Zombie outbreak in Florida

[WRoss]

After the man from Miami ate another man's face, 4chan did some digging and discovered there is a zombie outbreak in Florida.

5/16: McArthur High School HazMat Situation: Students, Teachers Decontaminated After Breaking Out In Rash http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/16/mcarthur-high-school-contamination_n_1521764.html

5/19: No confirmation on chemical at Fort Lauderdale International Airport http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/terminal-2-evacuated-at-fort-lauderdale-airport-in-hazmat-scare

5/21: Police: Man bites woman in Westchester http://www.mysuburbanlife.com/westchester/newsnow/x639948018/Police-Man-bites-woman-in-Westchester

5/23: I-285 reopens after hazmat incident http://www.wesh.com/r/31112110/detail.html

5/23: Man Bites Cousin’s Nose Off http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Man-Bites-Cousins-Nose-Off-153100125.html

5/24: Second Broward school reports mystery rash http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/24/2815003/second-broward-school-reports.html

5/25: Hazmat Called After Kids Exposed To Pesticide On Bus: Hazmat, EMS Respond To Lake County, FL School http://www.wesh.com/r/31112110/detail.html

5/25: ‘Disoriented’ passenger subdued on flight in Miami http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/25/passenger-restrained-on-flight-to-miami-arrested/

5/26: Naked Man Allegedly Eating Victim’s Face Shot And Killed By Miami Police http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/26/naked-man-eating-victims-face-killed-miami_n_1548359.html

5/26: Florida Doctor Spits Blood at Highway Patrolmen After DUI Arrest http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-doctor-spits-blood-troopers-face-dui-arrest/story?id=16436402

5/27: Hackensack man critical after allegedly stabbing self, throwing intestines at police http://www.nj.com/bergen/index.ssf/2012/05/hackensack_man_critical_after_allegedly_stabbing_s elf_throwing_intestines_at_police.html

[TheEschaton]

First the 2000 election, now this shit. Fucking Florida.

[subzero]

If you fucks could keep all your degenerates in your own states we wouldn't look this bad all the time!

[Androidpk]

First the 2000 election, now this shit. Fucking Florida.

First was 1998 when they elected Jeb Bush as governor.

[Tisket]

What kind of rage state does a person have to be in to cut out their own intestines and throw it at the cops? That is some fucked up shit.

[Gelston]

I see nothing strange about any of that.

[WRoss]

The dude eating other dude's face off is so strange. First off all, they are chilling on the side of a causeway, naked. The victim gets attacked by the assailant and quickly subdued. The assailant then starts to eat the face of the victim while traffic passes. A cop shows up, points his gun at the assailant and tells him to stop. The assailant turned to the cop, growled, then continued eating. The cop shot him, but the assailant continued to eat the face. Eventually, it took 6 shots and killing the assailant for him to stop.

I don't know what fucking drug that dude was on, but that shit defies any knowledge I have of any drug.

[Gelston]

Again I see nothing strange about any of that.

[Makkah]

The first report said coke, the one I heard most recently said bath salts. Most importantly........ don't let your wife buy those fucking bath salts. (Coke is cool though)

[WRoss]

The first report said coke, the one I heard most recently said bath salts. Most importantly........ don't let your wife buy those fucking bath salts. (Coke is cool though)

The doctor said he suspected bath salts but could not find any traces of any drugs in his system. I suspect DMT could be the cause. It's hard to find and is completely out of body, though typically doesn't last very long. Who knows. Maybe dude was just schizophrenic and snapped when he saw another naked zombie running around.

[Jarvan]

And people say I am paranoid and weird for my Zombie survival packs and bug out plans.

Ok.. so I am. Screw it.

[Tgo01]

Just read a story about a man in Florida who bit the lips off of a kitten. Crazy shit happening there lately.

[Tenlaar]

Paranoid and weird and alive through the zombie apocalypse is worth so much more than the acceptance of society.

[Menos]

Nooooo, it's too soon! My zombie preparations are still missing a CAT D10 for an escape vehicle.

[Reliel]

For those of you wondering, Bath Salts are a designer drug. Really messed up one if you couldn't tell.

[Gnome Rage]

My zombie plans are not yet ready - must drink with my brothers tonight, design full blueprints of the tunnel system.

[Back]

Shit just got real.

Hackensack Man Stabs Self, Throws Bits of Flesh: Police (http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Hackensack-Man-Stabs-Self-Cuts-Skin-Intestines-Throws-Flesh-Police-155455985.html)

[WRoss]

Shit just got real.

Hackensack Man Stabs Self, Throws Bits of Flesh: Police (http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Hackensack-Man-Stabs-Self-Cuts-Skin-Intestines-Throws-Flesh-Police-155455985.html)

DO U READ?!?! LOOK AT MY LAST LINK.

[diethx]

The doctor said he suspected bath salts but could not find any traces of any drugs in his system. I suspect DMT could be the cause. It's hard to find and is completely out of body, though typically doesn't last very long. Who knows. Maybe dude was just schizophrenic and snapped when he saw another naked zombie running around.

I smoked DMT once. It only lasted like half an hour tops, and it certainly didn't have that sort of effect.

[Tgo01]

From Florida again. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/30/ashley-holton-masturbating-florida-highway_n_1557587.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D165780)


Drivers pulled illegal U-turns just to catch a glimpse of Ashley Holton, witnesses said.

The 35-year-old woman was arrested on May 26 for masturbating on Highway 484 in Ocala, Fla.

A witness told authorities that Holton had slowed traffic for more than 30 minutes before deputies arrived, the report said. The witness also said that honking car horns only seemed to encourage her.

When a Marion County Sheriff's Deputy approached her, Holton pulled up her shirt and bra, "exposing her breasts and bra," according to the report.

Holton was arrested and taken to the Marion County Jail. When an officer attempted to put pants on her, the report said Holton kicked and bit her. Holton described her chomping as "a love tap," the report stated.

Holton's alleged antics didn't stop once she had entered the jail, where she "continued to resist the officers by spreading her legs, exposing her vagina and telling the officers to kiss her there and refusing verbal commands to cooperate," according to the report.

Holton, who the report said may have been under the influence of alcohol, was charged with exposure of sexual organs, battery on a law enforcement officer, resisting an officer and disorderly conduct.

[Atlanteax]

First the 2000 election, now this shit. Fucking Florida.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/30/fla-candidate-legally-changes_n_1556866.html?ncid=webmail3


Why? Because Eddie Gonzalez went before a Miami-Dade judge this past January and had his name legally changed to "VoteforEddie.com."

A spokesman for the Florida Department of State said Wednesday that officials have no choice because a judge granted the name change request just days after election officials told him he could not use any nicknames.

"As a ministerial office, we have no authority to not permit his legal name to appear on the ballot," said the spokesman, Chris Cate.

Not a zombie attack, but still 'weird'.

[Allereli]

It's spreading to Maryland now

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/05/31/man-denied-bail-after-dismembered-body-parts-found-in-home/?src=fb

[Drunken Durfin]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-face-eating-cannibal-zombie-20120531,0,6068175.story


“Everybody says that he was a zombie, but I know he’s not a zombie; he’s my son,” the mother, identified by the Miami Herald as Ruth Charles, told the newspaper.

Isn't there always that one parent or couple in denial that ends up getting eaten about half-way through the movie?

[Androidpk]

I'm thinking of Return of the Living Dead 2, where the guy convinces his gf to let him eat her brain. Now that's what you call true love.

[Drunken Durfin]

What was the one where the wife was turned into a zombie while she was pregnant and the husband tied her to a bed and fed her until she gave birth?

[Androidpk]

Remade of Dawn of the Dead.

[4a6c1]

Too many telomeres. Intelligent cancer? I've been wanting to publish this paper for so many zillions of years. Nobody steal my idea!!!!! It will be my break into cryptogenetic FAME.

[Back]

Shit is on, yo!


Maryland man charged with killing, eating man's brain, heart (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/harford/bs-md-ha-dismemberment-follow-20120531,0,4066697.story)

[SHAFT]

We used to sell bath salts in our stores, but the gov made it totally illegal. Never heard of anything like this though. Never going to Florida unless absolutely necessary.

[Drunken Durfin]

Too many telomeres. Intelligent cancer? I've been wanting to publish this paper for so many zillions of years. Nobody steal my idea!!!!! It will be my break into cryptogenetic FAME.

I would never.

G'night folks. I gotta start putting the finishing touches on this paper I'm submitting to the New England Journal of Medicine.

[SHAFT]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/30/fla-candidate-legally-changes_n_1556866.html?ncid=webmail3



Not a zombie attack, but still 'weird'.

Not a zombie attack until the victim starts chewing on somebody's something

[Divinity]

Classy...



Five days after a naked man chewed off 80% of a homeless man's face on the side of the MacArthur Causeway, the location of the bloody attack is being added to a local sightseeing tour.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/zombie-attack-locale-spot-added-to-history-tour_n_1559994.html?ref=topbar

[Tgo01]

Classy...



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/zombie-attack-locale-spot-added-to-history-tour_n_1559994.html?ref=topbar

And on your right is the scene of a vicious attack which resulted in one man's death and another man being left mutilated.

[Tisket]

Now that's a tour I'd take.

[Stanley Burrell]

Dammit. I will only believe the hype when they are more medieval'y zombies. How does that work anyway? Like with the rusted weaponry. Something. Definitely 05:00 EST.

[Androidpk]

Dammit. I will only believe the hype when they are more medieval'y zombies. How does that work anyway? Like with the rusted weaponry. Something. Definitely 05:00 EST.

