Well, here I am.

[Delias]

I have finally discovered what would drive someone to ask for advice about their personal life on the internet- all of my friends and relatives are either asleep, not online, or not answering their phones.

So here is the deal- I am coming to a crossroads in my life and I need to make some decisions. This, sadly, is where you anonymous strangers come in.

With the exception of a gap of about 8 or 9 months in... I want to say 2008, I have worked at the same place since 2004. During that time I have shown up to work early like it was a religion, stayed late whenever I had to, worked overtime whenever it was needed, taken probably a total of four weeks off in all that time, 2 weeks of it in 2005. I have worked every shift that there is to work, handled just about every situation that can possibly arise (except a murder/suicide), and handled nearly every aspect of paperwork at one point or another from payroll to... well, to really every god damn scrap of paper that the place produces. At least half of the spreadsheets they use, I designed. With those spreadsheets I put into practice probably a third of our policies governing how data is obtained and logged.

For my next trick, I have overhauled the entire way we do inventory- I have probably 25 hours or more into it, currently, at least half of which I did at home for no pay. I have done all of this in addition to my normal work, which I am exceedingly good at. Granted, my work isn't really all that complex, but I am generally acknowledged by my boss and fellow employees to be the best at it.

In all this time I have gotten a total of two raises, the first was after my first year and the second did not occur until after I had to go back to third shift- I essentially demanded it. Then, after I went back to days, I was only able to keep my current pay rate by forgoing the commission I would normally make on sales... which I accepted, even though I am as previously stated, awesome.

My company is fairly stagnant in that most of management has been management for quite some time, and nobody at the corporate office has changed since our creation in 72 except for our accountants. For a long time, I did my job, and did it well just because it was my job. I knew (or assumed) that such stagnation at the top meant that it was just a job, and there was nowhere else to go in the company.

Well, I'll be 30 this summer. My wife is finishing school in June. I will be free to take classes if I so choose. I don't really want to feel like I wasted the last 8 years of my working life... so here are the things I am considering.

I could sit down with the head of the company, and ask point blank if there is anywhere in the company for me to go. She is kind of a bitch, and I don't think she likes me... but I can demonstrably prove that I really am an asset to the company. My record should speak for itself above her personal feelings towards me... but that being said, "should" is a lot different than "does".

I could take classes in hotel and hospitality management. Before I worked at this hotel, I did work as a short order cook and pretty much ran a bar kitchen many years ago. So I do have at least something of a background in it.

Ok so I guess it boils down to this:

Should I speak with the head of the company, should I take some classes and see if I can find something else, should I sit down with her and tell her I am planning to take some courses and see if that would be likely to help me advance, or should I combine them and take some classes, tell the head of the company where I stand and that I am taking said classes, and if she refuses to see the merit of me in a higher position, take my services elsewhere?

Or should I just keep my head down and figure out something else to do with my life? I really don't know. I am comfortable with my job, and I think I would enjoy it if I didn't feel so totally underutilized.

Wow, talk about tl;dr. I didn't mean to write a novel.

Fuck.

[Androidpk]

Take classes.

[Warriorbird]

Take classes.

[Tgo01]

Take classes.

[azim17]

quit job, bang mistress, buy corvette

[Delias]

Azim clearly has the right plan.

[Blazar]

quit job, bang mistress, buy corvette

This. Only instead of a mistress, go with hookers and blow. Much less needy than a mistress in the long run.

[Drew]

Tell management you want a promotion.

[Sylvan Dreams]

Take classes. Do not talk to the head of the company unless you're willing to walk away from the job shortly after. It sounds like your conversation wouldn't go pleasantly, you'd just get frustrated and angry.

[Stretch]

Your relationship and standing with your employer will change the moment you either ask for anything major, be it a raise, a promotion, or assistance with funding continuing education. If you're cool with the possibility that they say no, or that they say yes but then hold you to a much higher standard, by all means go for it. Just have a contingency plan ready.

For what it's worth, one thing I would advise is to go ahead and ask for something. I went through a phase back in 2008 where I felt very much under appreciated and under paid, what with my two whole years of experience out of college, and rather than have a conversation about it I just checked out for awhile from work. Stalled my career for at least a year for no real reason aside.

[TheEschaton]

I have finally discovered what would drive someone to ask for advice about their personal life on the internet- all of my friends and relatives are either asleep, not online, or not answering their phones.

So here is the deal- I am coming to a crossroads in my life and I need to make some decisions. This, sadly, is where you anonymous strangers come in.

With the exception of a gap of about 8 or 9 months in... I want to say 2008, I have worked at the same place since 2004. During that time I have shown up to work early like it was a religion, stayed late whenever I had to, worked overtime whenever it was needed, taken probably a total of four weeks off in all that time, 2 weeks of it in 2005. I have worked every shift that there is to work, handled just about every situation that can possibly arise (except a murder/suicide), and handled nearly every aspect of paperwork at one point or another from payroll to... well, to really every god damn scrap of paper that the place produces. At least half of the spreadsheets they use, I designed. With those spreadsheets I put into practice probably a third of our policies governing how data is obtained and logged.

