Sabreo/Mistros/Kolts... again.

[Betheny]

These guys are fucktards, and killed me for RPing.

He apparently didn't like me telling PsiNet that I disliked him because he had randomly killed me before, so what did he do? He came up to me while I was hunting and killed me again.

Way to go, winner.

[DeV]

He's a dumb bitch. What's more to say about asswipes that take OOC shit in game.

[Izalude]

I withdrew ATK from the Elanthian Alliance because of Dreadnaught.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Izalude
I withdrew ATK from the Elanthian Alliance because of Dreadnaught.

That... is a fucking shame. :(

[Syberus]

This is the first I've heard of ATK withdrawing (I may be a General, but as you know Valicar and Zosopage take care of all that stuff) Who decided to let dreadnought into the alliance?


BTW is your avatar by chance... a killer clown from outter space?

[Edited on 7-1-2004 by Syberus]

[Betheny]

ATK were the only EA members I -always- enjoyed interacting with... hell, Maimara still trusts Izalude, even though she knows what side he's on...

A shame that crusty smegma balls like those jackasses ruin it for everyone.

[Izalude]

Valicar withdrew Fury from the EA last April, since he didn't see eye-to-eye with alot of the other leaders.

We're retaining our alliances with our key allies, such as Fury, HERT, Onoir, and the DDR, but we will UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES share ANY affiliation with Dreadnaught WHATSOEVER. It's bad enough we have to share the same PRO Meeting Hall with them...

Trust me... It wasn't a decision that was made lightly.

[Betheny]

Player du fuckstains probably gives good cyber to someone with influence. /shrug Who the hell knows. I didn't even bother reporting. He's been on warn interact since before Maimara found the pommel in Illistim. My having been gone/not having seen him doesn't change that whatsoever, but we all know what good it does to report anymore.

[Izalude]

Originally posted by Syberus

BTW is your avatar by chance... a killer clown from outter space?

[Edited on 7-1-2004 by Syberus]

It is!

[Syberus]

Hahahah worst movie ever. And... I hadn't realized Val withdrew us, He always wants to talk to me about tactics and battleplans instead of political stuff, he knows I don't give two shits about the politics, I just fight.

Editted because I am myself a killer clown from outter space, and their grammar isn't the best. I mean our grammar.

[Edited on 7-1-2004 by Syberus]

[Anebriated]

From what I understand Dreadnaught is not actually in the alliance again, but is undergoing the process to be accepted again.

One of the main reasons the ATK's left the alliance is because of a situation that happened between myself and a dreadnaught member when Sabreon decided he was the law and stepped in and killed me while unarmed, unspelled and afk. Then used his little cleric to raise me and let me bleed to death again. THANKS ASSHAT.

[Skirmisher]

Yeesh!! These losers again?

See...we need the old death mechanics back so those punkases can be deeded from existance.

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Elrodin
One of the main reasons the ATK's left the alliance is because of a situation that happened between myself and a dreadnaught member when Sabreon decided he was the law and stepped in and killed me while unarmed, unspelled and afk.

Was that not in response to your killing someone else who took vengeance for their own death at the hands of an idiot who cast Maelstrom at the docks in Vaalor?

As I recall, said person shot offender, after you had said to leave it, and then you shot said person, therefore you considered yourself to be the law in that situation.

swings and roundabouts :shrug:

[Galleazzo]

Damn, here we go again .....

:medieval:

[Betheny]

I doubt Elrodin had to do anything. This ... 'person' doesn't require any offense to be a jackass.

[Nieninque]

Elrodin did the same thing to someone else that Sabreon did to him. He cant then complain that Sabreon treated him badly, when he has done exactly what Elrodin did.

Its fine that the alliance between Dreadnaught and ATK ended, thats what would happen if two organisations fell out in the way they did, but Elrodin shouldnt whinge about how badly he was treated when it's pretty much the same as he treated someone else.

:shrug:

[Izalude]

Originally posted by Nieninque
Its fine that the alliance between Dreadnaught and ATK ended, thats what would happen if two organisations fell out in the way they did, but Elrodin shouldnt whinge about how badly he was treated when it's pretty much the same as he treated someone else.