Ask your great great great great great great great grandfather.

http://cinesnark.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/vlad.jpg

[Atlanteax]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/31/justice/maryland-alleged-cannibal/index.html?hpt=hp_t3


(CNN) -- Hours after his family members alerted police to a human head and two hands they discovered stashed in metal tins, a Maryland man admitted killing his housemate, cutting him up, then eating his heart and part of his brain, authorities said.

[WRoss]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/31/justice/maryland-alleged-cannibal/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

That's kinda normal in Germany. Actually, why haven't we been talking about the huge number of cases in Germany where people eat each other?

[Gelston]

http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-ways-face-eater-zombie-craze-proves-medias-broken/

[Tisket]

For those of you wondering, Bath Salts are a designer drug. Really messed up one if you couldn't tell.

Is this the thread where I admit that, when this story first broke, I ran to the bathroom to frantically check all the labels on my bath products? Not that I would ever eat that stuff but really, who wants to bathe in something that can cause cannibalism if ingested or smoked, right?

Anyway, since I have some expensive bath shit, I'm relieved to report that I don't have to throw anything out. I might have been pissed enough to eat someone's face.

[Androidpk]

I thought the same thing, I assumed that's why both men were naked too. Does Miami have Turkish baths?

[SHAFT]

Is this the thread where I admit that, when this story first broke, I ran to the bathroom to frantically check all the labels on my bath products? Not that I would ever eat that stuff but really, who wants to bathe in something that can cause cannibalism if ingested or smoked, right?

Anyway, since I have some expensive bath shit, I'm relieved to report that I don't have to throw anything out. I might have been pissed enough to eat someone's face.

Bath salts are a packaged synthetic drug that are supposed to mimic the effects of meth. They were sold it 1g and 5g packs. Similar to how spice is a synthetic form of marijuana, which are also sold across the country in 1g, 1.5g, 5g packs. For a time they could be bought in smoke shops, liquor stores, etc.

The bath salts were quickly banned by the DEA and have been illegal in a lot of foreign countries for some time.

These aren't the items under your sink, I assure you.

[Tisket]

Bath salts are a packaged synthetic drug that are supposed to mimic the effects of meth. They were sold it 1g and 5g packs. Similar to how spice is a synthetic form of marijuana, which are also sold across the country in 1g, 1.5g, 5g packs. For a time they could be bought in smoke shops, liquor stores, etc.

The bath salts were quickly banned by the DEA and have been illegal in a lot of foreign countries for some time.

These aren't the items under your sink, I assure you.

No shit, Sherlock. Thanks for weighing in after everyone already knows this. Maybe now you can set us straight about how the world is not, in fact, flat?

[SHAFT]

No shit, Sherlock. Thanks for weighing in after everyone already knows this. Maybe now you can set us straight about how the world is not, in fact, flat?

My name is not Sherlock

Actually, you're cuntiness has given me the urge to go have some world class sushi for lunch. Perhaps if you're husband ate more sushi you wouldn't be such a bitch all the time.

[Gelston]

http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/

Excerpt: Space agencies of world spread globularist agenda using so-called space images... Space travel is a Round Earth fundamentalist hoax

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/

Excerpt: Space agencies of world spread globularist agenda using so-called space images... Space travel is a Round Earth fundamentalist hoax

Oh god that brings back memories.

My AP Physics class got the teacher a membership as an end of the year gag, complete with a coin and a certificate. We just left it on the overhead projector and waited for him to register what it was. He framed it and put it up on his office wall :lol:

[Androidpk]

Fucking turtles.

[MotleyCrew]

Leave it to Japan to take cannibalism to a whole new level.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/13784587/japanese-man-cooks-serves-own-genitals/

TOKYO (AFP) - A Japanese artist cooked his own genitals and served them to five paying diners in Tokyo to cover the medical costs, in a bizarre act to raise awareness about sexual minorities.

Mao Sugiyama had his penis and testicles surgically removed in March and kept them frozen for two months before dishing them out -- seasoned and braised -- to customers at an event hall on May 13, according to postings on his Twitter account and local police.

Diners paid 20,000 yen ($250) for the plate with a portion of genitals. Pictures published on a website appeared to show the meal came complete with mushrooms and a parsley garnish.

The painter, who is reportedly 22, said on Twitter the organ had been removed by a physician and certified to be free of infections.

The meal was prepared under the supervision of a certified cook and diners were required to sign a waiver indemnifying Sugiyama and event organisers.

In May 18 tweets, the artist said steps were taken so the act met all relevant laws, including a ban on organ sales, processing of medical waste and even food sanitation requirements.

"I receive questions from some women and men... asking 'Will there be a next time? Please host it again.' But there is only one set of male organ," he tweeted on May 16.

"Unfortunately, I have no plan for the next time."

Sugiyama, who considers himself "asexual", that is without gender, initially thought about eating the genitals himself, but decided to solicit paying customers to help pay his hospital bills for the surgery.

In an email to AFP, he confirmed the event had taken place and said it was organised to raise awareness about "sexual minorities, x-gender, asexual people". He said he was readying to publish an official account of the day.

Police in Tokyo said they knew of the episode, but added that it had not broken the law as cannibalism was not illegal in Japan.
"We are aware of the case. There was nothing (criminal) to it. It does not violate any detailed rules. There is nothing to take action about," an officer at Suginami police station told AFP.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

But.. how does he pee?

[4a6c1]

That story fully engages my gag reflex.

[Latrinsorm]

Awesome, this thread didn't have enough reposts in it yet.

Where have you gone, NocturnalRob?

[Drunken Durfin]

But.. how does he pee?

Go get a Windex bottle out from under your sink. Put it on SPRAY, not STREAM, and pull the trigger. Ta da.

[4a6c1]

Where have you gone, NocturnalRob?

Probably in a cubicle somewhere doing something really boring.

[Some Rogue]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/thatface.png

[Drew]

I'm going out tonight but I'm moderately worried someone is going to eat a body part of mine (not in a positive euphemistic way).

[Tisket]

Where have you gone, NocturnalRob?

Talking about missing persons...whatever happened to iJin? Maybe she drowned in a vat of Dr. Pepper.

It could happen.

[Androidpk]

Rob is in Georgia fornicating with Diethx. Dunno about Jin but I saw her on AIM the other day.

[subzero]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/thatface.png

Robo-trippin on bath salts. I like that.

[Drunken Durfin]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/thatface.png

Very annoyed to see that was removed. People have no sense of humor.

[diethx]

Rob is in Georgia fornicating with Diethx. Dunno about Jin but I saw her on AIM the other day.

Ahahaha, no. I don't think he's even here yet.

Jin is on FB all the time, no idea why she doesn't post here anymore.

[Drunken Durfin]

...no idea why she doesn't post here anymore.

Does Jin's status say "eating brains"?

[diethx]

Not exactly. As of 22 minutes ago she was eating at The Hat. That could very well mean brains.

[Drunken Durfin]

Not exactly. As of 22 minutes ago she was eating at The Hat. That could very well mean brains.

That is totally early infection zombie code. I am reminded of THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLSL8E-FLrQ).

[Lady Lightning]

Which part would you try first? (insert bad jokes)

http://youtu.be/2FaDzlvPxis

[zhelas]

ROFL
Zombie Bullets In High Demand Following Flesh-Eating Attacks
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/06/07/zombie-bullets-in-high-demand-following-flesh-eating-attacks/
DETROIT (WWJ) – Worried about a zombie attack? Buy zombie bullets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bQWb-5nblx4

Talk about zombies and a possible zombie apocalypse has increased due to recent gory accounts of drug-induced, flesh-eating attacks in the news.

Stores across the U.S., including in Metro Detroit, are getting in on the undead action by selling Zombie Bullets, made by Hornady Manufacturing.

In promoting the product on their website, Hornady suggests, “Be PREPARED – supply yourself for the Zombie Apocalypse with Zombie Max ammunition from Hornady! Loaded with PROVEN Z-Max bullets… MAKE DEAD PERMANENT!”

So, will this ammunition actually defend against the things that go bump in the night?

WWJ Newsradio 950′s Zahra Huber spoke with company spokesman, Everett Deger, who said, while the bullets are real, they’re only meant to be used on targets and not on people (or zombies).
Zombie Bullets In High Demand Following Flesh Eating Attacks

http://cbsdetroit.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/z-max.jpg

Deger said company president Steve Hornady came up with the idea for Zombie Max bullets because of his love for zombie movies and shows.

“After it gained some acceptance among some of us here in the company got on board with the idea we decided just to have some fun with a marketing plan that would allow us to create some ammunition designed for that … fictional world,” Deger said.

He said the Zombie Max and Z-Max bullets are Hornady’s most successful products.

“This is probably one of the only (product) launches that we’ve seen when people who are not in the hunting and shooting industry will go out and they will purchase this,” Deger said.

“I mean, I’ve heard of guys who buy it just because they think the packaging is cool and they set it on their cube and they don’t even own a gun,” he said. ”It has that sort of cross-market appeal, which I think is rare to find these days, where you can actually sell something that will transcend not just one market but go into several.”

[iJin]

Not exactly. As of 22 minutes ago she was eating at The Hat. That could very well mean brains.

They were delicious pastrami brains.

[Atlanteax]

Update on the Face-Eating... VICTIM:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/12/ronald-poppo-face-chewing_n_1590459.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl24|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D169285

Updated photo of victim ... CAUTION ... you *will* wince ... http://i.huffpost.com/gen/643174/thumbs/o-RONALD-POPPO-PHOTOS-FACE-GRAPHIC-570.jpg?4

[AnticorRifling]

Worst spiderman costume ever.