For my next trick, I have overhauled the entire way we do inventory- I have probably 25 hours or more into it, currently, at least half of which I did at home for no pay. I have done all of this in addition to my normal work, which I am exceedingly good at. Granted, my work isn't really all that complex, but I am generally acknowledged by my boss and fellow employees to be the best at it.

In all this time I have gotten a total of two raises, the first was after my first year and the second did not occur until after I had to go back to third shift- I essentially demanded it. Then, after I went back to days, I was only able to keep my current pay rate by forgoing the commission I would normally make on sales... which I accepted, even though I am as previously stated, awesome.

My company is fairly stagnant in that most of management has been management for quite some time, and nobody at the corporate office has changed since our creation in 72 except for our accountants. For a long time, I did my job, and did it well just because it was my job. I knew (or assumed) that such stagnation at the top meant that it was just a job, and there was nowhere else to go in the company.

Well, I'll be 30 this summer. My wife is finishing school in June. I will be free to take classes if I so choose. I don't really want to feel like I wasted the last 8 years of my working life... so here are the things I am considering.

I could sit down with the head of the company, and ask point blank if there is anywhere in the company for me to go. She is kind of a bitch, and I don't think she likes me... but I can demonstrably prove that I really am an asset to the company. My record should speak for itself above her personal feelings towards me... but that being said, "should" is a lot different than "does".

I could take classes in hotel and hospitality management. Before I worked at this hotel, I did work as a short order cook and pretty much ran a bar kitchen many years ago. So I do have at least something of a background in it.

Ok so I guess it boils down to this:

Should I speak with the head of the company, should I take some classes and see if I can find something else, should I sit down with her and tell her I am planning to take some courses and see if that would be likely to help me advance, or should I combine them and take some classes, tell the head of the company where I stand and that I am taking said classes, and if she refuses to see the merit of me in a higher position, take my services elsewhere?

Or should I just keep my head down and figure out something else to do with my life? I really don't know. I am comfortable with my job, and I think I would enjoy it if I didn't feel so totally underutilized.

Wow, talk about tl;dr. I didn't mean to write a novel.

Fuck.

I meant to ask you, do you post on MMO-Champion under the handle Delias? If not, how the fuck is there another one of you? Is the name from something?

[Warriorbird]

I meant to ask you, do you post on MMO-Champion under the handle Delias? If not, how the fuck is there another one of you? Is the name from something?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DELiA*s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delias

[TheEschaton]

I don't know which is worse, the genus of butterflies, or the clothing brand aimed at 13 year old girls.

[Bhaalizmo]

You should take classes, seek employment elsewhere, AND talk to management. If you know your value to the company explain it in detail to them and ask for the raise you feel you deserve. Squeaky wheel gets the grease.

[SHAFT]

What company and what type of business?

[SHAFT]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DELiA*s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delias

Awww Delias is a pretty butterfly. Makes sense.

[Allereli]

do you have a human resources dept? Occasionally companies will utilize their departments for more than just payroll and there might be someone to talk to there about continued employment or potential opportunities, which is easier than going to the head of the company. Unfortunately, your workplace sounds stuffy.

[Delias]

My job is actually pretty laid back in terms of how people interact, for the most part. It's just that it's... well, it might be rude to say it is poorly run, but after the founder died in a plane crash, it has been poorly run. The current head of the company was his wife and not really part of the real business part of running the company.

It's a hotel, kinda. It's technically a private club, a sort of specialized romantic getaway for couples. (no, not swingers, no groups. couples only.)

Also, Delias, when I first made the character to me was "Elias" but starting with a D. I found out about Delia's afterward, much to my chagrin. I didn't know about the butterflies, I feel even gayer now though, thank you.

Edit: I don't play MMO's anymore, and if I had to pick one to be, I pick this one- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delias_harpalyce

[4a6c1]

One more vote for classes.

[Delias]

I appreciate the input, everyone. (Especially about the hookers and blow, that really helped me come to a decision.) My wife is done with school in june, which should free up some of my time (from child-watching) to get some schooling at least started. Maybe I will take a middle path and tell my direct manager that I'm going to take said classes and see if that sparks anything at all.

[Rallorick]

You're in a rough industry, hotels are notoriously cheap on op. costs. The only money is at the top, and those people generally aren't going anywhere.

I'd say take classes, for sure. Career pathing is the only long term fix.

[Kuyuk]

I'm curious on your current pay, and what you expect out of taking classes?


As a manager, if an employee came to me with the story the same way you did in your OP, I probably wouldn't give them too much.


If an employee came with me with data, and solutions, I would be much more inclined to do something.

Give them a timeline of your history with the account, detail each thing you did for the company, and how much money you saved/revenue increased. If you can't prove that you've done either of those two things, then don't bother asking for too much, IMO.

Being good at something, doesn't mean that something is worth a terribly large amount of money.

If I was the best drive through cashier at McDonalds corporate wide, they'd still only pay me 8.30 an hour and replace me at the drop of a hat. Same thing applies. If you are an accountant, and make 35k, they can easily find a new younger model that will work the same way you do (young, aggressive to show improvement, desires advancement, etc) to start at 30k, and work them for two years and get them up to 35k, and then stall them out, rinse and repeat.

