Yeah Yeah I know

[Jenisi]

Ok I know i'm not supposed to be online, but i'm REALLY in a jam and I really need advice... Ok.. at my job.. I waitress.. and tonight, I had somone walk out without paying. It wasn't a huge bill, it was only 10 bucks. But when I went to a manager, he told me I was responsible for the money and it came out of my pocket. Now wtf? I'm like so if it had been 100 bucks I would have to pay for it? And he was like yeah, "its your responbility as the server" I'm like wtf? Am I supposed to knock them out if they go for the door? What the hell can I do to prevent it? So apprently if anyone walks out without paying I have to pay for it. And I'm really not wanting to work there because of this :( What should I do??

[DianaBanana]

Quit and find a job where you dont have to rely on shit like this. Sorry girl.

[Wezas]

I would honestly call coporate hq and ask for their written policy.

http://applebees.com/contactus.html - though you may have a better contact from your end. The might be able to send you an E-mail with their policy, and they may let you get the information anonymously (so as not to let your boss know you're doing this).

You shouldn't have to catch the bill for anything you didn't comp/screw up. Just my opinion, but it's just common sense. The company needs to write it off or have better surveilence.

[Atlanteax]

Call the Police?

If they order alcohol, use the carding as an opportunity to know their full name...

... so you know who to cite if you ever do have to call the police.

.

It should be a prosecutable crime... to walk off without paying... just like driving off from the gas station w/o paying is.

.

Editted to add:

Another idea would be to (if you can't physically restrain them from leaving) is to shame them, by yelling really loud "HEY, you didn't pay your bill!!!" as hopefully the embarrassment will force them to stop from leaving. Especially if there's others in the restraunt that they know.

[Edited on 6-21-2004 by Atlanteax]

[Jenisi]

I wasn't right there when she walked out, she did it after I gave them the bill (seperate checks) and her one friend paid and I gave change and the other women at the table had their money sittin on the tip trays, I didn't notice till I went to pick up all the bills that there was missing from one.

[Hulkein]

I'm pretty sure it's like that at almost all resteraunts.

[Wezas]

Could it have been someone walked by and picked up the cash that the lady left? Not that it makes your circumstance any better, but it could have been that she left the money and a walker-by snatched it up.

[Atlanteax]

Originally posted by Jenisi
I wasn't right there when she walked out, she did it after I gave them the bill (seperate checks) and her one friend paid and I gave change and the other women at the table had their money sittin on the tip trays, I didn't notice till I went to pick up all the bills that there was missing from one.

Guess the only thing you can really do is be a bit more proactive in watching "your tables".

[Blazing247]

According to my Magic 8 Ball, the answer is "Signs point to yes."


Stay tuned next week for another thrilling episode of "Dear Abby", when we delve into even more nonsensical questions whose answers should be painfully obvious such as "Help! I've dropped my toothbrush into the toilet. What should I do?" and "Jimmy keeps beating me, should I stay with him or leave?".

[Adhara]

You might also want to look into work laws. I don't know if they are federal or state specific laws down there but up here we have specific laws that determine this sort of thing.

When I was in highschool I used to work at a gas station and whenever I was short at the end of my shift, I had to pay the difference from my own pocket. My check would be handed to me every week in an envelope. Handwritten on the envelope would be: (amount earned) - (total short for the week) = (amount on the check). No where on the check itself did it say money had been withheld. My mother suspected it might not be legal but I really wanted to keep the job so I told her not to worry about it, that I would just be more careful. Eventually it went too far (my "shorts" also included people who left without paying. Needless to say that at 25-50$ a tank, it can seriously dent a minimum wage check) and we did look into it. It was definitely illegal and after I had quit, I filed a complaint against the owner of the station.

All that to say, there are resources out there. The coporate HQ is probably a good start as they would definitely want to follow the law and would come down hard on individual franchise owners who don't.

[Edited on 6-21-2004 by Adhara]

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Blazing247
According to my Magic 8 Ball, the answer is "Signs point to yes."


Stay tuned next week for another thrilling episode of "Dear Abby", when we delve into even more nonsensical questions whose answers should be painfully obvious such as "Help! I've dropped my toothbrush into the toilet. What should I do?" and "Jimmy keeps beating me, should I stay with him or leave?".

LOL.

[Shari]

Every place that I've worked at, if your table walks out you get stuck with the bill. Which fucking SUCKS if you ask me...but I've literally seen servers chase people down outside the restraunt to alert them to the fact that they "forgot" to pay the bill.

If you can catch someone quick enough I say definitely call them on it. Why the hell should you be the one to pay when someone else was a dumbass? I can understand not leaving a tip if you did a shitty job serving, but pay for your fucking meal.