[Bhaalizmo]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/Wolfnatas/Other/527862_10150864661201604_2038514355_n.jpg

[Bhaalizmo]

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/533430_430406260314610_523303119_n.jpg

[SHAFT]

Zombie Apocalypse rages on in Florida!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/21/charles-baker-got-naked-ate-flesh-of-jeffery-blake_n_1615800.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

[zhelas]

It spreads to TX!
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/national/another-zombie-like-attack-man-eats-family-dog-after-police-say-he-ingested-synthetic-drug-k-2#ixzz1ysDMduO3

Another "zombie-like" attack? Man eats family dog after police say he ingested synthetic drug K-2

http://media2.abcactionnews.com//photo/2012/06/26/michael-daniel_20120626011302_320_240.JPG

WACO, Texas - Police in Waco arrested 22-year-old Michael Daniel Monday after they say he ate a dog.

Family members called police on June 14th, saying Daniel assaulted people at the home, chased a neighbor and started barking and growling.

What happened next is horrific.

Witnesses say Daniel grabbed the family dog, beat and strangled it...then started to eat it.

The dog died at the home.

Daniel is believed to have been on a bad trip from ingesting "K-2," a synthetic drug.

He was taken to the hospital and now faces a felony charge for animal cruelty.

[Gelston]

That sounds more like he was turning into a werewolf or something.

[Back]

In China thats haute cuisine.

[AnticorRifling]

Lol nicely done Back.

[Tgo01]

Only drugs found in man's system was marijuana. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/27/rudy-eugene-toxicology-te_n_1632253.html?1340831905&icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk1%26pLid%3D173862)


It wasn't bath salts.

According to a full toxicology report released Wednesday afternoon by the Miami-Dade medical examiner, the only drug detected in the lifeless body of infamous Miami face-chewer Rudy Eugene was marijuana.

"The department's toxicology laboratory has identified the active components of marijuana," the medical examiner said in a statement, according to NBC Miami. "The laboratory has tested for but not detected any other street drugs, alcohol or prescription drugs...This includes cocaine, LSD, amphetamines (Extasy, Meth and others), phencyclidine (PCP or Angel Dust), heroin, oxycodone, Xanax, synthetic marijuana (Spice), and many other similar compounds."

CBS Miami reports that the medical examiner's office sought the assistance of an "outside forensic toxicology reference laboratory" to help confirm the absence of common ingredients of bath salts, a synthetic amphetamine cocktail blamed in several recent incidents that bear some similarity to Eugene's attack.

"Within the limits of current technology by both laboratories," read the report from Medical Examiner Dr. Bruce Hyma, "marijuana is the only drug identified in the body of Mr. Rudy Eugene."

Eugene, 31, was widely speculated to have been on some form of synthetic drugs or suffering a drug-induced psychosis the afternoon of May 26 when he stripped naked and brutally attacked homeless resident Ronald Poppo in broad daylight along Miami's busy MacArthur Causeway, chewing and ripping off roughly half of the older man's face.

A police officer responding to multiple 911 calls shot and killed Eugene as he crouched over Poppo, reportedly refusing to stop the gruesome assault by growling at the officer with Poppo's flesh in his mouth. The 18-minute attack and its aftermath were captured on surveillance video from the Miami Herald's parking garage, but it is still unknown what prompted Eugene to commit such a horrific crime.

Records show the former North Miami Beach High football player had been arrested 8 times since the age of 16, including 4 instances involving marijuana. But though he was once accused of threatening to kill his mother, friends and family members alike say they never expected such violence from Eugene, who was participating in a Bible study, reading the Koran, and telling friends he wanted to stop smoking marijuana.

“Something happened out of the ordinary that day. I don’t want him to be labeled the Miami Zombie,” Eugene's girlfriend told the Herald. “He was a person. I don’t want him to go down like that.”

Poppo, meanwhile, is doing "well," according to doctors at Jackson Memorial Hospital's Ryder Trauma Center. The 65-year-old has lost one eye, is missing his nose, and faces a string of surgeries to repair his wounds and reconstruct his face.

"We have mental health professionals to help him with the coping, and he's coping remarkably well," said plastic surgeon Dr. Wrood Kassira.

Not looking good for the "legalize weed" crowd.

[Manamethis]

Munchies from hell?

[Bobmuhthol]

How I read it:


http://media2.abcactionnews.com//photo/2012/06/26/michael-daniel_20120626011302_320_240.JPG

WACO, Texas - Police in Waco arrested 22-year-old Michael Daniel Monday after they say he ate a hot dog.

Family members called police on June 14th, saying Daniel assaulted people at the home, chased a neighbor and started barking and growling.

What happened next is horrific.

It took me until the next line to realize my mistake, and I spent a few seconds wondering what the fuck the world was coming to.

And then I still wondered afterward.

[leifastagsweed]

Only drugs found in man's system was marijuana. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/27/rudy-eugene-toxicology-te_n_1632253.html?1340831905&icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk1%26pLid%3D173862)



Not looking good for the "legalize weed" crowd.

So not a reason. He was obviously just insane.

[Tgo01]

So not a reason. He was obviously just insane.

I was mostly kidding when I hinted that weed caused this man to eat another man's face, but why are you so quick to dismiss that marijuana might have played a role in this at all?

I think it's safe to say that normal people don't eat other people, they especially don't insist on both parties being naked prior to the feast. His family and (girlfriend? fiance?) haven't hinted that he had any sort of psychological problem. So what caused this man to suddenly "snap" and decide "hey, that man's face over there looks pretty tasty."

[Latrinsorm]

I believe the research showing that marijuana can be linked to psychosis.

However.

I also believe that people in general and Americans in particular are absolutely terrible at diagnosing each others' mental wellness. The stigma on mental illness cannot be overstated. IT'S THE WORST AND MOST TERRIBLE THING IN ALL POSSIBLE UNIVERSES!!! Ok I guess it can be overstated. The point is, we're at the center.

[Lanithar]

Zombie survival plan: step 1 befriend someone who is prepared, step 2 kill them, step 3 win apocalypse.

[WRoss]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/cannibal-attack-china-drunk-bus-1111517

It spread to China

[subzero]

I believe the research showing that marijuana can be linked to psychosis.


Smoke weed for a couple years and get back to us.

[Latrinsorm]

That seems somewhat contradictory.

[subzero]

That seems somewhat contradictory.

I expect that if you were to smoke for some time, you would indeed find your experience contradicts this "research". The closest thing you could attribute to psychosis would be paranoia, and I believe that is caused by the negative social stigma/legality attached to using marijuana rather than the effects.

[Bobmuhthol]

You believe that people who smoke marijuana who experience paranoia do so because they are afraid of being judged by others and being arrested? That's a serious claim?

[Tgo01]

Marijuana is a drug, it alters the mind, it is going to have different effects on different people. It is impossible to say marijuana use is 100% safe for 100% of people, just like it's impossible to say that for any type of drug out there. It also depends on how often, how much and for how long people take the shit. Someone smoking weed three times a week during their college years probably isn't going to suffer from any negative side effects. Someone smoking weed everyday for 10+ years might suffer from anxiety, paranoia or panic attacks when they use weed or if they become addicted to the shit and go through withdrawals.

I'm not saying marijuana use turned a normal man into a cannibal, I'm saying it's possible he suffered from some sort of mental disability already and marijuana might have exacerbated the problem. Or there were drugs in his system that experts can't yet identify. Or he was just really hungry and had no money. Who knows.

[Tgo01]

You believe that people who smoke marijuana who experience paranoia do so because they are afraid of being judged by others and being arrested? That's a serious claim?

People are going to start applying for disability for this now.

[Latrinsorm]

I expect that if you were to smoke for some time, you would indeed find your experience contradicts this "research". The closest thing you could attribute to psychosis would be paranoia, and I believe that is caused by the negative social stigma/legality attached to using marijuana rather than the effects.Interesting. If I were to smoke tobacco cigarettes and not develop cancer, would that also "disprove" the "research"?

[Bobmuhthol]

The closest thing you could attribute to cancer would be carcinoma, and I believe that is caused by the negative social stigma/legality attached to using tobacco rather than the effects.

[Latrinsorm]

Quite good, quite good.

[subzero]

You believe that people who smoke marijuana who experience paranoia do so because they are afraid of being judged by others and being arrested? That's a serious claim?

Not because they're afraid of being judged, but because it's generally frowned upon to the point that most people have to hide it. When you feel the need to constantly hide something, whether it's because of a job, children, whatever, it's easy for paranoia to set in. And even then, I mean, it's pretty minor. I don't think I've ever really been paranoid from smoking.

[subzero]

Interesting. If I were to smoke tobacco cigarettes and not develop cancer, would that also "disprove" the "research"?

The problem I have with this so called research is the intent and people behind it. I simply don't trust it. Marijuana puts holes in your brain. It did in monkeys (oh, no, that's not true either), so it must in humans. It also makes black men want to rape your white women. The US Government said so. They wouldn't lie to us, especially with all the lobbyists that would be negatively impacted by hemp suddenly being a legal product in this country.

[AnticorRifling]

Be honest you get all of your information from Family Guy.

[Parkbandit]

I believe the research showing that marijuana can be linked to psychosis.


In before all the claims that there are no harmful effects for smoking pot. It's the wonder drug!

[Parkbandit]

Be honest you get all of your information from Family Guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjAflu2aWO4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Androidpk]

In before all the claims that there are no harmful effects for smoking pot. It's the wonder drug!

If you're smoking it yes, inhaling any type of burning material is harmful to your throat/lungs.

[Parkbandit]

If you're smoking it yes, inhaling any type of burning material is harmful to your throat/lungs.

You don't know. You have to be a 3 blunt per day smoker to know how wrong you are.

