Psinet Moderators - Immature? Under Age?

[xShadowMerchantx]

So this person Barumples has been harassing me over the last few days and I'm kind of getting tired of him.

Are your Psinet moderators out of control? Ban happy?


[Private]-Barumples: "are you 100% sure you aren't Geoffani.....I'm asking you one last time to fess up"
[Private]-Barumples: "so if i find out you are him, I can ban you from psinet?"
[Private]-Barumples: "just making sure because if you are him you shouldn't be on psinet"
[Private]-Barumples: "so your telling me your SN isn't gs4 spyre..your email isn't Spyre"
[Private]-Barumples: "and you didn't want to buy an alter spot from me to get a wand holster done?"
[Private]-Barumples: "hmmm, okay if you say so. Apolagies for now until I get to the bottom of this"

Geoffani's in the game... while I'm in the game.. Hello! I'm not him!


>find geoff
Brave Adventurer Questing:

Geoffani


To top it all off... I've asked him multiple times Why he insists but he won't tell me anything. Is there something I'm missing?

[Artha]

Geoffani's in the game... while I'm in the game.. Hello! I'm not him!

It is possible to have two accounts.

[crazymage]

mebbe you shouldnt edit out what you say

[Sean]

Your psinet moderators?

This isn't Jamus private boards or anything. Psinet has no actual link with the PC either.

[Edaarin]

Yeah, and you're not at all retarded for referencing Edaarin/Edarin in game, neither of whom you've met. :rolleyes:

[GSLeloo]

Barumples is just annoying.

[Betheny]

Jamus made a bad choice in all his moderators.

[crazymage]

Nakiro is fine, so is barumples usually i have a feeling this guy isnt sayin whole story. but jeno/tayre bad mods.

[Varsus]

So far I have not met a single Psinet mod who does not abuse there abilities.

Watch... Ill get banned for having beliefs other than those of the psinet mods.

-Varsus

Edited to add how i hate the way psinet has evolved into peoples personal pet peeves.

[Edited on 7-6-2004 by Varsus]

[Betheny]

I could probably be a mod, but I could care less. I'd rather not have to deal with people going OMFG HOW UNFAIR BLAAAAH

[xShadowMerchantx]

My responses to him were.. No, I'm not him and What happened that you're so adament about getting this person.

Barumples can verify or deny that I guess.

[Artha]

Geoffani was like solescape, but more retarded. Personally, I'm glad they'd ban you, if you happen to be him.

Observe. (http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=7097)

[Edited on 7-6-2004 by Artha]

[GSLeloo]

People actually do that, Maimara? I figured it's basically like a chat room, you don't need moderators....

[Betheny]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
People actually do that, Maimara? I figured it's basically like a chat room, you don't need moderators....

Heh.

I d on't know if they do or not, but th ey would. I imagine that when anyone gets power over the masses and they freak out y ou would lose trust. I wouldn't use mod powers. But some of those people do.

[GSLeloo]

The only people I'd ban were the ones making jokes about like raping little girls. Like a lot of jokes.

[Artha]

PsiNet has rules. Jamus can't be around to enforce these all the time. Ergo, moderators.

[JamusPsi]

.>So far I have not met a single Psinet mod who does not abuse there abilities.<<

This is not abuse. Geoffani has been permanently banned from PsiNet, and if in fact this person is him- which I am very inclined to believe- he will join his other characters in permanent ban.

>>Edited to add how i hate the way psinet has evolved into peoples personal pet peeves. <<

Know who hates it most?

[100% Wool]

Wow someone's a big fat liar

Here is my evidence that you are the fuck head "Geoffani" and why I'm all over your ass like Jamus on an Abercrombie model

----------------

1. You emailed me [ FROM: SPYRE ]
and chatted to me as Hance

- Geoffani's SN = GS4 SPYRE

2. Last month, you wanted to buy an alter spot for me on the Dhu and wanted to get this done.

GS4 Spyre (1:16:54 PM): The item is a woven gold wand belt
GS4 Spyre (1:17:08 PM): a kelyn-plated cross-strapped leather holster
This holster has been meticulously crafted to cross over the chest with two kelyn-plated leather straps that adjust by tightening or loosening tiny buckles sewn in the leather. An intricate network of braided strands allows for the attachment of weapons in various places on the holster and wide pockets have been cut in the leather to allow weapons to easily slide in and out.
GS4 Spyre (1:18:11 PM): Thats it, just a slight change

- for the past couple of days you've been on as "Targotyll" complaining that Tigermist wouldn't let you get a wand "holster" done

And, Tartgotyll and Hance are on the same account or you log on with the same IP

3. You started a NEW account on the pc forums and are selling silvers

GS4 Spyre (8:16:20 PM): I just sold my last bit of silvers so I'm poor now

4. You are selling the items Geoffani was selling a month ago as Hance now

5. Yeah, and you're not at all retarded for referencing Edaarin/Edarin in game, neither of whom you've met. <http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif>

...rofl....


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now explain to me why i wouldn't think you're not the fuck head Geoffani

so yeah...don't fuckin try to kill my rep by accusing me that I'm a fuck head when you're sitting here trying to act all innocent

I never have abused my mod powers and I don't intend to


.......now mr innocent, talk shit now.

[Edited on 7-6-2004 by 100% Wool]

[JamusPsi]

Also wanted to mention that Tayre is no longer a moderator, and Jenovadeath is not and has not been a moderator for some months now.

[Edaarin]

Originally posted by 100% Wool
why I'm all over your ass like Jamus on an Abercrombie model
[Edited on 7-6-2004 by 100% Wool]

LMAO, owned!

On a side note...good job on outing his characters. :lol:

[Blazing247]

PWN'd!

:goodluck:

[JamusPsi]

>>And, Tartgotyll and Hance are on the same account or you log on with the same IP <<


They are not on the same account, as they are both logged in simultaneously. And you can't know anything about their IPs, because I don't share that information with other players.

[Gan]

I concur, good job on your due dilligence. Your argument/hypothesis is organized and the delivery was superb.

Too bad PWNED was not a popular phrase during my debate classes... because this is definately an instance where it is appropriate to use.


:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Bobmuhthol]

<<My responses to him were.. No, I'm not him and What happened that you're so adament about getting this person.>>

I'd say the main problem is that Geoffani is sofa king banned.

http://www.freewebs.com/bobmuhthol/LoveJamus1.txt

I'm actually kind of surprised he hasn't called everyone closet case faggots yet. I must be special.

[Edited on 7-7-2004 by Bobmuhthol]

[Anebriated]

I read down maybe 20 lines then got bored with the log...

[Edaarin]

That log is mind-numbing.

EDIT: God damn Geoffani is fucking stupid. I'd say cull him from the gene pool but I guess there's no concern for him having any kids, is there.

Unless he has a pussy, which at this time probably can't be ruled out.

[Edited on 7-7-2004 by Edaarin]

[xShadowMerchantx]

Originally posted by 100% Wool
Wow someone's a big fat liar

Here is my evidence that you are the fuck head "Geoffani" and why I'm all over your ass like Jamus on an Abercrombie model

----------------

1. You emailed me [ FROM: SPYRE ]
and chatted to me as Hance

- Geoffani's SN = GS4 SPYRE

2. Last month, you wanted to buy an alter spot for me on the Dhu and wanted to get this done.

GS4 Spyre (1:16:54 PM): The item is a woven gold wand belt
GS4 Spyre (1:17:08 PM): a kelyn-plated cross-strapped leather holster
This holster has been meticulously crafted to cross over the chest with two kelyn-plated leather straps that adjust by tightening or loosening tiny buckles sewn in the leather. An intricate network of braided strands allows for the attachment of weapons in various places on the holster and wide pockets have been cut in the leather to allow weapons to easily slide in and out.
GS4 Spyre (1:18:11 PM): Thats it, just a slight change

- for the past couple of days you've been on as "Targotyll" complaining that Tigermist wouldn't let you get a wand "holster" done

And, Tartgotyll and Hance are on the same account or you log on with the same IP

3. You started a NEW account on the pc forums and are selling silvers

GS4 Spyre (8:16:20 PM): I just sold my last bit of silvers so I'm poor now

4. You are selling the items Geoffani was selling a month ago as Hance now

5. Yeah, and you're not at all retarded for referencing Edaarin/Edarin in game, neither of whom you've met. <http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif>

...rofl....


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now explain to me why i wouldn't think you're not the fuck head Geoffani

so yeah...don't fuckin try to kill my rep by accusing me that I'm a fuck head when you're sitting here trying to act all innocent

I never have abused my mod powers and I don't intend to


.......now mr innocent, talk shit now.

[Edited on 7-6-2004 by 100% Wool]


Theres probably no correct response to this so I'll only say....

I've already answered your questions. If you don't want to believe me, I don't really care.

And I find it amusing that Jamus came and called you out.

Ruin your Rep? I wasn't trying to, but I obviously don't need to because you do it yourself. I just wanted you to get a new target to harass.

[Bobmuhthol]

rofl, I think Geoffani thinks he wins. Guess what, dumbass? Jamus didn't "call Barumples out," he just isn't going to let false information be brought into this because he's not an idiot. He'll make his own decisions, regardless of whether or not you're sucking his dick. So, I suggest you stop being such a closet case Bobmuthol (haha that came back to bite you in the ass) and acknowledge that you lose. Just uninstall PsiNet and walk away; I don't want to have to host another log, no matter how hilarious.

