Ceyrin - Does he represent what in-game merchants are these days?

[Shaps]

This is my first time posting anything negative about someone in any of the game forums in nearly 20 years. If this is what the merchanting world has come to in the lands, it is in a pretty sad state.

This is the e-mail chain with Ceyrin with regards to the 5x fusion MBP that he won in Droughtmans. Some of you may not care, some may, but just surprised at how poorly he chose to act (in my opinion) regarding this.

To be fair, I thought he may have had a bad day with the first reply, so I even inquired with a number of people in game to get a gauge of what type of person he is. With his second and third reply, I was able to decide for myself.

-----------------------Cut and pasted from PM's---------------

Topic: DM MBP

Originally Posted by Shaps
Hi,
You may be keeping it, or already sold/traded it, but if not I would be interested in purchasing it. Willing to make a nice trade or coin offer. Thanks.

Thaluhar

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Originally Posted by Ceyrin
Ok

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Originally Posted by Shaps
Hmmm.. figuring the OK, is you are open to negotiations? Are there any items you'd be interested in as a trade, or have a rough idea of a coin range you are looking at? Appreciate it.

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Originally posted by Ceyrin
Christ, you're bad at this.

You've now wasted my time with two messages which hold absolutely no information.

Either grow a pair and make me an offer, or stop trying to feel me out and accept that this item is outside your means.

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Originally posted by Shaps

Are you normally such an ass when replying to e-mails?

Both of my messages to you inquired:
1. If you were open to trades or coin offers.... I guess OK is a fine reply.

2. What trades you may be interested in, or a ballpark figure of what coin value you are looking at. Your reply to that just implies that your an ass or looking for such an outrageous price that no one would pay it.

You also assume to know what I can afford and can't afford, which sadly you underestimate for such a simple item.

A simple idea of what you value it at, or possible trade items you could be interested in would have been fine, but you chose to act like you did.

Given that, your armor is not such a great item, that I would deal with you at this point.

Good luck with your sale or whatever you choose to do with it.

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Originally posted by Ceyrin

I think you misunderstand entirely. In either case, the price for it might as well be something unreasonable like 500m, because I wouldn't sell it to you anymore even if you offered that much.

If you think I'm stupid enough to let you come in 'under my radar' and try and feel me out to see if you can get the item for less than it's worth so you can either flip it and profit or just take advantage of me, you've come to the wrong person. I've read that book, and I know how it ends.

Now you stated in two separate messages that you were willing to make trades and or coin purchase, but in either case failed to manifest anything that even looked like an offer, all while trying to sniff out if you thought I undervalued the item.

That shit might work on some people, but all it does is make you look stupid to those that know better.

Now, if you truly don't understand the value of the item, then let me give you a piece of advice.

Merchants will respect you more if you at least make an offer and it's a laughable one, than if you come in and feel out their valuation without offering anything tangible on your end. On the other end, if you're worried about overpaying by a few million, you clearly don't have nearly as much money as you think you do.

You have 160 posts. Either you're someone who bought their way into coins and is new at this, or you're someone's alt account. In either case, you're nobody if you think doing business this way is how it's done.

Sincerely,
an internet asshole

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Originally posted by Shaps

Again, you do a couple of things to inflame this instead of answering a simple inquiry and possible negotiation.

My first post, asked if you were open to offers, hence an inquiry and no offer made. It was simply stating my interest.

My second post, in reply to your terse reply, was to inquire if there were any trades you might be interested in, that you could possibly use or a coin value estimate, so that I could start the negotiations.

Your last reply, simply shows that somehow you consider yourself an amazing salesman that, I would assume from the tone of your post, felt like you were screwed over in the past. Sadly, the way you have chosen to reply to this, shows you lack some basic skills and just rely on whatever pocketbook you have to feel like you are.

Additionally, to just look at my number of posts, and make an assumption (much as you did with what I can or can not afford), shows that you really do lack the sense to realize not everyone plays this game 365 days a year, or feels a need to post continuosly on a forum.

Lastly, I was not looking to sell, or flip, or cheat, or lowball you at all (again you assume something you know nothing about). I have been looking for a decent set of MBP since I came back this week, and this set peaked my interest. I have been in the lands off and on for near 20 years now, and I must say, this is the first real time I've met any merchant (supposedly a well off one), that has such little tact or friendliness.

Not sure what, or who, you think you are; why you think you're special; or why you even think the insults you toss or superiority you are trying to exude, does anything other than make you look like an idiot.

Good luck with your future sales.

[Kitsun]

Can't say I've ever had a negotiation break down like that before.

That being said, and not casting aspersions on any side, when people attempt to haggle, there is a game of chicken for whoever gives a value first. There are people who get tired of playing that game though(seems like Ceyrin is).