[Latrinsorm]

The problem I have with this so called research is the intent and people behind it. I simply don't trust it. Marijuana puts holes in your brain. It did in monkeys (oh, no, that's not true either), so it must in humans. It also makes black men want to rape your white women. The US Government said so. They wouldn't lie to us, especially with all the lobbyists that would be negatively impacted by hemp suddenly being a legal product in this country.I'm referring to research published in the Lancet in 2007. To my knowledge, it was not influenced by the US (or any other) government in any direct way.

Of course there was hysterical, completely unfounded fear-mongering about marijuana, no one can deny that. By nature of being completely unfounded, however, it offers no information on whether marijuana is or is not dangerous.

[Tenlaar]

By nature of being completely unfounded, however, it offers no information on whether marijuana is or is not dangerous.

I think that the almost 5,000 years of it's use without one single recorded death attributed solely to THC offers plenty of information.

Not carcinogens, not getting high and falling off of something or getting in a car accident - THC itself.

[Tgo01]

I think that the almost 5,000 years of it's use without one single recorded death attributed solely to THC offers plenty of information.

Not carcinogens, not getting high and falling off of something or getting in a car accident - THC itself.

Is that how we measure the safety of a drug now? How many deaths can be contributed solely to the use of the drug and not an effect of the drug that caused a death?

I guess going by that logic cigarettes are relatively safe since the vast majority of deaths from that habit can be attributed to cancer.

[Tenlaar]

There is no way to use tobacco that can not cause cancer. There are ways to ingest THC that do not have the health risks involved in smoking. If somebody knowingly chooses to use a safe substance in an unsafe manner, you cannot blame the substance itself.

[Latrinsorm]

I think that the almost 5,000 years of it's use without one single recorded death attributed solely to THC offers plenty of information.

Not carcinogens, not getting high and falling off of something or getting in a car accident - THC itself.I didn't say it caused death. I said it was linked to psychosis. Surely you agree that even our very tenuous understanding of mental illness is an extremely recent development in human history.

[Liagala]

There is no way to use tobacco that can not cause cancer. There are ways to ingest THC that do not have the health risks involved in smoking. If somebody knowingly chooses to use a safe substance in an unsafe manner, you cannot blame the substance itself.
But you're not talking about cancer. You're talking only about the substance itself. Actually, not even the substance. You're not talking about weed, just THC, a single chemical in marijuana. Are there any deaths attributed solely to nicotine?

[Androidpk]

You don't know. You have to be a 3 blunt per day smoker to know how wrong you are.

Who says I'm not?

[Tgo01]

There is no way to use tobacco that can not cause cancer.

Everyone who smokes cigarettes develops cancer? Source?

[diethx]

But you're not talking about cancer. You're talking only about the substance itself. Actually, not even the substance. You're not talking about weed, just THC, a single chemical in marijuana. Are there any deaths attributed solely to nicotine?

Yes. It's a really toxic poison if you ingest or come into contact with too much (ie smoke + patch, spill a nicotine insecticide on the skin, etc.)

[Androidpk]

Yes. It's a really toxic poison if you ingest or come into contact with too much (ie smoke + patch, spill a nicotine insecticide in the skin, etc.)

Yup, I just learned about this recently.

[Liagala]

Yes. It's a really toxic poison if you ingest or come into contact with too much (ie smoke + patch, spill a nicotine insecticide in the skin, etc.)
Who asked you??

Whatever. My point may have been wrong, but his is still retarded.

[Androidpk]

Who asked you??

Whatever. My point may have been wrong, but his is still retarded.

You may not like his point but it is indeed factual.

[Liagala]

You may not like his point but it is indeed factual.
His facts may indeed be spot-on (unlike mine, which is making me look like an idiot), but they do not prove what he thinks they do. THC being non-poisonous does not make weed safe. Ignoring the side-effects from using a substance does not make those side-effects go away.

[Tgo01]

Whatever. My point may have been wrong, but his is still retarded.

Your point was not wrong at all, after all he said:


If somebody knowingly chooses to use a safe substance in an unsafe manner, you cannot blame the substance itself.

You would have to chew (yes chew) about 40 cigarettes to overdose on nicotine, or as diethx pointed out misuse nicotine patches because that is absorbed directly into the skin.

If you smoke cigarettes "safely" you won't overdose on nicotine.

[Androidpk]

His facts may indeed be spot-on (unlike mine, which is making me look like an idiot), but they do not prove what he thinks they do. THC being non-poisonous does not make weed safe. Ignoring the side-effects from using a substance does not make those side-effects go away.

True, but i'm not sure what unsafe side effects you are talking about.

[AnticorRifling]

True, but i'm not sure what unsafe side effects you are talking about.

They include talking about getting high and or saying things like dude/bro/man a lot.

[Tenlaar]

Just saying that it is linked to psychosis is misleading. I have read both that it can increase and decrease signs of psychosis. Studies that have shown a possible link to increased psychosis by users have also been shown to fail to take into account factors such as other drug use, family history, and even a preexisting disposition. Studies that do take factors such as those into account have been unable to confirm the findings of studies that do not.

[diethx]

You would have to chew (yes chew) about 40 cigarettes to overdose on nicotine, or as diethx pointed out misuse nicotine patches because that is absorbed directly into the skin.

If you smoke cigarettes "safely" you won't overdose on nicotine.

It can happen with gum too I'd imagine. And if anyone's thinking of buying an e-cigarette, be careful from where you buy your flavorings. Idiots can buy the ingredients and whip that shit up at home (like some coworkers of my husband have been doing), and poison themselves or other people, if they decide to sell the stuff.

[Tenlaar]

Everyone who smokes cigarettes develops cancer? Source?

I said there is no way to use tobacco that CAN NOT cause cancer. I did not say that every user of tobacco gets cancer. Reading comprehension, it is your friend.

[Tgo01]

True, but i'm not sure what unsafe side effects you are talking about.

Probably impaired driving, anxiety, paranoia, panic attacks, other side effects when marijuana use is combined with other drugs such as alcohol and tobacco. Not to mention smoking marijuana can cause lung cancer, although Tenlaar prefers we don't talk about that since it damages his argument.

[Tgo01]

I said there is no way to use tobacco that CAN NOT cause cancer. I did not say that every user of tobacco gets cancer. Reading comprehension, it is your friend.

So if not everyone gets cancer from using tobacco I guess there are ways to "safely" use it right? I mean that's how we conclude which drugs are dangerous and which ones aren't right?

[Androidpk]

Your point was not wrong at all, after all he said:



You would have to chew (yes chew) about 40 cigarettes to overdose on nicotine, or as diethx pointed out misuse nicotine patches because that is absorbed directly into the skin.

If you smoke cigarettes "safely" you won't overdose on nicotine.

You're missing the point. She thought nicotine alone wasn't toxic. It is. Even tobacco farmers handling the raw leaves can get sick.

[Tgo01]

You're missing the point. She thought nicotine alone wasn't toxic. It is. Even tobacco farmers handling the raw leaves can get sick.

I'm not missing anything. He is making the claim that if you use a substance "safely" you can't condemn the substance. You can use tobacco "safely" and not succumb to nicotine poisoning.

[Warriorbird]

Saturated fat has side effects. Most of us love a good steak. A great many of us also like beer. Pot's never been my choice, but I can't see it as somehow that much more evil than saturated fat or alcohol.

[AnticorRifling]

I've never been impaired after eating a steak.

[Tgo01]

Saturated fat has side effects. Most of us love a good steak. A great many of us also like beer. Pot's never been my choice, but I can't see it as somehow that much more evil than saturated fat or alcohol.

I have no problem with marijuana being legalized and regulated like alcohol is. You know you can't smoke marijuana until you're 21, if there was some way to test how "stoned" you were it would be illegal to drive while you were X stoned, you need a license to grow and sell marijuana, you can only smoke at home or at designated places of business, etc etc.

I just wish people on both sides were a little more honest about the effects of marijuana. You have people on one extreme who say pot is the most evil thing in the entire world then you have people on the other extreme who refuse to accept that there are negative side effects to marijuana use and even go so far as to say marijuana can cure all cancers and bring about world peace. There are few people in the middle.

[Bhaalizmo]

I have nothing thoughtful to add to this debate. However, the last post made me think this.

Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right, here I am,
Stuck in the middle with you.

[EasternBrand]

I've never been impaired after eating a steak.

"[A] medical student in London, for whose knowledge in his profession I have reason to feel great respect, assured me the other day that a patient in recovering from an illness had got drunk on a beef-steak." - Thomas de Quincey

EDIT: A Victorian Englishman said it, so it's true.

[Latrinsorm]

But you're not talking about cancer. You're talking only about the substance itself. Actually, not even the substance. You're not talking about weed, just THC, a single chemical in marijuana. Are there any deaths attributed solely to nicotine?
Yup, I just learned about this recently.Don't you watch the Closer??? Nicotine poisoning was a cause of death early in season 1. It turns out that this person did it and Brenda gets them to confess.
Just saying that it is linked to psychosis is misleading. I have read both that it can increase and decrease signs of psychosis. Studies that have shown a possible link to increased psychosis by users have also been shown to fail to take into account factors such as other drug use, family history, and even a preexisting disposition. Studies that do take factors such as those into account have been unable to confirm the findings of studies that do not.The issues you raise were addressed in Kuepper et al (http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.d738) in 2011.
Saturated fat has side effects. Most of us love a good steak. A great many of us also like beer. Pot's never been my choice, but I can't see it as somehow that much more evil than saturated fat or alcohol.Before I learned about the psychosis connection, I had a similar position, but we can never go back to before.

[Warriorbird]

Before I learned about the psychosis connection, I had a similar position, but we can never go back to before.

I've seen a lot more "psychosis" from alcohol.

