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[DoctorUnne]

surprised i didnt see a thread on this already

apparently peyton is so incredibly valuable and such a great qb he got cut.

all i know is no chance in hell that would ever happen with brady

[Latrinsorm]

If Brady was any kind of man he would have gotten a broken neck like Peyton instead of a sissy knee ligament injury. Broken in six places! It's a miracle he lived!

Also, you really don't think Belichick would cut Brady? Isn't that one of his things, making GM decisions regardless of sentiment/loyalty/etc.

[DoctorUnne]

I think theoretically he would, but I'm pretty confident Belichick will retire at the same time Brady does so I don't think he'll feel the need.

[WRoss]

I'm pretty sure if Brady has broken his neck like Peyton did, he'd be cut. I'm not even a fan nor do I hate either of them, just speaking from an objective stand point.

[AnticorRifling]

Business is business. I like Peyton and I think he's a great QB but he's not worth the cost when he's one sack from eating his food through a straw.

You can't equate a business decision to how well liked he is. The cut isn't performance based it's risk vs ROI. If you don't think this would happen to Brady you're lying to yourself.

[Atlanteax]

I figure Peyton to be going to either Miami or Denver (Tebow goes backup-development)

[Parkbandit]

Business is business. I like Peyton and I think he's a great QB but he's not worth the cost when he's one sack from eating his food through a straw.

You can't equate a business decision to how well liked he is. The cut isn't performance based it's risk vs ROI. If you don't think this would happen to Brady you're lying to yourself.

^This.

It has very little to do with ability and everything to do with a business decision. Even though Irsay said it had nothing to do with the money.. it had everything to do with the money and the perceived ability for Manning to get back to playing at his previous extremely high level.

[Parkbandit]

I figure Peyton to be going to either Miami or Denver (Tebow goes backup-development)

Include Seattle (no QB and tons of money to spend) and Washington (no QB and a very hands on owner who has a history of doling out the dough)

[Drew]

If I was Peyton I'd go to San Fran, best team in a weak division. I don't know why he'd want to come to Miami, sure they have some good players but what a tough division.

[Latrinsorm]

If I was Peyton I'd go to San Fran, best team in a weak division. I don't know why he'd want to come to Miami, sure they have some good players but what a tough division.New England is a good team, but we've seen that Brady can't beat a Manning when it really counts. Plus when he inevitably sustains his career ending injury, the beach! San Francisco is probably terrible for a paraplegic, all those hills and the cold winters.

[Keller]

I agree with the OP that NE wouldn't cut Brady.

Indianapolis is in rebuilding mode.

To rebuild, you need to get top draft picks.

Without Manning, the Colts are almost guaranteed a top 5 pick for the next 3 years.

Without Brady, the Patriots would still be a perennial playoff team.

There is no way NE would be in rebuilding mode with or without Brady. Might as well keep him, since he's better than a lot of other QBs out there.

[Archigeek]

^This.

It has very little to do with ability and everything to do with a business decision. Even though Irsay said it had nothing to do with the money.. it had everything to do with the money and the perceived ability for Manning to get back to playing at his previous extremely high level.

Exactly. It had a lot to do with that giant bonus check, I don't care what anyone says. They have to move on and they're positioned in the draft to do so.

As for where he might go, I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Vikings. They've got a couple of mediocre quarterbacks; no glimmer of greatness thusfar. Plus they have a history of bringing in QB's late in their careers, and an ownership that seems willing to pay big bucks to do so.

[Ryvicke]

As for where he might go, I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Vikings. They've got a couple of mediocre quarterbacks; no glimmer of greatness thusfar. Plus they have a history of bringing in QB's late in their careers, and an ownership that seems willing to pay big bucks to do so.

Hey! Don't mention the Vikings. I know we see eye to eye on all Minnesota Twins matters (total rebound year coming, I can feel it!) My Wisconsin roots keep me from giving any well-wishes to the queens.

Seriously though why are the Vikings not being mentioned? Are they just not even trying? Or one of the teams that is keeping their interest private? Most of my friends are Vikings fans and they are going apeshit about this.

[AnticorRifling]

Don't forget we're also losing Saturday and Wayne. It's going to be a few years before we're back in contention....hopefuly 2-5 and not 15-20.

