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Parkbandit
06-20-2012, 04:10 PM
President Obama on Wednesday asserted executive privilege over documents sought by a House committee (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/house-committee/) in its investigation of the botched “Fast and Furious” operation.The last-minute move came just before the start of a scheduled hearing by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/house-oversight-and-government-reform-committee/) on a contempt of Congress (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/congress/) citation against Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/eric-h-holder-jr/), who has refused since October to honor a committee subpoena seeking the documents.In a letter to Rep. Darrell E. Issa (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/darrell-e-issa/), California Republican and the committee (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/government-reform-committee/)’s chairman, Deputy Attorney General James Cole (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/james-cole/) said the privilege applies to documents that explain how the department learned there were problems with the Fast and Furious operation, which allowed more than 2,000 weapons to be “walked” to drug smugglers in Mexico (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/mexico/).“We regret that we have arrived at this point, after the many steps we have taken to address the committee (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/government-reform-committee/)’s concerns and to accommodate the committee (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/government-reform-committee/)’s legitimate oversight interests,” Mr. Cole (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/james-cole/) said.Mr. Issa (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/darrell-e-issa/) said the president’s “untimely assertion” of executive privilege “falls short of any reason to delay today’s proceedings,” concerning the contempt citation. He also questioned why the president now was asserting executive privilege more than eight months after the documents originally were subpoenaed.Mr. Boehner (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/john-boehner/)’s press secretary,Brendan Buck (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/brendan-buck/), said that until now “everyone believed that the decisions regarding Fast and Furious were confined to theDepartment of Justice (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/department-of-justice/). The White House (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/white-house/) decision to invoke executive privilege implies that White House (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/white-house/)officials were either involved in the Fast and Furious operation or the cover-up that followed.House Speaker John A. Boehner (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/john-boehner/), Ohio Republican, questioned theWhite House (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/white-house/)’s claim of executive privilege.“The administration has always insisted that wasn’t the case. Were they lying, or are they now bending the law to hide the truth?” he asked.“This is a very sad day for the United States of America,” said Rep. John L. Mica (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/john-l-mica/), Florida Republican, concerning the president’s assertion of executive privilege. “There is no way this committee is not entitled to these documents.”A contempt vote against Mr. Holder (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/eric-h-holder-jr/) became likely after he and Mr. Issa (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/darrell-e-issa/)failed to reach an agreement over turning over the documents during a 20-minute meeting Tuesday on Capitol Hill. Mr. Holder (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/eric-h-holder-jr/) did not turn over any records at the meeting and later told reporters he would not turn over Fast and Furious documents unless Mr. Issa (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/darrell-e-issa/) agreed to another meeting, where he said he would explain what is in the materials.Mr. Holder (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/eric-h-holder-jr/) said he wanted an assurance from Mr. Issa (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/darrell-e-issa/) that the transfer of the records would satisfy the committee (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/government-reform-committee/)’s subpoena.“I had hoped that after this evening’s meeting I would be able to tell you that the department (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/department-of-justice/) had delivered documents that would justify the postponement of tomorrow’s vote on contempt,” Mr. Issa (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/darrell-e-issa/) said. “Thedepartment (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/department-of-justice/) told the committee (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/government-reform-committee/) on Thursday that it had documents it could produce that would answer our questions.”Sen. Chuck Grassley (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/chuck-grassley/) of Iowa, ranking Republican on the SenateJudiciary Committee (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/judiciary-committee/), who first began the Fast and Furious investigation, said the assertion by the White House (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/white-house/) of executive privilege raises “monumental questions.”“How can the president assert executive privilege if there was no White House (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/white-house/) involvement? How can the president exert executive privilege over documents he’s supposedly never seen? Is something very big being hidden to go to this extreme? The contempt citation is an important procedural mechanism in our system of checks and balances,” he said.“The questions from Congress (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/congress/) go to determining what happened in a disastrous government program for accountability and so that it’s never repeated again,” he said.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/20/obama-asserts-executive-privilege-over-ff-docs/

There has been a tendency for this administration to try and hide behind Executive Privilege every time there is something a little shaky taking place and I think this administration would be best served by coming clean on this. There doesn't seem to be any national security issues involved. There doesn't seem to be any justification for not offering up some clear or plausible rationale for not producing the documentation that is being requested by the House Committee. I think the American People deserve to know what was going on there.

Kerranger
06-20-2012, 04:35 PM
Also, this:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/committee-votes-hold-eric-holder-contempt-over-fast-202646073.html

Tgo01
06-20-2012, 04:42 PM
Four more years! Four more years! Four mor...wait...

Androidpk
06-20-2012, 04:42 PM
Yeah, that doesn't look the slightest bit shady on the White House.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
06-20-2012, 04:47 PM
I just think it speaks volumes about how impotent Congress is that the AG can essentially tell them to fuck off for 18 months and produce nothing, answer no questions, and not take the 5th. When it came down to brass tacks, Obama bailed him out, giving Congress the finger again.

I don't think there's any big conspiracy here, and think the whole fucking thing is blown out of proportion (certainly not something Holder should lose his job over), but didn't Obama campaign on transparency in 2008? The whole thing stinks - it's a waste of time and resources by everyone (both parties) involved.