[Warriorbird]

"[A] medical student in London, for whose knowledge in his profession I have reason to feel great respect, assured me the other day that a patient in recovering from an illness had got drunk on a beef-steak." - Thomas de Quincey

EDIT: A Victorian Englishman said it, so it's true.

I suspect many restaurants could profit from finding that steak.

[Warriorbird]

I have no problem with marijuana being legalized and regulated like alcohol is. You know you can't smoke marijuana until you're 21, if there was some way to test how "stoned" you were it would be illegal to drive while you were X stoned, you need a license to grow and sell marijuana, you can only smoke at home or at designated places of business, etc etc.

I just wish people on both sides were a little more honest about the effects of marijuana. You have people on one extreme who say pot is the most evil thing in the entire world then you have people on the other extreme who refuse to accept that there are negative side effects to marijuana use and even go so far as to say marijuana can cure all cancers and bring about world peace. There are few people in the middle.

I think it'd certainly have to be regulated and taxed. I don't think people are honest about the effects of it either. I found it interesting that a lot of the pot growers in Cali lobbied against legalization because they feared major corporations would get into it. I think that suggests it should be legal.

[Androidpk]

Don't you watch the Closer???

Never.

[Latrinsorm]

I've seen a lot more "psychosis" from alcohol.Think about what you're saying though.
-diagnosing psychosis on sight
-remembering all said diagnoses
-subconsciously organizing and running analysis on that data
Do you really put more stock in that than in peer-reviewed research?
Never.Well... you should! It's very watchable.

[diethx]

The Closer is ending this summer. :/

Also, WB, the multi-quote button still works even though it's all bugged out. Just hit it once on each post then click reply to thread.

[Bobmuhthol]

I think that the almost 5,000 years of it's use without one single recorded death attributed solely to THC offers plenty of information.

Not carcinogens, not getting high and falling off of something or getting in a car accident - THC itself.

If you're going to use this argument and take yourself seriously, then you also believe LSD should be handed out to anyone willing.

[Bobmuhthol]

I said there is no way to use tobacco that CAN NOT cause cancer. I did not say that every user of tobacco gets cancer. Reading comprehension, it is your friend.

I don't know if anyone pointed this out yet, but your sentence, interpreted the way it is written, does not mean what you think it means.

[Tenlaar]

The issues you raise were addressed in Kuepper et al (http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.d738) in 2011.

I can quote studies too.


RESULTS:

At follow-up, 4.4% of the general population reported incident psychotic symptoms. Six factors were independently associated with incident symptoms: living in a rural area; having a small primary support group; more adverse life events; smoking tobacco; neurotic symptoms; and engaging in a harmful pattern of drinking.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16738341

A portion of society always has and always will display symptoms of psychosis. If a portion of the same society also uses marijuana, it is only logical that the two portions will overlap at points. And something that seems to generally be ignored is that most studies, like the one you quoted, are reporting on the effects of marijuana during adolescence. I don't believe anybody has said that children should be free to smoke weed. The argument is that fully developed, legal adults should have the right to choose if they want to use it, same as alcohol. Which does have much worse and more immediate effects on the body.


But a new study says no: the researchers followed nearly 2,000 young Australian adults for eight years and found that marijuana has little long-term effect on learning and memory— and any cognitive damage that does occur as a result of cannabis use is reversible.
http://healthland.time.com/2011/07/19/study-marijuana-not-linked-with-long-term-cognitive-impairment/

[Tenlaar]

If you're going to use this argument and take yourself seriously, then you also believe LSD should be handed out to anyone willing.

I believe that a willing legal adult should have the choice to use LSD if they want to. Maybe you've started to notice a trend here.

[Tenlaar]

I don't know if anyone pointed this out yet, but your sentence, interpreted the way it is written, does not mean what you think it means.

I believe your interpretation to be the problem here. It does mean what I think it means, which is exactly what I said.

[Bobmuhthol]

No, trust me, it doesn't mean what you think it means. I know it's not a sufficient argument for me to say, "Hey, but you're wrong," but you obviously don't understand what's correct, so I can't actually craft an argument that you'll understand.

[Bobmuhthol]

Remove all negations.

There is a way to use tobacco that can cause cancer.

First, notice that we all agree with this sentence.

Add the first negation.

There is NO way to use tobacco that can cause cancer.

Nobody agrees with this, since we know there is at least one way to use tobacco that can cause cancer.

Add the second negation.

There is NO way to use tobacco that can NOT cause cancer.

Well now you've told us that it is impossible to both use tobacco and not have that tobacco cause cancer, which implies exactly what Tgo01 said and you raged about: you're saying that all tobacco users develop cancer due to tobacco use, i.e. it is impossible for tobacco use to not cause cancer.

There's my best effort, and if you disagree with the proof at all, I will gladly show you a logic textbook.

[Androidpk]

Well... you should! It's very watchable.

TV makes your brain melt. Factoid.

[Tenlaar]

Well now you've told us that it is impossible to both use tobacco and not have that tobacco cause cancer, which implies exactly what Tgo01 said and you raged about: you're saying that all tobacco users develop cancer due to tobacco use, i.e. it is impossible for tobacco use to not cause cancer.

If I had said there is no way to use tobacco that does not cause cancer, you are right, I would be saying all tobacco users develop cancer. I said can not, not does not. There is no way to use tobacco that does not have the potential to cause cancer. You are arguing semantics, and weakly at that.

[Bobmuhthol]

No, I'm definitely right, actually. You telling me my interpretation was faulty and then changing your defense to, "Well that's semantics," when it's obviously semantics (I explicitly told you your sentence is not worded properly) should be a clear indicator.

[subzero]

THC being non-poisonous does not make weed safe. Ignoring the side-effects from using a substance does not make those side-effects go away.

Here's the problem as I see it. Marijuana is much safer than alcohol. It's also a lot safer than the pills that people are prescribed on a daily basis. I don't think anyone can legitimately begin to argue that. That alone should be pretty telling.

Here are some simple facts:
Legal drugs, such as alcohol and tobacco, do not provide a material that can be used in industrial production, while marijuana not only provides the material, but it does it far better than many of the current methods.
Marijuana is a schedule I narcotic. Some other schedule I's: GHB, LSD, Heroin, MDMA, Psilocybin, Peyote, and Mescaline. Schedule I's are the "highest" (no pun) level. According to the DEA: "Substances in this schedule have a high potential for abuse, have no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States, and there is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision." This puts marijuana in a category higher than things like oxycodone, meth, morphine, ketamine, hydrocodone, and cocaine.

If any of you really believe marijuana is illegal because of it's effects, you're in denial. The effects are in no way worse than that of already legal products, both over the counter and prescription. Look at the stuff I mentioned above. Do any of you (not the textbook people. I'm sorry, you've been told not to believe everything you read, and this is one of those times. You have absolutely no grasp on what the stuff does to someone. If you think you've seen it represented correctly on TV or movies, think again) believe that marijuana belongs in the same category as heroin and LSD? We all did these activities as children... one of these things is not like the other. Now ask yourself how it could be worse than the schedule II, III, and IV drugs- oxycontin, vicodin, meth, cocaine, etc. The only one of the three requisites for being a schedule I drug that can be attributed to marijuana is "have no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States". That also happens to be a pretty weak argument. Various countries and cultures around the world accept certain medicinal aspects of marijuana. There are, of course, people (doctors) in the US that also accept this. I'm not saying it's a miracle drug by any means. I believe that for the most part, the medicinal uses are limited and often probably covered better by other drugs. That does not qualify as having no medical use and last time I checked, there were no medical uses for alcohol or tobacco, so it's not as if that is some sort of requirement if it were to be a recreational drug.

It really does boil down to money in the end. Same reason we don't have algae farms producing fuel for our vehicles. Big Oil isn't about to let that happen if they can do anything at all about it. Crude oil has nothing on hemp. The math should be pretty simple when you grasp some of these things, or at the very least, it should be clear that things aren't adding up like they should. Kinda like 9/11, but that's another story altogether.

[Tenlaar]

Ok, it wasn't your interpretation, it was the fact that you were being purposefully dense and acting like you didn't know exactly what the sentence meant in order to detract from the debate at hand because you apparently have nothing else to offer. Better?

[Bobmuhthol]

No, I told you, bluntly and immediately, that the sentence you wrote is not the same as the sentence you meant to write.

[Warriorbird]

Think about what you're saying though.
-diagnosing psychosis on sight
-remembering all said diagnoses
-subconsciously organizing and running analysis on that data
Do you really put more stock in that than in peer-reviewed research?Well... you should! It's very watchable.

I suspect that alcohol would be the but for causation of countless more deaths.



Also, WB, the multi-quote button still works even though it's all bugged out. Just hit it once on each post then click reply to thread.

Err, yeah. Got it!

[subzero]

Also, WB, the multi-quote button still works even though it's all bugged out. Just hit it once on each post then click reply to thread.

I always kinda wondered what the purpose of that was. No-script apparently wrecks it, cause when I tried to use it in the past, it acts as if I'd just tried to do the normal quote.

[Liagala]

If any of you really believe marijuana is illegal because of it's effects, you're in denial. The effects are in no way worse than that of already legal products, both over the counter and prescription.
You quoted me, so I'm going to assume you're responding to me. Did I ever say that pot is even close to as harmful as heroin, crack, or LSD? No. Honestly, I wouldn't be at all upset if it were legalized and sold to adults on every street corner from here to Mexico (assuming there were some magic way to make sure no one ever drove a car or did anything else potentially dangerous when too stoned to do so - a judgement that is different for every person on the planet, and even changes over time with the same person. Good luck with that one). I wouldn't smoke, but that's a personal decision and not some moral high horse.

