a new dwarven warrior

[Celexei]

well i'm gonna start up my dwarven warrior again, was just gonna try to set up a better plan than last time, i've learnt a thing or two about the skills that i'm gonna be wanting and such so...yeah, but anywho, i've never been good and crunching stat numbers, so i'll post what my old dwarf warriors where and request help tweaking. for information, plans are...somewhere around 3x armor, 2x cman, 2x two handers, 2x dodge etc....i want to go with alot of aimed shots as well, so i'm thinking ambush would be where to go, but someone told me perception?!?! since its from the open and all...he's also gonna be a master forger at sometime if he ever gets around to it, but that doesn't matter much thats not as important as just ass kickin. so without further adeu or misspellings of other random words:

Race: Dwarf Profession: Warrior (not shown)
Gender: Male Age: 0 Expr: 1785 Level: 0
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 80 (25) ... 80 (25)
Constitution (CON): 80 (30) ... 80 (30)
Dexterity (DEX): 90 (20) ... 90 (20)
Agility (AGI): 90 (15) ... 90 (15)
Discipline (DIS): 70 (20) ... 70 (20)
Aura (AUR): 50 (-10) ... 50 (-10)
Logic (LOG): 60 (10) ... 60 (10)
Intuition (INT): 60 (5) ... 60 (5)
Wisdom (WIS): 50 (0) ... 50 (0)
Influence (INF): 30 (-20) ... 30 (-20)
Mana: 1 Silver: 320

[Latrinsorm]

I would up Aura, because 5 spirit? Yeesh. I would drop Str, Con, Dex, and Agi 10 points each and put them somewhere else.

Also, 3x armor and 2x dodge is pretty counterproductive, as heavier armor has a hefty dodge penalty (from what I've heard, I've never much cared about dodging) that is unable to be trained away.

[Trinitis]

first..if your going for aimed shots..its gonna be tuff as a two hander. You can use a greatsword or a bastard sword..but the RT is gonna be killer for the most part.

With crits being as random as they are, its much more a attrition system. So I (personally) would either go with a claid as a two hander..or choose a different weapon class.

Also, If you go with aiming..Ambush does not help with open aim, CM's do. So you don't need ambush.

Thirdly, Latrin is right, but my warrior still 3x's armor and Dodge. I want to be able to wear the plate as soon as possible, for times I need it. And I also want that big bonus to DS when wearing lighter armors, for hunting manuv based critters. :shrug:

[Edited on 6-21-2004 by LordAdredrin]

[wanfu-san]

I say you take him back to the inn and make a dwarven wizard!

be cool like wanfu-san!

[Celexei]

so i'm not understanding that...i've played a high lord warrior before, a friend of mines, and he was a two hander with a 4x heavily critted axe which i now own, and he had 40 ranks of ambush, and he almost ALWAYs hit his mark, i'd just tackle and crit the neck everytime, is that not from ambush then?

[Latrinsorm]

A High Lord 2xing CM would have 80+ ranks. I don't know of any warrior model that wouldn't have 2x CM, so that could account for your aiming success.

[Axhinde]

Because(as far as I know) ambush ranks are factored in when ambushing from hiding. CM ranks are the determining factor for successful aiming in the open.

Unless they changed it again and I'm lost. Which is possible.

[Celexei]

so i don't need ANY ambushing to aim shots with a warrior? its 100% Cman? i didn't know that and it still doesn't make since to me but if that is 100% the way to go...help me spend more points!

[Celexei]

and Axhinde, where the hell did you get that logo and the character, thats DAMN sexy, i want one of me.

[Celexei]

chat with TP's would this be a decent plan?

(3) Armor Use
(2) Combat Maneuvers
(2) Two-Handed Weapons
(2) Multi-Opponent Combat
(2) Physical Training
(2) Dodging
(2) Survival
(2) Perception
(2) First Aid

[Drew]

ambush from hiding factors in ambush and perception skill. Ambush from open factors in ambush and combat maneuvers skill

[Celexei]

so ambush does have to do with aimed shots?

[Trinitis]

Originally posted by Celexei
so ambush does have to do with aimed shots?

Only if aiming from hiding.

If aiming from open, its all on CM's

[Celexei]

okay that is 100% clear now....i thinks

[Edaarin]

You'll never get anywhere if you keep flipping between characters like this, heh.

Why 2x Survival and FA? Why 3x armor? Why 2x perception?

I know several high level two handed weapon using warriors who only 1x dodge, and they do fine.

[Celexei]

because 3x armor will mean i'll be in full plate by 43 trains, 2x survival and FA MAY drop down to 1x but, the skinning possibilities always make me happy 2x perception....good question.

[Celexei]

also, because for the most part he'll just be my locker character and master forger, not planning much else otherwise

[Axhinde]

Originally posted by Celexei
and Axhinde, where the hell did you get that logo and the character, thats DAMN sexy, i want one of me.

Someone made it for me, but I found the character.

[Anebriated]

I thought it was perception from the open? Or is that archery specific. I thought I remembered Perigourd or some other older warrior telling me it was perception...

[Celexei]

if someone knows on the perciption gig, please let me know, i dropped it all for thinking it wasn't needed, i know perception is for archery but open aim shots i'm not sure of, it would be pretty benificial to know though.

[SiKWiDiT]

What does brawling factor into enough to constitute training in it twice per level, out of curiousity?

I have a new dwarven warrior and I'm trying to come up with a training plan for him, so I thought I'd piggyback on your thread, Celexei.

[Trinitis]

Perception does squat for ambushing using weapons != bows.

Perception is still nice for warriors, if you ever plan on making use of bash (perception and disarm keeps you alive).

[gcstader]

< Because(as far as I know) ambush ranks are factored in when ambushing from hiding. CM ranks are the determining factor for successful aiming in the open >

From GS Website:
When used from the open, the Ambush and Combat Maneuvers skills aid in achieving success.

I'm working up a plan for a warrior right now so I was browsin old threads. Thought I might clarify this.

~Greg / Eldas

[Drew]

That's what I said earlier in this thread... You ALWAYS need ambushing to actually ambush, either from open or hiding.


ambushing from hiding: Ambush and perception affect your aiming

ambush from open: ambush and CM affect your aiming

It used to be that you didn't get as much phantom damage when you ambushed from the open, I think this is still true.

[Axhinde]

Yes, but it doesn't say how much your Ambush ranks come into play while ambush from the open. I believe it's something close to 1/4 Ambush ranks that actually are used. 2x'ing CM, with a claid, with no ambush, I hit a standing target about 70% of the time in the aimed spot. If they're laying down, forget it, rarely miss.