[Drew]

Don't forget we're also losing Saturday and Wayne. It's going to be a few years before we're back in contention....hopefuly 2-5 and not 15-20.

The fact that you get to replace your franchise immediately with another is totally unfair. The Dolphins have been in the wilderness since Marino left in 98. At least you guys didn't keep Elway, you would have been Elway-Manning-Luck then.

[AnticorRifling]

Manning won a super bowl, that's why. LACES OUT DAN!

[SHAFT]

Manning to Denver according to espn

[Drew]

Not strictly Manning related but I hate the Dolphins so much. Also I didn't renew my season tickets.

[SHAFT]

Not strictly Manning related but I hate the Dolphins so much. Also I didn't renew my season tickets.

The dolphins might have Alex smith, Matt Moore, or Tim tebow as their qb. I wouldn't pay to watch them either. They're the worst team in the afc east on paper

[Rinualdo]

Prediction: Tim Tebow to Jacksonville

[SHAFT]

Prediction: Tim Tebow to Jacksonville

That'd be crazy if they did go after him. They just signed chad henne and they got the guy they drafted last year from mizzou.

I bet Miami makes a play for tebow. The owner loves stars and I'm sure the dolphins fans would embrace him. I'd rather have Matt Moore than tebow though

[DoctorUnne]

peyton's going to have a worse record for denver than tebow did and that will sully his reputation forever.

karma's a bitch

[WRoss]

Prediction: Tim Tebow to Jacksonville

It's where he should have been all along.

[Stabbyrogue]

Do you really believe that Brady is a better quarterback than a Manning? Either one, but especially Peyton. Brady has had a better team than either around him from the very start.

[SHAFT]

peyton's going to have a worse record for denver than tebow did and that will sully his reputation forever.

karma's a bitch

Why would Peyton Manning have bad karma? Just curious.

[Kuyuk]

He raped and killed a 10 year old back in 1991 or something I heard.


or something.

[Alfster]

Why would Peyton Manning have bad karma? Just curious.

Love or hate the Colts, but Peyton's always had a solid character. Can't say that about many in the NFL - but he certainly is.

Edited to add: After spygate, what has Brady done? Lost superbowls? Lawl.

[Latrinsorm]

I was thinking about this earlier, speaking of reputations and their sullying. A lot of seriously elite quarterbacks ended up gimping around with some random franchise at the end: Favre, Montana, even Johnny U. I don't think Peyton can really hurt his legacy at this point.

[WRoss]

I was thinking about this earlier, speaking of reputations and their sullying. A lot of seriously elite quarterbacks ended up gimping around with some random franchise at the end: Favre, Montana, even Johnny U. I don't think Peyton can really hurt his legacy at this point.

Warner did it at AZ, though they actually did pretty well.

[SHAFT]

He raped and killed a 10 year old back in 1991 or something I heard.


or something.

I heard he killed Nicole Brown Simpson

[Constal]

Tebow is going to be a dolphin

[Keller]

peyton's going to have a worse record for denver than tebow did and that will sully his reputation forever.

karma's a bitch

Putting aside this asinine prediction, didn't Brady have a worse record than Matt Cassel the year he came back?

Brady comes back to his own team, system, head coach, etc, and does worse than a collegiate and professional back-up quarterback.

[AnticorRifling]

Putting aside this asinine prediction, didn't Brady have a worse record than Matt Cassel the year he came back?

Brady comes back to his own team, system, head coach, etc, and does worse than a collegiate and professional back-up quarterback.

Don't you dare use facts to show flaws with Brady, NE fans will refuse to listen and HEEHAW on principle.

[SHAFT]

Manning will be a nice later round qb in fantasy drafts. Maybe someone will blow an early pick on him.

I'd be stoked to have demaryius Thomas as a wr2 too

[SHAFT]

Also, if I were the bronco's, id bring in Dallas Clark and Jacob tamme.

[Rinualdo]

Gah- Tebow going to the Jets.

[DoctorUnne]

Why would Peyton Manning have bad karma? Just curious.

He doesn't the Broncos do. But peyton will be the unfortunate beneficiary

[DoctorUnne]

Brady comes back to his own team, system, head coach, etc, and does worse than a collegiate and professional back-up quarterback.