I think you're a total moron if you want to try to claim that it's 100% safe, or has no harmful side effects. Choosing to believe that getting high does no damage to your body whatsoever is willful ignorance, plain and simple. Smoking cigarettes does damage, drinking alcohol does damage, getting high does as well. Deal with it. Getting baked also screws with your mental state, leading to not-so-bright decisions and poor reaction times, just like alcohol. Those can both harm you and others even if your body is able to safely eliminate the substance itself this time around.

[subzero]

You quoted me, so I'm going to assume you're responding to me.

You just happened to have a good quote to go off of. I tried to make it an indirect response, but I guess that didn't work out.


I think you're a total moron if you want to try to claim that it's 100% safe, or has no harmful side effects. Choosing to believe that getting high does no damage to your body whatsoever is willful ignorance, plain and simple. Smoking cigarettes does damage, drinking alcohol does damage, getting high does as well. Deal with it. Getting baked also screws with your mental state, leading to not-so-bright decisions and poor reaction times, just like alcohol. Those can both harm you and others even if your body is able to safely eliminate the substance itself this time around.

I guess it depends on how we're going to define safe. When I think of drugs are far as safety goes, I'm thinking along the lines of, "Is this drug going to kill me or damage me in a manner that most sane people do not want inflicted upon themselves? Does it have the potential to distort my reality to the point that I may harm myself or others?" Outside of those things, pretty much any drug has the potential to cause harm if you're doing stupid shit like driving. There are drugs that you can take and know that you shouldn't do certain things and then there are those that you can take and not realize what should and should not be done; bad decisions can't always be blamed on drugs. Marijuana falls into the safe category where I'm concerned. It's not going to hurt you and you're not out of your mind, so if you make a bad choice, that's on you, not the drug.

[Latrinsorm]

I can quote studies too.Good!
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16738341

A portion of society always has and always will display symptoms of psychosis. If a portion of the same society also uses marijuana, it is only logical that the two portions will overlap at points.Of course. This is why the good Lord came up with the standard deviation. If psychosis among marijuana users is higher to a statistically significant degree, and we control for all other variables (or as best we can), we can conclude that the incidence of psychosis is not merely that which occurs among non-marijuana users. This is what Kuepper refers to as the "confidence interval". If you notice, the first cited ratio's limits are 1.1 to to 3.1. Because the limit doesn't touch 1 or below, and because the confidence interval is at 95%, to disbelieve the finding is akin to betting on a 20 coming up in one roll of a d20. Would you wager your mind on such a bet?
And something that seems to generally be ignored is that most studies, like the one you quoted, are reporting on the effects of marijuana during adolescence. I don't believe anybody has said that children should be free to smoke weed. The argument is that fully developed, legal adults should have the right to choose if they want to use it, same as alcohol. Which does have much worse and more immediate effects on the body.Okay. Is it therefore your contention that while marijuana increases risk of psychosis in adolescents, there is no reason to believe it does so in adults? I also think you should review Kuepper a little more carefully, they claim that their age range goes up to 24.
http://healthland.time.com/2011/07/19/study-marijuana-not-linked-with-long-term-cognitive-impairment/Okay. I do not think psychosis necessarily impacts learning or memory, so it does not follow that these tests of learning and memory rule out psychosis.
If any of you really believe marijuana is illegal because of it's effects, you're in denial.To my knowledge, no one has claimed to explain why marijuana is illegal (except you). The issue of contention is just what those effects are. Your repeated insistences notwithstanding, the issue is still being contended.
I suspect that alcohol would be the but for causation of countless more deaths.Okay. I do not believe, however, that in any way addresses the point you and I were talking about.

[subzero]

To my knowledge, no one has claimed to explain why marijuana is illegal (except you). The issue of contention is just what those effects are. Your repeated insistences notwithstanding, the issue is still being contended.

Sleepy, happy, hungry. Maybe throw in some mild paranoia (which is where the psychosis link comes from). Those are all well documented. Even if you want to consider the temporary paranoia, it's a rare side effect. Much like 90% of the shit on an Advil bottle. What is the point of such contention if not in relation to legality? Again, there are OTC drugs that have side effects that are much more concerning than anything from marijuana, yet no one talks about those. Why? Because they aren't illegal; people don't give a shit that Robitussin can send you on a crazy trip because it's got the FDA's stamp of approval.

[Bobmuhthol]

Please do not bother jumping into discussions if all you have to offer is picking apart a sentence that you immediately understood the exact meaning of just to be a dick. And, fuck you for thinking my dismissing your bullshit means you "won." Tenlaar

This guy is a piece of work.

[Tenlaar]

The learning and memory study was just to go along with the part about how much worse alcohol is, since it goes against what seems to be the most common thing attributed to marijuana use - that it kills the brain and makes people stupid.


Is it therefore your contention that while marijuana increases risk of psychosis in adolescents, there is no reason to believe it does so in adults? I also think you should review Kuepper a little more carefully, they claim that their age range goes up to 24.

My contention is that using any number of substances during the most formative periods of the body and brain cause problems, that it is not something unique to marijuana at all. And as I've said, I certainly don't think it is good for teenagers to use it. Also, I haven't seen in that study where it shows how many of each catagory (the exposed and non-exposed) were at what ages. Now, I really do find this study interesting, and I would like to discuss some parts of it.


presence of psychotic experiences was broadly defined as any rating of present on any of the 20 DIAX/M-CIDI core psychosis items (G1, G2a, G3-G5, G7-G13, G13b, G14, G17, G18, G20, G20C, G21, and G22a), including 14 delusion items, five hallucination items, and one item on passivity phenomena. Items relate to classic psychotic symptoms involving, for example, persecution, thought interference, auditory hallucinations, and passivity phenomena.

With no further explanation provided, this right here seems to be a problem to me. Feeling or fear of persecution used as a symptom of psychosis when you are studying users of an illegal narcotic? If I'm not mistaken, the study began almost 10 years before the de-facto decriminalization in Germany, and even now some areas are still much more strict about it than others. There are no details about how exactly they defined the persecution aspect to the participants, so I really have to wonder about the validity of including it in a test about a group of people who do, in fact, face persecution.

As the participants were asked on a strict yes/no basis, how many of the people described as having higher rates of psychosis could have been people with an experience like "Man, this one time, I was super high, and I swear I heard a baby laughing!" or "One time I got high and I was looking at the stars and for like three hours I couldn't stop thinking about if the universe was going to reach the extent of it's outward expansion and begin to collapse back in on itself and time will MOVE BACKWARDS!" As far as I can tell, both of these would move somebody into the psychotic column. Can this truly be an accurate basis for determining the dangers of marijuana usage? While it does say...


Firstly, information on substance use and psychosis outcome was acquired with the DIA-X/M-CIDI, which essentially provides self reported information. The interview was conducted face to face by clinical psychologists, however, who were allowed to follow up with clinical questioning to ensure systematic and valid assessment of outcomes and can therefore be assumed to yield better and more valid results than a self report questionnaire

...there is no information there as to whether the clinical questioning would remove these sorts of experiences or not. Maybe the second example, as it is a pretty minor and limited example of "thought interference," but how can we know? Then is also the liar factor - we're humans, we do it. A lot. For some people it is not hard at all to lie straight to a mental health professional's face. I know, I did it quite a few times in the past. How can there be any assurance that people who have described instance psychotic symptoms have not also used LSD, cocaine, meth, etc. There is even the possibility of unknowingly smoking marijuana laced with other substances. I will not say that it is an extremely common occurrence, but it's not out of the question that it could be responsible for increasing the percentage by one or even a few points.

As for the age range being 14-24, this is an important part of it as well:


Because our primary goal was to examine the incidence and developmental risk factors for psychopathology, we sampled the younger group (age 14-15), presumed to have the highest incidence density, at twice the rate of people aged 16-21 and sampled the oldest group (age 22-24) at half this rate. For the same reason we examined people aged 14-17 at baseline at the four time points and those aged 18-24 only three times (baseline, T2, T3)

We're talking 5 years between T2 and T3 for the 18-24 group. How many of the non-exposed could have forgotten that one time three years ago that they were so sure they had heard something weird that it kind of freaked them out? The time a couple of years ago that they started walking home really fast and went in and locked the door real quick with their heart pounding because they had that weird feeling like somebody is following them? Unless I'm completely off here, these kinds of things are written off as a flight of fancy and forgotten in a few days by almost everybody - yet it would seem that it would move somebody into the psychotic group based off of their admittedly "rather broad outcome measure."

It's an interesting study but I have a hard time determining how much it actually proves given the information that is readily available about it, and I certainly don't have time to peruse the 47 referenced articles.

And Bob - add something to the discussion or fuck off.

[TheEschaton]

My contention is that using any number of substances during the most formative periods of the body and brain cause problems, that it is not something unique to marijuana at all. And as I've said, I certainly don't think it is good for teenagers to use it. Also, I haven't seen in that study where it shows how many of each catagory (the exposed and non-exposed) were at what ages. Now, I really do find this study interesting, and I would like to discuss some parts of it.


Unfortunately, if you don't hook 'em young, you're not likely to smoke pot as an adult, because hey, we got shit to do.



With no further explanation provided, this right here seems to be a problem to me. Feeling or fear of persecution used as a symptom of psychosis when you are studying users of an illegal narcotic? If I'm not mistaken, the study began almost 10 years before the de-facto decriminalization in Germany, and even now some areas are still much more strict about it than others. There are no details about how exactly they defined the persecution aspect to the participants, so I really have to wonder about the validity of including it in a test about a group of people who do, in fact, face persecution.