You have cooking skills - great, but don't expect shit for pay for cooks, or for most management positions in the culinary field.

[Gelston]

I was expecting "Turn the Page".

[Parkbandit]

Relax and play golf.

[Reltov420]

Classes sound like a good option, although, you could always put your 'choking gloves' on, and let em know you mean business. (classes is my real vote, they might even help you pay for 'em.) Or, if you aren't tied down by a family, you could always dirt bag around climbing areas for a few years, that usually helps me in times of trouble. (I recommend Zion or Yosemite)

[Celephais]

Just stop doing your job and see how long they pay you.
http://thepqnation.com/livingwicked/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/office_space.jpg

[Gweneivia]

Classes. I was in a similar situation, worked in a job where they didn't appreciate what I did. A few years ago they decided to close our branch and the local manager slated me as one of the first people to go. I didn't really mind as I'd just had my daughter and had basically planned on quitting and going back to school soon afterwards anyway.

A few people from corporate came down to learn my job. They ended up paying me a pretty fat chunk to stay an extra two months once they figured out that I hadn't actually been picking my ass the last five years, my job was complicated and technology to support it was (despite my requesting assistance in the area) slim to none.

It just reaffirmed that despite any efforts I had made, the regional manager had NO clue what it was that I did, how much was required to do it, or how good I had been at it. If they had stayed open and I had stayed, I never would have gotten anywhere there.

Also, increasing your education is just never a bad option.

[Buckwheet]

Take classes. One of my very good friends did the talk with upper management and it did not go well. He basically was told a day later that here is your 30 day severance and that they were glad they could help him in this time of turmoil.

He ended up getting a job that pays about 60% of what he was getting.

[AnticorRifling]

So you work the front desk at a Sybaris and it's not as fufilling as you'd hoped. Going to the boss will not end well. Take classes while you have a job (even if it's one you hate), then look for a job WHILE you have a job.

You've got a family right? Being happy is important but it is second to taking care of them. Don't do anything stupid that would put them at risk.

[Ryvicke]

Can I also just add to this advice: if you have vacation time you should use it. 4 weeks of vacation in 8 years is ridiculous. Unless it's paying out to you at the end of the year or something or you have some monster asshole boss who looks down at you for using it.

[Delarock]

If you lose your job... Government pays for classes. Just saying.

[AnticorRifling]

If you lose your job... Government pays for classes. Just saying.

If you lose your job != being fired. Just saying.

RiF'd yes, term'd no.

[Hulkein]

You need to ask for raises in any type of smaller company that doesn't have routinely scheduled reviews and promotions etc. Don't tell them you deserve a raise because you've been there x amount of years or you need money for y reason, tell them you deserve a raise because of (list the things you bring to the company that others don't, sounds like quite a bit). Good luck.

[Delias]

You have got be fucking kidding me. Fuck you, database error. Now I must retype everything... so here comes the shorter form.

Kuyuk: My current pay is essentially laughable, and yet still higher than everyone in the office, except management. I can compile data about my sales, money I've saved the company or helped it profit, and so on and so forth. That seems like sound advice, and I think I will do that just to have it even if I do nothing else with it.

I also could give a shit about the culinary field, so your turf is safe. I may be a great cook, but I am not a chef, and you really couldn't pay me to try and be one. I sweat way too much to enjoy being in kitchens. I only mentioned it at all because it is "hotel and hospitality".

Anyway, I have a lot of leeway in my job and I could just kick back and get paid, and honestly, I could get away with it. It is strange to me that I actually give a shit about what happens to the company, though... maybe it is just because I've been there a long while now. I don't know. All I know is that they could pay me the same if they gave me an opportunity to show what I can do there. To one degree or another, at one time or another, I have had a hand (or at least my fingertips) in pretty much every aspect of what our company does... including things well beyond my actual pay-grade, like marketing and accounting, design, really everything but signing checks.

I just want the chance to succeed or fail based on merit. That's what I want. Being at the top of the bottom is not for me anymore, and I believe I can show that my work has merits being moved to the bottom of the middle, hah!

Well, the captain would like to thank you all for riding the crytanic, but the ship is sinking. Find a fat person to use as a flotation device, and be sure to tip the waitstaff.

[Warriorbird]

You have got be fucking kidding me. Fuck you, database error. Now I must retype everything... so here comes the shorter form.

Kuyuk: My current pay is essentially laughable, and yet still higher than everyone in the office, except management. I can compile data about my sales, money I've saved the company or helped it profit, and so on and so forth. That seems like sound advice, and I think I will do that just to have it even if I do nothing else with it.

I also could give a shit about the culinary field, so your turf is safe. I may be a great cook, but I am not a chef, and you really couldn't pay me to try and be one. I sweat way too much to enjoy being in kitchens. I only mentioned it at all because it is "hotel and hospitality".