:shrug:


Originally posted by Sabreon on the official boards
Greetings,

Much has happened in the last evening. Trouble has started between the Ardenai Temple Knights and our House. I will explain this as briefly as possible. Yesterday in Ta'Vaalor, a young sorcerer was disturbing the town and attacking many using open maelstorm's in public areas as well as tricking young ones into eating Nightmare casting roses. The sorcerer was challenged by just about all he randomly killed and attacked. The sorcerer fought back many. Elrodin felt the need to stand watch to make sure no one overpowered the "poor sorcerer". As a young member of our house fired, Elrodin shot him. : Shakes head: I tried to confront Elrodin about this matter out of game at first. I was met with the reply "I don't care that he was your member. He was warned and his punishment was served". (I believe that's close to exact words.) He then went on to speak rather harshly about our house. He never wished for our House to be part of their alliance, despite the fact they asked us to join. So back in game, Sabreon met Elrodin at the docks. I killed Elrodin and told him as he told me "Your punishment is served". Izalude, their commander, awarded Sabreon with a faenor citation pin:

Show: This small, leaf-shaped pin is studded with tiny star emeralds. Along the bottom is a gold-chased inscription reading, "Ardenai Temple Knights citation for distinction and valor in combat." (Ironic huh?)

This award is now worthless and I plan to give it back the next time I see Izalude. So at this moment we are no longer allied with the ATK. Izalude has personally vowed to get us kicked out of the Elanthian Alliance. My reply is we will continue to defend the Elven Nations and each other as we have done for 2 years now. We will just do it without the "title" of an EA member. Now I also wish to stress that I hold no ill will towards the members of the Knights. I have no faith in their leadership and going by the many divisions in that group I am sure I am not the only one. We need not ally with those that carelessly attack their allies for no better reason then. (As Elrodin put it) " He was warned by me and punished."

Now this is nothing for you all to worry about. I just wanted to keep you all informed of what is happening. Have a great day

Commander Sabreon Dragorth
[/i]


Now... by the look of this letter, it would appear that Sabreon claims I awarded him with a citation for killing my own officer Elrodin?

Sabreon's instant reaction to ANY problem with another character in game is to go and kill them. When he gets killed, however, he starts crying trying to settle it with words. Werileo had a scuffle with him, and was killed multiple times. After playing it careful, he was able to murder Mistros, Kolts, and Sabreon a few times, stooping to Sabreon's level by killing on hunting grounds. Once Sabreon was beaten down a few times, he called for a truce. Typical, right?


PS. Watch his reaction to this post... 20 silvers says he tries to take this shit in game.

[Skirmisher]

Ah report report report.

Eventually they will be gone.

Stupidity such as theirs cannot be hidden for long, even from Simu.


Edited to change that to cannot be hidden forever.

[Edited on 7-1-2004 by Skirmisher]

[Betheny]

He will take it in game.

He's a fuckwad.

[Xinister]

When did all these groups pop up?

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Xinister
When did all these groups pop up?

I don't know. My guess is when the Griffin Sword saga got into full swing and people felt the need to get involved -- even though they were stupid fucktards.

Dreadnaught recruits people by promising them RPA/EXP modifiers... sad, no?

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Maimara

Originally posted by Xinister
When did all these groups pop up?

I don't know. My guess is when the Griffin Sword saga got into full swing and people felt the need to get involved -- even though they were stupid fucktards.

Dreadnaught recruits people by promising them RPA/EXP modifiers... sad, no?
It would be were it true but its not

[Jack]

The whole Elanthian Alliance thing was not a bad idea. It fell apart after a short while, mostly because every group involved felt that they should be in charge, for various reasons. Northern Fury due to their numbers, Onoir due to their superior holiness, etc. In the end it was destined to fail due to the egos of the leadership of all the various groups.

[Edaarin]

Dealing with leader ego's is one of the main reasons I never bothered joining a PRO.

Maybe it's a rogue thing...I've noticed with the exception of Atoyoz (sp?) not many feel the need to associate themselves with one.

[Artha]

Aone's in the best PRO ever.

[Izalude]

Originally posted by Jack
The whole Elanthian Alliance thing was not a bad idea. It fell apart after a short while, mostly because every group involved felt that they should be in charge, for various reasons. Northern Fury due to their numbers, Onoir due to their superior holiness, etc. In the end it was destined to fail due to the egos of the leadership of all the various groups.

I wouldn't say that it was necessarily an ego problem. I attended and organized the three meetings we had.

From the very beginning of the creation of the alliance, it was understood that every group would always retain it's sovereignty. Groups couldn't ORDER other groups around, no matter what.