As the participants were asked on a strict yes/no basis, how many of the people described as having higher rates of psychosis could have been people with an experience like "Man, this one time, I was super high, and I swear I heard a baby laughing!" or "One time I got high and I was looking at the stars and for like three hours I couldn't stop thinking about if the universe was going to reach the extent of it's outward expansion and begin to collapse back in on itself and time will MOVE BACKWARDS!" As far as I can tell, both of these would move somebody into the psychotic column. Can this truly be an accurate basis for determining the dangers of marijuana usage? While it does say...



...there is no information there as to whether the clinical questioning would remove these sorts of experiences or not. Maybe the second example, as it is a pretty minor and limited example of "thought interference," but how can we know? Then is also the liar factor - we're humans, we do it. A lot. For some people it is not hard at all to lie straight to a mental health professional's face. I know, I did it quite a few times in the past. How can there be any assurance that people who have described instance psychotic symptoms have not also used LSD, cocaine, meth, etc. There is even the possibility of unknowingly smoking marijuana laced with other substances. I will not say that it is an extremely common occurrence, but it's not out of the question that it could be responsible for increasing the percentage by one or even a few points.

As for the age range being 14-24, this is an important part of it as well:



We're talking 5 years between T2 and T3 for the 18-24 group. How many of the non-exposed could have forgotten that one time three years ago that they were so sure they had heard something weird that it kind of freaked them out? The time a couple of years ago that they started walking home really fast and went in and locked the door real quick with their heart pounding because they had that weird feeling like somebody is following them? Unless I'm completely off here, these kinds of things are written off as a flight of fancy and forgotten in a few days by almost everybody - yet it would seem that it would move somebody into the psychotic group based off of their admittedly "rather broad outcome measure."

It's an interesting study but I have a hard time determining how much it actually proves given the information that is readily available about it, and I certainly don't have time to peruse the 47 referenced articles.

I'm not familiar with the diagnoses nor the guidelines for them, but the serious DSM diagnoses require actual patterns and periods of behavior to qualify as a particular diagnosis. I doubt the guidelines for determining psychosis are any less stringent, they may even be more stringent. I don't think you're going to find any mental health professional who says a one-off "flight of fancy" type event qualifies as a diagnosis.

[Tenlaar]

Furthermore, we used a rather broad outcome measure, defined as a minimum of one positive rating on a G section item, representing psychotic experiences rather than clinically relevant psychotic disorder.

...

The psychologist invited participants to read a list of all the psychotic experiences and then asked them whether they ever experienced such symptoms (list and phrasing available on request). All these psychosis items were rated as absent or present. Thus, all the psychosis DIA-X/M-CIDI items used in the present study were coded in a dichotomous manner without intermediate levels. Psychotic symptoms at T2 accordingly referred to lifetime occurrence of at least one positive rating on any psychosis item in the G section; T3 psychotic symptoms denote interval occurrence of at least one positive rating on any psychosis item in this section.

This is what leads me to wonder if those kinds of experiences are padding the psychosis side, at least to some degree.

[Gnome Rage]

I'm not going back to see if this was posted. But on the radio last night they said a dude somewhere in Asia (I think they said China but I can't be sure so I'm generalizing) got drunk on his lunch break, jumped from a moving bus (which he was driving) and chewed off some lady's face.

[Androidpk]

She was in her car and he jumped on the hood and started pounding on the windshield. Why she got out of the car I have no idea.

[4a6c1]

I always eat faces when I road rage. I thought it was a lunch hour traffic thing. Totally acceptable.

[Androidpk]

Only on Sunday.

[Warriorbird]

I do not believe, however, that in any way addresses the point you and I were talking about.

It does in the sense that "OMG it causes psychosis in a tiny percentage of people!" means that it is likely comparatively much less dangerous than a legal and readily available substance.

Pitch on the disaster that our drug enforcement/sentencing are as a country, and I think it should be legal.

[Latrinsorm]

Sleepy, happy, hungry. Maybe throw in some mild paranoia (which is where the psychosis link comes from). Those are all well documented. Even if you want to consider the temporary paranoia, it's a rare side effect. Much like 90% of the shit on an Advil bottle.I think it would do you good to read Tenlaar's post. In short, your hypothesis regarding the source of psychosis diagnoses is not accurate.
What is the point of such contention if not in relation to legality?Establishing facts is a point in itself.
It's an interesting study but I have a hard time determining how much it actually proves given the information that is readily available about it, and I certainly don't have time to peruse the 47 referenced articles.I am quoting only this sentence because otherwise the post would be very long. As I understand your post, your two main points are:
1. broad range of symptoms classified as psychosis
2. people lie
I feel my rebuttal is very strong, and it is this: both groups, users and non-users, were subjected to the same criteria for both points. I don't think we have any reason to believe one group would be more or less likely to lie, or more or less likely to recall potential psychotic symptoms; if one side is padded, surely the other side is as well. I also think that the usage of clinical psychologists goes a long way to addressing both weaknesses that certainly could be potentially catastrophic with mere self-reporting. If the study had only looked at users and compared that to some other methodology's rate of psychosis, that would be one thing, but I think they did well in having a control group.

Another point you made about the potential of laced drugs, especially for infrequent users, is also worth considering. To that I would respond by going back to Moore 2007, which suggests escalating risks for continued use. I do not use marijuana, but I would think that people who use it frequently would be more likely to recognize and avoid contaminated supply, at least as far as unknowing use goes.

[Latrinsorm]

It does in the sense that "OMG it causes psychosis in a tiny percentage of people!" means that it is likely comparatively much less dangerous than a legal and readily available substance.

Pitch on the disaster that our drug enforcement/sentencing are as a country, and I think it should be legal.I think you think I have a next step or end game in mind, but that is simply not the case. If you recall, this discussion began when I simply made the comment that I believed X research. I did not say (and have not said) "therefore it should/shouldn't be illegal", or "therefore it is more/less dangerous than Y drug". All I'm aiming to do is better establish what the actual effects are in an absolute sense, not relative to any other drug.

If we agree that marijuana seems to increase the risk of psychosis, you and I, then I am satisfied.

[Warriorbird]

I think you think I have a next step or end game in mind, but that is simply not the case. If you recall, this discussion began when I simply made the comment that I believed X research. I did not say (and have not said) "therefore it should/shouldn't be illegal", or "therefore it is more/less dangerous than Y drug". All I'm aiming to do is better establish what the actual effects are in an absolute sense, not relative to any other drug.

If we agree that marijuana seems to increase the risk of psychosis, you and I, then I am satisfied.

We do. I've read it too. Though, notably, given the research on the cultural ramifications of intoxication of all sorts, we may be threatening people just discussing it.

[Tenlaar]

Unfortunately, if you don't hook 'em young, you're not likely to smoke pot as an adult, because hey, we got shit to do.

I forgot about this part earlier, but does that same logic hold true with alcohol? Do you think it is rare for people to start drinking on a regular basis after turning 21?

[Latrinsorm]

We do. I've read it too. Though, notably, given the research on the cultural ramifications of intoxication of all sorts, we may be threatening people just discussing it.Then I am satisfied.
I forgot about this part earlier, but does that same logic hold true with alcohol? Do you think it is rare for people to start drinking on a regular basis after turning 21?I believe I was 22 or 23 when I started drinking regularly. With all the ways I am not representative of the mean, it stands to reason that sooner or later one would be... but probably not this one either.

[4a6c1]

Many countries allow their children to drink pretty regularly. I'll never forgot being in Sun City in South Africa and being served complimentary tea with some sort of brown hard liquor every morning for breakfast. I think it was whiskey. I just didnt drink it. Gross.

[Tenlaar]

1. broad range of symptoms classified as psychosis

It is more than just the broad range, it is also the lack of definition as to how severe a symptom must be in order to be classified as a true incident psychotic symptom. When they say auditory hallucinations, do they mean I swear I heard a baby crying or the Devil told me to kill babies? Anything in between, everything in between? This is a very important piece of information needed to take the study and it's results seriously, and it is nowhere to be found.


2. people lie
I feel my rebuttal is very strong, and it is this: both groups, users and non-users, were subjected to the same criteria for both points. I don't think we have any reason to believe one group would be more or less likely to lie, or more or less likely to recall potential psychotic symptoms; if one side is padded, surely the other side is as well.

I do feel that people who experience what I would consider a normal weird out moment while high, especially infrequent users, might be more likely to remember that event due to possibly linking it in their mind to the marijuana. Obviously I have no hard proof, just how it seems to me.


I would think that people who use it frequently would be more likely to recognize and avoid contaminated supply, at least as far as unknowing use goes.

While it is easier to tell something doesn't seem right when examining a bag for a frequent user who is actually very interested in more than just smoking marijuana, most people are not that informed. Take a few minutes and look at the sheer variety of looks for different strains of marijuana. The difference between thoroughly kiefed vs. not. The difference between shitty compressed brick weed and beautiful home grown buds. A lot of users don't even know the different between male and female plants. Also, people who smoke more frequently generally know other people who smoke more frequently, which leads to more incidents of "Hey man, hit this shit." I would think them more likely to hit a random joint or blunt at a party, etc. That one is a bit harder for me to know with certainty as I am basically a hermit and can't stand being around many people.

[Kuyuk]

Many countries allow their children to drink pretty regularly. I'll never forgot being in Sun City in South Africa and being served complimentary tea with some sort of brown hard liquor every morning for breakfast. I think it was whiskey. I just didnt drink it. Gross.

I'd start drinking hard alcohol as soon as I woke if I lived in South Africa too.

[Back]

Many countries allow their children to drink pretty regularly. I'll never forgot being in Sun City in South Africa and being served complimentary tea with some sort of brown hard liquor every morning for breakfast. I think it was whiskey. I just didnt drink it. Gross.

