Jobs, and ethics.

[SpiffyJr]

So, say you're offered a job, you accept, and all is good. A week later your boss decides (without you asking) to offer another 20% over what the new job offered you. Is it ethical to consider the offer? What's the appropriate response to both jobs? This is also a place for me to jot down my thoughts and get some feedback from people that probably have more experience in this situation.

Pros of current job
I'm happy, 100%.
I like the people I work with.
I get 5 weeks of vacation.
I work from home full-time.
They supply my computer
I wrote 90% of the code we use from the ground up, it's my baby.
I very rarely need to put in overtime.

Cons of the new job
I'm not sure of advancement potential

Pros of the new job
Status, working on a well-known and very large website.
Intro to the gaming industry, gets me through the door.
No health premiums.
I work from home, full-time.

Cons of the new job
I'm not sure of the advancement potential.
I'm not sure how solid the company is.
Two weeks of vacation.
I have to supply my own computer.

[BriarFox]

I think it depends on what you've promised people. If you've just switched in the first place for the money, then you might as well switch back.

[SpiffyJr]

I think it depends on what you've promised people. If you've just switched in the first place for the money, then you might as well switch back.

Money wasn't really an issue but a 33% pay raise is hard to entirely ignore.

[Liagala]

I'd say Curse is a pretty solid company. I don't think you need to worry about that part. As far as which job you should pick goes, there are 2 questions I'd ask.

1 - What's your financial situation? Does your paycheck decide things for you? If yes, it's a pretty easy choice.
2 - Assuming pay is not the prime consideration for you, which do you want more? Whatever this project is that's your baby, or to get into the gaming industry? The rest of your pros/cons are similar for both companies.

Edit: Where's the ethical concern here? Other than, "job hopping is generally considered bad," you haven't mentioned anything. Will you be royally screwing either company, or just inconveniencing them?

[Keller]

Your current boss obviously wants to keep you.

Tell him about your concerns.

[Back]

Ask for more.

[diethx]

Your current boss obviously wants to keep you.

Tell him about your concerns.

^

[SpiffyJr]

I'd say Curse is a pretty solid company. I don't think you need to worry about that part. As far as which job you should pick goes, there are 2 questions I'd ask.

1 - What's your financial situation? Does your paycheck decide things for you? If yes, it's a pretty easy choice.
2 - Assuming pay is not the prime consideration for you, which do you want more? Whatever this project is that's your baby, or to get into the gaming industry? The rest of your pros/cons are similar for both companies.

Edit: Where's the ethical concern here? Other than, "job hopping is generally considered bad," you haven't mentioned anything. Will you be royally screwing either company, or just inconveniencing them?

1. It's Wowhead, not Curse, but I imagine they're solid. I just don't know for a fact they are.

2. My financial situation right now is very good. Pay isn't the driving factor but I'd be lying to say that it doesn't matter, at all.

I just don't want either company to feel like I'm jerking them around. My current company could be in some serious trouble without me.

[msconstrew]

Edit: Where's the ethical concern here? Other than, "job hopping is generally considered bad," you haven't mentioned anything. Will you be royally screwing either company, or just inconveniencing them?

I think he means professionalism, rather than ethics.

It's not unethical to job hop in this manner, but it can be seen as unprofessional. At least in my profession, someone who changes firms too often is usually seen in a negative light. Firms like stability.

[SpiffyJr]

I think some people may be confused. I haven't actually switched jobs yet. The new job is supposed to start March 7th. Does that change things?

[AnticorRifling]

Did you accept an offer from the new company?

[Keller]

Did you accept an offer from the new company?

l2read noob

[AnticorRifling]

Also I have a problem with someone offering me more as I'm leaving. If I was worth that much why the fuck weren't you paying me that before and had to wait until it was going to hurt you?

[AnticorRifling]

l2read noob

I did. This is where he says "I said yes" again so he can answer his own question.

You gave your word. Stick with it. You were obviously looking for a new position for a reason, that or the new position seemed better than your current one so you weren't 100% happy.

[Keller]

I did. This is where he says "I said yes" again so he can answer his own question.

You gave your word. Stick with it. You were obviously looking for a new position for a reason, that or the new position seemed better than your current one so you weren't 100% happy.

