Help with training?

[Delarock]

Trying to get my archer/picker straightened out. Can anyone help me?

(at level 18), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 90 20
Ranged Weapons.....................| 140 40
Physical Fitness...................| 140 40
Dodging............................| 140 40
Arcane Symbols.....................| 50 10
Harness Power......................| 45 9
Disarming Traps....................| 150 50
Picking Locks......................| 150 50
Perception.........................| 150 50
Climbing...........................| 25 5

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 4
(Use SKILLS BASE to display unmodified ranks and goals)

46 days remain until the annual FIXSKILLS is to be granted, on 05/20/2012.

Your 30 day migration period will begin when you choose to degrade a skill.

Further information can be found in the FAQs.
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Name: Race: Human Profession: Rogue (not shown)
Gender: Male Age: 0 Expr: 414748 Level: 18
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 87 (23) ... 87 (23)
Constitution (CON): 79 (14) ... 72 (11)
Dexterity (DEX): 86 (18) ... 86 (18)
Agility (AGI): 89 (19) ... 89 (19)
Discipline (DIS): 76 (13) ... 76 (13)
Aura (AUR): 62 (6) ... 62 (6)
Logic (LOG): 66 (13) ... 66 (13)
Intuition (INT): 61 (10) ... 61 (10)
Wisdom (WIS): 63 (6) ... 63 (6)
Influence (INF): 56 (3) ... 56 (3)
Mana: 29 Silver: 0

Level: 18 Deeds: 0
Experience: 414748 Death's Sting: Sharp
Exp. until next: 10252 Recent Deaths: 1
Mental TPs: 0 Fame: 192931
Physical TPs: 134 Mana: 29/29 max
(118 Phy converted to Mnt)

Don't need to go crazy with sniping from hiding. I'd really like to be able to take aimed shots, but I have no clue how to train this guy. Any help would be appreciated.

[DaCapn]

Don't need to go crazy with sniping from hiding. I'd really like to be able to take aimed shots, but I have no clue how to train this guy. Any help would be appreciated.

You've got a pretty optimal build already. Read "the art of the bow." If you need to free up some TPs at some point, keep in mind that ambush is not a factor for aiming in the open.

All you'll need to decide from here on out is how you want to grow the archer in terms of AU, spells, etc.

[Delarock]

Thanks. I'll be sure to check that out.

[Gibreficul]

Am I the only one that sees there's no ambush ranks in there?

[Gizmo]

Am I the only one that sees there's no ambush ranks in there?

Correct, but you also see no Hiding either. That and his perception is a little too high.

Sure this is a rogue? :P

You'll also want SOME CM eventually, such as mobility etc

[Wheelerm]

FWIW, I think you have enough arcane symbols, too. That amount should get you any scarab/glyphed box you'll run across.

You really should think about getting a few deeds, too. That sharp death sting is really affecting your CON stat

[Delarock]

>skill
Raziros (at level 20), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 96 22
Combat Maneuvers...................| 96 22
Ranged Weapons.....................| 144 44
Physical Fitness...................| 144 44
Dodging............................| 144 44
Arcane Symbols.....................| 50 10
Harness Power......................| 50 10
Disarming Traps....................| 150 50
Picking Locks......................| 150 50
Perception.........................| 152 52
Climbing...........................| 50 10
Swimming...........................| 50 10

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 4
(Use SKILLS BASE to display unmodified ranks and goals)

40 days remain until the annual FIXSKILLS is to be granted, on 05/20/2012.

Your 30 day migration period will begin when you choose to degrade a skill.

Further information can be found in the FAQs.
>exp
Level: 20 Deeds: 6
Experience: 491033 Death's Sting: None
Exp. until next: 25967 Recent Deaths: 5
Mental TPs: 0 Fame: 396050
Physical TPs: 34 Mana: 59/59 max
(158 Phy converted to Mnt)

Your mind is becoming numbed.

I got mixed answers about training in ambushing since I'm not one to hide.

Still looking for suggestions, have a fixskill to use.

[DaCapn]

If you're looking to burn your fixskills, you might try dropping disarm, picking, and perception to 2x and taking your armor use up to 40 (chain shirt). You'll still be able to pick all of your own boxes (and then some) and you'll be able to take shots a lot better in chain AG.

Also, what are your CMs? If you don't have combat mobility, you should fix that.


Am I the only one that sees there's no ambush ranks in there?

Hah, somehow I missed that (to the point of even saying he could sacrifice ambush ranks).

[Wheelerm]

My TWC ambushing Rogue is below. He picks fine at about 12 levels over his head, and knows a thing or two about removing limbs.

Ironically, I can get into GS the game at work and get this information for you, but I can't get to the skill manager, as it is blocked by websense. Since I can't get to the skill manager, I couldn't check to see how much it costs to do archery vs TWC...

This build was made through a lot of advice from people here, so I'm sure people can help you out.

Level: 31 Gender: Male Age: 127

Experience:
Experience: 1142761 Next level at: 1152000 exp. Exp. until next lvl: 9239
Fame: 1467623 Deeds: 6 Deaths this level: 0
Your mind is as clear as a bell.