Came back after a year of not being able to practice, a division other than the NFC west on the schedule, etc. Yeah

He won the MVP the next year. He won the MVP the year before too.

According to you Indianapolis has an inferior supporting cast. Well Denver has a much better coach, running game and defense. So Peyton should be able to mop up the Super Bowls now, if he's really a good QB. We'll see

[WRoss]

Did anyone else just see that the other Peyton just got royally fucked? Suspended for 1 year.

[AnticorRifling]

Came back after a year of not being able to practice, a division other than the NFC west on the schedule, etc. Yeah

He won the MVP the next year. He won the MVP the year before too.

According to you Indianapolis has an inferior supporting cast. Well Denver has a much better coach, running game and defense. So Peyton should be able to mop up the Super Bowls now, if he's really a good QB. We'll see


So really you've just got an unfounded hatred for manning supported by a blind man crush on brady. Got it.

[SHAFT]

Sean Payton gone for a year. They lose 2 2nd rounders and giant fines. Holy shit.

Also, good luck this year mark Sanchez. They gave him a 3 year 40m extension and then they bring in tebow??? The jets are the worst

[WRoss]

Sean Payton gone for a year. They lose 2 2nd rounders and giant fines. Holy shit.

Also, good luck this year mark Sanchez. They gave him a 3 year 40m extension and then they bring in tebow??? The jets are the worst

Sanchez likes virgins right? Him and Tebow should get along just swell.

[Keller]

Came back after a year of not being able to practice, a division other than the NFC west on the schedule, etc. Yeah

He won the MVP the next year. He won the MVP the year before too.

According to you Indianapolis has an inferior supporting cast. Well Denver has a much better coach, running game and defense. So Peyton should be able to mop up the Super Bowls now, if he's really a good QB. We'll see

Tom Brady was outperformed by a collegiate and professional back-up. Even if Tim Tebow outperforms Manning, Tebow won national championships, national awards, and a Heisman in college.

The argument is over for the best QB in the NFL is over. You can argue about the second best if you want. I think we've got some Packers and Saints fans around.

[tallkris3]

Sean Payton gone for a year. They lose 2 2nd rounders and giant fines. Holy shit.

That year is going to cost him over $7 Mill... Ouch

[WRoss]

He joins the curse of Naperville Central. Every professional athlete/coach that comes out of that high school fucks up big time.

[Latrinsorm]

Came back after a year of not being able to practice, a division other than the NFC west on the schedule, etc. Yeah

He won the MVP the next year. He won the MVP the year before too.

According to you Indianapolis has an inferior supporting cast. Well Denver has a much better coach, running game and defense. So Peyton should be able to mop up the Super Bowls now, if he's really a good QB. We'll seeDoes anyone really think a 36 year old can return to form after multiple neck surgeries? We are clearly in the twilight stage of Peyton's career, which should have no bearing on assessments of his previous performance. Gary Payton's time with the Sonics didn't suddenly become better when "he won" a title with the Heat, Hakeem's stint with the Raptors didn't change the fact that he was clearly the best center in the league while with the Rockets.

Regarding the Saints:

“We are all accountable and responsible for player health and safety and the integrity of the game,” Commissioner Roger Goodell said in the statement. “We will not tolerate conduct or a culture that undermines those priorities. No one is above the game or the rules that govern it. Respect for the game and the people who participate in it will not be compromised. A combination of elements made this matter particularly unusual and egregious. When there is targeting of players for injury and cash rewards over a three-year period, the involvement of the coaching staff, and three years of denials and willful disrespect of the rules, a strong and lasting message must be sent that such conduct is totally unacceptable and has no place in the game.”

He added: "There is definitely no hypocrisy in paying men millions of dollars to scramble each others' brains but being shocked and appalled by them making an additional $5000 for... scrambling each others' brains."

[SHAFT]

He doesn't the Broncos do. But peyton will be the unfortunate beneficiary

Every team in the NFL had a starting quarterback when the Manning sweepstakes began. No matter where he went he'd be replacing someone.

Not only do the Bronco's get a massive improvement in their QB, but now they're free of the circus that is Tebow-mania. John Elway is the happiest guy in Colorado right now.