Don't hesitate to track someone down, and be polite. "Sir, how did you want to pay for your meal? I left the check and there was no form of payment." Clearly he'll be upset but he wont take it up with the manager simply because he was caught walking out on the bill and will likely pay it on the spot to keep from being pointed out as a cheapskate dasher.

[Latrinsorm]

There's always using a taser (to prevent someone from leaving, or just for the hell of it).

[Mint]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
There's always using a taser (to prevent someone from leaving, or just for the hell of it).

I want a taser for my job! Damn that sounds like fun...

And theft of a meal/service is a prosecutable crime I would think. Or should be if it is not. Sucks that you have to pay for it. If that is Appleby's policy they are twits.

[Xcalibur]

Man, need avise for how to operate the toilet now?

Gf is waitress while studying too, and she pays the difference if her balance doesn't work. Or she pays the bills that people won't pay if they run away.

Best way she figured out how to solve that: use your damn brain and remember them. Nothing is worse than humiliation in public.

Still worth the 250$ per day, at least for her.

[Soulpieced]

Don't hesitate to track someone down, and be polite. "Sir, how did you want to pay for your meal? I left the check and there was no form of payment." Clearly he'll be upset but he wont take it up with the manager simply because he was caught walking out on the bill and will likely pay it on the spot to keep from being pointed out as a cheapskate dasher.

.

And if they say screw you and get in the car and drive away, you use your trusty waiter's check and write their liscence plate down and call the cops on the spot.

Stiff==>:hammer:<==Police + Kicked out of restaurant forever

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Could always go back to BestBuy...

:oops:

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Blazing247
"Jimmy keeps beating me, should I stay with him or leave?".


Originally posted by Xcalibur
Man, need avise for how to operate the toilet now?

<rant>
I'm all for sarcasm, but she had an honest question that I'm sure a few of us were unsure of. As for your "duh" comments, it may not be policy at all establishments, so why not post something helpful or amusing (like the taser comments) instead of being asses.
</end rant>

[Xcalibur]

Because she is what, 20? All her posts lately are questions that could be answered by your own damn judgement.

Eventually, in life, you need to stand up, look around you, and go on.

Man man man. How about asking directly her boss? Her co-workers? Calling the information of work's law (or whatever you call it)?

It would had taken, for the boss and co-wokers, 5 times less the time it would take to write the post.

p.s. Never been proud of doing something, alone, and felt the satisfaction that you made the right decision?


p.p.s (An important one) before taking a job, be sure TO ASK EVERYTHING about it. That way, you don't get caught in "difficult" situations and look like someone that isn't ready to have such a job.

[Jenisi]

I was going more along the lines of... would you stay at that job with the risk? It's very upsetting having to pay for other peoples crimes.

[Kitsun]

Xcalibur, you need to step the fuck off.

For someone who has played a text based english RPG and posted on an english message board for so long, you certainly haven't learned how to write properly. You've been exposed to enough proper english for long enough that someone with a minimal IQ could have learned it, but you haven't.

She encountered an entirely new situation and decided to ask a question.

If you don't like it, don't fucking read it, you dumb, worthless sack of skin.

[Jenisi]

I think you failed to read my post X for the stupid ass comments you made.

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by Kitsun
Xcalibur, you need to step the fuck off.

For someone who has played a text based english RPG and posted on an english message board for so long, you certainly haven't learned how to write properly. You've been exposed to enough proper english for long enough that someone with a minimal IQ could have learned it, but you haven't.

She encountered an entirely new situation and decided to ask a question.

If you don't like it, don't fucking read it, you dumb, worthless sack of skin.

Are you fully bilingual in spanish? I must think you are with the mass amount of spanish speaker in the US.

As for the situation, she, again, cannot use her judgement to solve the "problem".

And worse, she cannot think that HAVING a job doesn't protect you against your own mistakes.

Jenisi: I'd advise you another tattoo:cool:

[DianaBanana]

Hey faux-Frenchie how the hell was this HER mistake? Some asshole stiffed her on the bill, and it's not like the girl was working just one table. You cant have your eyes everywhere at all times. Back the fuck up and shut up. Ugh, now you've managed to piss even me off. :fu:

P.S. Please excuse all the cursing. ;)

[Edited on 6-21-2004 by DianaBanana]

[Skirmisher]

Jenisi, I think the idea Wezas suggested seems like a good one though i fear as most others have said that is often one of the pitfalls of being a server.

Sorry about the person being such a jerk.




X, you think you know everything, even English.

I realize the concept of asking others for advice may be all bizzaro world to you, but not every person in the world is like you believing in their own omniscience.