And there are shady people who try to pick up items on the sly. Up front people that try to get the item holder anywhere near fair market value will just tell them to post it up for appraisal or in an open auction and they'll fight for it there. The old Tsin, among others, would always immediately hit up raffle winners to see who was market-stupid with a seemingly impressive offer that was always way under market.

[Tisket]

What did you expect of someone who utilizes such lame gifs in their sig?

Also, it's PIQUED not peaked.

[Shaps]

Kitsun,
Appreciate the reply and viewpoint. From my perspective, and I know there are different ones, we never even got to the negotiation portion. Not sure why anyone would automatically assume they are trying to be cheated, when they themselves own the item.

My major issue with him was his tone and the assumptions he made about someone he does not know. If I were a new person to the lands (which this game does not get many--AND he implied that he thought I was), to interact with someone like that would not be an enjoyable experience and possibly taint their decision to continue with the lands.

Secondly, I do not think requesting a general price range from a merchant willing to sell an item, is an absurd request. I guess that it is though, per his guidance to me.

Thanks again for the insight and viewpoint.

[Shaps]

Damn you! :P

Piqued - word of the day! - Thanks for the correction.

[TheEschaton]

He's right though, asking someone for a general range on what they're selling an item for is an old, tired trick. If you determine the thing is for sale - make an offer based on your own knowledge. If it's too low, maybe he'll negotiate. If it's laughably low, he'll laugh. If it's absurdly high, you've not done your research.

You can't expect a profit-maker to hold your hand through negotiating prices on their items.

[4a6c1]

This is my first time posting anything negative about someone in any of the game forums in nearly 20 years. If this is what the merchanting world has come to in the lands, it is in a pretty sad state.

This is the e-mail chain with Ceyrin with regards to the 5x fusion MBP that he won in Droughtmans. Some of you may not care, some may, but just surprised at how poorly he chose to act (in my opinion) regarding this.

To be fair, I thought he may have had a bad day with the first reply, so I even inquired with a number of people in game to get a gauge of what type of person he is. With his second and third reply, I was able to decide for myself.

-----------------------Cut and pasted from PM's---------------

Topic: DM MBP

Originally Posted by Shaps
Hi,
You may be keeping it, or already sold/traded it, but if not I would be interested in purchasing it. Willing to make a nice trade or coin offer. Thanks.

Thaluhar

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Originally Posted by Ceyrin
Ok

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Originally Posted by Shaps
Hmmm.. figuring the OK, is you are open to negotiations? Are there any items you'd be interested in as a trade, or have a rough idea of a coin range you are looking at? Appreciate it.

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Originally posted by Ceyrin
Christ, you're bad at this.

You've now wasted my time with two messages which hold absolutely no information.

Either grow a pair and make me an offer, or stop trying to feel me out and accept that this item is outside your means.

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Originally posted by Shaps

Are you normally such an ass when replying to e-mails?

Both of my messages to you inquired:
1. If you were open to trades or coin offers.... I guess OK is a fine reply.

2. What trades you may be interested in, or a ballpark figure of what coin value you are looking at. Your reply to that just implies that your an ass or looking for such an outrageous price that no one would pay it.

You also assume to know what I can afford and can't afford, which sadly you underestimate for such a simple item.

A simple idea of what you value it at, or possible trade items you could be interested in would have been fine, but you chose to act like you did.

Given that, your armor is not such a great item, that I would deal with you at this point.

Good luck with your sale or whatever you choose to do with it.

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Originally posted by Ceyrin

I think you misunderstand entirely. In either case, the price for it might as well be something unreasonable like 500m, because I wouldn't sell it to you anymore even if you offered that much.

If you think I'm stupid enough to let you come in 'under my radar' and try and feel me out to see if you can get the item for less than it's worth so you can either flip it and profit or just take advantage of me, you've come to the wrong person. I've read that book, and I know how it ends.

Now you stated in two separate messages that you were willing to make trades and or coin purchase, but in either case failed to manifest anything that even looked like an offer, all while trying to sniff out if you thought I undervalued the item.

That shit might work on some people, but all it does is make you look stupid to those that know better.

Now, if you truly don't understand the value of the item, then let me give you a piece of advice.

Merchants will respect you more if you at least make an offer and it's a laughable one, than if you come in and feel out their valuation without offering anything tangible on your end. On the other end, if you're worried about overpaying by a few million, you clearly don't have nearly as much money as you think you do.

You have 160 posts. Either you're someone who bought their way into coins and is new at this, or you're someone's alt account. In either case, you're nobody if you think doing business this way is how it's done.

Sincerely,
an internet asshole

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Originally posted by Shaps

Again, you do a couple of things to inflame this instead of answering a simple inquiry and possible negotiation.