:birthday:

[Edited on 8-20-2004 by Tsa`ah]

[100% Wool]

right....great defense there buddy

Jamus didn't exactly call me out...heh, but I can't get into that

yes..i ruin my rep all by myself

[JamusPsi]

>>Jamus didn't "call Barumples out," he just isn't going to let false information be brought into this because he's not an idiot.<<

Who said anything about the information being inaccurate? Barumples guesses well.

[100% Wool]

^.......rofl!

[Warriorbird]

You know. Normally as ready as I'd be to believe something bad about stuff that goes on in PSInet OOC chat? Despite evidence of one mod flipping out in another thread.

Anything that comes from Geoffani seems automatically invalid.

[Drew2]

Originally posted by JamusPsi
Also wanted to mention that Tayre is no longer a moderator, and Jenovadeath is not and has not been a moderator for some months now.

Well that's great. Thanks.

[Straight-up]

This shit sounds strangely like how people bitch about Simu and their conspiracies, right down to the "I can't talk about it".


Funny how the world is.


Straight

[StrayRogue]

Last time we spoke Jamus, you said account information wouldn't so easily be disclosed to the general public. I'm going to rethink my usage of psinet from this day on.

[Edited on 7-7-04 by StrayRogue]

[Galleazzo]

Jamus, got a suggestion for you.

Shut down the OOC channel.

Really. It fucks over the rep of your program, and does it got a frigging point other than reaming all the assholes off the amunet and putting them in a ghetto of their own?

Wait, hang on there, man, that's a good point.

Forget I said anything. Stay cool.

[Artha]

If the OOC channel got shut down, we'd just find a new one to talk on. Yeah, it's stupid sometimes, and yeah, we can be harsh (remind you of somewhere?), but usually it's all in good fun.

[Edited on 7-7-2004 by Artha]

[StrayRogue]

I was about to ask how the OOC channel is any different from these forums, but Artha got there first.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Artha
If the OOC channel got shut down, we'd just find a new one to talk on. Yeah, it's stupid sometimes, and yeah, we can be harsh (remind you of somewhere?), but usually it's all in good fun.

[Edited on 7-7-2004 by Artha]

I think what he's saying is that the OOC channel makes PSInet look bad. I know how that everytime someone says that everyone goes "ALL YOU HAVE TO CLICK IS PSINET UNLINK OR UNTUNE OOC" but in reality everyone overlooks it.

You don't hear much about PSInet options sucking, or how the program iteself sucks. All the bitching you hear about is about the OOC channel. The OOC channel really does filter into the game, and that is a problem. These boards too sometimes, but it's at a far lesser degree.

When that happens, it becomes a serious problem because unlike these boards, simu can basically shut PSInet down. Which could easily be done for the simplest things, such as Jamus outting Geowhatevers second character...... That's easily grounds for banning the program, which I seriously hope doesn't happen because I do love the options.

When people bitch to SIMU about stuff like that, it's really simple for SIMU to say enough of this, and ban the program. People do bitch about PSInet's chat. The chat is always the center of attention when it comes to debating PSInet. If you find another program for OOC chat, at least it isn't on Jamus's product.....

[Artha]

The chat is so easy to avoid that anyone who whines about it should be mocked.

[Betheny]

the problem isn't psinet or the OOC channel, th e problem is the retards that can't deal with it.

Take Amioweil for example.

Who, upon hearing me say something about her on Psinet, walked up to Maimara in-game and tried to start a fight. I kept telling her to take it to psinet if she wanted to argue, she kept saying, "I would if I wanted to but I'd rather fight here" or something like that.

Durrrr.

[HarmNone]

Scott has a valid point. If Simu gets enough flak about PsiNet, they can simply shut it down. So far, they have not done so. However, that is not to say that they won't if the complaints become frequent enough to start putting pressure on GM/GH time and resources. From what I have read here, there are a lot of really good options available through PsiNet, and it would be a shame to have those options made unavailable because the OOC channel got to be more trouble than it was worth from Simu's viewpoint.

HarmNone could see this happening

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Last time we spoke Jamus, you said account information wouldn't so easily be disclosed to the general public. I'm going to rethink my usage of psinet from this day on.

[Edited on 7-7-04 by StrayRogue]

So wait a minute...just making sure I understand this. Can the moderators of PsiNet get access to our account information as well? Because I was under the assumption that if anyone could, it'd just be Jamus.

[StrayRogue]

No, just Jamus.

[Weedmage Princess]

Whew, good.

[DeV]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Scott has a valid point. If Simu gets enough flak about PsiNet, they can simply shut it down. So far, they have not done so. However, that is not to say that they won't if the complaints become frequent enough to start putting pressure on GM/GH time and resources. From what I have read here, there are a lot of really good options available through PsiNet, and it would be a shame to have those options made unavailable because the OOC channel got to be more trouble than it was worth from Simu's viewpoint.

HarmNone could see this happening I agree with you 100%. It's definitely a shame in one sense that people can't keep things said in OOC chat, in OOC chat. In another sense the retards that do bring things in game said on OOC are the ones making PSInet look bad. I could care less whats said on the chat channel as people talk about all sorts of things which would be better off not leaving their mouths. However, when its brought into the game, thats what I'm sure myself as well as others have a problem with.

[Gan]

And thats a good thing?

I'd rather not have anyone have my account info except for Simutronics to be honest. Hence one of the many reasons why I do not use PSINET.

[Wezas]

I'm sure if it comes down to it - and SIMU says that the chat is disrupting the game, Jamus will offer to remove the chat and keep the other features. Possibly even keeping the "Chat To" feature to talk to people over long distances.

But Simu may be a bit scared and scrap the whole allowing PSInet at all idea.

[Weedmage Princess]

I'll just say it's my opinion that he [Jamus] wouldn't do anything that would seriously compromise his integrity. I don't believe he's the sort of person who'd do anything like that. I can't same the same about some of his staff members, though. I certainly would NOT be comfortable if I learned his staff members also had access to such information.

Like HN and Gemstone 101, I too believe that the garbage on the OOC channels is going to ultimately be the downfall of PsiNet because as others have pointed out, there are too many morons who can't keep that stuff out of the game. It's a shame, too. Other than the OOC channels, it really is a good product.

[crazymage]

people try to hide behind psinet to they like to start crap on ooc then expect nothing to happen then when it does they scream OOC OOC.

[DeV]

What happens on psinet chat needs to stay on psinet chat, period. Why would someone expect for something completely out of character and game to be brought into the game? Yes, characters are discussed, sometimes flamed on the chat channel, and you might get into arguements or debates but its just like the PC boards. How ridiculous would it be if you said something I disagreed with on here, and took it into game. Or someone blasted my character on the boards, and I get my revenge in game, when I have never even met your character. It happens, and its clearly OOC when it does. People who scream OOC when it's not the case, are not to hard to point out. They are obviously part of the problem.

[GSLeloo]

Same reason why people take what's discussed on a board into game.

[Weedmage Princess]

Yeah but Sergey..if the OOC channel is an OOC venue--what happens there should not roll over into the game.

Just like people here talk a lot of trash....the minute someone takes this into Gemstone, though, it's a whole other issue. Defend yourself on PsiNet if you must...but doing something like...me killing you in game because you called me an asshole on PsiNet, that's just lame. What it says is "people aren't mature enough to keep things of an OOC nature in an OOC venue" ...which is probably the case...in which event everyone gets shafted cause it might come down to choosing between keeping the OOC channels or scraping PsiNet as a whole if it continues.

That would really be a shame because I have seen people on the OOC channel also be very helpful. If someone had a problem trying to figure out say mechanics or whatever, you could almost guarantee someone on the OOC channel would be able to assist. You know the saying...one bad apple. Although from what I've seen there are way more than just one bad apple in that bunch.

[DeV]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Same reason why people take what's discussed on a board into game. Yes, and we lump those losers into a group all by themselves. Like I said, they are part of the problem.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by crazymage
people try to hide behind psinet to they like to start crap on ooc then expect nothing to happen then when it does they scream OOC OOC.

Um yes, what Weedie and others kind of said. If someone says something on the ooc chat it should STAY there.

That being said, if the OOC were simply held to a slightly higher standard of decorum I think alot of the garbage we are seeing would not happen.

[Numbers]

You know what the solution would be to the OOC channel crap flooding into the game? Here's the thing... the OOC channel is basically a chat room; a convenient chat room that you don't have to alt-tab out of, and anyone who uses PsiNet can log into it.

If Jamus can manage it, he should allow people to choose a handle that's DIFFERENT from their characters name. So, for examples sake, let's say I'm talking shit about someone on PsiNet, and that person is listening in to PsiNet (or gets alerted by a pussy snitch who's listening) they'd see me make those remarks, and they'd know exactly who said it. If they can't handle that, all they'd have to do is locate me, confront me in the game, and right away, the OOC channel has flooded the game.

If we had the option of disguising our names on the OOC channel, and instead use different names that we can choose, there's no way that this person could confront me in the game about it. All I'd have to do is refuse to give him my characters name. Sure, he could call me a pussy and a bitch and a loser for not giving him my name, but the fact that he'd want it so he could take OOC stuff said about him and bring it into the game would justify my decision.

It certainly wouldn't eliminate the problem of the OOC channel flooding into the game, but it would at least reduce it.