Anyway, I have a lot of leeway in my job and I could just kick back and get paid, and honestly, I could get away with it. It is strange to me that I actually give a shit about what happens to the company, though... maybe it is just because I've been there a long while now. I don't know. All I know is that they could pay me the same if they gave me an opportunity to show what I can do there. To one degree or another, at one time or another, I have had a hand (or at least my fingertips) in pretty much every aspect of what our company does... including things well beyond my actual pay-grade, like marketing and accounting, design, really everything but signing checks.

I just want the chance to succeed or fail based on merit. That's what I want. Being at the top of the bottom is not for me anymore, and I believe I can show that my work has merits being moved to the bottom of the middle, hah!

Well, the captain would like to thank you all for riding the crytanic, but the ship is sinking. Find a fat person to use as a flotation device, and be sure to tip the waitstaff.

Take classes.

[Delias]

So you work the front desk at a Sybaris and it's not as fufilling as you'd hoped. Going to the boss will not end well. Take classes while you have a job (even if it's one you hate), then look for a job WHILE you have a job.

You've got a family right? Being happy is important but it is second to taking care of them. Don't do anything stupid that would put them at risk.

I forgot to respond to you.

No, I went to work there 8 years ago, when a job was just a job and nothing more. I'm bored, basically, and I know I can do much more than I am being used for.

I think I should be safe talking it over with my direct boss (he is my friend, against my advice- I told him he would never be able to fire me if we became friends. Anyway...) he knows I aspire to more. Of course, who doesn't? In any event, I think it would only be risky going to our operations director.

Yeah yeah, should have stayed in school in the first place, then I could be bagging groceries like most of the people I know with their cute little bachelors degrees.

If school had been strictly test and essay based I would have done great, but no, they always want you to show up and do busy work. At least in highschool and my limited JC experience.

What it comes down to is that I am going to have to go back to school, and I am trying to decide if it is worth it to try and stay in the hotel industry... and if I can't advance where I already am, it may be worth it just to pursue something else.

[Warriorbird]

my limited JC experience

JC = for fundamentalists and Seany Digital.

[Delias]

JC = for fundamentalists and Seany Digital.

hah well junior college here is more like for people who will chronically attend one class at a time and work on their 15 year A.A.

[Warriorbird]

hah well junior college here is more like for people who will chronically attend one class at a time and work on their 15 year A.A.

And they make money off that. Try a place that's more focused on education.

[Delias]

And they make money off that. Try a place that's more focused on education.

That's ridiculous. They make no more than they would if people went straight through. Long term income sure, higher income no.

Plus, I have terrible academic records.

[Murkshev]

Test the market out. Make a resume and send it to a few hospitality based companies. If you get feedback from an interview or two, its something to help you decide to stay in this field or not. It will also give you an idea of what you should be getting being paid for the skills you have obtained in your past 8 years of work experience. If you line up a new job, then go ask for more to stay, within reason of course. If they won't give you a resonable increase that you both agree upon, then its time for a change of company.

Even if you go to school and further educate yourself, you are still going to have this problem of dealing with management. Unless you become a VP or something to that extent. It sucks that some companies don't pay much attention to the productivity and results that good employees provide. They only notice when you are gone.

[Celephais]

You have got be fucking kidding me. Fuck you, database error. Now I must retype everything... so here comes the shorter form.

Next time this happens try hitting the back button, at least in chrome it'll keep what you typed in the text box and you can try again. That or just leave the tab open and open a new one until the site works, then go back and refresh and select the "Re-submit data" button or whatever when it pops up. (not positive this second method works and that it gives you that button, but I know the back button does keep the form contents in chrome).

[Warriorbird]

That's ridiculous. They make no more than they would if people went straight through. Long term income sure, higher income no.

Plus, I have terrible academic records.

They make quite a bit, lately.

http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-10-948T

Get your records expunged. It's easy.

[poloneus]

I could sit down with the head of the company, and ask point blank if there is anywhere in the company for me to go. She is kind of a bitch, and I don't think she likes me... but I can demonstrably prove that I really am an asset to the company. My record should speak for itself above her personal feelings towards me... but that being said, "should" is a lot different than "does".


If the head of the company is female forget it. From my experiences, women that are in management positions take everything personal and make decisions that way too. Nothing is ever business. Doesn't matter if you're an asset.

[AnticorRifling]

How can you even read these boards all the way back there in the 1960s?

[SHAFT]

I own a business and we've had employees come to us with the attitude of "give me more or else I'm leaving" and we promptly told them they could leave and today is your last day.

If you approach management with a positive, hungry, just-want-to-do-more attitude, you'll get a lot further. Ultimatums never end well.

Before you speak with anyone I'd definitely have a backup plan in the way of another possible job or school.

[SHAFT]

If the head of the company is female forget it. From my experiences, women that are in management positions take everything personal and make decisions that way too. Nothing is ever business. Doesn't matter if you're an asset.

Agreed. Sorry ladies. If she's a real business minded pro that's one thing, but if the company went down after the head honcho passed away, sounds like she's not. Yeah, in my experience women aren't very good at running companies. They take shit personally and get emotional.

[WRoss]

Dude, just got to College of Dupage. It's one of the best community colleges in the nation. On top of that, you'll get a $1000 tax credit back for being old and in school. Basically, you can take all 3 semesters there for less than 2500.