The biggest disagreements started when one person brought up the idea of field marshalls. The idea was that every mobile group would train two field marshalls specificly trained to deploy groups in a city, to trouble spots during invasions. This concept worked wonderfully during the Siege of Ta'Illistim. It was really the first (and last) time all of the PRO's worked exceptionally well together. Tebon of Onoir would give each group reccomendations of deployment, and for the most part, just about every group listened. The disagreement at the meeting, was that if PRO's start dividing up 'turf' between eachother, we start becoming like Mafia bosses. Another person brought up the point that What happens if when the groups respond in large force, and two of the selected field marshalls show from two groups... Which one is in charge? In reguards to sovereignty though, a group could refuse the field marshall's reccomendations on where the field marshal would have liked for them to be deployed. In that case, the Field Marshall would have to find out what that group had in mind, and plan around it. This problem started surfacing in Ta'Illistim slightly.

I know Valicar for one would have followed potential Field Marshalls such as Cryheart of the Silver Gryphons, or Kabriel of Onoir, or Guarrin formerly of the Protectors. There was never an ego problem with Valicar. He knew when to lead, and when to abdicate. He was also the first group to leave the alliance because of the squabbaling over the Field Marshall plan. I don't remember exactly who he didn't get along with.

After Ta'Illistim, we had a few instances where the EA tried to work unilaterally, but didn't work all that well. First we tried to go to Teras to liberate the city of Krolvin occupation. It started off well, but ended badly when Tebon and Valicar were captured and 'wormed' by Sankir. After Teras, other examples are Malikary and his group attempting to take control of the war in Solhaven, or the Gryphons trying to take control of the war with Jantalar. Neither group was even an alliance member!

Because of this constant squabble that keeps presenting itself with House Dreadnaught, I withdrew ATK from the Alliance. This situation with Elrodin is the fourth problem we've had with one of our 'allies'. It's almost like every time someone even GLANCES at a Dreadnaught member, Sabreon and his slaves come in swinging. We will not share the same banner with Dreadnaught, and as I said before it's bad enough we have to share the same Meeting Hall.

So the problem of the failing alliance was never really an issue of Leader Egotism... It was more of a disagreement between the leaders that couldn't decide how large of a scale the alliance should be.

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Izalude

Because of this constant squabble that keeps presenting itself with House Dreadnaught, I withdrew ATK from the Alliance. This situation with Elrodin is the fourth problem we've had with one of our 'allies'. It's almost like every time someone even GLANCES at a Dreadnaught member, Sabreon and his slaves come in swinging.

Only Elrodin didnt glance at him, he killed him.

Could you imagine if Britain killed an American soldier because they did something they didnt like? Would the US stand back and say, "hey we're allies, we wont do anything" or would they take some kind of action?

[Betheny]

HEY OMFG GUESS WHAT I FOUND OUT TODAY...

Gemstone isn't like the real world!

HOLY SHIT WHO KNEW!!!!!!!!!:eek:

[Nieninque]

so alliances wouldnt be the same then?

[Betheny]

I'm just saying your comparison is irrelevant and useless and thus pointless to have even bothered to type out.

I mean.... yeah.

[Nieninque]

heh

Strange that, coz when we were debating SNowy's age, there wasnt half a lot a people screaming "it's unrealistic, a child in RL of that age couldnt hold a bow" etc. etc.

The point I'm making is that Elrodin killed someone in an allied organisation. That drew a tit-for-tat response.

Happens. In RL and in fantasy. not saying its right, but those that started the killing dont really have the right to bitch about how badly done by they are when they did the same thing.

[Artha]

Death in GS is the loss of a few minute's time and possibly 1k exp. It's not even a little bit equivalent to death in the real world.

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Artha
Death in GS is the loss of a few minute's time and possibly 1k exp. It's not even a little bit equivalent to death in the real world.

So Elrodin needs to quit whinging about being killed?

[Artha]

Maybe I should've clarified. This is not a valid comparison:


Could you imagine if Britain killed an American soldier because they did something they didnt like? Would the US stand back and say, "hey we're allies, we wont do anything" or would they take some kind of action?

[Nieninque]

I think it is.

Two allies.

One ally kills a member of the other.

What does the other do?

[Betheny]

IRL: Gets revenge.

In GS: Has a beer and watches COPS, then returns to whatever he/she was doing when they have recovered spirit/mana/etc.

[Artha]

I think it is.

Two allies.

One ally kills a member of the other.

What does the other do?

This is not the same. A more appropriate one would be like...

Two allies.

One allied soldier delays another at a checkpoint.

What does the other do?