He also gave his word to his current employer.

[AnticorRifling]

He also gave his word to his current employer.

I'm betting he didn't promise to stay forever. I'm also going to bet if he did set a minimum time on job he met that before shopping and accepting a position with another company.

[SpiffyJr]

I did. This is where he says "I said yes" again so he can answer his own question.

You gave your word. Stick with it. You were obviously looking for a new position for a reason, that or the new position seemed better than your current one so you weren't 100% happy.

The new job kinda fell into my lap. I wasn't looking for one.

[BriarFox]

In your situation, I think I'd stay at the current job. You like it, your employer values you, you'll make more money, and you have a lot of responsibility and creative control of your "baby." Also, the damage you'll do to them if you leave is greater than what you'll do to the new company, at which you haven't even started yet. Unless you've promised sincerely to start at the new place, or signed a contract that obligates you to take the job, I'd stay.

[AnticorRifling]

The new job kinda fell into my lap. I wasn't looking for one.

Which is where


or the new position seemed better than your current one so you weren't 100% happy.

comes in to play.

[SpiffyJr]

Which is where



comes in to play.

Touche.

[AnticorRifling]

Unless you've promised sincerely to start at the new place, or signed a contract that obligates you to take the job, I'd stay.

He accepted the position...

[SpiffyJr]

He accepted the position...

Yes, I did give them my word. That means a lot to me and I think that pretty much answers the question.

Thanks for the input, everyone.

[AnticorRifling]

Yes, I did give them my word. That means a lot to me and I think that pretty much answers the question.

Thanks for the input, everyone.

100 Light.

[SpiffyJr]

100 Light.

I don't play SWTOR anymore. :(

Part of Wowhead is playing WoW - which I'm finding incredibly hard to do. I find it hard to split my time between two MMO's (even though I've only managed to fly to Orgimmar in WoW).

[SpiffyJr]

I could have swore I was about to quote a post that is no longer here...

Whose playing tricks?

[Liagala]

Guilty. It was pretty pointless given your decision a few posts up.

[SpiffyJr]

Guilty. It was pretty pointless given your decision a few posts up.

Open discussion is never pointless!

[SpiffyJr]

Alright, I told both parties and I feel good - I guess that means I made the right decision. Thanks everyone.

Wife + rest of family + everyone here (for the most part intelligent and level-headed) really helps in a pinch.

[Bhaalizmo]

So, say you're offered a job, you accept, and all is good. A week later your boss decides (without you asking) to offer another 20% over what the new job offered you. Is it ethical to consider the offer? What's the appropriate response to both jobs? This is also a place for me to jot down my thoughts and get some feedback from people that probably have more experience in this situation.


I didn't quote the rest, because I stopped reading after this paragraph.

Yes, it's ethical for you to consider the offer. It would be self depricative of you not to. Just be polite to all parties and burn no bridges. Negotate with both parties, be honest and forthcoming to both. My two cents.

Edit: "20 percent will get me back, 40 percent will anchor me."

[Parkbandit]

So, say you're offered a job, you accept, and all is good. A week later your boss decides (without you asking) to offer another 20% over what the new job offered you. Is it ethical to consider the offer? What's the appropriate response to both jobs? This is also a place for me to jot down my thoughts and get some feedback from people that probably have more experience in this situation.


There is nothing wrong with considering any and all job offers. Whether you have been at the same job for years, or months or not even a day yet.. you should always consider any offer that will give you and your family more money/better benefits/shorter commute/etc...

Work to live.. not live to work.

[AnticorRifling]

See PB and BF do have something in common, both of their posts in this thread say their word doesn't mean anything. :)

[Parkbandit]

See PB and BF do have something in common, both of their posts in this thread say their word doesn't mean anything. :)

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhuk4hLoDi1qaphppo1_500.gif

[AnticorRifling]

Notice PB doesn't deny it. LAWYERED AND SULLIED!

[Parkbandit]

http://gifs.gifbin.com/092009/1253784913_jack_nicholson_fuckyou.gif

[BriarFox]

See PB and BF do have something in common, both of their posts in this thread say their word doesn't mean anything. :)

Really, Anticor?


Unless you've promised sincerely

[AnticorRifling]

HAHA my work here is done.