[Warriorbird]

Dude, just got to College of Dupage. It's one of the best community colleges in the nation. On top of that, you'll get a $1000 tax credit back for being old and in school. Basically, you can take all 3 semesters there for less than 2500.

Much better choice.

[Celephais]

Dude, just got to College of Dupage. It's one of the best community colleges in the nation. On top of that, you'll get a $1000 tax credit back for being old and in school. Basically, you can take all 3 semesters there for less than 2500.

Can't tell if serious ...

I've signed up for mathematics of wonton burrito meals there.

[Delias]

Dude, just got to College of Dupage. It's one of the best community colleges in the nation. On top of that, you'll get a $1000 tax credit back for being old and in school. Basically, you can take all 3 semesters there for less than 2500.

That's likely what I will end up doing. Beth finished up at NC in june, so I'll probably look at shit for next fall.

[WRoss]

North Central? I go to the same college as your wife. Creepy.

Edit: Also, if you need help with COD, let me know. I still know a ton of people there.

[Rallorick]

sorry to hear about your friends who got their BA/S and ended up bagging groceries or whatever, but that's in no way statistically accurate as a result.

Personally, I only got a BA - and by the time I was your age, I was a financial controller. Granted, that was 8 years ago, and the economy was quite a bit friendly - and I'm sure that's no indication of statistical results either, just another perspective.

Yes, there's a lot of busy work in college - but a degree is not just indication of education, it's also an indication of discipline and seeing long term. Yeah, doing well on essays and exams is good, but are you able to suck it up and work through the grind? That's also important.

Again, you are in one of the worst industries in terms of operating costs. Hotels primarly spend all their free cash on capital projects and upgrades which they tie directly to ROI - everything else is loss against revenue. I think most even franchise in order to midigate their risk of bankrupcy damage, don't they? I mean, there's no win in that situation unless you're high on the food chain.

[Nieninque]

How can you even read these boards all the way back there in the 1960s?


I cant give you rep because I have a foreigner filter or something, but I would have given you a shit ton for that post. Sadly I cant do it in private, so I shall have to shamefully do it in public.
I fucking love you.

[AnticorRifling]

You're the foreigner, everyone knows the internet belongs to America.

[Archigeek]

Don't take classes till you know where you want to end up. "take classes" doesn't mean anything until YOU know what type of work you want to do. Otherwise you're going to end up feeling listless at school instead of at work.

So if you want to stay in hospitality, come up with a plan and then figure out what you need to do to work the plan. If you want out of that business, decide on a new career first, and then go after it like a pit bull.

[Nieninque]

You're the foreigner, everyone knows the internet belongs to America.

You are speaking English because I am lending it to you. As I am English the language belongs to me and that makes you the foreigner. Damn Septics.

[Latrinsorm]

Rock you like a hurricane!!!

[Rallorick]

can you stop lending us your muffins?

They are terrible... and I don't think they are technically a muffin.

[AnticorRifling]

You are speaking English because I am lending it to you. As I am English the language belongs to me and that makes you the foreigner. Damn Septics.

We took it, made it better, and we allow you to continue the usage of the old version because your weather sucks and your lack of oil bores us.

[AnticorRifling]

Rock you like a hurricane!!!

Everytime I click the thread I sing that, glad I'm not alone.

[Warriorbird]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6XGp4scqqp8/Tea7y7rWMTI/AAAAAAAACC4/DzNKO8AwGQY/s1600/492px-Theodore_Roosevelt_laughing.jpg

He's LOLing at "Your language."

He saved us from it. American hero for all time.

[Keller]

You are speaking English because I am lending it to you. As I am English the language belongs to me and that makes you the foreigner. Damn Septics.

We took your bourgeois language, along with our country, when we kicked you lobsterbacks across the Atlantic 250 years ago.

Fucking limeys.

[WRoss]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6XGp4scqqp8/Tea7y7rWMTI/AAAAAAAACC4/DzNKO8AwGQY/s1600/492px-Theodore_Roosevelt_laughing.jpg

He's LOLing at "Your language."

He saved us from it. American hero for all time.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/wilson/images/home/wilson_pic.jpg

And this guy almost fucked it all up again.

[Rallorick]

mister peanut?

[Latrinsorm]

Those are some fake-ass teeth.

[Warriorbird]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/wilson/images/home/wilson_pic.jpg

And this guy almost fucked it all up again.

Yep!

[Nieninque]

This thread is now officially derailed and you fuckers are all SPAMs

[Keller]

This thread is now officially derailed and you fuckers are all SPAMs

USA! USA! USA!

http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/pictures/hacksaw4.jpg

As an aside, while I was searching for appropriate patriotic pictures, I found a picture of Anticor's dog.

http://www.funnypetstorys.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/patriotic-dog.bmp

[SHAFT]

Figured I'd get red rep for the women running companies comment. That's ok, just going off of my own experiences. The red rep helped prove my point though.

[Latrinsorm]

We have two too many threads suddenly devoted to jingoistic professional wrestlers.

[Nieninque]

Figured I'd get red rep for the women running companies comment. That's ok, just going off of my own experiences. The red rep helped prove my point though.