[Nieninque]

In which case, the second ally merely delayed the first at a checkpoint later on, so what the fuck is the first soldier whinging about.

Boo fucking hoo.

[edited to say Elrodin got done to him exactly the same as he did to Sparroe. Suck it up.

Snowy killed Tayre in a fit of temper when he fogged her away from an archery competition at 4am in the morning (here). He later killed her for it. Did she sit and whinge about how terrible Tayre is? no. She got on with it realising that she struck the first blow.

Elrodin could learn something from that]


[Edited on 4-7-04 by Nieninque]

[Artha]

The appropriate answer is saying, "Oh well, I'm not going to bother whining about it because it's pointless and stupid."

[Izalude]

Originally posted by Nieninque
In which case, the second ally merely delayed the first at a checkpoint later on, so what the fuck is the first soldier whinging about.

Boo fucking hoo.

[edited to say Elrodin got done to him exactly the same as he did to Sparroe. Suck it up.

Snowy killed Tayre in a fit of temper when he fogged her away from an archery competition at 4am in the morning (here). He later killed her for it. Did she sit and whinge about how terrible Tayre is? no. She got on with it realising that she struck the first blow.

Elrodin could learn something from that]


[Edited on 4-7-04 by Nieninque]

You conveniently forgot something in your reply. Let me requote it for you:


Originally posted by Izalude
Because of this constant squabble that keeps presenting itself with House Dreadnaught, I withdrew ATK from the Alliance. This situation with Elrodin is the fourth problem we've had with one of our 'allies'.


Elrodin is but one of four problems we've had with dreadnaught. And every single time it ends up with Sabreon either barking threats or showing up swinging. When they joined the alliance, they were not well-known at all. Only after the war in Illistim did the illustrious leader display his true colors.

Sabreon's idea is that if he goes around killing people for any stupid reason, people will cower in fear and be submissive towards him. He believes the solution for any in-game problem is to kill someone. He takes shit he hears on PSINet in game, and he takes shit on message boards in game. In fact, I truly hope he confronts me in game for this post.

Dreadnaught may be a respectible group one day... but that will only happen once the leadership changes.

[Nieninque]

Its a shame then, that the fourth problem with your allies was as a result of something stupid that one of your members did.

And while you argue that there may be problems with the way Dreadnaught is led, its the ATK that has people resigning due to in-fighting.

[Izalude]

Originally posted by Nieninque
Its a shame then, that the fourth problem with your allies was as a result of something stupid that one of your members did.

And while you argue that there may be problems with the way Dreadnaught is led, its the ATK that has people resigning due to in-fighting.


And the other three instances were result of stupid things House Dreadnaught did. This last instance was the last straw. :shrug:

And what do you know of ATK? It obviously can't be much. There haven't been any 'resignations due to in-fighting' since I returned back in June.

[Betheny]

This chick has a boner for Dreadnaught, let's face it.

[Gan]

The ATK might have dirty laundry, as all organizations do, but to date I've not seen any resignations that have gone through.


Ganalon,

Western Centurion
Ardenai Temple Knights

[Anebriated]

Snowdrop, since you seem to know the situation better than I why dont you please explain it. I for one would appreciate it.

Now that I have said that, you can get the fuck off the high horse you rode in on and learn your place. I did not kill anyone, I was killed twice. The reason I was killed is because there was someone who was being ganged up on in Vaalor. I know people had reason to kill him, and I appreciate that, but when someone gives consent to duel each person who wanted to kill him and 3 people jump in then its not right. Witnessing the entire event I told everyone to fight fair as they would jump in if their friend was losing. After he was attacked again I warned once more to fight fair. At this point the member from your house shot him twice from the shadows, revealing himself after the second. When he came out I shot him IN THE LEG, which did not kill him.

So according to you I should take a 'lesson' from what happened. I can't do that. I refuse to rely on MAing chars to survive and back myself up. I refuse to fight battles started by others that dont involve me. And most of all, I refuse to lead a group around with my head stuck up some GM's ass in hopes that they will like me.

Now, you can either accept what I have told you or I can try to see if I still have the log. Or if it fits you I can have the member of your house who was there(hint: NOT YOU) tell you what I have said earlier. Now I dont know why you drag this on, or why you approached me in game a few days after this happened, but you seriously need to get your facts straight before you try to argue about what happened.


And while you argue that there may be problems with the way Dreadnaught is led, its the ATK that has people resigning due to in-fighting.