My first post, asked if you were open to offers, hence an inquiry and no offer made. It was simply stating my interest.

My second post, in reply to your terse reply, was to inquire if there were any trades you might be interested in, that you could possibly use or a coin value estimate, so that I could start the negotiations.

Your last reply, simply shows that somehow you consider yourself an amazing salesman that, I would assume from the tone of your post, felt like you were screwed over in the past. Sadly, the way you have chosen to reply to this, shows you lack some basic skills and just rely on whatever pocketbook you have to feel like you are.

Additionally, to just look at my number of posts, and make an assumption (much as you did with what I can or can not afford), shows that you really do lack the sense to realize not everyone plays this game 365 days a year, or feels a need to post continuosly on a forum.

Lastly, I was not looking to sell, or flip, or cheat, or lowball you at all (again you assume something you know nothing about). I have been looking for a decent set of MBP since I came back this week, and this set peaked my interest. I have been in the lands off and on for near 20 years now, and I must say, this is the first real time I've met any merchant (supposedly a well off one), that has such little tact or friendliness.

Not sure what, or who, you think you are; why you think you're special; or why you even think the insults you toss or superiority you are trying to exude, does anything other than make you look like an idiot.

Good luck with your future sales.

Nobody quoted yet? Am disappoint.

[Tisket]

You can be right without being an asshole in the process.

Yes, yes, shut up everyone.

[Tgo01]

I think you misunderstand entirely. In either case, the price for it might as well be something unreasonable like 500m, because I wouldn't sell it to you anymore even if you offered that much.

I don't care how much I dislike someone, I would gladly sell a piece of text to them for 4,000 dollars.

[Shaps]

Again,
Another viewpoint I am happy to hear, and again.. if he had expressed that in different terms then possibly I'd have made a solid offer.

It's not a trick to ask what the seller's price range is.

I could as easily say (which in my view sometimes occurs), that it is a tired old trick that merchants will not offer a sell price, because they want to run it up as much as they can. My dealings with other well known and reputable high end merchants going back over the years is not tainted by the way he chose to reply.

What is sad, is that if this is how merchants choose to express themselves nowadays, because they feel some percieved slight.

I honestly value it at around 15 or so, possibly 20 with what I've seen this past week with regards to values. Sometimes though, there is a reason a person asks a question... and that is simply to get an answer, not work some angle.

Thanks again.

[thefarmer]

I've done plenty of business (low and high end) asking if someone was interested in a particular trade or had a value range for x item and never had any issues.

Had that email exchange happened to me, I would have chalked it up to him being a dick and moved on.

[Androidpk]

I've done plenty of business (low and high end) asking if someone was interested in a particular trade or had a value range for x item and never had any issues.

Had that email exchange happened to me, I would have chalked it up to him being a dick and moved on.

Really? Probably because people are afraid of your hoe. While it doesn't happen all the time I've noticed on higher end items when I try to ask for a ballpark range I get the run around.

Shaps, don't be so sensitive.

[Gelston]

I usually ask for a range too. No big deal.

[Shaps]

AndroidPK,
I'm not sensitive.. I honestly don't care that this happened to me, or that I'm not buying the item.

My whole point is, with as small as this community is these days, to act in such a way (without knowing who a person is), is just stupid. I didn't realize courtesy and being cordial was such a problem these days; or asking a simple question was against the merchanting rules these days, as he tried to advise me.

Anyways, my last post on it. I just wanted to point out what I consider a bad business practice. Moving on. Thanks all for your various viewpoints.

[msconstrew]

Secondly, I do not think requesting a general price range from a merchant willing to sell an item, is an absurd request. I guess that it is though, per his guidance to me.

Thanks again for the insight and viewpoint.

It isn't unreasonable. But many people, myself included, don't want to give a range because it limits you as the seller. In the parlance of our times, giving a range essentially forces you to bid against yourself. That's never where you want to be.

[diethx]

I've done plenty of business (low and high end) asking if someone was interested in a particular trade or had a value range for x item and never had any issues.

Had that email exchange happened to me, I would have chalked it up to him being a dick and moved on.

Ditto.

Ceyrin was being a total cunt. He could've simply said "make an offer" instead of being nasty to him from the get go. Not everyone is a Tsin.

[Makkah]

Really? Probably because people are afraid of your hoe.

I laughed.

[poloneus]

It isn't unreasonable. But many people, myself included, don't want to give a range because it limits you as the seller. In the parlance of our times, giving a range essentially forces you to bid against yourself. That's never where you want to be.

Or perhaps not giving a range is a seller trying to take advantage of an inexperienced buyer.

[Tgo01]

Or perhaps not giving a range is a seller trying to take advantage of an inexperienced buyer.

