SPELLBURST revisited, again

[Gibreficul]

Over the past couple mornings, I've been unlocking and infusing scrolls with my sorcerer in Shattered. After dealing with about 125 scrolls, I'm looking for a reason to have all of those things... and I think furthering my spellburst research (after years of being shelved) is in order.

I'd appreciate any "extra" data points anyone is willing to show me. I'm going to remove the "traps" from the burst_calc script so it'll work in any game instance again. There's a hockey game I"m getting ready to watch, so it probably won't happen until I get home from work early this morning.

In order for your data to be worthwhile... I'll need some information about your character at the time the test was done. Here's what I need:

OUTPUT FROM burst_calc script.
Character's level.
Characters applicable spellburst skills.

An example of a "good" sample piece of data... with the exception that it isn't a "burst" example...


Outside spells: [202, 207, 503, 509, 911]

Limit: 66.50
Current: 33.00

You are UNDER by 33.50 mana

Level 100

Arcane Symbols.....................| 201 101
Magic Item Use.....................| 201 101
Spell Aiming.......................| 201 101
Harness Power......................| 200 100
Elemental Mana Control.............| 190 90
Spirit Mana Control................| 160 60
Sorcerous Lore - Demonology........| 105 25


The above, however is useless to me, since I already know that it's a "safe" range for his spellburst. WHat I'm looking for is actual burst examples. The "outside spells" before and after the burst is extremely important, along with the skills that affect it.

What I'm trying to do is figure out the "next" tier of the spellburst formula. I think it's something as simple as having the wrong divisor, but not enough data points to actually fit a line. Any help is appreciated... I'll be posting my findings when I solidify the formula.

One more thing: If you can't wear more than half your level in wearable mana, your information is useless to me.

[BriarFox]

In the interests of science, I will try to blow myself up later. You want the info PM'd?

[Ceyrin]

I was much more amenable to helping you with this research when it was us trying to blow your character up.

I dunno about this...

Also, I'd have to actually go somewhere with SB. That's work. =(

[Gibreficul]

In the interests of science, I will try to blow myself up later. You want the info PM'd?

PM is fine... thanks. (OOH, I think it's there!)


I was much more amenable to helping you with this research when it was us trying to blow your character up.

I dunno about this...

Also, I'd have to actually go somewhere with SB. That's work. =(

The rift is stupid! I don't know how else to explain it to you! :rofl:

:club:

[Loyrl]

So the script on the repo is going to be "burst_calc" if so and if I can find someone to spell me up on Teras I'll try blowin myself up when i get home from work. I know I have had a full wizard spell up along with spirituals and didn't lose anything.

[Eoghain]

I just went back to EN, so I can do this in OTF if you'd like. But i'll need you to give me specific instructions on how many spells to wear.

[wizgem3]

I just went back to EN, so I can do this in OTF if you'd like. But i'll need you to give me specific instructions on how many spells to wear.

I'm guessing to keep spelling up until you burst and give him what spell you where wearing at time of burst and what spell are blown after the burst.

[Gibreficul]

THIS is what I'm looking for:




LEVEL 100 SORCERER:
Arcane Symbols.....................| 201 101
Magic Item Use.....................| 201 101
Spell Aiming.......................| 201 101
Harness Power......................| 200 100
Elemental Mana Control.............| 190 90
Spirit Mana Control................| 180 80
Sorcerous Lore - Demonology........| 105 25

[burst_calc: * burst factor of 3]

Outside spells: [202, 207, 211, 303, 313, 314, 503, 507, 508, 509, 601, 602, 618, 911, 913]

Limit: 107.00
Current: 114.50

You are OVER by 7.50 mana

Your wearable mana exceeds half your level. Formula used may over-estimate wearable mana, use with caution.