I hope Tebow sits on a bench for the rest of his career. He set offensive football back in the NFL 30 years. He was HORRIBLE. I hated watching him play. He was offensively offensive.

[SHAFT]

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that the NFL has encountered "hangup language" that could nullify the Jets' trade for Tim Tebow.

Schefter doesn't have finite details, but the deal has not been approved by the NFL. Per Schefter, the Rams "could wind up getting back into play" if the trade is nixed. The Jaguars and Packers also had interest in Tebow. Stay tuned.

[TheEschaton]

I hope Tebow sits on a bench for the rest of his career. He set offensive football back in the NFL 30 years. He was HORRIBLE. I hated watching him play. He was offensively offensive.

Finally something we can agree on.

[SHAFT]

Finally something we can agree on.

Didn't realize we disagreed on anything. I'm glad we can agree though. Unity!

[AnticorRifling]

I hope he goes to the bills.

[TheEschaton]

Aren't you a Patriots fan? Cause that's kinda a big one that we disagree on.

[Parkbandit]

I hope he goes to the bills.

They certainly could use an upgrade at the QB position.

[TheEschaton]

Listen, our QUARTERBACK WENT TO HARVARD, HE'S SMARTER THAN ALL THE OTHER QBS AND THUS MUST BE BETTER.

[Latrinsorm]

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that the NFL has encountered "hangup language" that could nullify the Jets' trade for Tim Tebow.

Schefter doesn't have finite details, but the deal has not been approved by the NFL. Per Schefter, the Rams "could wind up getting back into play" if the trade is nixed. The Jaguars and Packers also had interest in Tebow. Stay tuned....wat?

[SHAFT]

I copied what rotoworld had up. Maybe their grammar cop is off today

[Ryvicke]

Tom Brady was outperformed by a collegiate and professional back-up. Even if Tim Tebow outperforms Manning, Tebow won national championships, national awards, and a Heisman in college.

The argument is over for the best QB in the NFL is over. You can argue about the second best if you want. I think we've got some Packers and Saints fans around.

Wait, I looked back and I can't quite figure out who you're arguing is the best QB in the league? I'm positive it can't be Peyton Manning, who is now and will forever be a nerve-fucked ragarm.

Aaron Rodgers is the correct answer.

[SHAFT]

Tom Brady >>>>>>> Matt cassel

I don't care that cassel finished with a better record than Brady one year. Brady also had a spaghetti knee. Matt cassel isnt going to be a starting qb after this year.

[SHAFT]

Tebow is officially a Jet. Apparently they got the BS solved. The Jags suck!

[DoctorUnne]

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8434708/the-numbers-never-lie-ravens-fueled-their-defense

Who actually has contributed far more wins than his defense's performance would have indicated over the past 20 years? You're never going to guess who comes up. In first place by a wide margin are Tom Brady and Peyton Manning! I know, stunning. Brady's slightly ahead, as his 159 starts between 2001 and 2011 resulted in 124 wins against an expectation of just 92.8 wins. That difference of 31.2 wins translates to 3.14 additional wins per 16 games, which is the highest figure for anybody over that time frame. Peyton is right behind him at 3.03 marginal wins per 16 games.

[Latrinsorm]

I was going to link that to stick it to Eschaton and other Bills fans (presumably they do exist)... but haven't they suffered enough?

[Parkbandit]

I just thought I would bump this thread for the lulz.

[DoctorUnne]

He's been amazing and has exceeded my expectations for sure. We'll see if he can keep it up for the rest of the season and into January. This is looking a lot like 2007 Brady and the Pats...

[Drew]

I just thought I would bump this thread for the lulz.

Excellent bump.

[SHAFT]

He's been amazing and has exceeded my expectations for sure. We'll see if he can keep it up for the rest of the season and into January. This is looking a lot like 2007 Brady and the Pats...

I'm thinking Peyton breaks the td mark of 50. The odds of the broncos winning the Super Bowl are slim though. Only 2 #1 seeds have won the sb in the last 13 years.

[Parkbandit]

Excellent bump.

If I really wanted to make DoctorUnne blow a gasket, I would point out that how well New England did without Tom Brady in 2007, verses how poorly Indianapolis did without Peyton Manning in 2011. Looks like the system was in place for the QB to excel (Matt Cassel anyone?) in New England.