Yeah I see both sides here. The buyer is trying to get the item for cheap and the seller is trying to take advantage of the buyer who doesn't know any better. Personally I hate when I'm buying something in a game and the person says "make an offer." I don't know why, I just want to reach through the screen and bitch slap them. Probably because when I used to make an offer they would laugh and say "no dude this is worth XXX! LOLS!" well if that's what you want for it then why did you ask me to make an offer? Oh yeah, the taking advantage of someone.

[Androidpk]

Ditto.

Ceyrin was being a total cunt. He could've simply said "make an offer" instead of being nasty to him from the get go. Not everyone is a Tsin.

Wah wah wah

Shaps, if you "honestly did not care" you wouldn't have made a thread on a forum complaining about it.

[diethx]

Wah wah wah

Shaps, if you "honestly did not care" you wouldn't have made a thread on a forum complaining about it.

Ok, PB Jr.

[Tisket]

Wah wah wah

Shaps, if you "honestly did not care" you wouldn't have made a thread on a forum complaining about it.

I don't care about most of the posts I make.

[diethx]

Personally I hate when I'm buying something in a game and the person says "make an offer." I don't know why, I just want to reach through the screen and bitch slap them. Probably because when I used to make an offer they would laugh and say "no dude this is worth XXX! LOLS!" well if that's what you want for it then why did you ask me to make an offer? Oh yeah, the taking advantage of someone.

I generally felt the same when I played. Someone lists an item for sale, I ask what they want for it. If you want me to give you my silver for your item, be prepared to let me know how much you want for it. When someone would say make an offer, more often than not I'd say nah, thanks. I always figured that there would be a fine substitute for whatever item I was interested in, from a seller who didn't care to play games.

[Androidpk]

I don't care about most of the posts I make.

You also never make a post about someone because they hurt your feelings.

[Tisket]

You also never make a post about someone because they hurt your feelings.

You wound me.

[Jarvan]

In a sense both parties were fishing, which is fine. But Ceryin's first response, OK, means literally nothing.

He could have simply said looking for coins, make an offer, looking for cash, blah blah item etc etc.

Instead, he chose to be a dick, for really no reason.

I am sure I got screwed a number of times by taking lower offers then I should have simply cause I either didn't know the value of an item, or just wanted to sell fast. Also, I give some people much better deals then others, because I have worked with them and sold to them before.

And just cause Ceyrin never heard of the guy before means nothing, there is alot of people on here who barely post, but buy high end items.

[Androidpk]

In a sense both parties were fishing, which is fine. But Ceryin's first response, OK, means literally nothing.

He could have simply said looking for coins, make an offer, looking for cash, blah blah item etc etc.


The way I saw it Shaps said he was willing to make a nice trade/coin offer, implying he had one in mind.

Ceyrin says ok, as in whats your offer.

Shaps replies with what kind of offer do you want me to make?


I can see why Ceyrin would get annoyed at that.

[msconstrew]

Or perhaps not giving a range is a seller trying to take advantage of an inexperienced buyer.

Totally possible. Don't mistake my comment for a defense of Ceyrin's behavior. I think he acted like a total ass, and unnecessarily too.

[Sam]

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[Ceyrin]

At this point, I think I should reply to a thread about me... especially in light of the fact that I'm of the growing opinon that it's time to sell out of Simutronics. I'd prefer there are some people who will do business with me on the way out the door.

I don't have a whole lot to say, as I think most people have summed up the the issues on both sides pretty well.

I will say this though - the only person I ever even implied the MBP might be for sale to happens to be Adroidpk, whom I basically just said 'anything is for sale'. He hasn't bothered to respond to that - I probably wouldn't either unless I had a set price in mind, and I wanted it more than I wanted to save coins.

That pretty much means make me a godfather offer, or wait for it to show up in the Merchant folder... where when and if the MBP does show up there, you can bet I'll have a minimum bid and likely even a buyout price.

I'd also like to point out that I have no clear indication of whether or not I 'represent what in-game merchants are these days'. Chances are I don't. That being said, I do like to do business a certain way, and if anyone doesn't like it - tough shit.

Was I terse and an ass to Shaps? Absolutely.

Do I think he was wasting my time and potentially phishing for poor valuation? Yes.

Do I apologize? Not a chance.


Also... Sam... do you have the rest of that comic? I like where it looks like it's going.

[subzero]

Yeah I see both sides here. The buyer is trying to get the item for cheap and the seller is trying to take advantage of the buyer who doesn't know any better. Personally I hate when I'm buying something in a game and the person says "make an offer." I don't know why, I just want to reach through the screen and bitch slap them. Probably because when I used to make an offer they would laugh and say "no dude this is worth XXX! LOLS!" well if that's what you want for it then why did you ask me to make an offer? Oh yeah, the taking advantage of someone.