Alright, this didnt make much sense but in my efforts to decipher it here is my reply:

How does this have to do with the fact that Sabreon/Mistros/Kolts attack people for their members without asking questions? Or even how does it have anything to do with the leadership of the Knights? People have arguments, you cant change that. Sometimes people feel its best to seperate from the other person they are fighting with. Just a thought.

Ill add more later. I am just tired of quoting bad information. I think Snowdrop gets it from Sabreon...

[Edaarin]

I don't really keep up to date on who's in what PRO anymore, but from what I remember I'd never heard of half of House Dreadnought, and the ATK needed a revamping in their selection processing...

I don't think you all have fully recovered from Warclaidhm claiming he was a member, Izalude :whistle:

[Anebriated]

Originally posted by Sabreon on the official boards
Greetings,

Much has happened in the last evening. Trouble has started between the Ardenai Temple Knights and our House. I will explain this as briefly as possible. Yesterday in Ta'Vaalor, a young sorcerer was disturbing the town and attacking many using open maelstorm's in public areas as well as tricking young ones into eating Nightmare casting roses. The sorcerer was challenged by just about all he randomly killed and attacked. The sorcerer fought back many. Elrodin felt the need to stand watch to make sure no one overpowered the "poor sorcerer". As a young member of our house fired, Elrodin shot him. : Shakes head: I tried to confront Elrodin about this matter out of game at first. I was met with the reply "I don't care that he was your member. He was warned and his punishment was served". (I believe that's close to exact words.) He then went on to speak rather harshly about our house. He never wished for our House to be part of their alliance, despite the fact they asked us to join. So back in game, Sabreon met Elrodin at the docks. I killed Elrodin and told him as he told me "Your punishment is served". Izalude, their commander, awarded Sabreon with a faenor citation pin:

Show: This small, leaf-shaped pin is studded with tiny star emeralds. Along the bottom is a gold-chased inscription reading, "Ardenai Temple Knights citation for distinction and valor in combat." (Ironic huh?)

This award is now worthless and I plan to give it back the next time I see Izalude. So at this moment we are no longer allied with the ATK. Izalude has personally vowed to get us kicked out of the Elanthian Alliance. My reply is we will continue to defend the Elven Nations and each other as we have done for 2 years now. We will just do it without the "title" of an EA member. Now I also wish to stress that I hold no ill will towards the members of the Knights. I have no faith in their leadership and going by the many divisions in that group I am sure I am not the only one. We need not ally with those that carelessly attack their allies for no better reason then. (As Elrodin put it) " He was warned by me and punished."

Now this is nothing for you all to worry about. I just wanted to keep you all informed of what is happening. Have a great day

Commander Sabreon Dragorth


I was met with the reply "I don't care that he was your member.

That was two of my IM's put together, I believe they were more along the lines of. "I didnt know he was your memeber(I missed the large red sign on him that said property of Sabre....err Dreadnaught)" and "he still shot the sorcerer after I said not to(sorcerer had just been raised and was working on setting up a new duel while respelling when he was shot)".


He never wished for our House to be part of their alliance, despite the fact they asked us to join

I never said that, I was one of the supporters of Dreadnaught in the beginning. Those were the days when I was still trying to give Sabreon a chance being as a few of my close friends were in Dreadnaught at the time.


Sabreon met Elrodin at the docks. I killed Elrodin and told him as he told me "Your punishment is served".

Sabreon met Elrodin on the boat, where elrodin was sitting, unspelled, bow over shoulder and I was getting a drink. When I returned I had been Mstriked to death (by sabreon). After I was dead his cleric(i forget her name but i always see the 5 of them(sabreon, Kolts, Mistros, Cleric and some other one) log on and off at the same time) proceeded to raise me while i was still full injured then left me bleeding on the ground for me to bleed to death a second time. He might have said something but it definately wasnt "Your punishment is served".


Izalude, their commander, awarded Sabreon with a faenor citation pin:

Way to twist your words around to make you sound better. He was awarded the pin for the help he provided in the Krolvin visit to Teras if I remember correctly. That was a good year? year and a half before this incident occured... real convenient for your story though.

[Anebriated]

I don't really keep up to date on who's in what PRO anymore, but from what I remember I'd never heard of half of House Dreadnought, and the ATK needed a revamping in their selection processing...

Accepting members into a PRO is one of the hardest things to do in the game. There is no telling how the member will react when certain situation arise or even if they are just putting up a front at meetings and when around members. The fact that there is no good way to accept people into an organization means that there will always be a rotten egg or two that find their way in. These things just have to be accepted.