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by DianaBanana
Hey faux-Frenchie how the hell was this HER mistake? Some asshole stiffed her on the bill, and it's not like the girl was working just one table. You cant have your eyes everywhere at all times. Back the fuck up and shut up. Ugh, now you've managed to piss even me off. :fu:

According to our work law, it's HER fault.

According to her boss, it's HER fault.

According to 100% of waitress, it's HER fault.

Wether you like it or not.

Suppa was right, if you cannot handle the pressure, go back into bestbuy.

Skirmisher: REREAD her first post NOW. She doesn't ask an advise per se (I adore that expression).

SHE ASKS "WHAT SHOULD I DO".

That is saying: I am helpless, I am totaly lost, confused, cannot think for myself, bla bla bla.

There. Pressure, not pression.

[Edited on 21-6-04 by Xcalibur]

[Drew2]

WTF IS PRESSION PLZ.

[Wezas]

X, have you, personally, been a waiter? (refrains from any frogs leg jokes) You think you would be able to keep an eye on every single table you have to cover to make sure noone's skipping out on the bill EVERY time? How are you going to make sure they're paying if you need to go into the kitchen to get orders? Not to mention the people are probably WAITING for you to go into the kitchen so they can leave, and most probably have a plan of: one person leaves, then slowly one at a time everyone is gone.

Shit happens. It sucks that wait staff gets stuck with the bill. Would you feel the same way if your girl has a table of 8 people who run up a $500 tab skip out on the bill?

:edited to say: Damn you juggler! You snuck your post in while I was typing. I'll get you and your little dog too.

[Edited on 6-21-2004 by Wezas]

[DianaBanana]

Originally posted by Tayre
WTF IS PRESSION PLZ.

:thinking:

hehehehe

[Drew2]

Hahahaha that's a funny smiley.

:dog:

[SpunGirl]

According to 100% of waiters? I'm glad X is spending his time polling every fucking waitress and waiter in the world. X, you suck hard.

Also, stop posting about how much money you and your GF make. It's not that much in US dollars and no one gives a fuck. I make more money than you and you don't see me shouting about my salary every fucking chance I get. Eat poison and almost die.

-K

[Drew2]

Yeah 250$ Canadian is like what, 30 bucks US?



:kick:

[Edited on 6-21-2004 by Tayre]

[Xcalibur]

My gf is one. And one in one of the biggest restaurant here.

Been 16 months, and it happened three times. 3 times. One of those bills was a big 45 bucks. Damn annoying, but it goes with the risk

(as being a policeman and knowing you can be fired/arrested if you hurt an innocent while chasing someone, as too many exemples).

Working = taking risks.

Any boss can "prevent" that (in some percentage) by not allowing the waitresses to go into the kitchen.

And it is considered stealing, 10 bucks... but 500? call the police right away (hope he has cameras).

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
According to 100% of waiters? I'm glad X is spending his time polling every fucking waitress and waiter in the world. X, you suck hard.

Also, stop posting about how much money you and your GF make. It's not that much in US dollars and no one gives a fuck. I make more money than you and you don't see me shouting about my salary every fucking chance I get. Eat poison and almost die.

-K

Hey fake hater, it's been the first time I speak of her salary. And it's worth around 190$ us.

100% of waiters SHOULD know that if it happens, it's YOUR problem.

[Edited on 21-6-04 by Xcalibur]

[SpunGirl]

So your girlfriend is one waitress, I'm glad that authorizes you to speak for 100% of waitresses.

Do you even realize how little sense you make on a regular basis?

-K

[Drew2]

Her salary is only $190?

Hmm...

Which corner did you say she worked again?

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by DianaBanana
Hey faux-Frenchie how the hell was this HER mistake? Some asshole stiffed her on the bill, and it's not like the girl was working just one table. You cant have your eyes everywhere at all times. Back the fuck up and shut up. Ugh, now you've managed to piss even me off. :fu:

P.S. Please excuse all the cursing. ;)

[Edited on 6-21-2004 by DianaBanana]

Wow.

Missed this post earlier.

Thats it, when you get Diana mad at you it's time to call it a day.:lol:

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Tayre
Her salary is only $190?

Hmm...

Which corner did you say she worked again?

Tayre, that's a low blow.

At least wait until his son is 14 before sleeping with his family.

[DianaBanana]

He managed to piss off a juggler, a JUGGLER for god's sake. I mean, we're like the happiest friggin people alive or some crap. Grrrrrrr. :talktohand:

[SpunGirl]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
According to 100% of waitress, it's HER fault.



Originally posted by Xcalibur
100% of waiters SHOULD know that if it happens, it's YOUR problem.