[Parkbandit]

I'm thinking Peyton breaks the td mark of 50. The odds of the broncos winning the Super Bowl are slim though. Only 2 #1 seeds have won the sb in the last 13 years.

I hope he throws 10 TDs this weekend in Indy.

[AnticorRifling]

I hope Indy wakes up from that shit showing on Monday.

[Drew]

I hope Indy wakes up from that shit showing on Monday.

Your OC is a bozo. You have an amazing QB who can chuck the ball deep and run wild. So let's cage him in the pocket throwing dink and dunks to slot receivers.

[Latrinsorm]

If I really wanted to make DoctorUnne blow a gasket, I would point out that how well New England did without Tom Brady in 2007, verses how poorly Indianapolis did without Peyton Manning in 2011. Looks like the system was in place for the QB to excel (Matt Cassel anyone?) in New England.I'm almost positive he already addressed that in this very thread. I managed to sift through the 68 whole posts and find it (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?69929-P-E-Y&p=1392062#post1392062).

[Drew]

Your OC is a bozo. You have an amazing QB who can chuck the ball deep and run wild. So let's cage him in the pocket throwing dink and dunks to slot receivers.

To whoever gave me the rep on this post I don't understand the reference. Sorry.

[Parkbandit]

Your OC is a bozo. You have an amazing QB who can chuck the ball deep and run wild. So let's cage him in the pocket throwing dink and dunks to slot receivers.

That could have worked.. had the receivers actually caught the balls thrown to them...

[TheEschaton]

Despite not being a Buffalo Bill, I can't help but cheer for Peyton. The guy is just a likable dude, on top of being a winner.


Fuck Tom Brady, though. I replayed the press conference after he lost to Cincy last week multiple times to laugh at his Evian tears.

[Parkbandit]

Despite not being a Buffalo Bill, I can't help but cheer for Peyton. The guy is just a likable dude, on top of being a winner.


Fuck Tom Brady, though. I replayed the press conference after he lost to Cincy last week multiple times to laugh at his Evian tears.

I've talked to a couple of people that went to college with Peyton.. I guess the consensus is that he really isn't a likable dude.

He sure doesn't come across that way in interviews.. but then again, neither does Warren Sapp and I can assure you, he's a certifiable, grade A, Prime asshole.

[ZeP]

There was the sexual harassment thing... (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/colts/2003-11-04-manning-suit_x.htm)

[AnticorRifling]

Your OC is a bozo. You have an amazing QB who can chuck the ball deep and run wild. So let's cage him in the pocket throwing dink and dunks to slot receivers.

Yeah I was not happy with that play calling at all.

[Latrinsorm]

I've talked to a couple of people that went to college with Peyton.. I guess the consensus is that he really isn't a likable dude.I'm a little skeptical of this for two reasons: One, Peyton was 19 at the time. People change. Two, finding two people who dislike him isn't terribly compelling when who knows how many thousands of people have crossed paths with him.

And if bringing a suit against a rich person is all it took to declare someone unlikable, just about every rich person in America would be. Wait... Backlash was right all along!! [EXPLETIVE] THE RICH!

[Gibreficul]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a373/drummergrl1310/Funny/bradyManningBrady.jpg

[Latrinsorm]

...what?

I mean... ...what?

[DoctorUnne]

Parkbandit is an idiot when it comes to football. Here are a few links.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2012
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2010
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2009
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2007

That's every year since 2007 up until this year in which both QBs have played that Brady > Manning in the best football stats available, DYAR and DVOA. Or you could look at W-L record and see the same result. And by the way, since I'm sure most of you don't know this, Cassel led the Chiefs to a division title and threw 27 TDs to 7 picks in 2010.

To be sure Manning is outplaying Brady by a mile this year. It's tough when you lose your six best receivers all at the same time (Gronk, Welker, Hernandez, Lloyd, Woodhead, Vereen). I expect Brady to play better now that Gronk is back.

[Parkbandit]

Parkbandit is an idiot when it comes to football. Here are a few links.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2012
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2010
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2009
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2007

That's every year since 2007 up until this year in which both QBs have played that Brady > Manning in the best football stats available, DYAR and DVOA. Or you could look at W-L record and see the same result. And by the way, since I'm sure most of you don't know this, Cassel led the Chiefs to a division title and threw 27 TDs to 7 picks in 2010.