>You suddenly feel the essence surrounding you shift and writhe chaotically!
An ethereal golden collection bowl drifts out of your body, then vanishes.
... 20 points of damage!
Nasty jolt to chest causes heart to skip a beat!
You are stunned for 3 rounds!
>You feel at full magical power again.
>Your group status is now open.
>[lnet: sending spell info to GSF:Beelzebub...]
;burst_c
--- Lich: burst_calc active.
[burst_calc: * burst factor of 3]

Outside spells: [202, 207, 211, 303, 313, 503, 507, 508, 509, 601, 602, 618, 911, 913]

Limit: 107.00
Current: 100.00

You are UNDER by 7.00 mana

***********
[burst_calc: * burst factor of 3]

Outside spells: [202, 207, 211, 303, 313, 503, 507, 508, 509, 601, 602, 618, 911, 913]

Limit: 107.00
Current: 100.00

You are UNDER by 7.00 mana

Your wearable mana exceeds half your level. Formula used may over-estimate wearable mana, use with caution.

You suddenly feel the essence surrounding you shift and writhe chaotically!
A white glow rushes away from you.
... 10 points of damage!
You just got the cold shoulder!

[burst_calc: * burst factor of 3]

Outside spells: [202, 207, 211, 313, 503, 507, 508, 509, 601, 602, 618, 911, 913]

Limit: 107.00
Current: 98.00

You are UNDER by 9.00 mana

Your wearable mana exceeds half your level. Formula used may over-estimate wearable mana, use with caution.

Hmmmkay? Notice all the things in there. Level, applicable skills (spell ranks mean nothing.) Output from burst_calc before and after a spellburst. THe SMALLER the spell you can get to burst off of you, the closer we can assume to being at or near our threshold to burst. Krakii has a spellburst article that you can get any additional information from before trying this.

The "burst factor" echo is from a modification I made in burst_calc trying to get the formula in the script to match what is observed. In the repo version of the script, it is 10, which will grossly under-estimate the mana you can safely wear... I have that number dropped down to 3 in my script, and it seems to be closer to the actual value. That number should be set on or near line 54 in the script, if you'd want to tweak it any for your own purposes.

[Loyrl]

--- Lich: burst_calc active.

Outside spells: [101, 103, 105, 107, 202, 207, 303, 401, 406, 414, 509, 602, 606]

Limit: 44.00
Current: 47.50

You are OVER by 3.50 mana


>skill
(at level 100), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 250 150
Combat Maneuvers...................| 302 202
Two-Handed Weapons.................| 302 202
Brawling...........................| 302 202
Ambush.............................| 105 25
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 255 155
Physical Fitness...................| 313 213
Dodging............................| 302 202
Arcane Symbols.....................| 150 50
Magic Item Use.....................| 150 50
Perception.........................| 201 101
Climbing...........................| 145 45
Swimming...........................| 170 70

NO burst on the spells above, drank a small glowing vial for bravery and I burst.

>;burst
--- Lich: burst_calc active.

Outside spells: [101, 103, 105, 107, 202, 207, 211, 303, 401, 406, 414, 509, 602, 606]

Limit: 44.00
Current: 59.00

You are OVER by 15.00 mana
You suddenly feel the essence surrounding you shift and writhe chaotically!
You feel less confident.
... 15 points of damage!
Nasty jolt to left eye causes eyelid to split. Gross!
You are stunned for 3 rounds!
You suddenly feel the essence surrounding you shift and writhe chaotically!
The dim aura fades from around you.
... 10 points of damage!
Intense blast to your eyelid causes it to sizzle and pop.
You suddenly feel the essence surrounding you shift and writhe chaotically!
The bright luminescence fades from around you.
... 5 points of damage!
A frosty blow to the neck. Bet that smarts!
You suddenly feel the essence surrounding you shift and writhe chaotically!
The powerful look leaves you.
... 5 points of damage!
You wince as the blast numbs your right arm.
You suddenly feel the essence surrounding you shift and writhe chaotically!
The light blue glow leaves you.
... 10 points of damage!
Searing bolt of energy strikes you, scorching a wide swath of flesh!