[Jonty]

Originally posted by Ganalon
And thats a good thing?

I'd rather not have anyone have my account info except for Simutronics to be honest. Hence one of the many reasons why I do not use PSINET.

So, what kind of account info does Jamus have of Psinet users?

[Zanagodly]

There should be no in game conseqences for anything anybody says in gemstone. Call it hiding behind psinet but whatever they say on psinet should have no influence whatsoever on how they should be treated in the game.

[Weedmage Princess]

That's true Phone Number Guy, and very good in theory.

However I don't think it'd reduce the problem as much as you think. There are some people who are...hmm...how do I say this? VERY BRAZEN. They wouldn't change their handle even if they had the option to. And they certainly wouldn't bite their tongue if someone did something to them that they felt warranted complaining about on the OOC channel.

Also, you have twits who would start messing with someone else for no reason other than they heard "So and so bought character X" or "This person said their character hates Giants, so I'm going to pick a fight with them cause I'm a Giant" ...even though the whole exchange took place on the OOC channel and the character looking for "revenge" never even saw the other character to begin with.

[Numbers]

True.

But, when that happens, the circumstances will have to be somewhat extreme. For one thing, the people who choose to go by their characters name on the OOC channel, if they ever bring anything on that channel into the game, should be banned immediately. The sad thing is, many of the frequent chatters on the OOC channel are guilty of just this act, but are part of the little clique they've got there, and are rarely reprimanded for it by whatver mods are on duty at the time.

I think PsiNet users need to police themselves a bit more. If they see something from the OOC channel seep into the live game, they need to report the guilty party immediately. Unfortunately, in most cases, they usually respond with "PWNED" or other such intelligent and witty remarks.

[Gan]

Crossing the line between in game and OOC is very muddy indeed.

The problem is that conflict usually is the result of something that happens in game initially, then is brought onto the OOC channel, then... it is brought back into the game. In, out, in, out, in... its kind of like bringing in game topics, bitches, whines, complaints here to the forum that originated in the game and expecting them to remain sterile and off limits because it was discussed on an OOC forum. Face it, folks will act on aggressors in whatever medium if they feel threatened. I have, was it cool? No, but it sure made me feel better afterwards. Have others, yes, was it therapeutic for them? Their justifications usually indicate an affirmative on that too.

My hangup about the OOC channel is that you're in a game setting when you use PSINET. You are in the game, doing game things, and listening to other folks who are in the game that use PSINET. When someone calls you to the square on the OOC channel its so intertwined with game circumstances that it will most ALWAYS result in a conflict resolution that will take place in the game. If anything, that will be a nail in the coffin of PSINET should SIMU decide that the PSINET has become 'high maintenance' due to its 'high maintenance' associated activity. (ie. everytime a REPORT is made because of someone taking someting PSINET and bringing into a conflict in game)

The best solution, IMHO, would be for folks to just take responsibility for the way they act and for the things that they say and remain considerate of others when doing things and saying things in game and OOC.

Respect... it is readily accepted but reluctantly given.

[DeV]

Ganalon's sig actually explains alot. Post was well taken also. Makes alot of sense.

[Bobmuhthol]

Shut the fuck up and stop telling Jamus how to run his program. All your ideas suck, and Sergey is right.

[DeV]

Never argue with an idiot, they'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience...

[Bobmuhthol]

Says Jedari, who takes things from PsiNet in-game.

[Gan]

So do you Bob... whats your point?

I could go into detail if you wish... there was a whole thread about it...

http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=6840&page=3





[Edited on 7-7-2004 by Ganalon]

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Same reason why people take what's discussed on a board into game.

Agreed.

See Dresbarfa on the Official Vaalor Boards

:jerkit:

[DeV]

Logs please. Proof. Never have I taken something from PSInet in game. Ever. You show me some proof and I just may be obliged to do something drastic, like be shocked.

[Sean]

I find it amusing that people complain about how negative stuff gets brought into game. But no one complains if they find out about a merchant or some perk via the OOC venue.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<So do you Bob... whats your point?>>

Hahaha, I think you're confusing me with you. You lose an argument, you come kill my character. That must mean I took it in-game.

[Gan]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<So do you Bob... whats your point?>>

Hahaha, I think you're confusing me with you. You lose an argument, you come kill my character. That must mean I took it in-game.

Please see link edited into my previous post mr. I cant remember my arse from a hole in the ground...

or, here it is again in case you forget how to scroll up...


edited to add the horse...


http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=6840&page=3


:deadhorse:

[Edited on 7-7-2004 by Ganalon]

[Bobmuhthol]

Okay, okay. You win for killing me and posting about it because you lost an argument on PsiNet. I apologize for not realizing that's okay.

[DeV]

Awww, come on Bob. Post the stuff before that. I had already seen you in the square up to no good. In fact I received whispers to the point of you stealing from me. All this because of something I said on PSINET.
I'd also like to add that you offered ZERO chance for roleplaying as you attempted to drag my character out of town and kill him. If I recall, I said something on PSInet that you weren't happy with, you stole from my character as I was standing in TSC. You then broadcasted it on PSInet how you took a gem from me, then continued stealing which I didn't care about at that point. I called Shay a wench, a cheap one at that, and then the attacks from you began. I was broadcasting on PSInet the entire time knowing full well you took something I said from the chat channel into the game. I guess you had a reputation for doing that at the time considering the amount of private chats I received from other players, as well as people asking for a log of what was happening. I still have the 2 arrows in case you want them back. :lol:
Oh, and I believe you were upset even more by the fact that I didn't get pissed at you like I could have. I found it hilarous at the time that you would do something that idiotic, but considering you are a child I opted to not make a big fuss over it.

[Bobmuhthol]

I was stealing from everyone, I didn't target you because of something you said on PsiNet. In fact, I stole BEFORE you even said anything, and then posted it when you said JUKEd. You claim you were getting whispers, but never said anything like, "I hear you're a dumb cunt." You just snickered at me and called me a wench when I walked into the park. By the way, it was the park, not TSC. So you lose there. And I showed you a log of taking PsiNet in-game, where's your proof of these whispers?

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Tijay
I find it amusing that people complain about how negative stuff gets brought into game. But no one complains if they find out about a merchant or some perk via the OOC venue.

Yeah. People don't seem to be complaining about the shit that happens due to the PC either in regards to IG occurances.

Idiots don't understand the difference between OOG and IG. They get hassled OOG they'll take it IG. Psinet just happens to be the most easily accessable OOG factor of Gemstone. Its happened with forums, gatherings, AIM chat rooms, and now Psinet. The fact people are getting on their high horses bemoaning Psinet to be the cause of OOG/IG cross-overs is just stupid.

Its a problem that began before Psinet and will end after Psinet is long gone.

On a person note I've made a good pack of friends due to Psinet. It has enhanced my own, and I'm sure others, enjoyment of Gemstone.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
I was stealing from everyone, I didn't target you because of something you said on PsiNet. In fact, I stole BEFORE you even said anything, and then posted it when you said JUKEd. You claim you were getting whispers, but never said anything like, "I hear you're a dumb cunt." You just snickered at me and called me a wench when I walked into the park. By the way, it was the park, not TSC. So you lose there. And I showed you a log of taking PsiNet in-game, where's your proof of these whispers? Bob, If I had the log I would have posted it a long time ago. Fact is, it was an insignificant event for me. Another fact is that right after I said JUKEd which was in reply to something you said and however dumb it made you look at the time you posted a short log of Shay stealing from Jedari. So, as I was standing in TSC waiting for healing is when it all began. If the event was not that serious for you, why the repeated attempts of stealing, I counted like 5 in a row at one point. Geez, someone seemed determined. Is it that hard to believe someone whispered to me that I was being stolen from a bunch of times? I knew your rep, which is why I didn't do anything before.


>chat When I've never interacted with him.You focus on transmitting your thought.
So stealing from me is not interacting. Why is it ok for you to have stolen from Jedari numerious times and yet not ok for me to call you a cheap wench for stealing cheap gems. I deemed it fair. You took it to the next level. I didn't.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<So, as I was standing in TSC waiting for healing is when it all began.>>

No, you were in the park, that's how I was able to steal from you.

<<Is it that hard to believe someone whispered to me that I was being stolen from a bunch of times?>>

I stole three or four times, you had items twice. You never said anything about someone telling you. You just knew because you're so good. And also because you were on PsiNet.

<<So stealing from me is not interacting.>>

Not when I know you didn't see it and took the information from PsiNet.

[Edited on 7-7-2004 by Bobmuhthol]

[DeV]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<So, as I was standing in TSC waiting for healing is when it all began.>>

No, you were in the park, that's how I was able to steal from you.

<<Is it that hard to believe someone whispered to me that I was being stolen from a bunch of times?>>

I stole three or four times, you had items twice. You never said anything about someone telling you. You just knew because you're so good. And also because you were on PsiNet.

<<So stealing from me is not interacting.>>

Not when I know you didn't see it and took the information from PsiNet.