To be sure Manning is outplaying Brady by a mile this year. It's tough when you lose your six best receivers all at the same time (Gronk, Welker, Hernandez, Lloyd, Woodhead, Vereen). I expect Brady to play better now that Gronk is back.

LOL

What a homer.

[AnticorRifling]

I expect Brady to play better now that Gronk is back. The Jets say "Sup".

[AnticorRifling]

Also the Colts game last night was pretty insane. By far the loudest game I've ever attended. Peyton couldn't get a call off because it was so loud.

[DoctorUnne]

LOL

What a homer.

Do you think he is not a first ballot Hall of Famer? I'll bet you any amount of money you want on that. I'm not sure what you're trying to say about Brady. If you're just saying he's not as good as Manning, I can respect that opinion. Over their entire career we'll agree to disagree, but this year obviously Manning is better. If you're saying he's not a top-10 all-time QB, then if you won't look at stats or wins then I could point you to any number of respected analysts who aren't homers and who disagree. Perhaps you're just as much of a hater as I am a homer.

We'll probably never know how Brady would do on another team so it's pointless to argue that. I already made your point on Cassel look silly. And if you're just trolling, well then congrats.

[Atlanteax]

Peyton Manning would undoubtedly have a far better playoffs record had he had teams with legit defenses.

The Broncos D was embarrassingly bad against the Colts.

The Colts were not known for their Defense during Manning's tenure either.

[DoctorUnne]

Brady now 10-4 vs. Manning

[JustDan]

Brady now 10-4 vs. Manning

Disclaimer: I'm a Pats homer all the way. I sit here in my grey Pats hoodie (no really... 22 fucking degrees this morning, and the office heater isn't what it used to be) as I type this.

Trying to choose between Peyton and Brady is almost the definition of splitting hairs. They're both amazing, with their own strengths and weaknesses, but easily first-ballot HOF entries, and top 10 all-time QBs. Some would argue higher than top 10, but I personally don't go that far. I think it would be awesome to see them retire together (but dread the inevitable "banter" in a few years when they're both on the CBS Kickoff show or whatever).

Who's better? I loved the quote from one of the "analysts" this week. "Who cares?" They're both among the very best to ever do what they do, for more than a decade now. Their supporting casts win or lose the games for them at this point. Manning didn't hesitate to call off that punt protector until the last second. Brady didn't cause the 20 MPH wind last night.

These guys are the best, plain and simple. Rodgers is fun to watch, Brees is a great one... Brady and Manning are 1 and 1a of this generation, and I try like hell to just enjoy it.

[Latrinsorm]

If Peyton was any kind of leader Woodyard would have pulled down that interception on Brady's last drive. That's why he's going to retire with 0 rings.

That's right. His body language is so bad they're going to take his ring away.

[JustDan]

If Peyton was any kind of leader Woodyard would have pulled down that interception on Brady's last drive. That's why he's going to retire with 0 rings.

That's right. His body language is so bad they're going to take his ring away.

I Lol'ed. He really does have the worst body language around. Not that Brady the angerball is a whole lot better. Did you see him sprint to argue the lack of a pass interference call? Fastest I've seen him move in 13 seasons...

[Parkbandit]

Denver Broncos QB Peyton Manning becomes the 1st player in NFL history with 13 4,000-yard passing seasons.

[Latrinsorm]

Something interesting I thought of today, what does it look like if we take the top two TD years for every quarterback? Top 10:

Peyton Manning - 100 (incl. this season)
Dan Marino - 92
Drew Brees - 89
Tom Brady - 89
Aaron Rodgers - 84
Brett Favre - 77
Kurt Warner - 77
Tony Romo - 77 (incl. this season)
Daunte Culpepper - 72
Steve Young - 71
Matt Stafford - 69 (eleventh but incl. this season)

Joe Montana - 59(!)
John Elway - 53(!)

[AnticorRifling]

Is this an example of quantity v quality since the top two have the fewest rings on the list?

[Latrinsorm]

Any coach can tell you that all three phases of the game are important.

