sorts of ways.

[4a6c1]

LOL

[Liagala]

That was an actual question, not a "let's pick on Rojo" comment. If you're perfectly content with having a vagina and all that comes with it, why fight the status quo?

[4a6c1]

That wasn't an informed or intelligent question and I'm not even sure how to dumb myself down to answer you. Sorry. :(

[Liagala]

So soo sooooo happy with my vajayjay. Not jelly at all.

If you're perfectly content with having a vagina and all that comes with it, why fight the status quo?
Doesn't sound all that dumb to me, but whatever floats your boat. I probably shouldn't derail the thread out of kids doing horrible things to that lady anyway.

[Androidpk]

Pretty sure one could enjoy being a female but not enjoy the way the world treats them. I'm sure Rojo has a lovely vagina that she thoroughly admires and enjoys.

[Liagala]

Pretty sure one could enjoy being a female but not enjoy the way the world treats them. I'm sure Rojo has a lovely vagina that she thoroughly admires and enjoys.
Unless I totally read the thread wrong, she was responding to Anticor and his "Rojo hates penis because she's a feminist" business. That includes the treatment of vagina-bearing people in the conversation, as far as I can see.

[4a6c1]

Dude, Lia...at first I thought you were joking. I know Anticor was joking. Jealous of penis. Really?

[diethx]

Mmm, penis.

Wait, what?

[Liagala]

Dude, Lia...at first I thought you were joking. I know Anticor was joking. Jealous of penis. Really?
Not the jealous, so much as the unhappy-with-having-a-vagina part. I didn't take the jealousy joke any more seriously than you did.

[Tgo01]

Everyone is jealous of my penis though. That's just a fact of life.

[Androidpk]

Everyone is jealous of my penis though. That's just a fact of life.

If everyone is jealous of your penis I can only imagine how they feel about MY penis. Just saying.

[diethx]

Tgo01 will have to send me a pic. Then I can compare, and share. You won't have to imagine!

[Androidpk]

Or you can just give me a verbal/textual report, that will be fine.

[diethx]

I meant share as in share my opinion. Not share the picture.

[Latrinsorm]

Not to totally derail the thread or anything, but aren't all feminists unhappy with some aspect of having a vagina? That would sort of be the point, wouldn't it? If you're perfectly happy being a woman in today's society, you wouldn't grump about men and how they have it better in all sorts of ways.If you are paid 0.74 on the dollar, this is not fundamentally a characteristic of having a vagina. It is a characteristic of the society you live in. It is possible to construct a society where vaginaed Americans receive equal pay, or even disproportionately higher pay.

There are also some delightful tangents we could go on with those that (successfully) pass as another gender or (moreso in years past) race. In those cases the anatomy is completely irrelevant to the societal treatment.

[AnticorRifling]

Until the groups that want equal treatment also stop asking for special treatment there will always be an issue. None of which has anything to do with these kids bullying this lady. Except for Rojo saying it's penis driven...which is retarded.

[Latrinsorm]

Surely you agree that our society influences us, no? That seems to be your fundamental point; that parenting has an impact on children. How many times does a child have to hear an adult whining about those bums on welfare before they start degrading the disadvantaged? Five? Six? Five? Five??? Surely the adult is no less fundamentally susceptible to those who have power over them than the child.

[Warriorbird]

Not to totally derail the thread or anything, but aren't all feminists unhappy with some aspect of having a vagina? That would sort of be the point, wouldn't it? If you're perfectly happy being a woman in today's society, you wouldn't grump about men and how they have it better in all sorts of ways.

So you like getting paid 80% of what a man with similar experience and education would? You one of those people that justifies it with "But I might get pregnant!"?

That aside, I'm pretty sure that picking on bus monitors isn't solely some guy quality and it's silly to suggest it.

[Showal]

Meh. I think their behavior is mostly parenting but at least 10 percent masculine posturing based off what society expects of them. Our culture expects (especially) men to believe "Fuck everyone who can't help themselves. The disadvantaged are disadvantaged because of their own stupid choices."

How would these children behave if it was driven into their minds to believe that people have worth beyond what they make for a living despite AGE, sexual orientation, race, nationality, religion, gender etc. But that's not what we value as a money driven society and we have only ourselves to blame for children who are blood thirsty and ready to feed on the weak. Of course they aren't going to respect a fucking bus driver. Old or young she's still a bus driver and this is the USA.

This is actually a really good point and I don't see it as saying it's because of their penis that they acted this way. I think this masculine posturing is affecting young girls in our society too and is part of the reason that we've been seeing such a dramatic increase in both the frequency and severity of girl violence.