[Edited on 7-7-2004 by Bobmuhthol] Oh, well Bob, gee gholly since you KNOW everything I guess no matter what I say from this point is incorrect unless you say so, because you are all knowing. My character was level 6 at the time. Common knowledge is Shay was in her 60's. Calling Shay a cheap wench for stealing a couple cheap gems and wands was not such a bad thing, however, it's what lead to an ultimate death at the hands of Shay. A death that could have easily been avoided. You claim I took OOC in game, however that is not correct little boy. Your inability to roleplay is not astounding. You have offered no proof that I took anything said from PSInet into the game. However, your scathing account of my actions in game as a result of you stealing from Jedari and posting it on PSInet are quite entertaining. You posted the parts of the log that you felt were most important. I applaud your effots, however you lose. The parts of the log you posted are from in the park only. When you were first spotted, we were in town square where Jedari was being healed and where you decided to broadcast to who were using PSInet how you stole from Jedari. It's funny how if you were stealing from oh so many people that day, Jedari's cheap loot was the most fitting you could find to put on display.

[Shadya]

If you don't like it....Uninstal it..easy to do! I dumped it months ago.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<You posted the parts of the log that you felt were most important.>>

Except that's a continuous log, so only one 'part' was posted, and it's very much complete.

<< When you were first spotted, we were in town square where Jedari was being healed and where you decided to broadcast to who were using PSInet how you stole from Jedari.>>

You said, "JUKEd." I proceeded to show me stealing and follow up with, "JUKEd." This was on PsiNet. I can say whatever the fuck I want on PsiNet, because it's not GemStone, and I wasn't roleplaying on the OOC channel. Stop saying anything happened in TSC. It didn't. You asked to be healed in the park.

Oh, oh, let's not forget this little gem:

[Town Square, Small Park]
A small, shady park fills an old vacant lot behind a row of buildings, the bustling sounds of the square filtering through the passage to the north to animate the area despite its appearance of peace and serenity. A weatherworn grey marble statue of a stocky human in pioneer's clothing overlooks the park, his stone hat encrusted by the gifts of decades of passing birds and his right hand half-upraised as if it once held some now-missing object. You also see the Penina disk, the Luswenda disk, some wolifrew lichen, some wolifrew lichen, a rose-marrow potion, the black Tlaith disk, some clear spring water, the Mudd disk and a rolton pelt.
Also here: Erodan, Dalymer who is sitting, Lady Krystala, Razmabil who is sitting, Jedari, Miressa, Kadeur, Khorel, Twiggs, Penina, Nakanai, Great Lady Luswenda, Tiarwen who is sitting, Ekrem, Mordicaine, Tlaith, Straiter who is sitting, Mudd who is sitting
Obvious paths: north, south, west

>Jedari snickers at you!
>Jedari says, "Cheap wench."
You raise an eyebrow in Jedari's direction.
You say, "Hello."
Jedari raises an eyebrow in your direction.
>Jedari says, "What do you want wench."

That is some excellent roleplaying.

[Edited on 7-7-2004 by Bobmuhthol]

[DeV]

Yes, and that part of the log is after, I repeat AFTER I said what I said, you stole (over and over again), then posted. Bob, just quit. You already proved your point inadequate when you chopped up the log and posted what you felt was pertinent.

Did I take PSInet in game, no way. And especially not in response to something you said, or did or posted on the chat channel. You think you can attempt stealing from someone that many times and no one will see it, or say anything to that character. If not, you seriously need to get a clue. Like I said before, you have a reputation for an inability to roleplay when a situation is not going your way.

I find it funny how you couldn't let it go even after you killed Jedari for basically no reason and I laughed it off. Any reason why you continued to stalk, and attempt to disrupt my game play after the incident. >PSINET locate Jedari< was your best friend that day wasn't it Bob?
You even had the nerve to locate me and ask for your arrows back after I was raised. :lol: Wow.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<you stole (over and over again), then posted.>>

Correct. And then you responded to it in-game.

I'm willing to forget this if you are.

[DeV]

Whatchotalkinboutwillis? Forgotten. :beer:

[El Burro]

Getting your PC whacked because you spewed useless shit on the OOC channel is much better than talking shit to others in real life and getting your real face smashed in.... isn't it?

I think it is a real stretch by a bunch of pussies to keep this debate going regarding taking OOC Psinet in game. If you talk shit... be prepared to back your fucked upness up by all means possible and be thankful you can hide behind your PC's name and someone don't come knocking on you door to shut your "real" mouth.

[100% Wool]

wow this thread seems to be falling off topic...

..so anyway funny how Geoffani can't even defend himself or hasn't posted more than 3 times in his own thread.

Hey you know what, you probaly aren't "Geoffani" but you are the player or was the player of him. You sell your characters, so you are telling the truth when I ask you if you are "Geoffani" in a way. So anyway, I'll make sure you and all your characters get banned from Psinet sooner or later, I personally don't think fuck heads like you should be allowed to use psinet. Jamus is a nice guy I think I provided him with enough information to prove that you are him but still hasn't banned you. But, all you can do is deny it for the most part.

Oh Hey. Here is some new information.

email address: Geoffani

spyre@columbus.rr.com? or some shit like that

email address: Hance

spyre@columbus.rr.com? some shit like that I deleted the email's.

Damn, the least you can do to try to hide your damn persona is make a new email address

Also, if memory serves me right you bidded on some silvers I had for sale on ebay with an account name along the lines of "Spyre" or "GS4SPYRE" or something like that, and your emails were the same. GEE LOOK AT THAT!

Now this isn't totally concrete but 75% chance its true.

I mean you made a new ebay account, a new PC account, etc..etc

[Edited on 7-7-2004 by 100% Wool]

[Bobmuhthol]

On the subject of Spyre:

From: Gs4 Spyre
To: Bobmuhthol
Sent: 5-24-2004 at 09:38 PM
Message: I just heard that you outted yourself! I just wanted to say thats great! Always nice to have another queer in Gs4.

^ Geoffani.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
It has enhanced my own, and I'm sure others, enjoyment of Gemstone.Chalk me up as one of the others. :yes:

[JamusPsi]

Just going to touch on a few things..


unlike these boards, simu can basically shut PSInet down.

Simu has no authority over PsiNet.


So, what kind of account info does Jamus have of Psinet users?

And from another:
Because I was under the assumption that if anyone could, it'd just be Jamus.

I CANNOT see simutronics account information. I CAN see which characters you have used PsiNet with.

This gets asked a lot, so I guess I'll give an example.

>whois jamus
Requesting whois jamus

Whois: Jamus
status: ok
lastip: 4.231.50.105
lastact: 1
actnums:
1 This is a list of numbers- assigned incrementally to each installation of PsiNet- which indicates which installation has connected.

whois 1
Requesting whois 1

The following characters were found on the Accts\1.act account:
Jamus This is a list of characters which have logged on from that PsiNet installation.
Cancel
Accept



people try to hide behind psinet to they like to start crap on ooc then expect nothing to happen then when it does they scream OOC OOC.


Idiots don't understand the difference between OOG and IG. They get hassled OOG they'll take it IG. Psinet just happens to be the most easily accessable OOG factor of Gemstone. Its happened with forums, gatherings, AIM chat rooms, and now Psinet. The fact people are getting on their high horses bemoaning Psinet to be the cause of OOG/IG cross-overs is just stupid.

Yes, yes, OOC of any type bleeding into GS is naughty, bad, sinful, whatever. And yes, from the viewpoint of integrity of the game, I condemn it.

But come on. If you mouth off to someone, you've got to expect that there will be retribution. It is ridiculous to expect anything else- especially since I don't really think many of these 'victims' are going, "Oh gosh, gee whiz, I totally didn't think he was going to do that!" You (plural) knew.

That, and if the retribution occured in relative privacy, as game scenes go, I'm not inclined to believe that it was a massive disruption to your RP. I would suggest treating it like you would a whisper, instead of letting it bruise your ego.

And again, yes, bad, bad OOC people. Naughty! But honestly, did you- and should you- expect any different?

One of many humans,
Jamus

[edited for formatting]

[Edited on 7-7-2004 by JamusPsi]

[Skirmisher]

Yes, I must admit to finding it extremely useful.:yeahthat:

[DeV]

The benefits of PSInet far outweigh any ooc bullshit. Agreed.

[Meos]

Glad I don't use PSI net....

[100% Wool]

Holy Stupid Fucking Moron Batman!

You're a clown! :uglyclown:

- You made a new GS account
- You made a new SN
- You made a new PC FORUM name
- You made a new ebay account


........yet you never changed your email address.

WOW!

You know what, I can't understand why you didn't man the fuck up and just fess up already woulda made things easier on your part as well as mine.

Hold my fucking shirt cause I need to sell you for a pack of cigarttes, bitch:uglyclown:

[Edited on 7-7-2004 by 100% Wool]

[Bobmuhthol]

Yay yay yay.
(16:09:10) NOTJAMUS: Ok, Hance will be removed.

[Bobmuhthol]

This is too funny not to post.

(16:46:01) Rachel Pwnz: Hance logged ni.
(16:46:10) Jamus: Thank you.
(16:46:23) Rachel Pwnz: Targotyll just did, too.