I've never been big into the merchant aspect of things here, but that is exactly the type of thing I've seen in the past. "What'choo want for that?", "Make me an offer", "X silvers", and then the person gets all uppity and "insulted" at the "low" offer.

Look, if you're selling something, you have at least a general idea what it's going to take to get it out of your hands. "Make an offer" is absolutely nothing more than an attempt to get more than an item is worth from someone that doesn't know any better. I don't ever recall walking into a store and asking the people selling items what they want for an item and their response being "make me an offer". I also don't recall hearing an auctioneer start the bidding with "Make me an offer! Do I have an offer, any offer? Going once..." Could be that I'm simply in an odd spot in the world, or it could be that shit just doesn't work like that.

[Reliel]

Also... Sam... do you have the rest of that comic? I like where it looks like it's going.

Oh God, please don't be serious.

[Androidpk]

I'm also interested in the rest of that comic, those boys like they're up to no good. And because Sam posted it I bet they have tentacles in their pockets.

[Reliel]

I'm also interested in the rest of that comic, those boys like they're up to no good. And because Sam posted it I bet they have tentacles in their pockets.

http://alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/png/disgusted-oh-god-why-text.png

[Buckwheet]

I don't think this represents the current merchant tactics in anyway. In most cases the merchants I know put a price on their item.

I will use a recent sale of mine to demonstrate. I put a 6x lirion E-bow up for sale for I think 250m. I felt it was worth that. I got several people asking me about it and throwing low ball offers on it, but I responded in kind to everyone. Even if it was a simple. Its worth more. Thanks for the offer. Just because someone asks you for your price does not mean they always fishing for a lower price. Just like merchants who post up 250m for an ebow saying they are open to offers is trying to take advantage of someone. Things are worth what someone will pay for them. So both a buyer and a seller need to know their position on the item and do some research. That way they can be prepared for low offers or high offers and come to terms in the middle. I ended up not selling the bow for 250m because we negotiated terms and got to a fair price.

So the people who buy to make profits have to always be lower than the current trend unless they have enough coin to sit on inventory. So just because you paid X for an item a year ago does not mean a buyer is willing to pay that. If you watch those cheesy shows like Hardcore Pawn or Pawnstars they always ask the person what they want to get out of their item because who ever blinks first looses negotiating advantage. But true buyers, people who keep items for a long period of time need to stop looking at it like they are getting "ripped off".

For the sake of argument I am going to use another recent encounter I had. A person contacted me wanting to sell me their 10x tower shield for 35m because they needed the coins. I told them I would give them 28 for it because I would be putting it up for sale for 30m mb and a 35m BO. They of course told me I was a horrible person and was trying to rip them off. I asked them how long they had the item and tried to point out that if they got 28m from me and paid 35m they had basically rented a 10x tower shield that they felt they needed to do all sorts of things in the game for 7m at most, 2m at the least. I then asked them if I had a 10x tower shield and offered to rent it to them for 2m for a non determined period of time, would they take me up on it.

They told me to fuck off. But really that is how I think more buyers should look at it.

And that is my soap box moment on the merchanting world. Oh, and I agree with Ceyrin, he was a dick.

[TheEschaton]

It's all a game. If I was selling something, I wouldn't want to go through the rigmarole of high-balling my own "range" just so it can be talked down to the actual price I'm willing to accept. It's a tiring, stupid, ridiculous farce.

The onus is on the buyer to determine how much (s)he is willing to part with monetarily. The seller has a price point in mind - you have to meet it. 9 times out of 10, if a seller lists a range, the buyer tries to haggle them down - so if the seller want to get their price, they either play the game above I described where they high ball themselves, or they end up not selling, which is no good for either party in the end. Especially in a market of rare to unique items - we're not talking vultite broadswords here. It's like asking me how much I'd sell the Mona Lisa for if I owned it.

[Ceyrin]

Oh, and I agree with Ceyrin, he was a dick.

I never said I was a dick. You can't agree with me on that, Chris. I said I was an ass.

On a more serious note, though. I've seen you move a lot of high-end stuff. So I have a lot of respect for your opinon and the way you do things, even if I don't neccessarily agree with it.

Personally, I have never been much in to the merchanting game. Mostly I just collect things, then collect more coins, then buy more things... ad infinum.

Rarely does something exceptional leave my hands, unless I just know I won't use it, and someone else will love it - like the string. I gave Kerl an exceptional deal on that, because he was very patient and worked to meet my needs, which were ultimately the needs of it's true benefactor - my wife. She has even less time and patience for the merchanting thing than I do, so I handle any of her swag she wants moved.