We have quite a sheltered culture. People don't get out there and see that other people can manage to be intelligent, successful, and happy without all the measures of achievement that we typically see here in the US. We work our fucking fingers to the bone so we can take our two weeks a year off at home or the next state over. That's if we even take our vacation, because we're afraid the world with stop being able to function with us taking time off and actually enjoying our lives. So I agree with Rojo. With the priorities on self-worth that we see in our culture, isn't it only expected that our kids would see someone who doesn't have a nice car, a tv in each room, a nice purse, and a good figure as being worthless themselves? And being kids, who's really shocked that they vocalize what they think is worthless?

This harassment is fucked up, sure, but it's not simply a result of parenting, it's also a result of our culture at large mixed in with some mob mentality. That doesn't absolve the parents from their responsibility in the matter, at all. Good, strong parenting MAY have prevented this, but that mob mentality is quite a powerful influence. Now if all the participants had good parents, this would probably not have happened. Our culture in this aspect is pretty fucked up.

Lia .... come on, really? Feminism is a result of being unhappy with having a vagina? Really? And civil rights was a result of how unhappy black people are with having dark skin. I'm holding out here just waiting to find out that you don't actually think that and it's been a well composed joke.

[Liagala]

Lia .... come on, really? Feminism is a result of being unhappy with having a vagina? Really? And civil rights was a result of how unhappy black people are with having dark skin. I'm holding out here just waiting to find out that you don't actually think that and it's been a well composed joke.
The victims feminists fight for all have vaginas. It's a gender issue. Women are treated in a certain way merely because they're women. Those unhappy with being treated differently simply because they have a vagina become feminists. I fail to see how vaginas and gender inequality are not related. A feminist is unhappy being a woman in today's society, because she is unfairly treated because of her gender. A feminist is unhappy having a vagina in today's society, because she is unfairly treated because of her sexual organs. When men start having vaginas on a regular basis that will stop applying, but for now both sentences are accurate. I worded it the way I did because it was a reply to a post including the word vagina. If her post had used the word woman, I would have said that instead. Unless you want to start arguing that sexual organs are not the only characteristic that reliably separates all men from all women, what I said is fine. Inelegant perhaps, crude, maybe even inappropriate - but still accurate.

[Androidpk]

And you say i say stupid shit..

[Liagala]

Feel free to share another way to reliably separate men from women, if sexual organs aren't it. What else is there that in every single case, marks that this person as a man and that one as a woman?

[Showal]

Feel free to share another way to reliably separate men from women, if sexual organs aren't it. What else is there that in every single case, marks that this person as a man and that one as a woman?

DNA.

[Liagala]

Okay. Fine. A feminist is unhappy having her DNA in today's society, because she is unfairly treated because of her chromosomes.

Better?

[Showal]

The victims feminists fight for all have vaginas. It's a gender issue. Women are treated in a certain way merely because they're women. Those unhappy with being treated differently simply because they have a vagina become feminists. I fail to see how vaginas and gender inequality are not related. A feminist is unhappy being a woman in today's society, because she is unfairly treated because of her gender. A feminist is unhappy having a vagina in today's society, because she is unfairly treated because of her sexual organs. When men start having vaginas on a regular basis that will stop applying, but for now both sentences are accurate. I worded it the way I did because it was a reply to a post including the word vagina. If her post had used the word woman, I would have said that instead. Unless you want to start arguing that sexual organs are not the only characteristic that reliably separates all men from all women, what I said is fine. Inelegant perhaps, crude, maybe even inappropriate - but still accurate.

I think its a pretty narrow view to think the feminist is unhappy with the fact that she is a woman, and not with the way she is treated for simply being a woman.

[Reliel]

Feel free to share another way to reliably separate men from women, if sexual organs aren't it.

I say that we should bring people together. With sexual organs.

[AnticorRifling]

So you like getting paid 80% of what a man with similar experience and education would? You one of those people that justifies it with "But I might get pregnant!"?

That aside, I'm pretty sure that picking on bus monitors isn't solely some guy quality and it's silly to suggest it.

What do you mean "those people"? Racist.

[Reliel]

What do you mean "those people"? Racist.

3636

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I think its a pretty narrow view to think the feminist is unhappy with the fact that she is a woman, and not with the way she is treated for simply being a woman.

Would you say she is unhappy for not being treated like a man?

It's all semantics IMO, I get what Liagala is saying, I think. Not so much dislike of ones own gender, but in absence of gender, there is nothing to segment the two. So... it has to be gender specific. Just a different way of thinking of it is all. You could just as easily say a feminist is happy with a vagina, so long as no one knows they have it and think they have a penis and pay them like they have a penis and treat them like they have a penis. Or you could say treat them like a man.