[Izalude]

Now however, we have a system in place to remove problematic people, should one decide to try and join our ranks.

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Elrodin
So according to you I should take a 'lesson' from what happened. I can't do that. I refuse to rely on MAing chars to survive and back myself up. I refuse to fight battles started by others that dont involve me.

Yet that's what you did.



Now I dont know why you drag this on, or why you approached me in game a few days after this happened,


Erm, thats not true. In fact you approached me, about Rarr I think, and that was the first time we spoke. It came into the same conversation, but I had no reason to say anything to you prior to your approach to me.

The reason I raised it here was because you joined in with Maimara's thread saying stuff along the lines of "yeah he's really terrible, here's how he treated me." When actually, you did the same thing yourself.

[Lyonis]

First off I’d like to address the recent incident between Maimara and House Dreadnaught. I was not personally there to see the events so I cannot confirm that Maimara’s story is entirely true, but I am willing to give Maimara the benefit of the doubt and concede that all events transpired as she as told. With that concession, I am forced to no other conclusion that you were done wrong and there is no excuse for the harm done. I will not attempt to defend the actions of the House when we are clearly to blame. To do so would be foolish. While Lyonis is still a loyal member of the group and does hold Sabreon as one of his closest friends, he acknowledges that there are mistakes. I do honestly believe that the House is full of people that generally mean well and would like to see people enjoy themselves.

While my opinion may differ from yours, I will always hold you the player in high respects for the kindness you showed me as a new player and in admiration for how well Maimara is role-played.

Now that the civilities are finished lets continue on to the Ardenai Temple Institute For The Dishonest and Retarded….


Originally posted by Elrodin
“I refuse to fight battles started by others that dont involve me.”


If that were the case there would have been no conflict to even talk about. I think that sufficiently justifies my claim of retardation.


Originally posted by Elrodin

“…when Sabreon decided he was the law and stepped in and killed me while unarmed, UNSPELLED and afk…”

Well here’s that death from my own eyes.

“Sabreon looks determined and focused.
In an awe inspiring display of combat mastery, Sabreon engages Elrodin in a furious dance macabre, spiralling into a blur of strikes and ripostes!
Sabreon swings a monir-hafted golvern morning star at Elrodin! A hit!
Right hand mangled horribly.
He is stunned!
Sabreon swings a viciously spiked vultite mace at Elrodin! A hit!
Internal organs bruised.
Sabreon swings a monir-hafted golvern morning star at Elrodin! A hit!
Neck skewered, sliding past the throat and spine! That looks painful.

* Elrodin drops dead at your feet!

The deep blue glow leaves Elrodin.
The silvery luminescence fades from around Elrodin.
Elrodin is no longer moving so silently.
Elrodin seems to lose an aura of confidence.
The bright luminescence fades from around Elrodin.
Elrodin returns to normal color.
Elrodin seems to lose some dexterity.
The brilliant luminescence fades from around Elrodin.
Elrodin becomes solid again.
Elrodin seems to lose some internal strength.”

I think that satisfies the dishonest requirement. No reason to try and make things worse then they really are. Nothing as stylish as bending the truth to inspire sympathy for a weak case.



Originally posted by Elrodin

“The reason I was killed is because there was someone who was being ganged up on in Vaalor. I know people had reason to kill him, and I appreciate that, but when someone gives consent to duel each person who wanted to kill him and 3 people jump in then its not right.”

You freely admit that you attempt to force your will on others, yet you find it shocking when “Sabreon decided he was the law and stepped in”. I cannot extend any pity for someone that tries to walk their baby nuts around the block, only to get them stepped on before they reach corner, who then cries about it. While not exactly dishonest or retarded, it sure qualifies as hypocritical and just seems to end this post on a high note.

For those of you that would like the condensed version, I apologize for this being so long, here’s the main themes. First, Maimara very sorry because I think you’re great. Finally, the ATK is a bunch of whiny pussies.

Lyonis

[Betheny]

Lyonis, <3!

BTW -- I forgot to put you on my buddy list last night, U2U or IM me with it :) My IM is on one of the buttons under my posts.

[Gan]

Originally posted by Lyonis
Finally, the ATK is a bunch of whiny pussies.
Lyonis

Guess it takes one to know one eh?

:stfu: :loser:

[Nieninque]

Waah! Waah!