Go ahead, take a few minutes to gather your rotting brain cells into a semi-coherent pile of mush and make up your fucking mind.

-K

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by Tayre
Her salary is only $190?

Hmm...

Which corner did you say she worked again?

Same as mine, and it's a damn good salary per day.

I don't know how most of you earn per day, but here it's a lot of money.

As for the VM's stuff, eh...

It's that for 100% of waiters, like it or not, hate me or not.

[DianaBanana]

Perhaps if you took the time to learn some tact, people wouldnt hate on you so much. Or, maybe they still would. :deadhorse:


By the way, I love using smiley's. Rock on smiley's!

[Edited on 6-21-2004 by DianaBanana]

[Xcalibur]

They can hate me as much as they want, I really don't care.

But as for THIS situation, it's Jenisi's fault and I would even say: it's her problem.

She should take this opportunity and ask her boss about the consequences of her actions, and what to do in case of crisis:

What to do if a robber comes.

What to do in a case of choking (thanks Crystaltears)

What is the politic of the restaurant in case she breaks dishes?

What is the politic of the restaurant if she gives the wrong order to someone?

What is the politic of the restaurant if someone steal her tips?

And so on.

Ignorance, in law or anywhere, is NEVER an excuse.

[Edited on 21-6-04 by Xcalibur]

[Drew2]

Originally posted by Wezas
Tayre, that's a low blow.

At least wait until his son is 14 before sleeping with his family.

It's not like he's a virgin.

He lives in Canada.

He's already fucked.

[Kitsun]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
Are you fully bilingual in spanish? I must think you are with the mass amount of spanish speaker in the US.


The reason you are a fucking moron is because of responses like this. The comparison is NOT appropiate.

You exposed yourself nearly 24/7, as far as I can tell, to english. Me, living in America, does not mean I am exposed to spanish... well ever.

[Drew2]

Originally posted by Tayre
Which corner did you say she worked again?

Originally posted by Xcalibur
Same as mine, and it's a damn good salary per day.


ROFL. :lol2:

[SpunGirl]

Originally posted by Tayre

It's not like he's a virgin.

He lives in Canada.

He's already fucked.

:heart: Tayre. You are so funny.

-K

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by Kitsun

Originally posted by Xcalibur
Are you fully bilingual in spanish? I must think you are with the mass amount of spanish speaker in the US.


The reason you are a fucking moron is because of responses like this. The comparison is NOT appropiate.

You exposed yourself nearly 24/7, as far as I can tell, to english. Me, living in America, does not mean I am exposed to spanish... well ever.

Go back to threads created for me, I will gladly discuss this with you:)

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by SpunGirl

Originally posted by Tayre

It's not like he's a virgin.

He lives in Canada.

He's already fucked.

:heart: Tayre. You are so funny.

-K

bla bla bla. Bunch of jealous, Canada do sux, still.

[Drew2]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
bla bla bla. Bunch of jealous, Canada do sux, still.

Hahaha... does that even count as a defense?

Christ on a cracker, you're fucking dumb.

[Xcalibur]

Canada do sux. But I have a reason (more than one actually) to "hate" them.

Not fake hate because of.. because of... what, in fact?

[Drew2]

I hate Canada because it allows you to live.

[SpunGirl]

X gets the award for Bumbling Unintentional Comedy.

Also, just so the rest of you know: 100% of teachers know that kids who mouth of in class should be expelled. I know this because my husband is a teacher. It's that for 100% of teachers, like it or not, hate me or not.

-K

[DianaBanana]

I actually didnt understand what that meant. And I'm not saying this to be mean, but what does that quote mean? Oh well, I'm trying so hard to go job search now but this is far too amusing.

:popcorn2:

[Xcalibur]

Pardon?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Someone's ignorance is showing.

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
X gets the award for Bumbling Unintentional Comedy.

Also, just so the rest of you know: 100% of teachers know that kids who mouth of in class should be expelled. I know this because my husband is a teacher. It's that for 100% of teachers, like it or not, hate me or not.

-K


No, genious. Because your work law won't back up your teacher.

Try again, genious.

[Drew2]

YEAH, GENIOUS. TRY AGAIN.

[SpunGirl]

Hey "genious," not all work law is the same as it is in Frenchy Land Canada. Unless 100% of all waiters live there....and if you tried to make that claim next, I honestly wouldn't be shocked.

Goddamn I feel more and more like a GENIUS every time you post.

-K

[DianaBanana]

Originally posted by Tayre
YEAH, GENIOUS. TRY AGAIN.