[OOC]-Jamus: "Hi Hance. We need to talk."
[OOC]-You: "giggle giggle"
[OOC]-Hobbowitz: "teeeee heeeeeee"
[OOC]-Seabass: "uh oh to the principal's office"
[OOC]-Hobbowitz: "someone needs as panking"
[OOC]-Hobbowitz: "a spanking too"
[OOC]-Jamus: "We can talk here or in IMs, Hance/Targotyll."
[OOC]-Hobbowitz: "here will be fine"
[OOC]-You: "That sucked. I picked the Stronghold doors three times and didn't get a rep."
[OOC]-You: "Targotyll left at 4:48 pm."
[OOC]-You: "Jesus. 4 times without a rep. These doors suck."
[OOC]-You: "Targotyll arrived at 4:48 pm."
[OOC]-You: "Hance left at 4:49 pm."
[OOC]-Jamus: "are you listening, Targo?"
[OOC]-Jamus: "Ah, good."
[OOC]-You: "He no tuned."
[OOC]-Jamus: "He unlinked."
[OOC]-You: "Hahahaha."
[OOC]-You: "Force uninstall, please."
[OOC]-You: "Targotyll left at 4:49 pm."

[StrayRogue]

Hance/Targotyll/Geoffanni = pussy

[Bobmuhthol]

He blocked Jamus on AIM and uninstalled. He is clearly not Geoffani.

[100% Wool]

wow talk about pussy....still want to deny that you aren't Geoffani? ROFL

[StrayRogue]

It would appear he's ignoring this folder.

[100% Wool]

Late Post

<Maimara>
Jamus made a bad choice in all his moderators.

<Varsus>
So far I have not met a single Psinet mod who does not abuse there abilities.

------------------

Uh just curious, are you people talking out of your ass? Cause I have never abused my powers once.

I bothered Hance about him being Geoffani
I even was inclined to believe him that he wasn't and didn't ban him until I found out, might I add I also apolagized after bothering him [ Mind you, I was RIGHT in my accusations. ]

Since when is chatting to someone privately considered moderator abuse?



--------------

These are the people on the ban list for OOC

--------------

Bkajsdhihio - I banned for the massive scroll that was clogging the psinet server

Bkajsdihio - I banned for the massive scroll
that was clogging the psinet server

Hasoidd - I banned for the massive scroll
that was clogging the psinet server

Ooietooei - I banned for the massive scroll
that was clogging the psinet server

Geoffani - Jamus banned

Dyanne - Jamus banned

---------------------------------

Also I have scilenced Solescape a number of times for scrolling/spamming people but my scilence on them only lasted 24 hours

---------------------------------

So tell me where you people have the right to say things like Nakiro and I are poor moderators, and we abuse our powers.

[Edited on 7-7-2004 by 100% Wool]

[JamusPsi]

To be continued.. here:

http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=7966&page=1#pid202566

[Skirmisher]

Ouch.

[Artha]

If Jamus can manage it, he should allow people to choose a handle that's DIFFERENT from their characters name.

I'd change mine to <Insert Moron of the Month here> and talk all kinds of shit.

[xShadowMerchantx]

Well.. Jamus wants to only post part but I think its better if all the drama is brought to the table.

Here is me, admitting I'm Geoffani and Gs4 Spyre.

JamusPsi (5:28:58 PM): Just in case you missed it.. http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=7966&page=1#pid202566
xShadowMerchantx (5:31:09 PM): I didn't miss it I just have better things to do then join in the drama club. I've already stated that I'm not the person you claim me to be. Yet you and the others have gone very far out of your way to try to make me miserable. Its easier for me to stop using your program than to deal with the bullshit anymore to be blunt. There is some little club that I'm just not wanted at and I'm fine with that.
JamusPsi (5:32:01 PM): You.. merely have the same email address as that person?
xShadowMerchantx (5:56:43 PM): I would like to say one thing. I really did enjoy using your program for the last week. Some of the features made GS a lot more efficient. Should you realize that I'm telling the truth and you can keep the children under control. I would appreciate being allowed to use your program once again.

I uninstalled prior to being asked to avoid the conflict that keeps escalating.
JamusPsi (5:58:05 PM): Why do you have the same email address as Geoffani?
xShadowMerchantx (5:58:28 PM): What is his email address?
JamusPsi (5:59:13 PM): Spyre@columbus.rr.com
xShadowMerchantx (5:59:22 PM): No, thats email address
JamusPsi (6:00:30 PM): Sorry?
xShadowMerchantx (6:01:40 PM): I'm not sure where you three have gotten your information, but that is my email address, and I'm not Geoffani.
JamusPsi (6:05:47 PM): Ok.
JamusPsi (6:05:49 PM): Here you are.
JamusPsi (6:06:02 PM): http://forum.gsplayers.com/member.php?action=viewpro&member=Gs4%20Spyre
JamusPsi (6:06:40 PM): As yuo can see, that email address is there. As well as the aim name, GS4 Spyre, whom I am painfully aware is Geoffani.
xShadowMerchantx (6:06:55 PM): Guess it is, but thats not me.
JamusPsi (6:07:14 PM): He just happened to use your email address?
xShadowMerchantx (6:07:40 PM): I'm not exactly sure how he got my email address but thats not me or my Id.
xShadowMerchantx (6:08:09 PM): How did you search for a username.. I'll see if my old username is still there
JamusPsi (6:11:43 PM): I'm sure you can understand why, now, it seems extremely likely that you are in fact he.
xShadowMerchantx (6:12:11 PM): I understand now why you think I'm him yes. That still doesn't change the fact that I'm not.
JamusPsi (6:12:24 PM): Whether or not you still play the character Geoffani, that is.
JamusPsi (6:12:35 PM): From what I understand, you were selling a youngish bard not long ago.
xShadowMerchantx (6:15:05 PM): Tell ya what, if it will make this go away, I'm Geoffani, I'm Gs4 Spyre and whomever else you'd like to make me out to be :-)
JamusPsi (6:16:59 PM): Or, you just happen to be the victim of someone who was using your email address, randomly.
JamusPsi (6:22:26 PM): You also have amazingly similar posting style.
JamusPsi (6:22:31 PM): http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=7951
JamusPsi (6:22:39 PM): http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=6945
JamusPsi (6:22:59 PM): Both bumped, both with the strange habit of putting the dollar sign after the number..
JamusPsi (6:23:00 PM): Come on.
xShadowMerchantx (6:23:57 PM): I'm sure I can dig through posts and find more than one person who puts a dollar sign at the end of the # or says the word bump.
xShadowMerchantx (6:24:03 PM): Isn't that a little vague?
JamusPsi (6:24:31 PM): Within a month of eachother, posts with the same purpose, with the same style?
JamusPsi (6:24:37 PM): And the same email address.
xShadowMerchantx (6:25:07 PM): This is going on way too long and I'm starting to get a headache.
xShadowMerchantx (6:25:10 PM): What exactly is your purpose?
JamusPsi (6:25:24 PM): To get you to grow up, hopefully.
xShadowMerchantx (6:25:43 PM): And you think by harassing someone and trying to make everyone not like them, thats how someone grows up?
xShadowMerchantx (6:25:58 PM): To be honest, You bob and barumples are the biggest children I've ever met.
JamusPsi (6:26:08 PM): This all would have been avoided had you just owned up to begin with.
xShadowMerchantx (6:26:57 PM): So I'm curious, If I had, from the first moment Barumples messaged me stated I was Geoffani... What would happen exactly?
xShadowMerchantx (6:28:15 PM): Thats not the point is it.
xShadowMerchantx (6:28:21 PM): The point is to get me to say I'm Geoffani, right?
JamusPsi (6:28:25 PM): No.
JamusPsi (6:28:43 PM): What would have happened is that we would've discussed things as adults.
JamusPsi (6:28:48 PM): Instead of playing this little game.
xShadowMerchantx (6:28:59 PM): Oh, so all the posts from you three have been adult posts?
JamusPsi (6:29:07 PM): I can't speak for them.
xShadowMerchantx (6:29:31 PM): What exactly do you want from me.
xShadowMerchantx (6:29:46 PM): I've already given in and stated I'm Geoffani and Gs4 Spyre and whoever else.
xShadowMerchantx (6:30:19 PM): Or was there really no point in this other then to harass the hell out of someone you don't know, but who you think is someone you don't like.
JamusPsi (6:30:45 PM): The point was to get you to stop pretending.
JamusPsi (6:30:58 PM): You are apparently adamant though.
xShadowMerchantx (6:32:28 PM): So you're starting to finally realize that.. hey, he might not be him after all.
JamusPsi (6:32:35 PM): No.
xShadowMerchantx (6:32:39 PM): But you've already ruined my name.
JamusPsi (6:32:52 PM): I am more convinced now than before. But I'm convinced that you're not going to cave.
xShadowMerchantx (6:33:09 PM): Ok, so I'll ask you again, What do you want from me?
JamusPsi (6:33:37 PM): I wanted you to have the decency to stop pretending.
xShadowMerchantx (6:33:54 PM): I've already stated I'm Geoffani and Gs4 Spyre
xShadowMerchantx (6:33:58 PM): Thats the third time.
xShadowMerchantx (6:34:08 PM): So what else, because you haven't left me alone yet.
JamusPsi (6:34:21 PM): Yes, but you're staging your admission as though it were a lie made just to end the conversaiton.
xShadowMerchantx (6:34:31 PM): Oh, I'm sorry
JamusPsi (6:34:35 PM): You're not.
xShadowMerchantx (6:34:44 PM): Hows this.
JamusPsi (6:34:46 PM): And that's what's really, really clear.
xShadowMerchantx (6:35:08 PM): No, you just don't get in your thick skull that I'm not the person you're hating on.
JamusPsi (6:35:15 PM): I guess that's what I was trying to find out.
xShadowMerchantx (6:35:37 PM): What exactly is it that you want me to care about?
xShadowMerchantx (6:35:42 PM): About not being able to use your program?
xShadowMerchantx (6:35:56 PM): I've already stated I enjoyed it, it was helpful to me.
xShadowMerchantx (6:36:05 PM): Does that bring you pleasure?
JamusPsi (6:36:39 PM): It infuriates me that you play the victim.
xShadowMerchantx (6:36:59 PM): But when I say that I'm the person you want me to be, you say that I'm lying.
xShadowMerchantx (6:37:09 PM): Or I'm staging it to be a lie rather.
xShadowMerchantx (6:37:17 PM): So which is it?
xShadowMerchantx (6:37:27 PM): Do you want me to say... I'm not him, but I am him?
JamusPsi (6:37:49 PM): It is the truth, that you are masking as a lie, to avoid the necessity of true admission. And there's nothing I really want you to say.
xShadowMerchantx (6:38:17 PM): If theres nothing you want me to do, or say. Why are you three doing everything you can to make me miserable, or unliked?
JamusPsi (6:38:44 PM): Well, I want you not to use PsiNet any more, because you're a threat to it and to me.
xShadowMerchantx (6:38:55 PM): It just doesn't make sense to me anymore, You've all put this great effort into proving I'm this person, and when I say I'm him, you say, well you're just staging it to look like a lie.
JamusPsi (6:38:58 PM): I wanted to find uot if you had matured enough for me to reconsider.
xShadowMerchantx (6:39:03 PM): I've already under my own will removed your program.
xShadowMerchantx (6:39:07 PM): Before you ever asked me to.
xShadowMerchantx (6:39:23 PM): Oh I see, I've got to measure up to your standards to use your program.
xShadowMerchantx (6:39:29 PM): I'd hate to see if more people did things you don't like.
xShadowMerchantx (6:39:34 PM): Going to ban everyone from Psinet?
JamusPsi (6:39:41 PM): No, you've got to not be Geoffani, or at least not be Geoffani behaving the same way.
xShadowMerchantx (6:40:07 PM): You don't make sense Jamus.
xShadowMerchantx (6:40:20 PM): I've got to not be Geoffani, or the way he behaved.
xShadowMerchantx (6:40:30 PM): Have I in any way, shape or form acted like that moron?
JamusPsi (6:40:34 PM): You have failed to offer any reasonable indication that you are not he, and failed further to convince me that you are a reformed Geoffani.
xShadowMerchantx (6:40:37 PM): I read the posts and I'm not a retard.
JamusPsi (6:43:12 PM): You are not a retard. You are incredibly obstinate.
xShadowMerchantx (6:44:16 PM): So I'm Geoffani
xShadowMerchantx (6:44:18 PM): What now?
xShadowMerchantx (6:44:35 PM): Is there a certain way you want me to type it so you can post it on the PC?
xShadowMerchantx (6:44:42 PM): Just tell me and I'll do it if thats what it takes
xShadowMerchantx (6:44:47 PM): Want me to post there saying I'm him?
JamusPsi (6:44:56 PM): Nothing. I was giving you the opportunity to show me that you weren't a dickhead anymore, but you haven't. I will leave you alone whenever you like.
xShadowMerchantx (6:45:14 PM): I think you should look in the mirror.
xShadowMerchantx (6:45:22 PM): And read our conversation over the last half hour.
xShadowMerchantx (6:45:31 PM): Step in someone elses shoes for a moment.
JamusPsi (6:45:41 PM): I will feel no guilt for you.
xShadowMerchantx (6:45:57 PM): I don't want you to feel anything for me.
xShadowMerchantx (6:46:07 PM): I don't need your pity or sorrow, nor your friendship, nor your program.
xShadowMerchantx (6:46:19 PM): I've stopped using it before you demanded so.
xShadowMerchantx (6:46:25 PM): I've admitted I'm the person you want me to be.
xShadowMerchantx (6:46:29 PM): Yet you're still talking to me
xShadowMerchantx (6:46:33 PM): Why?
JamusPsi (6:46:54 PM): I suppose I'm still hoping you'll stop patronizing me.
xShadowMerchantx (6:47:04 PM): Like you give me a lot of choice.
xShadowMerchantx (6:47:16 PM): You treat me like shit and expect me to be nice?
JamusPsi (6:47:48 PM): Nice, no, honest, yes.
JamusPsi (6:48:22 PM): However, as I've said, you've shown me all I need. I'll leave you alone now.
xShadowMerchantx (6:49:48 PM): Lucky me...
xShadowMerchantx (6:50:07 PM): So are you posting this on the PC?
JamusPsi (6:50:16 PM): Parts.
xShadowMerchantx (6:50:24 PM): Why not post it all?
JamusPsi (6:50:25 PM): Towards the end it got redundant, don't you think?
xShadowMerchantx (6:50:29 PM): I'm sure they'd love to read it.
xShadowMerchantx (6:50:41 PM): I thought thats the best part

