How to max CS/DS with 3x Spell Ranks

[Delarock]

I can't find it. I'm looking for the total number of spells you need to max either CS or DS. The CS one has popped up a few places, but the DS one (I think Virilneus has mentioned it a few times) is evading me.

[Jonty]

CS: 162 sorc. 77 MnE, 64 MnS.
DS: Since the DS spell bonus caps at level, I'd imagine it's around 100 per spell circle.

[Darcthundar]

CS: 162 sorc. 77 MnE, 64 MnS.
DS: Since the DS spell bonus caps at level, I'd imagine it's around 100 per spell circle.

My quick calculation for DS, assuming I understand the spells, are 92 Sorc, 180 MnS and 30 MnE, with one left over which will not add to any DS. But, I could be wrong

[Jymamon]

But, I could be wrong
Nothing in MnS gives bonus past current level so I have no idea what you're putting the extra 80 ranks there for.

I suspect Jonty's answer is correct, though I'm too lazy to verify it.

[Darcthundar]

Nothing in MnS gives bonus past current level so I have no idea what you're putting the extra 80 ranks there for.

I suspect Jonty's answer is correct, though I'm too lazy to verify it.

It is possible I am wrong.

GSIV documentation states, "Overtraining in Minor Spiritual spell ranks does not yield additional bonus past the caster's level."

Which I interpet as the most bonus you can get from 102 and 120 is +100 (at cap) DS bonus each. So assuming my interpetation is correct at 180 MnS you would get +100 DS from 102 and +95 DS from 120. At 100 MnS spells you would get +69 DS from 102 and 55 DS from 120.

Once again, assuming I am correct you could change it to 92 Sorc, 162 MnS and 48 MnE which should yield the same DS. But would give you more CS and more MnE spells.

However it could be also interpeted another way. But I am also to lazy to verify it.

[Jonty]

It is possible I am wrong.

GSIV documentation states, "Overtraining in Minor Spiritual spell ranks does not yield additional bonus past the caster's level."

Which I interpet as the most bonus you can get from 102 and 120 is +100 (at cap) DS bonus each. So assuming my interpetation is correct at 180 MnS you would get +100 DS from 102 and +95 DS from 120. At 100 MnS spells you would get +69 DS from 102 and 55 DS from 120.

Once again, assuming I am correct you could change it to 92 Sorc, 162 MnS and 48 MnE which should yield the same DS. But would give you more CS and more MnE spells.

However it could be also interpeted another way. But I am also to lazy to verify it.

You're interpreting it wrong. It says the same exact thing for 712, and I know I do not gain DS from my spell ranks over 100.

[Darcthundar]

You're interpreting it wrong. It says the same exact thing for 712, and I know I do not gain DS from my spell ranks over 100.

After testing I was wrong. I get 113 DS from 712. Which would not be possible under my interpetation

[rolfard]

162 sorc, 73 MnS, 68 MnS

[Jonty]

I like the 162 sorc, 77 MnE, 64 MnS route for more TD.

[Jeril]

After testing I was wrong. I get 113 DS from 712. Which would not be possible under my interpetation

That is because you are reading it wrong. What it is saying is that you get no benefits for having ranks in the sorcerer spell list beyond your level. Not that the bonus caps out at 100. So, you getting 113 DS at cap is what you should be seeing, +25 for the spell and +88 DS from additional sorcerer ranks beyond the spells level up to your own.

[crb]

I think 78 mne 78 mns and 14x (whatever it ends at) is a reasonable for a mix of cs and td/ds

That is what I did.

[Mumblz]

I like the 162 sorc, 77 MnE, 64 MnS route for more TD.

You lose 4? DS and gain how much TD?

[Jonty]

You lose 4? DS and gain how much TD?

You'll lose 4 DS from MnS, but you'll gain 2 DS and 2 TD from MnE. So you're really trading 2 DS for 2 eTD. I don't care about the loss of 2 DS because you can easily regain it, and more, with enchanted gear or dodge ranks....

[Gibreficul]

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 74

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 67

Spell Lists
Sorcerer...........................| 162

^^^ Max CS ^^^

I did a little bit of "post cap spell migration" in order to squeeze out an extra CS or 2 on my sorcerer. What I found was... 162 sorcerer ranks, 67 minor spirit ranks, and 73 minor elemental ranks, with one spell rank left over. I put it in Minor Elemental for the 430 TD bonus. I figure I'm hunting Nelemar, with elementals, I want elemental TD more than spirit TD.

[Fallen]

You will also get bolt AS out of Minor Elemental until the 75th rank, and Minor Elemental CS (For 409/415). Finally, getting a higher duration with 425 and 430 is nice as those spells always wear off at the most inconvenient times.