Holy crapoly, I'm mean today because I was thinking the same exact thing. :up:

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

<3 Diana

[Xcalibur]

hehehe:)

I'm around 90% sure that it's the same for every countries. If not, I'm 100% it's the same with the US and here, though, and in that case, it's enough.

[Drew2]

100% of America thinks you're a dumbass.

I know because I live here and I work with Americans everyday.




And also:
Jojobabee: goddamn he is SO FUCKING STUPID I COULD CREATE A STUPID STICK OUT OF HIS BONES
Jojobabee: And if I beat Stephen Hawking with it he'd become stupid in like two hits.

<3 Kristin

[DianaBanana]

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
<3 Diana


More cowbell please.

Oh and the more logic X tries to use, the more I'm tempted to go and do this...:banghead:

[SpunGirl]

:lol2:

-K

[Xcalibur]

hééhéhéhéhéhé

:cheers:

Still, jenisi is screwed

[Drew2]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
hééhéhéhéhéhé

:cheers:

Still, jenisi is screwed

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
Still, jenisi is screwed

I'm not so sure. Jenisi lives in the US. whereas you live:

http://members.cox.net/legendwezas/canada.jpg

I think we all know who're more screwed.

[DianaBanana]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
hééhéhéhéhéhé

:cheers:

Still, jenisi is screwed

Still, 90% of the PC thinks you're an ass. And I know this because I'm a member of the PC. :D

[CrystalTears]

Nope, sorry, waiters having to pay for their customers getting up and leaving is not a policy held in all restaurants, only some. Just because you and your wife haven't done the research to make sure that what the establishment is legally allowed to do doesn't make it right.

[SpunGirl]

I'd rather have her job for the rest of my life and have someone walk out on a $10 bill every day than be you for one second.

She can, and will, move on to better things. Unless they invent a dumbass vaccine, you are fucked. Forever.

-K

[Xcalibur]

DianaBanana actually... 67.57% of around 74 people.

Wezas: I'm a bit souther.

CrystalTears: If the boss decides otherwise, it is. If the boss is nice and know the waiters doesn't make big tips and he wants to keep them, he would probably do that, I would hope at least.


Spungirl, WE all know you hate me. You can stop now to say it every fucking post. thanks:)

Fucking obsessed
:lol2:

[Drew2]

Merry Christmas, Xcalibur. :)

[Xcalibur]

Thanks:socool:

Always wanted to be a follower of fads...

Will try, on the next one

[Drew2]

Sure thing.


See Wezas for my business card on your way out.

[SpunGirl]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
Spungirl, WE all know you hate me. You can stop now to say it every fucking post.


:heart: the unintentional comedy.

Also, you dont have the first clue what the work law here is, plz quit pretending you do. Not that I do either, but I didn't say I did for one, and for another, I'd always be inclined to believe CT over you. Even if she claimed she had rubber monkeys falling out of her nose.

-K

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
Even if she claimed she had rubber monkeys falling out of her nose.

-K

Gah! Who blabbed?! :bashing:

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Tayre
See Wezas for my business card on your way out.

Which one?

http://members.cox.net/legendwezas/Tayre.jpg
http://members.cox.net/legendwezas/tayre2.jpg

[DeV]

Jenisi I wouldn't hesitate taking a bat to a non-paying customer either. You should definitely leave that option open. You might lose your job, but hell, it'd be worth it.

[SpunGirl]

She could probably solve more of the world's problems by just taking a bat to Xcalibur. Then people would adore her and give her Louisville Slugger endorsement deals, and she'd never have to work as a waitress again.

-K

[Trinitis]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
DianaBanana actually... 67.57% of around 74 people.


More then that X, I know for a fact that at least one person voted they liked you because they felt sorry for you.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by LordAdredrin

Originally posted by Xcalibur
DianaBanana actually... 67.57% of around 74 people.


More then that X, I know for a fact that at least one person voted they liked you because they felt sorry for you.

Perhaps another vote is in order? Now that the voters have seen a bit more of his talents?

[Xcalibur]

~ 67.54%

Which, is totaly cool, even if only 20% of people like me.

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by LordAdredrin

Originally posted by Xcalibur
DianaBanana actually... 67.57% of around 74 people.


More then that X, I know for a fact that at least one person voted they liked you because they felt sorry for you.

You mean like.. himself?

[Xcalibur]

What?

Can someone post the damn list of people that voted?

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
Jenisi I wouldn't hesitate taking a bat to a non-paying customer either. You should definitely leave that option open. You might lose your job, but hell, it'd be worth it. Nothing like going to prison for a $10 check, eh?

[CrystalTears]

Are you denying that you voted yes for yourself?