[StrayRogue]

Sad. Grow up and stop pretending.

[Bobmuhthol]

Shut the fuck up.

[100% Wool]

seriously, stop pretending already. Man the fuck up

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xShadowMerchantx (6:32:39 PM): But you've already ruined my name.

-----------

"WE" ruined your name?? For one you have no rep to begin with if you AREN'T the Player of Geoffani

And if you weren't you would defend yourself and make us look stupid and prove
you really aren't the Player of Geoffani


Which....you haven't done at all.

You have the patience to post a thread about how I was harrasing you??? Cause you claim not to be the Player of Geoffani?

Yet you don't have the patience to defend yourself.....RIIIIIIIIGGGGGGHT!

.....man up already

The least you can do is pull a Bill Clinton
and be like


I am not Geoffani, although I am the player of Geoffani so as accustations stated...I am telling the truth about not being Geoffani.

...regardles....man up already


[Edited on 7-7-2004 by 100% Wool]

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by JamusPsi
Just going to touch on a few things..


unlike these boards, simu can basically shut PSInet down.

Simu has no authority over PsiNet.


Jamus, are you telling me that Simutronics cannot, if they choose, make it impossible for PsiNet to interface with their product?

HarmNone, curious

[GSLeloo]

Ok all those logs of AIM conversations are annoying..

[Scott]

Originally posted by JamusPsi
Just going to touch on a few things..


unlike these boards, simu can basically shut PSInet down.

Simu has no authority over PsiNet.


They have no control over what happens on PSInet, but they can make it impossible or against policy to use.

[Chadj]

Originally posted by Gemstone101

Originally posted by JamusPsi
Just going to touch on a few things..


unlike these boards, simu can basically shut PSInet down.

Simu has no authority over PsiNet.


They have no control over what happens on PSInet, but they can make it impossible or against policy to use.
To get it against policy or impossible to use, Simu would set it as a priority goal. It'd be done by sometime in 2010.

[CrystalTears]

They'd just ban him if he didn't comply with removing PsiNet from availability if he was asked.

[Artha]

I think he's said that if he's banned because of PsiNet, he's making it open source. In which case, PsiNet wins.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Artha
I think he's said that if he's banned because of PsiNet, he's making it open source. In which case, PsiNet wins.

Not really. Making it against policy to use PSInet would kind of mess that up. In which case, Simu wins.

[Artha]

They can't/won't use it because it doesn't allow for anonymity, how are they going to monitor it?

edit: Not only that, all someone would have to do if it was open source would be to take out the Psinet Who and Find commands and Simu couldn't check to see if you were using it anyway.

[Edited on 7-8-2004 by Artha]

[100% Wool]

So anyway.....here's some new info I found out about the Player of Geoffani....

and all the shit about not being Geoffani....

-----------------------

Me: are you the new owner of Geoffani and the player of %%%%?

New Owner: yeah

Me: do you remember who sold it to you?

Me: the character that is

Me: GS4 Spyre?

New Owner: no..

New Owner: hance was the one i gave the coins to

Me: no contact IM or Email?

New Owner: oh shadowmerchant is the im

--------------------------
WOW!

:deadhorse:
:kick:
:club:
:headbutt:


:dance:

WOW!

Finkle...is Einhorn....

Einhorn....is Finkle.....

The Original Geoffani.....is a fucking moron and a huge fucking liar

-------------

Here are my favorite things that came out of
this fat ass liar's mouth

- I've already stated that I'm not the person you claim me to be.

- To be honest, You bob and barumples are the biggest children I've ever met.

- Should you realize that I'm telling the truth and you can keep the children under control.

- No, you just don't get in your thick skull that I'm not the person you're hating on.

------------

rofl you're calling us kids??

Come on you remind me of when I was 5
and I had cake frosting all over my mouth
and my mom asked me if I touched the cake or not.....and I said no....

COME ONNNNNN!!!!!


case is closed....

.......book 'em danno!


Edited To Add:

The new owner wishes no old blood be set upon him if anyone had any problems with the old Geoffani.



[Edited on 7-8-2004 by 100% Wool]

[Artha]

God damn. So pwned. So very, very pwned.

[JamusPsi]

>>Jamus, are you telling me that Simutronics cannot, if they choose, make it impossible for PsiNet to interface with their product? <<

This is kind of difficult to answer. They could probably modify their software to invalidate mine, but then I could modify mine to compensate. I believe that it would be extremely difficult for them to, technologically, render my software unusable.

It's not as though I had their cooperation writing it the first time.

If they modified their policy to invalidate mine, I would similarly be forced to modify mine in some way to compensate. What those changes would be would depend wholly on the situation.