After I burst I was able to ;burst and it would show this.


>;burst
--- Lich: burst_calc active.

Outside spells: [101, 103, 105, 107, 202, 207, 211, 303, 401, 406, 414, 509, 602, 606]

Limit: 44.00
Current: 59.00

You are OVER by 15.00 mana


After that I hit spell active and then ;burst and it came up with this.

>;burst
--- Lich: burst_calc active.

--- Exception: comparison of NilClass with 401 failed
burst_calc:59:in `sort'

[Gibreficul]

Ahem...



One more thing: If you can't wear more than half your level in wearable mana, your information is useless to me.

--- Lich: burst_calc active.

Outside spells: [101, 103, 105, 107, 202, 207, 303, 401, 406, 414, 509, 602, 606]

Limit: 44.00
Current: 47.50

You are OVER by 3.50 mana


>skill
(at level 100), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
After that I hit spell active and then ;burst and it came up with this.

>;burst
--- Lich: burst_calc active.

--- Exception: comparison of NilClass with 401 failed
burst_calc:59:in `sort'

MATH CLASS: 100 / 2 = 50. 44 is less than 50.... SO....


Um.... appreciate you trying to help, but um... my original post said that if your wearable mana is less than half your level, your information is useless to me.

As for that "bug" in the script, I know about it, but I don't know what's causing it and therefore, don't know how to fix it. I think it's armor tweaks, but again, I just don't know for sure. It usually "fixes itself" after a mana pulse or 2, when the XML containing your active spells refreshes.

[Eoghain]

does ;burst_calc account for 1700s circle, or do they not affect burst? I'm sitting in OTF and over by 5.50 mana, and nothing is happening. I'm slowly stacking spells... Over by 22.0 mana. Still nothing. Over by 37 mana. Nada.

[wizgem3]

does ;burst_calc account for 1700s circle, or do they not affect burst? I'm sitting in OTF and over by 5.50 mana, and nothing is happening. I'm slowly stacking spells... Over by 22.0 mana. Still nothing. Over by 37 mana. Nada.

Arcane circle does not affect spell burst.

[tallkris3]

Not sure if you want this or if you even care but I'll throw it up here since it relates to spell burst.

First off I cannot wear more then half my mana in spells. I'm 81, I can wear 23 mana according to burst_calc which matches doing it via my own math.

I was wearing the same 21 mana worth of spells I always wear into OTF. While there I got diseased, figured I'd hang out get a couple of kills before I have to go back and get it cured. While diseased, I spell burst.


You suddenly feel the essence surrounding you shift and writhe chaotically!
You notice your skin is flaking off in large pieces!
... 5 points of damage!
You wince as the blast numbs your right arm.
You suddenly feel the essence surrounding you shift and writhe chaotically!
The brilliant luminescence fades from around you.
... 20 points of damage!
Vicious hole burned through your shield hand!
You are stunned for 1 round!
You suddenly feel the essence surrounding you shift and writhe chaotically!
The dim aura fades from around you.
... 5 points of damage!
Light shock to back. That stings!
You suddenly feel the essence surrounding you shift and writhe chaotically!
The silvery luminescence fades from around you.
... 15 points of damage!
Near miss! Cool blast to the lower back and you stagger.

So disease counts towards spell burst. Kinda a double whammy.

[chrenraf]

where can i get this spell burst calculator?

[mgoddess]

where can i get this spell burst calculator?
Need to be using Lich... if you are, or once you are:

;repo download burst_calc

[Gibreficul]

I was wearing the same 21 mana worth of spells I always wear into OTF. While there I got diseased, figured I'd hang out get a couple of kills before I have to go back and get it cured. While diseased, I spell burst.


So disease counts towards spell burst. Kinda a double whammy.

Ya, the datapoint is useless, as we know it fits the current formula's line. But the additional tidbit of information is good to have made public. I've also noticed that SOME offensive spells can mess with spellburst. They're really not supposed to. Appreciate the tidbit though, because it's something I don't often think to even include in the discussion.