I disagree with the statistics presented though, as women are NOT treated the same as men in the workforce, nor should they be, in my opinion. People should be paid on their individual merits is my personal opinion, and I also personally think we have a long way to go before women are included in all levels of a company and paid like men. I do think strides have been made and continue to be made, and that natural progression will get them there sooner rather than later though. Just look at the CEO's of the Fortune 500 to see a demographic and you'll see how disparate the field is against women, but it is improving.

[Liagala]

I think its a pretty narrow view to think the feminist is unhappy with the fact that she is a woman, and not with the way she is treated for simply being a woman.
That's a different argument entirely. Everyone's been jumping on me for semantics so far.

Women are treated differently because of their gender. Until that changes, being a woman = unequal treatment, just like how during the civil rights movement, having dark skin = unequal treatment. It is simply not possible to be a woman in today's society and be treated exactly the same way that a man is in all things. That will likely change in the future and a lot of people work hard to make it so, but right now being a woman and experiencing unequal treatment are firmly linked. That's why I said that a feminist is unhappy with being a woman in today's society and not just being a woman.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

That's a different argument entirely. Everyone's been jumping on me for semantics so far.

Women are treated differently because of their gender. Until that changes, being a woman = unequal treatment, just like how during the civil rights movement, having dark skin = unequal treatment. It is simply not possible to be a woman in today's society and be treated exactly the same way that a man is in all things. That will likely change in the future and a lot of people work hard to make it so, but right now being a woman and experiencing unequal treatment are firmly linked. That's why I said that a feminist is unhappy with being a woman in today's society and not just being a woman.

I think this is OK, for many things, myself. Pay, of course not. But women should get the pregnant parking spots I think, the room for pumping breast milk (I don't wanna see that shit and I'm sure they don't wanna put on a show either), those kinds of things. I also think simple respect like opening a door is OK, but I get some women don't like that (fuck them feminazi bitches!). But I think women should be treated differently than men, they are different.

Now, if a woman signed up for a UPS position, she should be able to move boxes and shit if she's a mail carrier, no special treatment there. But same shit applies to her re: being a woman. She gets preggers, she might be moved to something else or put on unpaid leave until she can do it again. Not lose her job. That's my position on it anyway.

[Drakefang]

But I think women should be treated differently than men, they are different.

Going hand in hand with this, women have breast cancer awareness month but there is no month for prostate cancer awareness, and the resulting amount of research into one is massively greater than the other. The point being, women are treated better in many regards over men. I agree, commensurate pay scaling is not one of them. In the same vein, however, I believe women and minorities are more likely to be hired over white men into entry level positions in our society now. In the end, almost no one is treated equally across the board.

At which point is it alright that we ARE treated differently because of whom we are? I wish I had an answer. At some point I think we need to accept that we, I, won't be treated exactly like person A or person B to Z because I am not them and they have a different skill set, body and mental/emotional capacity than I. I don't think we're there yet but I don't think we're dramatically far from it. Maybe I'm naive, beats me.

[Tgo01]

I've always been confused over the women get paid less than men argument. If it's as simple as we live in a sexist society that views women as less than men then why doesn't every company hire only women? Wouldn't they save 20% or more on salaries by not hiring any men at all? Or is there more to this argument that people don't really want to discuss or don't know about?

[Gelston]

Men get breast cancer too, so to say that is purely women is quite incorrect. I did a run/walk just last year for the Susan G Komen thing. There were quite a few male breast cancer survivor's there.


I've always been confused over the women get paid less than men argument. If it's as simple as we live in a sexist society that views women as less than men then why doesn't every company hire only women? Wouldn't they save 20% or more on salaries by not hiring any men at all? Or is there more to this argument that people don't really want to discuss or don't know about?

Women do get paid less, but from what I have also read is that the pay gap is a lot less when you account for extra benefits they receive. While not every woman will be taking advantage of this, it brings the average pay discrepancy for women up a lot.

[Tgo01]

Men get breast cancer too, so to say that is purely women is quite incorrect. I did a run/walk just last year for the Susan G Komen thing. There were quite a few male breast cancer survivor's there.

I think less than 1% of all breast cancer cases occur among men.


Women do get paid less

I'm not arguing against this because the many experts have shown this to be true and I'm not pretending I know more than the experts. However if the argument is as people always love to point out "women get paid less than men because society views them as less worthy than men" then why don't companies hire only women? Why would you hire a man and pay him 20% more than a woman for the exact same work?