>>They'd just ban him if he didn't comply with removing PsiNet from availability if he was asked.<<

That would be a very, very poor idea. If they were so uncivil and hypocritical (I asked probably a dozen times before creating it if I should stop, not wanting to waste effort), my feelings would be very hurt.

>>I think he's said that if he's banned because of PsiNet, he's making it open source. In which case, PsiNet wins. <<

With the end of my ability to play the games, my concerns for game balance would be nullified and I would have no qualms releaseing both the source code for PsiNet as well as my personal scripting engine addon, which is backwards compatible with both Wizard and StormFront scripts but extends their capabilities.

If I'm not in the game, what would I care for game balance?

Jamus

I'm pretty sure that Brauden already stated on the official boards that if your character is hacked, or someone else logs in and gives away all your junk, etc. AND you are a PsiNet user, they are going to treat you as if you share your password.

So basically, you are screwed if you are a PsiNet user that gets hacked. I have no idea how Brauden would know or be able to determine who exactly has used PsiNet, but he did post that when PsiNet was discussed in the Complaints Folder on the boards.

[Chadj]

Deny that you use it. Claim that the only reason your name is logged on PsiNet, is because whoever hacked your account happens to use it.

[Bobmuhthol]

Dear Tea & Strumpets,

Nobody has ever had their account hacked. Simutronics has not had account information stolen by a hacker. If anyone says anything about hacking, they are a fucking idiot, and do not know what hacking is. If Brauden used the word, he is also a fucking idiot. Even if he didn't, he is a fucking idiot.

(16:18:40) Rachel Pwnz: Basically.. "If you're a PsiNet user and your account is hacked, they will treat you as if you shared your password."
(16:18:51) Rachel Pwnz: Now the question, which I already know the answer to..
(16:18:56) Rachel Pwnz: Do accounts just get hacked?
(16:19:12) Rachel Pwnz: Because I've never heard one instance of anyone hacking anything GemStone related.
(16:19:34) 1337H4XX0|2: They could, but as far as I know- and I watch, because I'd be the suspect- it's never been done.
(16:19:46) 1337H4XX0|2: I would suggest that nobody but me and.. MAYBE one other person- who's a GM now- could do it.
(16:19:55) 1337H4XX0|2: Oh, MAYBE Xygon too.
(16:19:58) Rachel Pwnz: You'd need to be a pretty fucking 1337 person, correct?
(16:20:08) 1337H4XX0|2: Beyond leet.

[JamusPsi]

Brauden also hates PsiNet- and probably me- for some reason. I believe he has a personal sore spot when it comes to me.

He is in a position of power, and Simu would probably be justified in treating the situation that way... but somehow, I suspect (or at least would hope) them to be considerably more understanding.

I think most staffers would be hesitant to use PsiNet as a convenient scapegoat.

[HarmNone]

Hmm. Logic says that if a person is hacked AND uses PsiNet, and a person's account information (read password) CAN be accessed by Jamus (or anybody) via PsiNet, the staff would have to consider the password as having been shared. In that case, the onus would fall upon the player who was hacked. I cannot see Simutronics staff going to a lot of trouble to try to trace down a hacker if the player who was hacked knowingly uses a program that COULD comprimise his/her account security.

I think that may have been what Brauden was trying to say. He is certainly not the most tactful of the GMs. ;)

HarmNone

[Bobmuhthol]

Somebody didn't read what I had to say about hacking.

[Skirmisher]

Was it that its really easy to get hacked?

[Bobmuhthol]

Yes.

[HarmNone]

Bob, many people don't read what you have to say about anything. :D

Who said that?

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Dear Tea & Strumpets,

Nobody has ever had their account hacked.

I probably used the wrong term, but what the fuck does your IM conversation with some nobody have to do with anything? If someone else ever logs onto your character and gives all your crap away, you're fucked. Is that better?

Try to read entire paragraphs instead of fixating on one word.

[Latrinsorm]

If hacking is impossible (for the unwashed masses) than Brauden's statement, and thus your post, are meaningless. Therefore, in this case at least, focusing on one word is entirely valid.

Xygon is cool, though. I'm pretty sure I've gotten guild reps off him.

[Souzy]

Originally posted by 100% Wool
So anyway.....here's some new info I found out about the Player of Geoffani....

and all the shit about not being Geoffani....

Edited To Add:

The new owner wishes no old blood be set upon him if anyone had any problems with the old Geoffani.


Ha! I like the new owner! He's pretty cool, which is why I gave him your IM! I remembered that the original Geoffani was kind of an ass, so I was kinda surprised when he was acting like a perfect gentleman to me. He's cool, plz don't hurt him. :(

[100% Wool]

<3 Lalana

Yes Lalana takes all credit for finding out who the new owner was..etc..etc

San D stand up!

[Edited on 7-8-2004 by 100% Wool]

[Souzy]

Originally posted by 100% Wool
<3 Lalana

Yes Lalana takes all credit for finding out who the new owner was..etc..etc

San D stand up!


L kelly <3's ju too. You're so lucky I can't find anything to say about NY, dammit! *bumps my bass*

[Bobmuhthol]

<<but what the fuck does your IM conversation with some nobody have to do with anything?>>

Because that nobody could hack the shit out of you.

And owns PsiNet.

And wrote it.

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<but what the fuck does your IM conversation with some nobody have to do with anything?>>

Because that nobody could hack the shit out of you.

And owns PsiNet.

And wrote it.

Oh, I gotcha...so your argument boils down to "Jamus said so". Very well thought out.

It's funny that Jamus has already replied to my post, and knew exactly which post of Brauden's I was referring to. I'm amazed that he didn't get hung up on the word "hacked" and completely fail to comprehend the paragraph, like some Bobs did.

But what do I expect from a boy that constantly points out spelling errors in attempt to prove his intellectual superiority...

[Bobmuhthol]

<<It's funny that Jamus has already replied to my post, and knew exactly which post of Brauden's I was referring to.>>

He also responded because I talked to him about it, and he hadn't read your post until I mentioned it and said I responded.

<<But what do I expect from a boy that constantly points out spelling errors in attempt to prove his intellectual superiority>>

Probably the superiority that equates to me being better than you at knowing wtf I'm talking about.

Edit: You're a dumb cunt and need to listen to Latrinsorm.

[Edited on 7-9-2004 by Bobmuhthol]

[Gan]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Probably the superiority that equates to me being better than you at knowing wtf I'm talking about.

Yes, I often find myself standing in awe of such intellectual superiority coming from someone who can't drive a car yet, hasn't finished hight school yet, does not support himself financially or anyone else for that matter and has the grasp of the profane side of the english language better than an ex-convict.

You complete me bob... :heart::heart::heart::heart:

[Bobmuhthol]

YEAH THAT MAKES ME NOT KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING DURRRRRRR

Nevermind. It means the opposite. Join the Dumb Cunt Clique, population: Tea & Strumpets, Geoffani.

[Artha]

Yes, I often find myself standing in awe of such intellectual superiority coming from someone who can't drive a car yet, hasn't finished hight school yet, does not support himself financially or anyone else for that matter and has the grasp of the profane side of the english language better than an ex-convict.

Let's see...


Can't drive yet
Check
Haven't graduated from HS yet
Check
Don't support self
Check
Firm grasp of profanity
Check


In conclusion, fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

[Edited on 7-9-2004 by Artha]

[xShadowMerchantx]

Bob... do your parents give a shit about you at all?

If this is the type of person you are at 13... I see prison bitch in your future.

[Artha]

Considering that, well, it's you (http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=7966) who's doing the insulting, you (http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=7947) should (http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=7990&page=2) probably (http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=7097) STFU (http://www.freewebs.com/bobmuhthol/LoveJamus1.txt ).

[Gan]

Originally posted by Artha

In conclusion, fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

[Edited on 7-9-2004 by Artha]

Well, no horse bud, I actually walked... walked across the stage for my HS diploma, walked across the stage for my BS degree, and I walk to my office when I go to work, and I can usually engage in public debate or posting on these boards with a broader vocabulary than making every.other.word. a cuss word. So if you want to get horsey, bring your own horse.

With that said, my beef isnt with the folks here who are working on bettering themselves by striving for education, or for the folks here who actually post constructively... my beef is with the limited few who make harassing posts with shortsighted viewpoints who then turn around and attempt to severely bash those who disagree with them... not to mention expect everyone to take their word as the god allmighty truth just because they say it is so. So Artha, if you fit in that category then by all means, take offense to my earlier post because it was meant for people like you... if not, then find your own horse and have at it.

[Artha]

walked across the stage for my HS diploma, walked across the stage for my BS degree, and I walk to my office when I go to work

Well holy shit, let me fall all over myself with respect because you were born first.

[Bobmuhthol]

Your beef is with people who beat you in an argument.

You kill people in-game that you have a beef with on PsiNet.

You should STFU while you're only mildly behind.

[xShadowMerchantx]

So I've lost count... How many people are now hated because of this bullshit over the past two days? Seriously lets all find something better to do...

The entertainment from this is ... dwindling.

[Bobmuhthol]

Geoffani, STFU.

Ganalon, you left this on my hard drive.

[Gan]

Thank you bob for yet again proving my point. Do you do abstract art too?