And no I'm not going to post the list of people who voted because some may have done it anonymously which is why they may not have posted.

For someone who doesn't care who likes them or not, you sure are making a big deal about who voted and making the yes amount your signature.

[Xcalibur]

Eh, no. Some people that I won't tell their names because they said it more than often said I created names to raise the yes in question.

I do not care.

Yes, I voted yes because in that case, I like myself.

Don't you like yourself? I vote when I think it is needed.

AS for the rest, 23 others did too, positivly.

Wether for pity or not.

[SpunGirl]

I always make things I don't care about my signature, CT, I don't know what you're thinking.

-K :saint:

[DeV]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
Jenisi I wouldn't hesitate taking a bat to a non-paying customer either. You should definitely leave that option open. You might lose your job, but hell, it'd be worth it. Nothing like going to prison for a $10 check, eh? I didn't say I'd follow that advise myself now. :P

[Xcalibur]

:beer:

Always fun to see someone (stupid) wanting something bad (as for this exemple, showing how I am hated) and failling miserably.

[Weedmage Princess]

:lol: :popcorn2:

-edited to add: Jenisi, sorry about your situation. There really isn't much though that CAN be done to ensure a person doesn't skip out without paying, that is short of not allowing them to leave the table until you take their payment. It happens quite frequently, I know when I was in Junior High and High School a lot of kids would go to Perkins or Friendly's and skip out like that. I'd take the suggestion of others and ask your manager or maybe other servers who've been there a while what do they do to help avoid that.

[Edited on 6-21-2004 by Weedmage Princess]

[Trinitis]

Its always fun to see someone who spends half his time posting on these boards telling people he don't care about anything said here. Or that he don't care about what is said (thought) of him. Then watch him spaz out when someone brings up his family.

-Adredrin

[Xcalibur]

If I was caring enough, I would become emotive, fight it back, bitch the person personally, bla bla bla.

Saw me did it to tayre that much? Hmm?

Not because I disagree with it means I care about it.

Fact is: it's something low.

[Trinitis]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
If I was caring enough, I would become emotive, fight it back, bitch the person personally, bla bla bla.

Saw me did it to tayre that much? Hmm?

Not because I disagree with it means I care about it.

Fact is: it's something low.

Low and annoying, right?


Gee..sounds about like 90% of your posts. Catch the hint yet? Or do we need to beat it into your skull with a hammer?

[SpunGirl]

Telling me I'm "obviously" unhappy with my life isn't attacking me personally?

Btw, "bitching" someone is not really a verb you can use to describe the act of bashing them.

Get smart please. Preferably in this language. Or just quit posting here.... now there's an idea.
-K

[Xcalibur]

You can ignore a post I do.

I responded to jenisi. She responded, I did again.

Some took the opportunity to responded and bash me.

Who is wrong? Me in the first place? them? all of us?

It takes 2 people to have an argument, not only 1.

[Wezas]

Being as I was the first one to *bash* you in this thread, I'd like to say that I only thought your comments were rude and unnecessary. Someone has a question or wants an opinion, they ask. If you see that as a sign of weakness, then keep it to yourself and don't be an ass.

So for some reason it's not ok to ask a question about someone skipping out on tips, but it is ok ask for help in learning English.

[Xcalibur]

I completely agree with you, but I don't think I bashed her. Again, it's a question of perception which is like a quesiton of taste: too hard to debate.

But, wasn't to her to fight it back?

Hmm?

[SpunGirl]

It would take me more fingers and toes than I have (I have 10 of each in case that escapes you) to count the number of people who I KNOW are irritated and sometimes offended by the things you post, either because they told me or they posted as much. Look at the number of people who jump your shit when you respond to a thread. "Normal" responses don't get that kind of reaction.

You cannot possibly be stupid enough for that to be escaping you.

-K

[Edited on 6-21-2004 by SpunGirl]

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Xcalibur

According to our work law, it's HER fault.

According to her boss, it's HER fault.

According to 100% of waitress, it's HER fault.


Your laws clearly suck. If someone breaks the law (i.e. takes something without paying - often called stealing) it is their fault. They are responsible.

If your laws blame the victim of the crime for the crime itself, it explains a lot about your little "quirks".

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
I completely agree with you, but I don't think I bashed her. Again, it's a question of perception which is like a quesiton of taste: too hard to debate.

So then that means just as you have the right to perceive what you said as "not bashing" her, others have the right to perceive it as bashing her.


Originally posted by XcaliburBut, wasn't to her to fight it back?

Hmm?

That's the beautiful thing about message boards and forums. Once something gets posted publically on these boards for all members to see, any and all member(s) have the right to respond to it. If you want to say something to someone and not risk others responding to you...you're better served using the U2U feature, or sending them an IM, or e-mailing them, so on and so forth.