RASCIST!

[diethx]

This thread now:

http://pinkagendist.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/dildo-clasico-hank-negro-384.png

[Kuyuk]

too small to be black

right rojo?!?!

[Tgo01]

Oh Florida (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/26/levan-allman-cloud-9-butcher-knife-roommate_n_1705359.html?utm_hp_ref=miami&icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D184698).


A South Florida man, reportedly high on synthetic marijuana, told police he attacked his friend with a meat cleaver because the television told him she was going to eat him, according to a police report obtained by Local 10.

Police report that Levan Allman, 24, was smoking Cloud 9 with Divia Bell in the backyard of his Sunrise home on Saturday. When she fell asleep, Allman allegedly went inside to watch television before coming back outside with a butcher knife and stabbing Bell four or five times.

During the attack, according to the Sun Sentinel, Bell asked him, “Why are you doing this?,” which prompted Allman to call 911 and confess what he did. The attack left Bell with slashes on her head, arms and hands. She was taken to the hospital.

When police arrived, a smiling Allman told cops, “I’ve been smoking spice,” according to the police report.

Allman was charged with aggravated battery with a deadly weapon and violation of his parole. He is in jail on a $10,000 bond.

One June 25, Sunrise joined other South Florida cities banning synthetic pot and bath salts, another synthetic drug.

Synthetic drugs have gained notoriety after a police officer told the media that he believed Rudy Eugene, the man who attacked a sleeping homeless man on the MacArthur Causeway two months ago, was on bath salts.

See? Marijuana is bad. I don't know what "synthetic" means but I'm sure that just means it's high quality shit.

[Androidpk]

That spice shit isn't marijuana.

[Latrinsorm]

There's no place for facts when it's time for REACTIONARY HYSTERIA!!!

[zhelas]

http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2012/07/26/company-selling-zombie-preparedness-kit/

http://cbsatlanta.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/zomb-kit.jpg

ATLANTA (CBS Atlanta) - Preparing for a zombie apocalypse does pay off, but it’s hard work. Although battling the hordes of eBay bidders and gathering everything piecemeal could be one preferred method, an Illinois-based company has created an easier way.

Optics Planet created a one-stop solution for zombie battlers everywhere called Z.E.R.O.

Z.E.R.O., short for Zombie Extermination, Research and Operations, is a kit that contains everything someone would need to keep alive in the end times. Initially priced at $31,375, the kit has been discounted to $23,999 with delivery available to the customer’s home or armed complex.

The kit contains a number of items for standard survival, including a first aid kit, an entire box of batteries, solar panel, and several packs to carry gear.

Optics Planet also includes science equipment such as syringes, a few beakers, and a microscope. The company, however, warns that customers should “search for a cure or you’ll search for a grave.”

Perhaps the most interesting equipment that Z.E.R.O. contains are the pieces with offensive capability. There’s a custom holographic sight with a biohazard reticle, a custom-made zombie fighting knife, and tactical gloves with ridged knuckles.

Optic Planet insists that “punching zombies is the most fun you can have.” But if punching is not your style, Optics Planet includes an OPMOD Battle Mug.

“You can go from thirst-quenching to death-dealing in less than .45 seconds,” the company says in its packaging. “We tested that.”

Despite the discounted rate and the zombie mania that’s sweeping the nation, Optics Planet has not sold very many Z.E.R.O. kits.

Brian Weiss, marketing team leader for Optics Planet, told CBS Atlanta that “it’s more of a novelty item.”

“We have a lot of stuff already that are related to zombies, and we thought it would be fun to put together a collection of all that stuff,” Weiss said.

Although the chances of a zombie outbreak are slim, Z.E.R.O. kits serve another purpose.

“We wanted to raise awareness of what could people need in a survival situation, like with the weather we’ve been having lately,” Weiss told CBS Atlanta. “We want to get people thinking about what they could use. “

[4a6c1]

My zombie kit has some coolants, some acids and some powders. Mostly bought at kroger.

[TheEschaton]

Novelty items for 24k?


Optic Planet insists that “punching zombies is the most fun you can have.” But if punching is not your style, Optics Planet includes an OPMOD Battle Mug.

These guys aren't even serious.

[diethx]

Kroger sucks. I buy all my zombie-battling items from Publix.

[4a6c1]

Publix sounds like an orgy store that sells orgies. Is that a grocery store. Rad. I would expect orgies from that grocery store.

[diethx]

Haha. When I was a kid and we went to Disney, I thought I was hilarious when pronouncing it Pube-licks.

It's an awesome grocery store.

[Gnome Rage]

We always call it pubelicks when we're in FL

:3

[zhelas]

'He's naked and he's running in my damn house!" Desperate 911 call reveals moment naked home invader rampaged terrified man's home

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2266813/Gregory-Matthew-Bruni-911-reveals-moment-naked-home-invader-rampaged-Florida-mans-home.html

By NINA GOLGOWSKI

PUBLISHED: 23:19 EST, 22 January 2013 | UPDATED: 23:21 EST, 22 January 2013

A Florida homeowner's desperate 911 call reveals the moment a naked home invader allegedly broke into his family's home before pleasuring himself on the floor and defecating throughout the house. 'He dropped off my roof and ran right into my house!' the terrified owner told police dispatch in North Fort Myers, as NBC2 reports. 'I don't know who the Hell he is -he's naked and he's running in my damn house!' Gregory Matthew Bruni, 21, of Venice was Tasered into submission by police on Monday night after he allegedly stormed the home after first dropping onto the homeowner from its rooftop.

The frightened victim told police he had gone outside to inspect loud noises on his roof around 6.50pm that night when the naked man jumped off it, partially landing on top of him. Bruni allegedly next ran inside the home where the victim left his wife before pulling a 72-inch television off the wall, breaking it on the living room floor. Bruni then allegedly grabbed a wet/dry vacuum cleaner and emptied its liquid contents on the floor. Officers say he later sucked it up in his mouth.

At this moment the husband told his wife to grab a gun from a back room. When she returned she fired three shots from a .38 caliber revolver at Bruni but missed, hitting a wall instead. Possibly reacting to the shots, Bruni fell to the ground of their living room but began pleasuring himself instead of cowering. 'He's lying on my floor. He ran in my f***ing house naked hooting and hollering and tearing s*** up!' the homeowner yelled on the line to police.

Bruni next ran into the victim's son's bedroom according to the victim where he started rubbing his face into articles of clothing he found. The homeowner then grabbed a shotgun from the master bedroom and used it to hold Bruni until police arrived. 'Lay down, mother f***er, lay down!' the homeowner is heard shouting over the phone. Upon officers' arrival they described Bruni as speaking but without making any sense. He allegedly tried to escape police several times prompting officers to use a Taser on him to get him under control. He was taken to Lee Memorial Hospital where doctors were unable to immediately identify 'what Bruni was on,' WTSP reports. They said further tests were underway. Bruni faces charges of damage to property, burglary, battery and resisting an officer. Officers later discovered that Bruni had defecated near the home's front door and in the home's hallway as well, according to WTSP.

[Kastrel]

I hope we don't have THAT sort of zombie apocalypse.

[Gsgeek]

New Zombie outbreak in Montana!!!

http://news.msn.com/rumors/rumor-tv-station-alert-warns-of-zombie-apocalypse

[zhelas]

Health: Mysterious Disease Discovered Locally, Strikes Mainly Young Women
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2013/02/07/health-mysterious-disease-discovered-locally-strikes-mainly-young-women/

By Stephanie Stahl

PHILADELPHIA (CBS) – It’s a mysterious, newly discovered disease that strikes mainly young women, and it’s often misdiagnosed. Doctors who discovered it, here in Philadelphia, say it’s like your brain is on fire. 3 On Your Side Health Reporter Stephanie Stahl says it starts with personality changes.

Young women dazed, restrained in hospital beds, acting possessed and then becoming catatonic. They’d been so normal, when suddenly their lives went haywire.

“One minute I’d be sobbing, crying hysterically, and the next minute I’d be laughing, said Susannah Cahalan, of New Jersey.

“I was very paranoid and manic. There was something wrong. I thought trucks were following me,” said Emily Gavigan, of Pennsylvania.

And it got worse for Emily Gavigan, who was a sophomore at the University of Scranton. Hospitalized, and out of it, she couldn’t control her arm movements. Then there were seizures, and she needed a ventilator. Her parents were watching their only child slip away.

“It was life and death for weeks,” said Grace Gavigan, Emily’s mom.

“We were losing her. This is something that I couldn’t control,” said Bill Gavigan, Emily’s dad.

Doctors also couldn’t figure out what was wrong with Susannah.

“I had bizarre abnormal movements, would leave my arms out extended, you know, in front of me. I was a relatively normal person, then the next minute I’m hallucinating and insisting that my father had kidnapped me,” said Susannah.

Turns out, Susannah and Emily weren’t mentally ill. They both had an auto immune disease called Anti-NMDA Receptor Encephalitis, when antibodies attack the brain, causing swelling.

Susannah says this is how doctors explained it to her parents, “He told them her brain is on fire. He used those words: ‘Her brain is on fire.’”

[RichardCranium]

http://theadvocate.com/home/5098876-125/bail-denied-for-walker-man

Bad shit. This happened in the town I work in. I tried the incense shit when it first hit stores, but it scared the fuck out of me how high I was. I threw the rest away.

[Atlanteax]

http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/07/news/companies/subaru-recall/index.html?iid=obnetwork

The Japanese automaker Subaru is recalling nearly 50,000 zombie-vehicles because they run the risk of starting themselves, without human intervention.

Zombies... or Transformers?

[Gelston]

Maximum Overdrive.