Tom Brady with Adam Vinatieri: 3 rings
Tom Brady w/o: 0, 2 Super Bowl losses

Peyton Manning with Adam Vinatieri: 1 ring
Peyton Manning w/o: 0, 1 SB loss (remember he was hurt in 2009)

Dan Marino had Uwe van Schamann, and you wonder why he never won it all?

QED

[DoctorUnne]

Congrats to Manning on re-breaking the TD record. I find it interesting that everyone was all over the Pats running up the score in 2007 when this year no one thought twice about Manning airing it out late in the 4th quarter of a game against a 2-12 team when they were up three scores. The '07 Pats ran up the score earlier in the season but once they had home field locked up they let off the gas... Brady had 45 TDs through 13 games and only five in his last three. I get the argument that they wanted Manning to have the record in case he had the opportunity to sit week 17, but by that time (4th quarter) the Pats were blowing out the Ravens so you knew Manning was going to be playing this week.

I don't mind it that much, all of these passing records are going to get broken again soon at the rate the NFL is going, but the Patriots always have a double standard, probably due to Belichick and Spygate.

[RSR]

Denver was up 17 with 5:16 to play Sunday when Manning drove for the last touchdown. I don’t call that running up the score, because two scores and an onside kick, while highly unlikely, are certainly conceivable. The game you’re talking about in 2007—at least one of them—was New England up 38-0 early in the fourth quarter against Washington and Tom Brady throwing seven or eight passes on a drive to make it 45-0. I thought that was excessive. But if you think Denver should have grinded out a four- or five-minute drive to bleed the clock there instead of scoring, I understand. I think you could probably find a few examples of teams up by 17 with five or six minutes left in a game still trying to score. -Peter King, SI

Not even remotely to the same thing when it comes to 'running up the score to get the record.'

[Latrinsorm]

Everyone was all over the Pats because they were going for TDs on 4th down. The Broncos throw passes on 60% of their offensive plays, it's not surprising they would pass on any given one. Out of 16 plays over their last 3 drives, the Broncos ran 7 rushing plays, (barely) higher than the 6.4 their season averages would predict.

Also, the 2007 Patriots had a top-third defense and the 2013 Broncos have a bottom-third (specifics depending on how you rank these things).

It's not a double standard, it's two different contexts.

[Parkbandit]

Congrats to Manning on re-breaking the TD record. I find it interesting that everyone was all over the Pats running up the score in 2007 when this year no one thought twice about Manning airing it out late in the 4th quarter of a game against a 2-12 team when they were up three scores. The '07 Pats ran up the score earlier in the season but once they had home field locked up they let off the gas... Brady had 45 TDs through 13 games and only five in his last three. I get the argument that they wanted Manning to have the record in case he had the opportunity to sit week 17, but by that time (4th quarter) the Pats were blowing out the Ravens so you knew Manning was going to be playing this week.

I don't mind it that much, all of these passing records are going to get broken again soon at the rate the NFL is going, but the Patriots always have a double standard, probably due to Belichick and Spygate.

What a fucking homer.

How many NFL QB records does Brady now hold? He used to have 1 that I know of... and Manning broke it.

Hell, Bledsoe holds more NFL QB records than Brady does. Maybe we really should be asking which QB is the best.. Brady or Bledsoe.. because that seems to be closer.

[DoctorUnne]

What a fucking homer.

How many NFL QB records does Brady now hold? He used to have 1 that I know of... and Manning broke it.

What a fucking ignoramus when it comes to football.

Here are a few from the top of my head:

- Best TD/Int ratio in a season
- Most playoff wins
- Best completion % in a playoff game
- Best winning percentage ever
- Longest streak without an interception
- Best career DVOA
- Most consecutive completions in a Super Bowl
- Most Super Bowl appearances, championship game appearances and division titles
- Longest TD pass

Here are a few more conventional records where he's in the top three:

- Most passing yards in a season
- Most TDs in a season
- Highest QB rating in a season
- Highest points scored in a season (he has two separate seasons in the top five)
- Championship rings

[DoctorUnne]

Add most consecutive games with a TD pass where he's second behind Brees

[cwolff]

Peyton may lose total yards because they are reviewing a pass that looks like a lateral. Hate to see that happen but I don't think Peyton cares too much about the records. He needs another ring though.