[Liagala]

I'm not arguing against this because the many experts have shown this to be true and I'm not pretending I know more than the experts. However if the argument is as people always love to point out "women get paid less than men because society views them as less worthy than men" then why don't companies hire only women? Why would you hire a man and pay him 20% more than a woman for the exact same work?
Because court costs suck, and you so do not want to be "that company" that actually let a relatively young white male win a discrimination lawsuit for your unfair hiring practices.

[Gelston]

I think less than 1% of all breast cancer cases occur among men.

That is still 390 men dying a year, out of the 40,000 women dying every year. It may seem like it isn't substantial, but who is to say there won't be an emergence of breast cancer in men in the future? Still, my whole point of my comment was to say it isn't just a Women's month, and even if you aren't effected with it yourself, your mother, father, sisters, brothers, wife, husband, etc could be.

However, remember that the awarness month was started by a non-profit group. If you want a prostrate cancer awareness month, go organize like they did. I imagine you can have brown ribbons everywhere.




I'm not arguing against this because the many experts have shown this to be true and I'm not pretending I know more than the experts. However if the argument is as people always love to point out "women get paid less than men because society views them as less worthy than men" then why don't companies hire only women? Why would you hire a man and pay him 20% more than a woman for the exact same work?

I think part of the biggest reason women currently get paid less is because they are still catching up education wise and old prejudices still exist. I can see this gap narrowing, with women eventually surpassing men in earned income, due to more women graduating from college then men.

[Tgo01]

Because court costs suck, and you so do not want to be "that company" that actually let a relatively young white male win a discrimination lawsuit for your unfair hiring practices.

This argument doesn't really fly either. Why aren't more women (yes I know there are some lawsuits out there) suing companies since women receive less pay and the reason supposedly is because of their gender? It would be the same type of lawsuit of not hiring any men at all. And since most women don't sue their employers they can hire women who seem perfectly content with earning less than men and even if men do sue them I would think they would be ahead of the game. I also think it would be a harder case to prove that the company hired a woman over a man because of their gender than it would be to prove that a woman makes less than a man.

I just think there is more to it than society views women as subpar, Gelston touched on this in his post.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

This argument doesn't really fly either. Why aren't more women (yes I know there are some lawsuits out there) suing companies since women receive less pay and the reason supposedly is because of their gender? It would be the same type of lawsuit of not hiring any men at all. And since most women don't sue their employers they can hire women who seem perfectly content with earning less than men and even if men do sue them I would think they would be ahead of the game. I also think it would be a harder case to prove that the company hired a woman over a man because of their gender than it would be to prove that a woman makes less than a man.

I just think there is more to it than society views women as subpar, Gelston touched on this in his post.

The "women are paid less" quote is remarkably hard to prove. There are significant influences to salary that extend beyond the dollar an hour range. Obviously, benefits are just one of them. Think broader than that though. Most companies allow for paternity leave now, so maternity leave as a benefit really isn't an unequal benefit anymore.

Societal influences are the things I'm thinking of when I mentioned earlier that I don't buy the women are paid less mantra. One thing that influences very heavily is career. Many fields require X years of experience right? And as you get more and more tenure/experience in your job, your pay goes up. When I was a child, we moved to accommodate my FATHER's job. In other words, he was the bread winner, and we moved when his job demanded it. My Mom would quit her job and start a new one where ever we moved too. Sometimes it was in the same field, sometimes not. Sometimes a step forward, sometimes not (for her).

Studies today show that many women are taking breaks from work to be stay at home mothers of their children. Not a bad thing, but but it doesn't help their CAREER. Anyone who's hired a person, knows that gaps in a resume don't look good. Experience and abilities, like anything else, need to be practiced and used to maintain their edge. We are seeing the same thing today with the unemployed.

I'm not saying it's the sole reason women are paid less than men on average, the same studies (and no, I don't remember where I read this, so I'm afraid I cannot substantiate it) showed that like aged women who had not had children or hadn't taken off work to raise children made the same amount or more than like aged men. The studies actually showed that young, entry and mid-level white collar women made more than men in the same fields with the same backgrounds. I believe it too, because frankly I think women can get around the chest beating and ego bullshit to get stuff done.

There is a glass ceiling though. The top executive level positions are still the good ol' boys club, with few exceptions.

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I must be the only person in the world who thinks this is no big deal. Just a bunch of stupid kids doing what kids do.

How long has this woman been working with kids that age that she didn't know they were little shits? Maybe she just had a bad day overall and tried the sympathy card. Looks like it worked on everyone except the kids.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I must be the only person in the world who thinks this is no big deal. Just a bunch of stupid kids doing what kids do.

How long has this woman been working with kids that age that she didn't know they were little shits? Maybe she just had a bad day overall and tried the sympathy card. Looks like it worked on everyone except the kids.

Every time you post, I think you cannot be more ignorant or stupid.