All that being said. I'd like to point out once again, that I never indicated the MBP was for sale. I'm not terribly prone to making rash decisions about selling objects that are unique, and as far as I know 3-slot fusion MBP is one-of-a-kind.

[Sam]

MB on the fusion breasplate.

[Androidpk]

MB on the fusion breasplate.

This thing would be perfect for that 3 titted alien from Mars.

[DrxLecter]

At this point, I think I should reply to a thread about me... especially in light of the fact that I'm of the growing opinon that it's time to sell out of Simutronics. I'd prefer there are some people who will do business with me on the way out the door.

I don't have a whole lot to say, as I think most people have summed up the the issues on both sides pretty well.

I will say this though - the only person I ever even implied the MBP might be for sale to happens to be Adroidpk, whom I basically just said 'anything is for sale'. He hasn't bothered to respond to that - I probably wouldn't either unless I had a set price in mind, and I wanted it more than I wanted to save coins.

That pretty much means make me a godfather offer, or wait for it to show up in the Merchant folder... where when and if the MBP does show up there, you can bet I'll have a minimum bid and likely even a buyout price.

I'd also like to point out that I have no clear indication of whether or not I 'represent what in-game merchants are these days'. Chances are I don't. That being said, I do like to do business a certain way, and if anyone doesn't like it - tough shit.

Was I terse and an ass to Shaps? Absolutely.

Do I think he was wasting my time and potentially phishing for poor valuation? Yes.

Do I apologize? Not a chance.


Also... Sam... do you have the rest of that comic? I like where it looks like it's going.

Wow your a dick

[Buckwheet]

I never said I was a dick. You can't agree with me on that, Chris. I said I was an ass.

On a more serious note, though. I've seen you move a lot of high-end stuff. So I have a lot of respect for your opinon and the way you do things, even if I don't neccessarily agree with it.

Personally, I have never been much in to the merchanting game. Mostly I just collect things, then collect more coins, then buy more things... ad infinum.

Rarely does something exceptional leave my hands, unless I just know I won't use it, and someone else will love it - like the string. I gave Kerl an exceptional deal on that, because he was very patient and worked to meet my needs, which were ultimately the needs of it's true benefactor - my wife. She has even less time and patience for the merchanting thing than I do, so I handle any of her swag she wants moved.

All that being said. I'd like to point out once again, that I never indicated the MBP was for sale. I'm not terribly prone to making rash decisions about selling objects that are unique, and as far as I know 3-slot fusion MBP is one-of-a-kind.

Sorry. I really did mean to quote you on what you said. So I take back the dick comment, and agree you were an ass. However, that being said I have not had any reason to call you an ass other then when you say so yourself. So, even if you did the right thing in a sale, then said you were an ass, I would agree with you just on principle.

[crb]

I find Ceyrin to be a miserable twat.

That being said, wtf are you bitching about? Either make an offer or don't. A seller has no obligation to look out for your best interest. You should expect to care about his own self interest, and he will expect you to do the same, which you should.

Watch Pawn Stars sometimes, there is a reason why they ask "What do you want for it?" first, because the first party to throw out a number is at a disadvantage.

If the seller comes to you, by putting an item up for sale publicly or contacting you directly and soliciting you to buy the item, then they have the responsibility of going first. If you want to make an unsolicited offer for something though, you sorta have to put a number out there. This is how the world works.

The solicitor puts out the first number, always.

[Ceyrin]

MB on the fusion breasplate.

http://images.moviepostershop.com/make-me-an-offer-movie-poster-9999-1020429360.jpg

[Tgo01]

Watch Pawn Stars sometimes, there is a reason why they ask "What do you want for it?" first, because the first party to throw out a number is at a disadvantage.

Exactly, they are a bunch of crooks on that show.

[Ceyrin]

Exactly, they are a bunch of crooks on that show.

You're a democrat, aren't you? You want someone to hold your hand, and treat you fairly. Give you free stuff, and tell you, 'you did a good job' even though you sucked, right?


I can't imagine why else you'd think a seller behaving like a reasonable, responsible and intelligent seller (IE protecting their own interests first) would be a crook.

[diethx]

There was nothing reasonable about your response. You were a douchebag.

[AnticorRifling]

There's a difference between not holding someone's hand and being a complete douche while not holding their hand. You were/are a complete douche in the context of the above back and forth.

[Tgo01]

You're a democrat, aren't you? You want someone to hold your hand, and treat you fairly. Give you free stuff, and tell you, 'you did a good job' even though you sucked, right?


I can't imagine why else you'd think a seller behaving like a reasonable, responsible and intelligent seller (IE protecting their own interests first) would be a crook.

I'm on my phone right now so don't want to type up a real response now but I did want to reply with "HAHA!"