2000 guns. I'm not 100% positive, but to me, that seems like fucking peanuts in terms of # of guns relative to the issues along our borders. When this first came up someone with balls should have said it was a failed program and let it go. Someone died, yes - that's horrific, yes. A whistleblower caught it, stopped it, and oversight should be working to fix it now, but can't because it's politics and the AG won't produce records for fear of more political backlash. Now Obama is involved, so it's just going to be 12 more months of bullshit and posturing.

The whole thing is retarded. I sincerely wish there was a surefire way of getting to the truth of things :/

Tgo01
06-20-2012, 04:51 PM
but didn't Obama campaign on transparency in 2008?

That's the main issue for me.

Parkbandit
06-20-2012, 04:58 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/us/obama-claims-executive-privilege-in-gun-case.html?pagewanted=all

Isn't it nice when you make up one hundred percent bullshit, PB? Then again, hardly a surprise where you're concerned.

Take that part out.. and what do you think about the situation?

Parkbandit
06-20-2012, 04:59 PM
I just think it speaks volumes about how impotent Congress is that the AG can essentially tell them to fuck off for 18 months and produce nothing, answer no questions, and not take the 5th. When it came down to brass tacks, Obama bailed him out, giving Congress the finger again.

I don't think there's any big conspiracy here, and think the whole fucking thing is blown out of proportion (certainly not something Holder should lose his job over), but didn't Obama campaign on transparency in 2008? The whole thing stinks - it's a waste of time and resources by everyone (both parties) involved.

2000 guns. I'm not 100% positive, but to me, that seems like fucking peanuts in terms of # of guns relative to the issues along our borders. When this first came up someone with balls should have said it was a failed program and let it go. Someone died, yes - that's horrific, yes. A whistleblower caught it, stopped it, and oversight should be working to fix it now, but can't because it's politics and the AG won't produce records for fear of more political backlash. Now Obama is involved, so it's just going to be 12 more months of bullshit and posturing.

The whole thing is retarded. I sincerely wish there was a surefire way of getting to the truth of things :/

I still don't get why they did Fast and Furious. What was the end game? To say "AH HAH!" to Mexican drug lords when they were caught with these guns?

Suppa Hobbit Mage
06-20-2012, 05:07 PM
I still don't get why they did Fast and Furious. What was the end game? To say "AH HAH!" to Mexican drug lords when they were caught with these guns?

No idea. I'm sure there was a reason though, getting the documents might help folks to understand what that reason was...

People have bad ideas all the time - you shouldn't punish people for bad ideas. Maybe for implementing bad ideas or not doing the due diligence to see it was a bad idea - but not that it was a bad idea. You can't kill the creative process. Success depends on innovation - so maybe there was something to the program we don't see/understand. But that has nothing to do with the whole investigation. Now it's just politics. Doesn't matter why anymore, someone is getting hung out for it now though.

Parkbandit
06-20-2012, 05:17 PM
There has been a tendency for this administration to try and hide behind Executive Privilege every time there is something a little shaky taking place and I think this administration would be best served by coming clean on this. There doesn't seem to be any national security issues involved. There doesn't seem to be any justification for not offering up some clear or plausible rationale for not producing the documentation that is being requested by the House Committee. I think the American People deserve to know what was going on there.

I guess I only caught one turd with this bait...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpwYh9TD6Nc&feature=youtu.be

Androidpk
06-20-2012, 05:19 PM
No idea. I'm sure there was a reason though, getting the documents might help folks to understand what that reason was...

People have bad ideas all the time - you shouldn't punish people for bad ideas. Maybe for implementing bad ideas or not doing the due diligence to see it was a bad idea - but not that it was a bad idea. You can't kill the creative process. Success depends on innovation - so maybe there was something to the program we don't see/understand. But that has nothing to do with the whole investigation. Now it's just politics. Doesn't matter why anymore, someone is getting hung out for it now though.

It was more than just a bad idea, it was downright horrible. You'd be silly to think it only resulted in one person dying.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
06-20-2012, 05:28 PM
It was more than just a bad idea, it was downright horrible. You'd be silly to think it only resulted in one person dying.

I think it's very hard to attribute even one death solely to this program myself. I doubt very much they (drug dealers, scoff laws, whatever) wouldn't be able to procure alternative weapons were the 2000 not available. It's silly to think this program was the catalyst for anyone dying. Couldn't you blame it on the failure of the education system to teach our children not to do drugs over the course of the past 50 years as well? Or the Mexican government for not managing their own border better? Or any number of other ridiculous things? The federal law enforcement agent killed in the line of duty was just as at risk on any other day before the program began I would imagine, is my point. Not the ridiculousness of our education programs impact of drug use.

Androidpk
06-28-2012, 05:51 PM
Holder in contempt. Now what?

Parkbandit
06-28-2012, 06:09 PM
Holder in contempt. Now what?

First AG to ever be found in Contempt of Congress. Another highlight on Obama's resume.

Hopefully, they can get to the bottom of why Obama would use Executive Privilege for documents pertaining to Fast and Furious... given that he claims he heard about it from the news.

Either he's lying and he was involved in the decision making process or he's covering up for his pal Holder.

4a6c1
06-28-2012, 10:11 PM
Yo dawg I heard you like laws so I got you some Holder so you can break the law while you fix the law.