Only if your point was how much people think you are a turd.

[BriarFox]

I don't think it's fair to essentialize personal experiences to the entire female gender, but one can certainly say, validly, that in one's experience, female bosses have taken things more emotionally than male bosses, and project that such might be generally true.

[Delias]

The update: I spoke to my direct boss and went over what I had been thinking with him. He seemed uhm... ecstatic that I actually gave a shit about the company and such. In any event, he has decided to (without being able to promise anything, of course) train me for management and have me sit in on meetings and shit like that. He to get together all of the evidence of my awesomeness that people here said I should gather, basically, and push the corporate office to recognize my ability.

So, essentially I am being trained for management in the event that corporate will consent to put me in that position... my boss seems to think that with a few months of demonstrating my work and pushing them to notice it, that a spot just might open up at one of our locations.

So, it's nothing like a guarantee, but I think it's a really good start.

I do appreciate everyone's advice, but in the end I just couldn't be anything but honest about my goals and intentions.

Also, Wross, I am aware. Every time I am on campus I start to worry that I will see you and we will have to fight to the death.

[Tisket]

Agreed. Sorry ladies. If she's a real business minded pro that's one thing, but if the company went down after the head honcho passed away, sounds like she's not. Yeah, in my experience women aren't very good at running companies. They take shit personally and get emotional.

You know, I've got quite a dilemma here. I want to assail your intelligence, but I can't narrow it down to the perfect word to use to describe you. There are so many that fit.

So I turned to Google for help. It seems that modern classification systems for retardation have broadened in recent decades. Instead of the all-purpose terms imbecile, idiot, and of course, moron (a personal favorite of mine), that would normally be used to describe what afflicts you, now the supposedley less offensive terms would be mild, moderate, severe, and profound retardation.

So now, in order to properly, and scientifically classify you, I have to choose a level of mental intelligence to label you. I want to be politically correct but also honest and of course, unemotional in my assessment. So I settled on a term that I think fits you perfectly and still satisfies my desire to be as precise as possible:

Intellectually disabled.

How's that?

[SHAFT]

The update: I spoke to my direct boss and went over what I had been thinking with him. He seemed uhm... ecstatic that I actually gave a shit about the company and such. In any event, he has decided to (without being able to promise anything, of course) train me for management and have me sit in on meetings and shit like that. He to get together all of the evidence of my awesomeness that people here said I should gather, basically, and push the corporate office to recognize my ability.

So, essentially I am being trained for management in the event that corporate will consent to put me in that position... my boss seems to think that with a few months of demonstrating my work and pushing them to notice it, that a spot just might open up at one of our locations.

So, it's nothing like a guarantee, but I think it's a really good start.

I do appreciate everyone's advice, but in the end I just couldn't be anything but honest about my goals and intentions.

Also, Wross, I am aware. Every time I am on campus I start to worry that I will see you and we will have to fight to the death.

Cheers man, sounds like it went as well as it could.

[4a6c1]

Shaft reminds me of this dude I work with. Everytime anyone tells him what to do he gets pissy but if his boss, a woman, tells him what to do his face gets red and he mumbles to himself (quite possibly about the end of the world) for at least the next fifteen minutes.

THAT THAR BEACH THANK SHE ALL HAY AND MAYTAY.

[SHAFT]

You know, I've got quite a dilemma here. I want to assail your intelligence, but I can't narrow it down to the perfect word to use to describe you. There are so many that fit.

So I turned to Google for help. It seems that modern classification systems for retardation have broadened in recent decades. Instead of the all-purpose terms imbecile, idiot, and of course, moron (a personal favorite of mine), that would normally be used to describe what afflicts you, now the supposedley less offensive terms would be mild, moderate, severe, and profound retardation.

So now, in order to properly, and scientifically classify you, I have to choose a level of mental intelligence to label you. I want to be politically correct but also honest and of course, unemotional in my assessment. So I settled on a term that I think fits you perfectly and still satisfies my desire to be as precise as possible:

Intellectually disabled.

How's that?

Instead of pretending to be intelligent, send Celephais more boob photos. Oh, and get in the kitchen and make your husband a sandwich. Don't forget to ask if he wants a beer.

[Tisket]

Instead of pretending to be intelligent, send Celephais more boob photos. Oh, and get in the kitchen and make your husband a sandwich. Don't forget to ask if he wants a beer.

What do you consider faux intelligence anyway. Just curious. Is it big words? It's okay, don't let them frighten you.

And my husband makes better sandwiches than I do.

[Delias]

What do you consider faux intelligence anyway. Just curious. Is it big words? It's okay, don't let them frighten you.

And my husband makes better sandwiches than I do.

Wherever you gonna go the best cooks gonna be men. On mars the best cooks'll be men, fgeddaboutit.

[Tisket]

Wherever you gonna go the best cooks gonna be men. On mars the best cooks'll be men, fgeddaboutit.

My personal experience of the subject makes me agree with your assessment.

[SHAFT]

Not.....going...to argue.....with strangers.....on the.....interwebz........

I did it! I think I'll have myself a beer!