:baby:

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Lyonis
First off I’d like to address the recent incident between Maimara and House Dreadnaught. I was not personally there to see the events so I cannot confirm that Maimara’s story is entirely true, but I am willing to give Maimara the benefit of the doubt and concede that all events transpired as she as told. With that concession, I am forced to no other conclusion that you were done wrong and there is no excuse for the harm done. I will not attempt to defend the actions of the House when we are clearly to blame. To do so would be foolish. While Lyonis is still a loyal member of the group and does hold Sabreon as one of his closest friends, he acknowledges that there are mistakes. I do honestly believe that the House is full of people that generally mean well and would like to see people enjoy themselves.


Obviously, the house is full of nothing but well-meaning people that also happen to kill people multiple times for OOC reasons.

If you concede that Maimara's story is true, then you might as well concede that Sabreo/Mistros/Kolts is a stupid little bitch and by association, so are the other members of Dreadnaught.

[Nieninque]

If the same applies to Elrodin and the ATK you may have a point.

At least Dreadnaught dont come whinging here when they get whopped, so that puts them above ATK :)

[Gan]

Originally posted by Nieninque
At least Dreadnaught dont come whinging here when they get whopped, so that puts them above ATK :)

Since when does posting on these boards constitute whining? Are you a member of either one of the PRO's mentioned in this thread? The reason why I ask is that your stronge sense of dislike for either Elrodin or the ATK makes me think you've either been scorned or whupped by either the former or the later.

:lol:

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Nieninque
If the same applies to Elrodin and the ATK you may have a point.

At least Dreadnaught dont come whinging here when they get whopped, so that puts them above ATK :)

Sorry, I was sticking with the topic of the thread. And WHAT THE FUCK is "whinging?"

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Ganalon

Since when does posting on these boards constitute whining?

When you do it in a whiney way, a la Elrodin/Izalude (read above). :)

Example:

Someone: This is bad and happened to me.
Someone else: Yeah and the person that did that to you someone, also did this to me when I was acting the prick, therefore they are bad bad.
Someone else completely: But didnt you get mistreated in the same way that you mistreated someone different altogether?
Someone else: Thats not the point, that person is just mean and its not nice because it happened to me!
Someone else: Now where did I leave my dummy?


See?



Are you a member of either one of the PRO's mentioned in this thread? The reason why I ask is that your stronge sense of dislike for either Elrodin or the ATK makes me think you've either been scorned or whupped by either the former or the later.

:lol:

I think I can honestly say that there are only two people that have given my character a whupping and havent been avenged. One is Evoz (so far), because he was much much older than me when he killed me.
The second is Lorbeus - because it just isnt worth it any more.

As I said, I only met Elrodin when he was sucking up to me about giving Rarr grief (it might have been Caradora, but I think it was Rarr). I never spoke to him before and since.

The only other ATK I met knowing he was ATK began with A (cant remember his name) He was a mage and I lliked him. Nowhere near as whiney as E and I, mind.

I also met Dragolyn a couple of times and I think (mebbe wrong) that he is ATK too. He is cool.

So in fact, once again, you are wrong on both counts. ;)

[Gan]

So you're not a member of either PRO. Thanks for comfirming my theory. :lol:

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Mistomeer

Sorry, I was sticking with the topic of the thread. And WHAT THE FUCK is "whinging?"

whinge ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hwnj, wnj)
intr.v. Chiefly British whinged, whing·ing, whing·es

To complain or protest, especially in an annoying or persistent manner.

[Izalude]

Originally posted by Nieninque

Originally posted by Ganalon

Since when does posting on these boards constitute whining?

When you do it in a whiney way, a la Elrodin/Izalude (read above). :)

Example:

Someone: This is bad and happened to me.
Someone else: Yeah and the person that did that to you someone, also did this to me when I was acting the prick, therefore they are bad bad.
Someone else completely: But didnt you get mistreated in the same way that you mistreated someone different altogether?
Someone else: Thats not the point, that person is just mean and its not nice because it happened to me!
Someone else: Now where did I leave my dummy?


See?



Are you a member of either one of the PRO's mentioned in this thread? The reason why I ask is that your stronge sense of dislike for either Elrodin or the ATK makes me think you've either been scorned or whupped by either the former or the later.

:lol:

I think I can honestly say that there are only two people that have given my character a whupping and havent been avenged. One is Evoz (so far), because he was much much older than me when he killed me.
The second is Lorbeus - because it just isnt worth it any more.

As I said, I only met Elrodin when he was sucking up to me about giving Rarr grief (it might have been Caradora, but I think it was Rarr). I never spoke to him before and since.