[Xcalibur]

I can count them too, but I think most of them are just joining the fad.

As for you. We were having normal discussions before. But, we are different. I am different, you are different.

So, because I think being macho is cool, and you don't, that makes me stupid.

Because I think most bi girls are pretenders and you don't, that makes me stupid.

You hate me for false reasons. It's like hating me because I speak french... booh

[Xcalibur]

Nieninque, you are right, it is stealing. It is stealing from HER. If the boss is cool, he will takes the responsability, though.

Weedmage Princess I can only agree with that since it is what I said. But I find it ironic that I was told to lay it down a bit when I was doing it with chadj and others while, for example, VM is doing it too.

Ironic, but I can understand it.

[SpunGirl]

I don't hate you. I think you are a giant fucktard, but you'd have to be better than that to be worthy of my hate.

Xcalibur says: But, we are different. I am different, you are different.

Profound Statemend of the Day Award.

-K

[Xcalibur]

Hmm... Too lazy (and don't care enough) to dig the other threads out.

I will believe your word.

Thanks for the compliment, by the way:smug:

[SpunGirl]

:soapbox:

Alright, X, let's take a look at this.

You responded to Jenisi's honest request for advice by being a shithead, and being rude. If you get flamed for that, that is your fault.

You responded to Maimara's thread about me by implying I was fat. You can deny this all you want, but it's no secret you like pushing buttons. If you get flamed for that, that is your fault.

You told me twice in two different threads that you think I'm unhappy with my life. If you get flamed for that, that is your fault.

You keep saying dickwad things in other threads that offend and irritate people. IF YOU GET FLAMED FOR THAT, THAT IS YOUR FAULT.

If you make a nice normal thread like, "how do I plant a rose garden," or something along those lines, I doubt anyone would flame you. If they did, that would NOT be your fault.

Too bad you're incapable of normalcy.

-K

[Xcalibur]

That's your perception. I recall seeing someone said she was on a roll after 2 tattoos... That's being shithead?

I think she should just get better knowledge about her job before getting into that said job, as I said later.

I never implied you were fat (at least on the forum), you can stop playing the victim now about that.

People that are irritated = same that would turn a thread about: "do you like X or not" into a bashing thread even if I did not posted once in it.

You don't need reason to do what you want, but that doesn't mean I will accept it.


I prefer being what I am to be normal, by the way (if that word mean being normal)

[SpunGirl]

I never did "play the victim." But I also wasn't the only person who thought it was a lame, low, and all out retarded comment. Coming from you, it was hardly a surprise.

-K

[Xcalibur]

Still, you won't see me bitch your son, daughter, mom or whatever.

I have respect in my disrespect.

As for the rest, eh, ok:)

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I can't believe YOU are claiming someone else is a victim. You play pariah more than anyone I know X. It's just internet words X! Don't get upset because we know about your familial troubles at home.

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
I can't believe YOU are claiming someone else is a victim. You play pariah more than anyone I know X. It's just internet words X! Don't get upset because we know about your familial troubles at home.

Got a family?

Will get one?

Until the answer is yes to both questions (obviously), then you will be accepted into speaking about families.

As for the rest, I am no victim, I stand by 99% of what I say and defend my ideas.

[CrystalTears]

I will agree that bashing someone's family member is rather unnecessary. I will also state, however, that ANY kind of personal bashing on someone is unnecessary as well.

Xcalibur has a knack for picking on people for their personal choices. However what he doesn't seem to understand is that personal attacks are not acceptable, regardless of the target.

When you attack someone for their online relationship, not only are you insulting them, but also the person they're having the relationship with. When you say "your love life sucks" to a married person, you're also making implications that their lover/spouse sucks as well. You need to see the entire picture when poking fun at them for something that you don't agree with.

If you present something here, be prepared for it to be used against you. Do I think it's right? No, I don't really think so. However when you push people to find a reason to get back at you for all of the bad things you've said to them, you give them no other alternative but to use something that you don't want them to use. If you have free will to judge people for their life, they have an equal right to do it as well.

[Xcalibur]

I understand but cannot agree with that, as if we follow this logic, then I could insult anyone's family when I disagree with someone.

That would only make matters 10 times worse.

I know I was wrong with Adredin and I said it, on the contrary of somes.

[CrystalTears]

Apparently you're not listening to me. Personal attacks of ANY kind are not necessary. When you attack something/someone that is personal to them, whether it be their mother, their daughter, their dog, their computer, it's an insult. The target is irrelevant.