[Tisket]

Figured I'd get red rep for the women running companies comment. That's ok, just going off of my own experiences. The red rep helped prove my point though.

I just want to come clean here. I made a deal with Kranar and he overrode the regular restrictions for repping. That's right...every piece of red rep you've ever gotten is from me. I sometimes sign other people's names just to fuck with you, but it's me. Count on it.

[Warriorbird]

I just want to come clean here. I made a deal with Kranar and he overrode the regular restrictions for repping. That's right...every piece of red rep you've ever gotten is from me. I sometimes sign other people's names just to fuck with you, but it's me. Count on it.

It's the Repture!

The End Times Draweth Nigh!

[WRoss]

The update: I spoke to my direct boss and went over what I had been thinking with him. He seemed uhm... ecstatic that I actually gave a shit about the company and such. In any event, he has decided to (without being able to promise anything, of course) train me for management and have me sit in on meetings and shit like that. He to get together all of the evidence of my awesomeness that people here said I should gather, basically, and push the corporate office to recognize my ability.

So, essentially I am being trained for management in the event that corporate will consent to put me in that position... my boss seems to think that with a few months of demonstrating my work and pushing them to notice it, that a spot just might open up at one of our locations.

So, it's nothing like a guarantee, but I think it's a really good start.

I do appreciate everyone's advice, but in the end I just couldn't be anything but honest about my goals and intentions.

Also, Wross, I am aware. Every time I am on campus I start to worry that I will see you and we will have to fight to the death.

You do realize that I live right next to LAC. Also, I think I saw you at chik-fil-a by fox valley this week. I didn't want to just walk up to some random person and ask, "Are you Delias?" But yeah, I'd still say that you should take some classes at COD. Especially if you get the $1000 back from the gov't. It might even be more if you have kids. I had a great experience there and I have NC fully (all 30k) paid for for my undergrad and they are likely going to pay for most, if not all, of my masters.

[Bhaalizmo]

The update: I spoke to my direct boss and went over what I had been thinking with him. He seemed uhm... ecstatic that I actually gave a shit about the company and such. In any event, he has decided to (without being able to promise anything, of course) train me for management and have me sit in on meetings and shit like that. He to get together all of the evidence of my awesomeness that people here said I should gather, basically, and push the corporate office to recognize my ability.

So, essentially I am being trained for management in the event that corporate will consent to put me in that position... my boss seems to think that with a few months of demonstrating my work and pushing them to notice it, that a spot just might open up at one of our locations

Too many people take this as a sign of acceptance from their employer and a sign that they can then get lazy. Do not allow this aparrent minor victory to make you compacent. Continue to job hunt. Take classes. If nothing else both of these activities can be used as leverage to ensure a raise.

[Liagala]

I just want to come clean here. I made a deal with Kranar and he overrode the regular restrictions for repping. That's right...every piece of red rep you've ever gotten is from me. I sometimes sign other people's names just to fuck with you, but it's me. Count on it.
What exactly did Kranar get out of the deal? Because I'm pretty sure Anticor's going to want in on it in order to allow it to continue.

[Tisket]

What exactly did Kranar get out of the deal? Because I'm pretty sure Anticor's going to want in on it in order to allow it to continue.

I had to sign a nondisclosure agreement.

[Delias]

You do realize that I live right next to LAC. Also, I think I saw you at chik-fil-a by fox valley this week. I didn't want to just walk up to some random person and ask, "Are you Delias?" But yeah, I'd still say that you should take some classes at COD. Especially if you get the $1000 back from the gov't. It might even be more if you have kids. I had a great experience there and I have NC fully (all 30k) paid for for my undergrad and they are likely going to pay for most, if not all, of my masters.

A good thing you didn't- I've never been to a chik-fil-a in my life. Also, I am not in the habit of responding to Delias, so use Rob or Bob if you are ever forced to guess, hah.

That's pretty awesome. I think NC gave my wife like 20 a year in scholarships and what not.

[4a6c1]

Somehow RobBob seems like a perfect name for Delias.

[WRoss]

Somehow RobBob seems like a perfect name for Delias.

It should be his new title. Also, RobBob, if you are in the area and want to get lunch, I can put you in contact with some people in the finance department so they can at least give you some options for school.

[msconstrew]

Figured I'd get red rep for the women running companies comment. That's ok, just going off of my own experiences. The red rep helped prove my point though.

The red rep only proved someone didn't like what you said. It didn't prove a woman left it. And before you ask, no it wasn't me. I considered responding to it, but just figured that any response would automatically be seen as "emotional" and therefore automatically invalid.

[Delias]

It should be his new title. Also, RobBob, if you are in the area and want to get lunch, I can put you in contact with some people in the finance department so they can at least give you some options for school.

I appreciate the offer, and may take you up on it. Also, that title is remarkably more polite than I normally expect to be graced with.

[SHAFT]

The red rep only proved someone didn't like what you said. It didn't prove a woman left it. And before you ask, no it wasn't me. I considered responding to it, but just figured that any response would automatically be seen as "emotional" and therefore automatically invalid.

It had a womanly tone to it and they used the word peach.