And then you go and out-do yourself later on.

[Bobmuhthol]

The "women are paid less" quote is remarkably hard to prove.

It's remarkably easy to prove, and is proven. In industries without a gender bias (accounting, law, whatever), men and women are hired about evenly and paid the same starting salary. Within a few years, men are promoted more often and are given larger raises and bonuses. If it makes the statistic easier to swallow, think of it as men being paid more instead of women being paid less. Men are, on average, more aggressive negotiators and therefore go farther within a company.

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Every time you post, I think you cannot be more ignorant or stupid.

And then you go and out-do yourself later on.

If after however many years of you reading my posts still surprises you I posit that I am not the ignorant or stupid one.

[Latrinsorm]

I've always been confused over the women get paid less than men argument. If it's as simple as we live in a sexist society that views women as less than men then why doesn't every company hire only women?Because we live in a sexist society that views women as less than men.

[Tgo01]

Because we live in a sexist society that views women as less than men.

Then why do these companies hire women to begin with?

[Latrinsorm]

Because they do not view women as literally nothing.

[Tgo01]

Because they do not view women as literally nothing.

So they view them as cheap labor? Going back to my original point then, why hire men at all? I hear businesses actually prefer hiring someone to work for 12 dollars an hour over someone who is willing to work for 10 dollars an hour for the exact same job with the exact same qualifications.

[Latrinsorm]

If you are hypothetically of the belief that women are inferior to a degree, you are necessarily of the belief that they are not doing the exact same job. Rather, you are of the belief that they are doing an inferior job, and it naturally follows that you would pay them accordingly.

[Bobmuhthol]

Tgo01, is this some sort of made up thought experiment using made up rules, or are you actually trying to understand why American businesses hire women?

[Tgo01]

If you are hypothetically of the belief that women are inferior to a degree, you are necessarily of the belief that they are not doing the exact same job. Rather, you are of the belief that they are doing an inferior job, and it naturally follows that you would pay them accordingly.

Uh-huh...


Tgo01, is this some sort of made up thought experiment using made up rules, or are you actually trying to understand why American businesses hire women?

I'm trying to understand if it's as simple as women = inferior to men therefore we pay women less then from a business standpoint why do they hire men at all? Businesses are in the business of making money right?

[Parkbandit]

Hey I'm just telling it like it is. I enjoy my seat at the feast just like everyone else but reality is reality doooooood.

Your reality is to blame all bad on the penis, the rich and the Republicans.

Thankfully, the sane people of the world don't share your reality.

[Bobmuhthol]

1. It's obviously not as simple as women = inferior to men therefore we pay women less, and no one should have ever made that claim if they did.
2. Even if women were inferior, Latrinsorm was dead on: you can't make any more money by hiring inferior workers for the simple fact that they are inferior. You'd reasonably pay both genders a fair wage, which means more to men, less to women, and the same profit from both.
3. There are laws against only hiring one gender.
4. There are social costs to discrimination, and those social costs are very easily converted into lost revenue.
5. Maybe your point is that the explanation isn't simple. We, as a society, already know that.

[Tgo01]

1. It's obviously not as simple as women = inferior to men therefore we pay women less, and no one should have ever made that claim if they did.

Pretty sure that's the exact argument Latrinsorm has been making, as well as a couple of other people mentioning it.


5. Maybe your point is that the explanation isn't simple.

That's pretty much exactly the point I'm trying to make.


We, as a society, already know that.

Maybe as a society we realize it's not that simple but there are plenty of people who think women get paid less simply because they have a vagina.

[Bobmuhthol]

I will speak for Latrinsorm and say that he, like me, can argue a point a priori (very few people seem to be able to handle this). I think I know him well enough to know that he would never make a claim that women are inferior to men.

Your point of "if women are inferior to men, then why isn't it true that ..." happens to be easily refuted by explanations pointing back to the original assumption: that women are inferior to men. Don't assume it, and those arguments cease to exist.


there are plenty of people who think women get paid less simply because they have a vagina.

Fuck 'em.

[Tgo01]

I think I know him well enough to know that he would never make a claim that women are inferior to men.

I never said Latrin thinks women are inferior to men, he's making the point that women get paid less because OTHER people think women are inferior to men.


Fuck 'em.

Again I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. There are a lot of people who think the reason women get paid less than men is because women have a vagina but that doesn't mean they agree with the notion that women are inferior.

[Bobmuhthol]

Maybe I misunderstood you on Latrinsorm's valuation of women (although he still, as far as I can tell and hope, is not using other people's perception of inferiority as an actual explanation of wage disparity), but I did in fact mean fuck people who are stupid enough to think that the reason women get paid less is because they have a vagina.