Ergo saying to someone that being Democratic is stupid is insulting to them, and you hearing someone say something about your son is insulting to you. It's all personal attacks.

-------------------------------------------------

By the way, since you seem to like using me as an example for these insulting things, let's make one thing clear. I wouldn't have this hissy fit when a flame goes in my direction. I take it, accept it, learn from it and move on. I make mistakes and I take my lumps for them. I may not like it, but to say that I wouldn't "allow" it is false.

You'll also notice that I'm very careful with the personal information I divulge on the boards. Those things that I mention are things that I can take criticism for. Then again, I take insults here most times with a grain of salt.

I'll be the first one to admit and agree that several times in the past I was very bad at taking criticism, but with time, I've grown a thick skin. My job both here as an admin and as a real job of customer support helps. I also won't let on publicly when someone gets to me. I'll talk to my friends if necessary. But I try very hard to never show that anyone here will get the best of me. Ain't happening.

[Edited on 6/21/2004 by CrystalTears]

[Xcalibur]

I understand. Totaly. But I cannot agree with that.

You say I am stupid because I think being macho is cool. So I feel that it's a personal attack. I, then, retaliate saying your daughter is bla bla bla.

Using personal perception as an excuse cannot work, it's just asking for troubles.

If I bitch your political view, why don't you just bitch mine?

I understand still but I cannot agree with that.

[CrystalTears]

You know what, don't even TRY to say that you stick with the topic because you most certainly will not. Someone will be talking about how much fun someone had at a conference and you come in with a comment about how fat people have nice voices too. Someone else will comment on something in the game and you float in with a comment about their online relationship.

You use people's personal life against them ALL THE TIME. When you stop doing that kinda crap with other people, then I'll listen to what you have to say. Right now you just scream hypocrite.

[Edited on 6/21/2004 by CrystalTears]

[Xcalibur]

Ok, so by saying that, you agree with me that it cannot work like you said it works.

Thank you.

(You are saying that I am getting what I deserve, simply.)

Got it.

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
If you present something here, be prepared for it to be used against you. Do I think it's right? No, I don't really think so. However when you push people to find a reason to get back at you for all of the bad things you've said to them, you give them no other alternative but to use something that you don't want them to use. If you have free will to judge people for their life, they have an equal right to do it as well.

[Weedmage Princess]

And again since it is said that repetition is a sure fire way of getting something stuck in your mind:


Originally posted by CrystalTears
If you present something here, be prepared for it to be used against you. Do I think it's right? No, I don't really think so. However when you push people to find a reason to get back at you for all of the bad things you've said to them, you give them no other alternative but to use something that you don't want them to use. If you have free will to judge people for their life, they have an equal right to do it as well.

[Xcalibur]

Nah. The only reason they use it is simply because they tried everything and saw I did not care.

Obviously, insulting my family will make me react.

They only do it for provocation.

And don't start the "justice" crap, the ONLY 2 PEOPLE USING MY FAMILY AGAINST ME WERE 2 PEOPLE I DID NOT BITCH BEFORE.

If it was Adredin, chadj, klaive, whatever, I'd understand.

Them? no.

Fucking hypocrisy.

[Weedmage Princess]

AND ONE MORE TIME FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE UPPER TIER...

SECOND VERSE, SAME AS THE FIRST...STICK WITH ME, X!!


Originally posted by CrystalTears
If you present something here, be prepared for it to be used against you. Do I think it's right? No, I don't really think so. However when you push people to find a reason to get back at you for all of the bad things you've said to them, you give them no other alternative but to use something that you don't want them to use. If you have free will to judge people for their life, they have an equal right to do it as well.

[Artha]

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess
And again since it is said that repetition is a sure fire way of getting something stuck in your mind:


Originally posted by CrystalTears
If you present something here, be prepared for it to be used against you. Do I think it's right? No, I don't really think so. However when you push people to find a reason to get back at you for all of the bad things you've said to them, you give them no other alternative but to use something that you don't want them to use. If you have free will to judge people for their life, they have an equal right to do it as well.

Because the third time's the charm :)

[Xcalibur]

Mixing 2 different cases just show how biased you are.

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
Nah. The only reason they use it is simply because they tried everything and saw I did not care.

Obviously, insulting my family will make me react.

They only do it for provocation.


Why do you do it then? Hmm?

[Xcalibur]

Totaly depends on the context. But my answer will probably back you as it will, again, be a matter of personal perception.

So, in the end, you are right: Insulting someone open the door to EVERYONE and they can say WHATEVER they want.

Rest is just a matter of perception, as I said.

I understand and will adapt myself to that.

[Edited on 21-6-04 by Xcalibur]