[Latrinsorm]

Ganalon, please stop making anti-communism look cool. :(

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Nobody has ever had their account hacked. Simutronics has not had account information stolen by a hacker. If anyone says anything about hacking, they are a fucking idiot, and do not know what hacking is.

are you sure?

Would you define hacking as modifying a password sniffer program attaching it to a picture and emailing it to others?

If so then I know for a fact it has been done.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Would you define hacking as modifying a password sniffer program attaching it to a picture and emailing it to others?>>

Nope. I don't doubt people have done stuff like that, but a sniffer isn't really hacking. If the person manually accessed the information through a backdoor, yes. But what happened is just stupidity on the receiver's part.

[100% Wool]

Spyre, you're the only person whos new to being hated on cause of the last couple of days. Everyone else has already hated Bob. Nothing new.

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by 100% Wool
Everyone else has already hated Bob. Nothing new.

This is true. So is what Ganalon is saying...if he's referring to Bob, which I took it to be [not Artha]

...I'll just leave it at that.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<So is what Ganalon is saying>>

Yes, what he said about me is true, and also applies to Artha. He also implied that those things made me an idiot. I'm pretty sure the Rules of Life apply to everyone, so they apply to Artha, too. Artha happened to call him on it because he's a fucking idiot and needs to result to personal attacks to win. Apparently, he was successful, because dumb bitches like you are so quick to agree with anyone who says, "You're young so I'm better than you."

Yeah, you just joined the dumb cunt clique. Have a good time with Geoffani and Tea & Strumpets.

Here's one for you. You're a woman. That makes you a fucking cunt and you should probably stop living, non-fatally.

[Edited on 7-9-2004 by Bobmuhthol]

[Weedmage Princess]

Acutally Bob, I was referring to this:


Originally posted by Ganalon
With that said, my beef isnt with the folks here who are working on bettering themselves by striving for education, or for the folks here who actually post constructively... my beef is with the limited few who make harassing posts with shortsighted viewpoints who then turn around and attempt to severely bash those who disagree with them... not to mention expect everyone to take their word as the god allmighty truth just because they say it is so.


Note the bolded section. Also know that Ganalon is FAR from the onlyone who feels this way and is really sick and tired of you and your crap. Thanks for playing and being a stupid little bitch though.

And thank you for proving my point by your constant usage of your favorite new-found swear word. :loser:

[DeV]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Here's one for you. You're a woman. That makes you a fucking cunt and you should probably stop living, non-fatally.

[Edited on 7-9-2004 by Bobmuhthol] Cunt is good, fucking cunt is even better.

Having only read like 3 posts in this thread I'll chime in:

Age should never be used as a determining factor in judging a person. When I was a kid I used to hate it when adults would talk down to me, not because they were right and coul[d prove their point, but because they were older. I'd get furious when I could logically prove my point but it was discarded because I was "young". Now, I can say the same shit and people look at me like I'm some sort of genius.

[Weedmage Princess]

I'll agree with you, Ranger.

But I will completely stand behind Ganalon's post (the part I quoted that is) referring to Bobmuhthol. Should Ganalon have been that specific in the first post he made? Probably, seeing as he offended a couple of others who I sincerely doubt he meant to target...but he was right on the second time around. :thumbsup:

[Gan]

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess

Originally posted by 100% Wool
Everyone else has already hated Bob. Nothing new.

This is true. So is what Ganalon is saying...if he's referring to Bob, which I took it to be [not Artha]

...I'll just leave it at that.

Yes, the reference was mainly directed to bob. Even though he'll try to spin it out of context, it was purely a reference directed at his lack of age and maturity and his vitriolic posting style that is a real negative aspect of these boards. He bashes folks relentlessly in an attempt to either be funny or to make himself look better at the expense of others. He also attempts to be the authority on most of the topics in which he posts then goes on the attack when somone questions his logic, which he expects everyone to take as the ultimate truth.

I really do not know what his issues are.. attention seeking? lack of self esteem? anger issues where this is the only place he act out without facing physical consequences of what his mouth usually gets him into (explains his acquisition and fondness of all the sharp pointy knives/swords he likes to play with)... Perhaps I'd have more respect for him if he were more mature and had seen more of life than what he has (which would reflect in the way he posts and responds to people), then he would get the respect that is usually earned by intelligent debate, introspective insight when opinions are given, and the ability to be compassionate to those other than yourself.

As it is, I just consider him one of the kids that are sent to their room in the evening when the grown ups wish to sit around and have some adult conversation.

<Ganalon looks for the bob squelch button>

edited to add that I'm done with this topic, congratulations bob you win the prize since you seem to be the only one scoring points to any debate that goes on here. I'm going back to just reading the useful info that is posted here with regards to Gemstone...

[Edited on 7-9-2004 by Ganalon]

[Bobmuhthol]

<<earned by intelligent debate>>

Let's go back to the log of you not understanding a simple concept and killing me in-game for it. And yes, I do win the prize. You shutting the fuck up is priceless.

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Yeah, you just joined the dumb cunt clique. Have a good time with Geoffani and Tea & Strumpets.


Get off my dick.

His opinion doesn't get discounted because he's young, but because he is an idiot. I think he took my initial post as an attack on Jamus, when I was really just making things clear to folks that might be unaware of Simu's stance. I also think that Bob would like to wear Jamus' underwear as a facemask.

[StrayRogue]

Irrelevant info but I don't hate Bob. I respect him atleast for knowing a little about Gemstone, more than most people who post here. However, he is the sort of player that I tend to avoid in Gemstone.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<I think he took my initial post as an attack on Jamus>>

Wrong. You mentioned hacking accounts, and that has not and will not happen.

<<when I was really just making things clear to folks that might be unaware of Simu's stance.>>

And I was making things clear to you. No hacking.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Ganalon
He also attempts to be the authority on most of the topics in which he posts then goes on the attack when somone questions his logic, which he expects everyone to take as the ultimate truth.I have seen Bob admit he was wrong numerous times. Maybe you're not doing it (the questioning) right, or maybe he's not wrong. Regardless, this is not a Bob problem.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
Maybe you're not doing it (the questioning) right, or maybe he's not wrong. It could also be based on your individual perception of the question being asked. :nod:

Originally posted by BobmuhtholAnd I was making things clear to you. No hacking.

For future reference, "Jamus says so" (such as posting a IM log with you and Jamus) is not any kind of evidence that what you say is correct.

My problem with you Bob, is that you ignore the information that I'm trying to communicate, and focus on one word like some kind of demented English teacher.

www.dictionary.com

hack1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hk)
v. hacked, hack·ing, hacks
v. tr.
To gain access to (a computer file or network) illegally or without authorization: hacked the firm's personnel database.

So you don't think that if someone uses a program to get my account name and password, and then gains access to my account, that doesn't fit the definition?

You're just wrong on every level, but I guess we are each entitled to an opinion.

[Bobmuhthol]

Until that sniffer was forced onto the Simu server or a third party host (the hackee), I still won't call it hacking. That definition sucks. Sniffers don't break into a damn thing. If I go get a password sniffer and plant it on the other computers on my netwok, did I hax0r them? I say no.

[Weedmage Princess]

Well I do and it doesn't take away from the fact that no one can post an opinion or make a comment that he might disagree with without him viciously attacking them. Ganalon may or may not be correct about the other stuff..but he was 100% right there.

But I'll digress because...as stated...this isn't a thread about Bob.

[JamusPsi]

Because I apparently got involved in this debate..

Hacking in its most technical is accessing without authorization, and a sniffer most certainly applies.

Colloquially, however, hacking is often considered to refer to direct, forced entry into a system, while sniffers passively (relatively) absorb account information. Whiel the server in question is therefore not directly 'hacked,' the person in question has indirectly gained unauthorized access.

Language problem: looking at 'hacking' in two different ways.
Bob problem: Being a smart-ass about it.
Majority problem: Taking Bob way, way too seriously.

Jamus

[Skirmisher]

Doh..ok debate over.

Everyone's been pw3d.

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by theotherjohn
Would you define hacking as modifying a password sniffer program attaching it to a picture and emailing it to others?

If so then I know for a fact it has been done. Also I know before SGE was invented someone sent out a downloadable program, supposedly from Simu, that quicklinked you with the game without going through the website, and some people got stung. That's when Simu started really pushing the "Don't Trust Anything You Don't Get From Play.Net Direct" line.

[imported_Kranar]

Hacking is getting any kind of computer information you don't have authorization to get. You don't have to use a program or even a computer to hack someone.

If you watch the documentary about the best hacker in the world, Kevin Mitnick, he did much of his hacking just by talking to people.

[HarmNone]

Sshhh, Kranar. You're taking all the mystery away from the great haXors and leaving them nothing more than chatty li'l fellows with pocket protectors. ;)

HarmNone hates to see these giant egos threatened, much like the spotted owls.....

[Artha]

They have a name for what they do (Social Engineering)...I don't think it being known that they do this would hurt their egos.

[HarmNone]

I'm well aware of the term social engineer, Artha. However, I do believe most of these delightful beings would like us to think that they spend every waking minute artfully weaseling their way into the equivalent of the CIA (or Providian ;) ). It's the real elite, like Mitnick, who will admit that their "hacking" involved a great deal of manipulating people to obtain useful information, not to mention the use of the rather uninteresting password sniffer.

HarmNone, not impressed much with either type

[xShadowMerchantx]

Hey fuckers make your own thread, this ones mine!

[Artha]

Not anymore.