[Reliel]

Fuck 'em.

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If you don't get it, I'm disappointed.

[Bobmuhthol]

Can't rep you again. Keep up the topical image responses, I love it.

[Latrinsorm]

I never said Latrin thinks women are inferior to men, he's making the point that women get paid less because OTHER people think women are inferior to men.



Again I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. There are a lot of people who think the reason women get paid less than men is because women have a vagina but that doesn't mean they agree with the notion that women are inferior.I was making the point that it is internally consistent to believe that women get paid less because other people think women are inferior to men, and if you think I'm afraid to make an even more wordy and prolonged sentence you, sir, are sadly mistaken.

Whether it is actually the case, merely contributes to the case, or is unrelated to the case, I don't know. I do not find the other suggested causes as compelling.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

It's remarkably easy to prove, and is proven. In industries without a gender bias (accounting, law, whatever), men and women are hired about evenly and paid the same starting salary. Within a few years, men are promoted more often and are given larger raises and bonuses. If it makes the statistic easier to swallow, think of it as men being paid more instead of women being paid less. Men are, on average, more aggressive negotiators and therefore go farther within a company.[/COLOR]

I disagree, not with the results, but with the methodology. A more clear thing for me to have said would have been that the women are paid less quote is remarkably hard to prove to be based solely on them being paid less than men because they are women, and not other influencing factors. I don't think the statistic is sound.

The government itself says "The statistic does not take into account differences in experience, skill, occupation, education or hours worked, as long as it qualifies as full-time work."

As far as your thoughts on promotions and salary within the first few years, I think your experience outside a textbook will vary. Most places use a merit based STI system for compensation which is typically bound by a budget and a distribution model, and promotions are so situational comparison is nearly impossible (i.e. how would you compare a man promoted from program manager to compensation consultant versus the woman database analyst promoted to data architect III - these are both real world promotions at my company where the pay band is the same and the salary band min is 75k and max is 160k, not including STI or LTI).

[diethx]

Fuck me, I feel like I need to guinea pig my own thread.

[Bobmuhthol]

As far as your thoughts on promotions and salary within the first few years, I think your experience outside a textbook will vary.

I have no idea what you said past this sentence, but "my thoughts" don't come from a textbook: they come from research. You're quoting the government and simultaneously ignoring economists' papers? Strange choice.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Fuck me, I feel like I need to guinea pig my own thread.

This thread is, sadly, dildos.

[Bobmuhthol]

I am just drunk enough that my interpretation of this thread is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxdcvd4nHL1qjujb8o1_250.gif so I find it hard to believe that it is dildos. Let's party. http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxdcvd4nHL1qjujb8o1_250.gif

[Reliel]

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[diethx]

This thread is, sadly, dildos.

sigh. So true.


I am just drunk enough that my interpretation of this thread is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxdcvd4nHL1qjujb8o1_250.gif so I find it hard to believe that it is dildos. Let's party. http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxdcvd4nHL1qjujb8o1_250.gif

I see you, and raise you this http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Crazy_ab3cfc_1335145.gif

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm a person who rejects people trying to disprove well proven statistics because they're uncomfortable since they challenge their views (SHM) ist. Get it right!

Have you even read the studies or what I'm saying? Here are some direct quotes from the GAO.


In attempting to explain the discrepancies in pay between men and women, the GAO concluded:


Women in the workforce are also less likely to work a full-time schedule and are more likely to leave the labor force for longer periods of time than men, further suppressing women's wages. These differing work patterns lead to an even larger earnings gap between men and women - suggesting that working women are penalized for their dual roles as wage earners and those who disproportionately care for home and family.



Men with children appear to get an earnings boost, whereas women lose earnings. Men with children earn about 2% more on average than men without children, according to the GAO findings, whereas women with children earn about 2.5% less than women without children.



Women have fewer years of work experience.


If you took the word women out of that and were looking at 2 resumes, and one has a full time schedule, the other doesn't, one has solid periods of work experience and the other has gaps in their history, one has years more of experience than the other, which would you pay more?

My whole objection is that the 77% bullshit is just a soundbite meant to incite the mindless rabble (Warriorbird) who flock to a topic not knowing wtf they are talking about. I don't debate women are paid less. My objection is that it is not really representative of the underlying problem which is more evolved than just "discrimination".

[Back]

Have you even read the studies or what I'm saying? Here are some direct quotes from the GAO.


If you took the word women out of that and were looking at 2 resumes, and one has a full time schedule, the other doesn't, one has solid periods of work experience and the other has gaps in their history, one has years more of experience than the other, which would you pay more?