Hey I love women! Keep doin what you're doin

[Nieninque]

You know, I've got quite a dilemma here. I want to assail your intelligence, but I can't narrow it down to the perfect word to use to describe you. There are so many that fit.

So I turned to Google for help. It seems that modern classification systems for retardation have broadened in recent decades. Instead of the all-purpose terms imbecile, idiot, and of course, moron (a personal favorite of mine), that would normally be used to describe what afflicts you, now the supposedley less offensive terms would be mild, moderate, severe, and profound retardation.

So now, in order to properly, and scientifically classify you, I have to choose a level of mental intelligence to label you. I want to be politically correct but also honest and of course, unemotional in my assessment. So I settled on a term that I think fits you perfectly and still satisfies my desire to be as precise as possible:

Intellectually disabled.

How's that?

Menk!
That works.

[4a6c1]

It had a womanly tone to it and they used the word peach.

Hey I love women! Keep doin what you're doin

You should probably go on a little bit more, non-emotionally!!, about how women are too emotional.

[Divinity]

Take classes while working, if possible.

Also, working kitchen-side in a hotel is vastly different than hotel management.. it's just a kitchen/bar.

[Bhaalizmo]

You should probably go on a little bit more, non-emotionally!!, about how women are too emotional.

Bishes crayzeh

[4a6c1]

4 srs

[SHAFT]

You should probably go on a little bit more, non-emotionally!!, about how women are too emotional.

No

[4a6c1]

QQ?

[SHAFT]

QQ?

None here. I'm trying to live an argue-on-the-Internet-free way of life. I'm actually thinking of becoming a buddhist.

Peace and love

[4a6c1]

I understand. What you really ment to say was: Is that you John Wayne? Is this me?

[AnticorRifling]

How does it help prove your point?

I see just as much "emotionally driven" red rep from guys on these boards as I do from gals.

My last 3 bosses have been females and I don't really recall any emotional attachment to business decisions. If they're business oriented they pull the trigger, just like a guy does. And if they aren't then they flounder and posture and get emotion, just like a guy that's not cut out for management.

[AnticorRifling]

As an aside, while I was searching for appropriate patriotic pictures, I found a picture of Anticor's dog.

http://www.funnypetstorys.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/patriotic-dog.bmp

That is pretty much awesome.

[Delias]

How does it help prove your point?

I see just as much "emotionally driven" red rep from guys on these boards as I do from gals.

My last 3 bosses have been females and I don't really recall any emotional attachment to business decisions. If they're business oriented they pull the trigger, just like a guy does. And if they aren't then they flounder and posture and get emotion, just like a guy that's not cut out for management.

This. Incompetence does not discriminate.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I agree with a lot of the folks here... look for a job while you have one, don't burn any bridges. It doesn't sound like the current company you are in has upward mobility for you but it IS a paycheck... so keep getting that paycheck and get a degree or certifications, and find a better job.

Vin I think said something very true early on in this thread... if you open the door that says "I think I'm hot shit and you need to recognize." and they don't, you either need to leave, or accept your pay/job will not change. You can't close that door once you've opened it... so be careful there.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

If the head of the company is female forget it. From my experiences, women that are in management positions take everything personal and make decisions that way too. Nothing is ever business. Doesn't matter if you're an asset.

The best 3 direct managers of my life have all been women. I've had some great bosses who were men, but hands down, without question, the BEST have been women. I realize this isn't true for everyone, but certainly I'm not alone.

To lay down a blanket statement like that is just retarded.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Instead of pretending to be intelligent, send Celephais more boob photos. Oh, and get in the kitchen and make your husband a sandwich. Don't forget to ask if he wants a beer.

Listen, this isn't funny

And I don't mean in a, 'omg so rude to women!!' way, I mean that this tired series of "hurr durrr women!!" jokes referring to making sandwiches and getting in the kitchen isn't even mildly amusing. It's the woman-joke equivalent of "Why did the chicken cross the road?".

It's not a joke if a chuckle hasn't been had in relation to it since 1992. Get some new material, make a chuckle happen, dammit!

[Delias]

Listen, this isn't funny

And I don't mean in a, 'omg so rude to women!!' way, I mean that this tired series of "hurr durrr women!!" jokes referring to making sandwiches and getting in the kitchen isn't even mildly amusing. It's the woman-joke equivalent of "Why did the chicken cross the road?".

It's not a joke if a chuckle hasn't been had in relation to it since 1992. Get some new material, make a chuckle happen, dammit!

It all depends on the situation, the timing, and the delivery. If the joke is properly timed and delivered, you get a laugh AND a sammich.

[Parkbandit]

Listen, this isn't funny

And I don't mean in a, 'omg so rude to women!!' way, I mean that this tired series of "hurr durrr women!!" jokes referring to making sandwiches and getting in the kitchen isn't even mildly amusing. It's the woman-joke equivalent of "Why did the chicken cross the road?".

It's not a joke if a chuckle hasn't been had in relation to it since 1992. Get some new material, make a chuckle happen, dammit!

How did the woman get hit by a train?

Trick question, trains don't run through the kitchen.