Eoghain, I'm WELL AWARE (and for the repo version, it's BY INTENT) that for the upper range of the formula... (more than half your level in wearable mana) it GROSSLY UNDERESTIMATES your wearable mana. I mean, by a SHITTON. My version... which has that factor modified puts my sorcerer at... 99.5 mana wearable. Repo version says.. 67 wearable. From my perspective, it's easier to be "safe" and not generate negative reactions toward the script. And if you're going to be wrong, be wrong by a lot! :club:

[Gibreficul]

--- Lich: burst_calc active.
[burst_calc: * burst factor of 3.5]

Outside spells: [202, 204, 207, 211, 303, 313, 314, 503, 507, 508, 509, 601, 602, 606, 613, 618, 905, 911, 913, 1601, 1616]

Limit: 99.50
Current: 160.50

You are OVER by 61.00 mana

Your wearable mana exceeds half your level. Formula used may over-estimate wearable mana, use with caution.

>You suddenly feel the essence surrounding you shift and writhe chaotically!
A white glow rushes away from you.
... 20 points of damage!
Good blow to your left hand!
You are stunned for 1 round!
You suddenly feel the essence surrounding you shift and writhe chaotically!
An ethereal golden collection bowl drifts out of your body, then vanishes.
... 5 points of damage!
Strike glances off your chest.
You suddenly feel the essence surrounding you shift and writhe chaotically!
The dully illuminated mantle protecting you begins to falter, then completely fades away.
... 7 points of damage!
Blow grazes your right leg.
You suddenly feel the essence surrounding you shift and writhe chaotically!
You feel a slight tingling as the shimmering field fades away.
... 25 points of damage!
Heavy jolt to chest causes solar plexus to explode. Remarkable display of spraying blood.
You suddenly feel the essence surrounding you shift and writhe chaotically!
The dim aura fades from around you.
... 20 points of damage!
Intense arc of energy flays your arm to the bone!
You suddenly feel the essence surrounding you shift and writhe chaotically!
You feel your extra strength departing.
... 25 points of damage!
You stagger as the icy attack shatters your right leg.
You are knocked to the ground!
You suddenly feel the essence surrounding you shift and writhe chaotically!
You return to normal color.
... 5 points of damage!
Strike glances off your chest.
You suddenly feel the essence surrounding you shift and writhe chaotically!
You feel the aura of confidence leave you.
... 10 points of damage!
Light strike to your chest.
You suddenly feel the essence surrounding you shift and writhe chaotically!
The shimmering multicolored sphere fades from around you.
... 15 points of damage!
Dazzling arc of energy traces blackened path across your back!
>[stand]>stance off
Your group status is now open.
>[stand]>stand
You are still stunned.
>You are still stunned.
[stand]>stand
Your group status is now closed.
You stand back up.
>[stand]>stance defensive
You are now in a defensive stance.
>;burst_c

[burst_calc: * burst factor of 3.5]

Outside spells: [204, 207, 211, 313, 503, 508, 602, 606, 618, 911, 913, 1616]

Limit: 99.50
Current: 107.00

You are OVER by 7.50 mana

Good times

In case you were wondering, my calculated bonuses (according to Lich) with all that stuff up was...

Totals: 15 bAS, -12 pAS, 455 bDS, 420 pDS, 135 elemTD, 140 spirTD, 142 sorcTD, 25 str, 40 dodge

[tallkris3]

Figured as good as any thread to post.

If you have enhanceives on that add to MIU, AS or HP ranks. Does this up the amount of mana you can wear for spell burst?

I'm guessing skill bonus wouldn't do you any good but ranks might.

[Drunken Durfin]

Somebody hack Simu already, this has gone on long enough.

[Gibreficul]

I'm guessing YES, enhansives SHOULD give you more burst ability, but I'd have to do some testing to be sure.