My whole objection is that the 77% bullshit is just a soundbite meant to incite the mindless rabble (Warriorbird) who flock to a topic not knowing wtf they are talking about. I don't debate women are paid less. My objection is that it is not really representative of the underlying problem which is more evolved than just "discrimination".

Says the guy with cat balls as his avatar.

[AnticorRifling]

SHM you have to ignore sex in your example or you're being a sexist and discriminating in your employment/screening/hiring practices but if you ignore sex then you're being fair and that, in this example, means you're clearly a sexist pig.

[Parkbandit]

Have you even read the studies or what I'm saying? Here are some direct quotes from the GAO.


If you took the word women out of that and were looking at 2 resumes, and one has a full time schedule, the other doesn't, one has solid periods of work experience and the other has gaps in their history, one has years more of experience than the other, which would you pay more?

My whole objection is that the 77% bullshit is just a soundbite meant to incite the mindless rabble (Warriorbird) who flock to a topic not knowing wtf they are talking about. I don't debate women are paid less. My objection is that it is not really representative of the underlying problem which is more evolved than just "discrimination".

http://freebeacon.com/senate-dems-betray-lilly/

[Liagala]

http://freebeacon.com/senate-dems-betray-lilly/
I read this link as "free bacon dot com" at first. I was disappointed when I clicked it. :(

[Parkbandit]

I read this link as "free bacon dot com" at first. I was disappointed when I clicked it. :(

Let me fix that frowny face:

Candied Bacon

Ingredients

12 slices bacon, about 1/4-inch thick
Finely ground black pepper
1/3 cup light brown sugar
Equipment: 2 baking sheets, preferably the same size

DirectionsPreheat the oven to 325 degrees F.
Put bacon slices in a bowl, season them with pepper and toss with the brown sugar. Cover a baking sheet with parchment or foil and arrange the bacon in a single layer on top. Sprinkle any sugar left in the bowl over the bacon. Top with another layer of parchment or foil and top it, squarely, with another baking sheet. The baking sheet will flatten the bacon as it cooks.
Place the tray in the center of the oven and bake for 20 minutes. Check the bacon by lifting the top tray and parchment. If it is not golden brown and fairly crispy, resist the temptation to turn up the oven temperature, and cook it for 10 to 15 minutes longer. Check it again. Keep in mind that when you remove the tray and transfer the bacon to a serving platter or individual plates, the bacon will "crisp" up a little more. Be patient!

http://www.savory.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/candied-bacon.jpg

[Liagala]

http://www.funnymonkeysite.com/pictures/Huge_Smile.jpg

http://fengshuigooddeeds.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/smiley_big_smile2.gif

[Reliel]

PB...

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You can use the bacon grease to also fry up some french fries. Or you can take your potatoes, clean them up real good, roll them in the grease and then throw them in the oven for some bacon flavored potato goodness.

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Black pepper AND brown sugar???

[Parkbandit]

Black pepper AND brown sugar???

Search recipes with black pepper and brown sugar


About 15,400,000 results

[RichardCranium]

HEY HEY, HO HO...

Yup.

[Bobmuhthol]

My whole objection is that the 77% bullshit is just a soundbite meant to incite the mindless rabble (Warriorbird) who flock to a topic not knowing wtf they are talking about.

Hang out with reasonable feminists for a day and you might change your opinion.


Search recipes with black pepper and brown sugar

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Thread: Bus monitor bullied by middle schoolers. (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?73123-Bus-monitor-bullied-by-middle-schoolers&p=1429754#post1429754)
that kid looks like you, only not as gross or creepy

Spot on.

[Gelston]

So about bullies on buses....

[g++]

I read an interesting book by Betty Friedan the other day that I think had valuable insight into the nature of bus bullying and the cure : Vacations.

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Bus bullies?

[Warriorbird]

Have you even read the studies or what I'm saying? Here are some direct quotes from the GAO.


If you took the word women out of that and were looking at 2 resumes, and one has a full time schedule, the other doesn't, one has solid periods of work experience and the other has gaps in their history, one has years more of experience than the other, which would you pay more?

My whole objection is that the 77% bullshit is just a soundbite meant to incite the mindless rabble (Warriorbird) who flock to a topic not knowing wtf they are talking about. I don't debate women are paid less. My objection is that it is not really representative of the underlying problem which is more evolved than just "discrimination".

Wow you're a moron. Please tell me when that was what I cited or even what anybody stated. There's a tremendous swath of research, both economic and otherwise, that points to the differences between male and female pay even with similar experience and education.


Even accounting for factors such as occupation, industry, race, marital status and job tenure, reports the GAO, working women today earn an average of 80 cents for every dollar earned by their male counterparts.