[SHAFT]

You were kind of a douche Ceyrin, but I see your point. The OP was a bitch for creating this thread though. I like to think dealings through PM's should remain just that, private.

[Tgo01]

You're a democrat, aren't you? You want someone to hold your hand, and treat you fairly. Give you free stuff, and tell you, 'you did a good job' even though you sucked, right?


I can't imagine why else you'd think a seller behaving like a reasonable, responsible and intelligent seller (IE protecting their own interests first) would be a crook.

Okay but seriously now, have you ever seen that Pawn Stars show? Even if someone asks for a very reasonable price they ALWAYS say "Oh...ouch...boy...the best I can do is (1/4th of what they wanted.)" I especially love it when they're talking to the person and say "You know I won't make much money off of this, it will sit in my store taking up space for months, maybe even years" almost as if they are doing the person a favor by buying it then they cut away to just the guy talking to the camera and he will say "I will make a fortune off of this item, I will have no trouble selling this thing." Uh yeah.

The best is when they call in an "expert" and the expert says the item is worth 5,000 dollars and they STILL hem and haw and say "look, 1000 dollars is the best I can do."

No, asking someone what they are offering does not immediately make someone a crook, but those guys are and referencing them as an example to back up your argument is kind of silly.

Oh by the way, sometimes people on that show do ask the pawn owners what they would offer and not once did I see them cuss the person out or anything, they always just made them an offer. Granted it was always a very very very low offer, just as they always do.

[Archigeek]

I kind of view the OP's initial PM as simply asking if a person is willing to sell or not. I didn't see it as fishing: might be, might not. In any case, simply saying "it might be forsale, make me an offer" tells the buyer a whole lot more than "ok" without showing your hand.

Sometimes as a buyer, you just want someone to know that if they do decide to sell, you're interested. That's all there is to it. It's a polite way of letting an owner know that they have potential customers. It's not some giant trolling exercise.

[Fallen]

When I sold out, and typically whenever I sold something I would either use the min bid of what i bought it for, or what the item or something similar went for in the past. If the item didnt have a known value i would ask the big time metchants, or put it up for the minimim i would be willing to part with and let it ride.

These methods certainly don't maximize profits, and I never bought and sold simply to mark up goods. However, I never had to haggle. Either the item sold or I kept it.

[diethx]

I kind of view the OP's initial PM as simply asking if a person is willing to sell or not. I didn't see it as fishing: might be, might not. In any case, simply saying "it might be forsale, make me an offer" tells the buyer a whole lot more than "ok" without showing your hand.

Sometimes as a buyer, you just want someone to know that if they do decide to sell, you're interested. That's all there is to it. It's a polite way of letting an owner know that they have potential customers. It's not some giant trolling exercise.

I read it exactly the same way.

[AnticorRifling]

The solicitor puts out the first number, always.

crb has either been with a lot of hookers or used to be a hooker. Either way I think we should make sure that Nachos gets his contact info.

[Androidpk]

crb has either been with a lot of hookers or used to be a hooker. Either way I think we should make sure that Nachos gets his contact info.

Who do you think Nachos went to for hookers?

[Tisket]

I like to think dealings through PM's should remain just that, private.

Oh fuck no. If someone treats you like shit in a PM, they have given up all rights to the content of that PM. It's no longer the senders and the new owner can do with it as they see fit.

My feelings don't get hurt when people are mean to me because, well, I don't really have feelings, but if you send me a shitty PM I might just post it publicly simply for kicks. Fuck you if you don't like it.

Disclaimer: All cock PM's remain private mostly because I don't want to scare off any potential contributers to my inbox.

[Tgo01]

Disclaimer: All cock PM's remain private mostly because I don't want to scare off any potential contributers to my inbox.

So...nevermind, too easy.

[Tisket]

So...nevermind, too easy.

Why yes I am.

[Merala]

I generally felt the same when I played. Someone lists an item for sale, I ask what they want for it. If you want me to give you my silver for your item, be prepared to let me know how much you want for it. When someone would say make an offer, more often than not I'd say nah, thanks. I always figured that there would be a fine substitute for whatever item I was interested in, from a seller who didn't care to play games.

This is kind of how I feel about it as well. If you don't know what an item you want to sell is worth, getting screwed is your problem. If you're given a price that you're not sure the item is worth do your homework. This all amounts to doing your homework essentially. However, I do tend to think the seller has a little more responsibility in knowing an item's worth since you should understand your product.

[SPFairy]

So...nevermind, too easy.

Oh come one.. just this once..

[Gibreficul]

OH NO! Someone on the internet was MEAN to me!

http://cdn.sheknows.com/articles/2012/02/crying-baby.jpg

Oh, and hey Shaps.. :stfu:

[Tisket]

OH NO! Someone on the internet was MEAN to me!