Skills:
Skill Name | Current Current | Bonus Ranks
Two Weapon Combat..................| 166 66
Armor Use..........................| 122 31
Combat Maneuvers...................| 146 46
Edged Weapons......................| 162 62
Ambush.............................| 162 62
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 70 15
Physical Fitness...................| 140 40
Dodging............................| 164 64
Arcane Symbols.....................| 35 7
Magic Item Use.....................| 15 3
Harness Power......................| 15 3
Survival...........................| 74 16
Disarming Traps....................| 162 62
Picking Locks......................| 162 62
Stalking and Hiding................| 165 65
Perception.........................| 165 65
Climbing...........................| 70 15
Swimming...........................| 70 15
First Aid..........................| 58 12
Pickpocketing......................| 74 16
Training Points: 48 Phy 34 Mnt
(Use SKILLS BASE to display unmodified ranks and goals)

40 days remain until the annual FIXSKILLS is to be granted, on 05/20/2012.

Your 30 day migration period will begin when you choose to degrade a skill.

Further information can be found in the FAQs.

Stats: Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Constitution (CON): 70 (5) ... 70 (5)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (35) ... 100 (35)
Agility (AGL): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)
Discipline (DIS): 78 (4) ... 78 (4)
Aura (AUR): 77 (23) ... 77 (23)
Logic (LOG): 64 (7) ... 64 (7)
Intuition (INT): 65 (12) ... 65 (12)
Wisdom (WIS): 65 (12) ... 65 (12)
Influence (INF): 45 (-7) ... 45 (-7)

[Delarock]

I have no idea how you're managing that build. I unwound all my stuff and I can't get to that level of training. Maybe my stats are getting in the way.

I'd love to do TWC. I'm gonna give that a little thought.

Two questions:

How does ambush factor into ranged?

What's the deal with picking ranks needed to use vaalin picks? If I have less than 50 ranks, I won't be able to use them?

[Wheelerm]

TWC training with Locksmithing leaves the TPs tight. Here is the thread I started some time ago looking for similar help:

http://www.forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=60254&highlight=rolling+rogue

As you can see, opinions vary...I was actually glad people posted their TWC builds, as I could do the math to see what they were doing. I ended up doing my own thing based on what everyone else posted.

I finally got enough AU training that I can wear effectively Brig, which is where I'm stopping, so the AU points will go toward something else...

I don't know how ambushing factors into archery, as I have never been an archer, but I suspect that high training in ambushing will give you greater success at focused strikes like ambush right eye, or ambush left eye, etc.

Not sure about the Vaalin lockpick thing either? Maybe it's a softer metal that breaks too easy if you don't have enough training (effectively requiring a high end roll to open the lock and prevent breakage)? This is purely a guess on my part...

[Gibreficul]

Now that we've all had a round of replies....


PF = too high.
Perception = too high.

I kept PF at 1.5x

Perception never went over 2x. (Post cap, still sitting at 2x)

I did 1x hiding just in case I needed it. A small sacrifice of some of those OVERTRAINED skills will get that for you without a problem.

I still see ZERO ambush ranks. You need to read "THE ART OF THE BOW"

40 ranks in picking locks to use a Vaalin lockpick with full mod.

[Gizmo]

Level 20 TWC Rogue. Normally I'm a huge advocate of 2x CM and no picking since there are plenty of locksmithing rogues out there to pick my boxes for me, but having had pretty much all kinds of rogues be it 2x CM, TWC to Ranged, I thought I'd do something a little different than what I normally do. Below is what I came up with and it does me well, I just wish I had a bit more MTPs to work with as to raise my AS higher a bit faster then work on a little more HP and Lores.

Two Weapon Combat..................| 142 42
Armor Use..........................| 96 22
Combat Maneuvers...................| 96 22
Edged Weapons......................| 144 44
Ambush.............................| 142 42
Physical Fitness...................| 144 44
Dodging............................| 144 44
Arcane Symbols.....................| 25 5
Harness Power......................| 20 4
Survival...........................| 93 21
Disarming Traps....................| 144 44
Picking Locks......................| 142 42
Stalking and Hiding................| 142 42
Perception.........................| 142 42
Climbing...........................| 50 10
Swimming...........................| 25 5
First Aid..........................| 93 21

[DaCapn]

Gib, if he's goes full 2x ambush right now (at level 20), he'll spend 132/66 PTP/MTP and he won't even get one point of AS.


Read "the art of the bow."

Thanks. I'll be sure to check that out.

How does ambush factor into ranged?

You need to read "THE ART OF THE BOW"

Really, just read it. If you don't read it, at least use it as a reference. It is divided into sections and contains every known detail about ranged weapon mechanics. You can literally get the answer to your question faster than you can post your question. The answer is also more precise than some of the responses you've already gotten.

[Delarock]

I read it already, but I misunderstood the part about ambushing training adding to Ranged AS. My understanding was that it would only figure into AS from hiding, which I don't really intend on doing since my little rogue is just around to hunt with a friend of mine, so I have to lead a lot.

I don't see the point in training in it if I don't intend on training in it forever, especially since I'll need a lot of ranks for it to start adding to my AS and I won't be shooting while hidden. This is my rationale for leaving Ambushing and Stalk/Hide out of my training plan. If there's some sort of ancillary benefit to training in these things, I'd like to know.

[Gibreficul]

Ranged AS: DEX Bonus + Bow/Arrow Enchant (+50 max) + Ranged Skill + (((Ambush ranks – 40)/4) + ((Perception ranks – 40)/4)) + Spell effects (211, 215, Warcry, 1606, 425, etc.)

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