With that said, you're cherrypicking said GAO report (which accounts for all the stuff you complain about) because you don't want to believe in the idea of a level playing field not existing for women or minorities. It hurts your belief that you're a "Good guy." Now, if the study had been about fat people you'd have defended it to your last breath.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Wow you're a moron. Please tell me when that was what I cited or even what anybody stated. There's a tremendous swath of research, both economic and otherwise, that points to the differences between male and female pay even with similar experience and education.

I love it. It's from the 2010 GAO report you dumb fuck, the most recent government study.

http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-10-1064T brief summary
http://www.gao.gov/assets/130/125312.pdf testimony to congress
http://www.gao.gov/assets/130/125314.html the accessible text


With that said, you're cherrypicking said GAO report (which accounts for all the stuff you complain about) because you don't want to believe in the idea of a level playing field not existing for women or minorities. It hurts your belief that you're a "Good guy." Now, if the study had been about fat people you'd have defended it to your last breath.

It doesn't account for "all the stuff I complain about". Look closely at the statistics on women managers without children. They seem to fair better don't they? Lends a little credence to my argument, wouldn't you say?

I'm not sure what your last two statements have to do with jack shit here, I'm used to your usual deflection when you have no argument so I'll just ignore them.

Answer me this though, is it because it's me posting that I agree there is a pay difference but don't agree with the current popular reasoning behind it, that you are throwing a titty fit, or something else? Because as far as the pay difference, to use your term, we are both "good guys"... Just wondering.

[Reliel]

So about bullies on buses....

I remember tripping and headbutting this senior who was known to be an asshole right in the mouth. Come to find out later he was talking about my behind my back before then.

Sometimes...things just fall into place.

[Showal]

I remember tripping and headbutting this senior who was known to be an asshole right in the mouth. Come to find out later he was talking about my behind my back before then.

Sometimes...things just fall into place.

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[Tgo01]

I remember tripping and headbutting this senior who was known to be an asshole right in the mouth. Come to find out later he was talking about my behind my back before then.

Sometimes...things just fall into place.

I get it!

[Reliel]

(Smartass) post
Glad to see I got the (dis)approval of the red ninja clan.

Now all I need is approval from the others.

[diethx]

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also, hahahah Showal

[Warriorbird]

I remember tripping and headbutting this senior who was known to be an asshole right in the mouth. Come to find out later he was talking about my behind my back before then.

Sometimes...things just fall into place.

Showal, your favorite guy is back.

[Reliel]

Showal, your favorite guy is back.

I feel like I'm missing the joke.

[Warriorbird]

I feel like I'm missing the joke.

Bricks.

[Reliel]

Bricks.

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[Showal]

Glad to see I got the (dis)approval of the red ninja clan.

Now all I need is approval from the others.

I should thank you for taking a risk and posting a very slightly related post about how tough you are.
I'm pretty sure I understand who I'm dealing with now.

[thefarmer]

http://chzparentingfails.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/crazy-parenting-fails-you-dont-want-none-of-this1.jpg

[Reliel]

I should thank you for taking a risk and posting a very slightly related post about how tough you are.
I'm pretty sure I understand who I'm dealing with now.

If you need to know how much I can bench, it's on my myspace profile.

[Warriorbird]

If you need to know how much I can bench, it's on my myspace profile.

How much can Daragonians bench?

[Reliel]

How much can Daragonians bench?

I googled Daragonian and got ponies.

Am I doing it wrong?

[diethx]

Following individual meetings this week with school and district administrators, each family waived their right to a hearing and agreed to one-year suspensions from school and regular bus transportation.

In addition, each of the four children will be required to complete 50 hours of community service with senior citizens and complete an anti-bullying program. The boys have also issued apologies to Klein.

Not a bad punishment. A whole year suspension? So what, they're home schooled for a year I guess? I've never heard of one that long, but cool I guess. So long as the parents don't let them fuck around on the computer and watch TV/play xbox all day.

[Parkbandit]

Not a bad punishment. A whole year suspension? So what, they're home schooled for a year I guess? I've never heard of one that long, but cool I guess. So long as the parents don't let them fuck around on the computer and watch TV/play xbox all day.

No, they are going to another school in Rochester, NY. I think a year is a bit excessive, but whatever.

[Gelston]

A year is excessive. We have had people banned from the bus for a year, or sent to another school for a year. We have a school here that is specifically made for kids who get kicked out of their regular school, as you can imagine, it is a very bad school.

[AnticorRifling]

It should be a bad school. If you're a fuck ass and can't follow simple rules then go enjoy being with your ilk. Hopefully they teach things like "What you can and can't say during visiting hours" "How trade smokes for snickers" "Staying within your parole while looking for work" etc.