I can always spot a gamer who spends too much time on their computer. They have the exact same pasty-faced, stoop-shouldered look that you do in your profile picture.

Stop trying so hard to be an internet bad guy. You are not that good at it and would be better served by getting out of your dark room to get a little sunshine and fresh air instead.

[Gibreficul]

I can always spot a gamer who spends too much time on their computer. They have the exact same pasty-faced, stoop-shouldered look that you do in your profile picture.

Stop trying so hard to be an internet bad guy. You are not that good at it and would be better served by getting out of your dark room to get a little sunshine and fresh air instead.

This is coming from someone with like, 6 times the post count I have. Take your own advice hypocrite.

:ohshit: IT JUST GOT REAL!

[Tisket]

I'm surprised you didn't post a photo with that comment since you lack a command of the English language that would allow you to utilize words to make your points rather than resorting to tired, trite photos.

[RSR]

The difference being that most of us on the PC would love to get Tisket into a dark room for a few hours.

-Richard.

[Androidpk]

pasty-faced

Weren't you just saying the other day how pasty you were?

[Geijon Khyree]

You're a democrat, aren't you? You want someone to hold your hand, and treat you fairly. Give you free stuff, and tell you, 'you did a good job' even though you sucked, right?


I can't imagine why else you'd think a seller behaving like a reasonable, responsible and intelligent seller (IE protecting their own interests first) would be a crook.

http://exconservative.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a4fee4fe970b012876a5e7c5970c-800wi

http://www.pabloonpolitics.com/images/republicant.jpg

[Geijon Khyree]

I bet you own a gun, but don't make over $250,000 a year. Which one makes you a republican because only one of them should.

[Tgo01]

http://exconservative.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a4fee4fe970b012876a5e7c5970c-800wi

http://www.pabloonpolitics.com/images/republicant.jpg

Drylec? Is that you?

[Tisket]

Weren't you just saying the other day how pasty you were?

I said my thighs were pasty. I do wear clothes most of the time.

And I live in the PNW.

[Tisket]

Drylec? Is that you?

I'm going with a Gibrefecal alt based soley on the posters use of banal jpgs.

[Tisket]

Tisket's thighs are pasty but the rest of her body is a deep rich bronze.

Compared to his profile picture, I am a robust picture of glowing health. He looks like a sickly cave dweller.

[Gibreficul]

I'm going with a Gibrefecal alt based soley on the posters use of banal jpgs.

I don't have any "alts" on the PC. Thanks for playing though.


Compared to his profile picture, I am a robust picture of glowing health. He looks like a sickly cave dweller.

Fat doesn't constitute "glowing health." Fact is, it's quite the opposite. If you weren't ashamed of how you look, you'd actually have a picture of yourself on your profile, not some landscape.

you're being an idiot now. Tisket isn't fat, but you are very sickly and nerdy looking. ---> Neg rep received.

First, I'll believe she isn't some grotesque yeti bitch when I have photographic evidence proving it. Second, no matter how physically attractive she is... her personality and attitude leave something to be desired. The type of woman that gets beat by her mate because she deserves it. Third, OH NO, I'm being called sickly and nerdy looking by someone trolling on a MMORPG forum without the guts to even sign their neg rep. Ouch, burn. <sizzle>

[Tisket]

Fact is, it's quite the opposite. If you weren't ashamed of how you look, you'd actually have a picture of yourself on your profile, not some landscape.

I'm not insecure enough to put one up. Sorry.


Second, no matter how physically attractive she is... her personality and attitude leave something to be desired. The type of woman that gets beat by her mate because she deserves it.

I'm the beater, not the beatee.


Third, OH NO, I'm being called sickly and nerdy looking by someone trolling on a MMORPG forum without the guts to even sign their neg rep. Ouch, burn. <sizzle>

For someone who implied in an earlier post in this very thread that it's stupid to bring up when someone is mean on the internet, you spent a lot of energy on ineffectual counter-attacking.

[Androidpk]

First, I'll believe she isn't some grotesque yeti bitch when I have photographic evidence proving it.

I wish her body size could be considered fat, I'd feel better about myself. But no, she is thin and brittle, just like the snack.


Second, no matter how physically attractive she is... her personality and attitude leave something to be desired. The type of woman that gets beat by her mate because she deserves it.

This is pretty rich considering how much of a screaming baby you turn into whenever anyone mentions anything about the NE Patriots or Tom Brady. By your logic you must get physically beaten a lot.


Third, OH NO, I'm being called sickly and nerdy looking by someone trolling on a MMORPG forum without the guts to even sign their neg rep. Ouch, burn. <sizzle>

With the way you act over unsigned rep it's no mystery that you get it, people like watching whiny bitches squirm.