The only other ATK I met knowing he was ATK began with A (cant remember his name) He was a mage and I lliked him. Nowhere near as whiney as E and I, mind.

I also met Dragolyn a couple of times and I think (mebbe wrong) that he is ATK too. He is cool.

So in fact, once again, you are wrong on both counts. ;)



If posting arguments and backing it up with facts constitutes as 'whining', then yes, I'm guilty as charged. Where do you get the whining from? Never did I post OMFG SABREON IS MEAN AND I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!!11!

A few months ago, Sabreon was going around telling a bunch of people that Izalude was sold. I'd love to know where he got that from. A good friend of mine was in Dreadnaught for a bit, but left because of the leader. He was annoyed that Sabreon, Kolts, and Mistros each carried a vote on house issues, despite being the same person. How can he expect people to take his house seriously when he does that?

The thing that most of the Dreadnaught people, including the illustrious 'leader', don't understand that there are much greater forms of revenge than removing a deed from someone every once in awhile. Or in RL case, delaying someone at a check point. :gaze up: This is the fourth time Sabreon has burned his political bridges with us. I just regret not getting us out sooner.

To Lyonis:
I've delt with you before, and I respect you. You're a reasonable man. If you siezed control of Dreadnaught, then your house has hope. With it's current leadership however, it's only a matter of time...

[Scott]

<<<<I also met Dragolyn a couple of times and I think (mebbe wrong) that he is ATK too. He is cool.>>>>

No, he's not.

EDIT: Cool that is. He at least WAS in ATK, I'd hope they'd have kicked him out.

[Edited on 7-4-2004 by Gemstone101]

[Anebriated]

First off, I stepped into the fight becuase there was a mob of 10 or so people who all wished to kill the sorcerer. The sorcerer agreed to duel each person seperately. I have no problem with this. When the sorcerer would start to win a duel the townspeople of Vaalor would step in and either heal their friend or aid in the killing of the sorcerer. This is when I said to fight fair. When nothing changed I removed a leg of the next person who attacked out of turn, happened to be a dreadnaught member.

Second, I apologize for saying I was spelled, I guess I wasnt. The whole event happened awhile ago and I dont remember every detail anymore, though I generally didnt spell up for the ferry ride.

Third, I would not suck up to you. You were there because I had died in the bog and Rarr fogged seconds later to try and rescue me, only to die herself. I laughed at that because I dont like her. I mentioned it to you because you had just posted a copy of you killing her.

If you wouldnt mind Lyonis, could you send me a copy of that log? I would like to see it again as its been awhile.

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Elrodin
First off, I stepped into the fight becuase there was a mob of 10 or so people who all wished to kill the sorcerer. The sorcerer agreed to duel each person seperately. I have no problem with this. When the sorcerer would start to win a duel the townspeople of Vaalor would step in and either heal their friend or aid in the killing of the sorcerer. This is when I said to fight fair. When nothing changed I removed a leg of the next person who attacked out of turn, happened to be a dreadnaught member.

So, referring back to a comment in one of your earlier posts,

Who made you the law?

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Nieninque

Originally posted by Mistomeer

Sorry, I was sticking with the topic of the thread. And WHAT THE FUCK is "whinging?"

whinge ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hwnj, wnj)
intr.v. Chiefly British whinged, whing·ing, whing·es

To complain or protest, especially in an annoying or persistent manner.



OrgName: Simutronics Corporation
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[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Mistomeer

OrgName: Simutronics Corporation
OrgID: SIMUT-1
Address: 1500 Wall Street
City: St. Charles
StateProv: MO
PostalCode: 63303
Country: US

Not my fault you dont know how to speak properly

[Mistomeer]

I live in the US and I'm not Madonna. I don't use British words. If I did live in Britian, I wouldn't use British words when my audience is American.

[Artha]

Not my fault you dont know how to speak properly

Mispronouncing whine isn't proper.

[Nieninque]

Who was talking to you anyway?

:lol:

[Nieninque]

it isnt mispronouncing whine. It's a different word.
Whine
Whinge

Look similar
Mean similar things
Different words
Just because you dont use them, doesnt mean they dont exist.

[Artha]

I thought it was a retarded typo until you pointed out it was just one of those wacky british words. Ponce.

[Nieninque]

I'm not a ponce.
That would be the English ;)

[Artha]

It's the only wacky British insult I know :P

[Nieninque]

:lol:

[Mistomeer]

You're all wankers.