Capped sorcerer, what's next?

[Gibreficul]

Um... title says it all... I want opinions.

I'm thinking going 2x perception next, but if someone has a better suggestion, I'm all ears. Here's my current build.


Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 40 8
Physical Fitness...................| 201 101
Arcane Symbols.....................| 201 101
Magic Item Use.....................| 201 101
Spell Aiming.......................| 302 202
Harness Power......................| 200 100
Elemental Mana Control.............| 200 100
Spirit Mana Control................| 200 100
Sorcerous Lore - Demonology........| 152 52
Sorcerous Lore - Necromancy........| 150 50
Perception.........................| 201 101
Climbing...........................| 140 40
Swimming...........................| 170 70

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 74

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 67

Spell Lists
Sorcerer...........................| 162

So... have at it. My sorcerer is hunting Nelemar currently. 3...2...1...GO!

[nindon]

Why 2x perception? If you have a good reason, then go for it. If not, then based on your current training, I recommend that you rotate through a weighted training regimen in the following skills:

Harness power x1.5
Magic item use x1
Arcane symbols x1
Elemental mana control x1
Spirit mana control x1
Either spiritual summoning or elemental lore x4
Either demon lore or necromancy lore x1
Combat maneuvers x1

Pick either elemental or spirit summoning lore and train in it until you are fully singled. Then you can decide whether to double in that lore. The primary benefit to elemental lore is DC. The primary benefit, IMHO, to spirit summoning lore is web bolt.

No matter which Sorcerer lore you choose, you might as well get 20 more ranks in necromancy to reach the capped like-level MAL threshold and to improve your use of FLD.

Also get at least two ranks of multi opponent combat.

[rolfard]

decent advice all told.

[Jeril]

Gib, you should drop 1 sorc spell and put that into MnS to give you 2 more DS, could probably even drop three and not see a hit to your sorc CS. If you aren't adverse to using a shield I'd say that next. Then combat maneuvers, no idea how big of an issue maneuvers are for you down there but it would make them less annoying if nothing else. After that finish off perception then see where you want to take your lores and max those out. Nindon brought up web bolt and I know how that tickles your fancy on your empath, if you think that is more worth while to add to your offense do that first.

[nindon]

Gib, you should drop 1 sorc spell and put that into MnS to give you 2 more DS, could probably even drop three and not see a hit to your sorc CS.

If you take Jeril's advice and drop a sorcerer spell rank, please let us know how that affects your sorcerer CS. There is some disagreement among sorcerers about the optimal number of spell ranks.

[Gibreficul]

Gib, you should drop 1 sorc spell and put that into MnS to give you 2 more DS, could probably even drop three and not see a hit to your sorc CS. If you aren't adverse to using a shield I'd say that next. Then combat maneuvers, no idea how big of an issue maneuvers are for you down there but it would make them less annoying if nothing else. After that finish off perception then see where you want to take your lores and max those out. Nindon brought up web bolt and I know how that tickles your fancy on your empath, if you think that is more worth while to add to your offense do that first.

I already played with spell ranks, and I found that what I have is "max" sorcerer CS. I could do a little more tinkering, but I just don't feel it is worth it. I am, in fact, adverse to using a shield. If and when I change from a runestaff, it's going to be for a bow and arrow so I can abuse Torment. I haven't done any serious testing on this, but taking away a critter's chance to disarm me is only giving them more reason to use the maneuvers that'll actually damage or kill me, like charge. As for web-bolt, I just don't see the need with the sorcerer. Maybe agaisnt elementals, but even that seems like a long shot when focus implode is working pretty well, and would still be needed to finish them. Also, the 700s circle has enough quality crowd control and setup spells that it doesn't seem needed. All that stuff is good advice, and obviously the reason I'm asking opinions on this. I feel the core of my sorcerer's build is complete. It's all about expanding to a more customized and unique build, and what direction to go in first. Of all the advice given, I'm maybe liking the necro lore for animation the best. Still, I feel like I need perception (and eventually some survival) to forage for the moonflowers so I can do the entire process myself.


If you take Jeril's advice and drop a sorcerer spell rank, please let us know how that affects your sorcerer CS. There is some disagreement among sorcerers about the optimal number of spell ranks.

The reason there's disagreement is that people min/max for different things. Defense isn't an issue in my world. It's all about sorcerer CS. No matter which way you slice it, there's an "extra" spell rank in that pool of 303, and I chose to put it into Minor Elemental for that extra Elemental TD. If I do any testing in the future, I'll actually document it and share my findings. I'm pretty sure that other than that 1 extra MnE spell rank, if I drop a rank in any spell circle, my sorc CS takes a hit.

[subzero]

Still, I feel like I need perception (and eventually some survival) to forage for the moonflowers so I can do the entire process myself.


Do yourself a favor and just roll a ranger or empath. It's stupidly annoying and time-consuming (scripted or not) to try to get it done with the sorcerer. It's a really poor, outdated formula, but profession weighs pretty heavily it seems.

Profession mods via Krakii:
30, Ranger, empath; 20, warrior; 15, cleric; 10, rogue, paladin, bard; 0, wizard, sorcerer

[Gibreficul]

Do yourself a favor and just roll a ranger or empath. It's stupidly annoying and time-consuming (scripted or not) to try to get it done with the sorcerer. It's a really poor, outdated formula, but profession weighs pretty heavily it seems.

Profession mods via Krakii:
30, Ranger, empath; 20, warrior; 15, cleric; 10, rogue, paladin, bard; 0, wizard, sorcerer

I haz rogue!

[lordsmo]

I know this thread is old, but I'm pretty sure if you migrate your spells to 159 Sor, 67 MnS, 77 MnE, you'll have the exact same CS but gain +1DS/eTD. Someone correct me if my math is off, or if I've misunderstood the formula.

162/74/67 CS spell rank contribution:
100 + 20(0.75) + 40(0.05) + round[2(0.25)]
+ 66/3 + roundup(8/10)
+ 66/3 + roundup(1/10)
= 182

159/77/67 CS spell rank contribution:
100 + 20(0.75) + round[39(0.05)]
+ 66/3 + roundup(11/10)
+ 66/3 + roundup(1/10)
= 182