Random Political Thoughts

[Delirium]

Do you think movies like Farenheit 911 should be allowed in election years? Its basically a political ad against Bush. Now before you say yes what if there was a different movie coming out that made Kerry into an evil doer or Bush to be made into a God?

In the same vein of questioning do you think a reality show that allows someone to run for President should be allowed on tv as well? On Showtime there is a show coming thats called The American Candidate thats coming out and here is the website -->Here. (http://www.americancandidate.com/home.php)Now granted the show is on Showtime so i doubt it would get much viewers there but what if it was on Fox or ABC or something. I can just imagine a 35 year old O-town reject getting elected because so many people watched it and liked their personality or something.

So whats your opinions on this? Do you think its all fine or some restrictions should be put into place? Personally i think something should be done to stop these kinds of things or a rule to make it equal kind of like TV time but for movies. The TV show scares me as well but i dont know what the answer to that would be.

[Galleazzo]

I think we got something like the First Amendment that deals with all of that.

Now Bush, he's running on his record. If he don't like Farenheit 911 he ought to refute it or STFU, but you can't say that folks aren't allowed to call him on his record because it's too partisan.

[DeV]

It should be allowed, and if Bush has real issues with its validity or whatever is being portrayed he should refute it as Galleazzo stated. If they had a movie come out that made Kerry into an evil doer and Bush into a God... I don't see it happening.

[Delirium]

You dont think there are Republican movie makers out there? I was hoping people wouldnt make this into a debate about Bush or Kerry. Just about the issue of political movies being made. It has nothing to do with someone bashing Bush seriously. I know already some really hate Bush and thats fine truly. I kinda wish a Limbaugh or a Hannity would make a movie that showed Bush as a hero just so people could see both sides. Its why i also included the second paragraph so the issue would become more clear.

[DeV]

Political movies should be allowed, period. Tons of ads are advertised on the internet as it is. There are a plethora of television commercials that portray political competitors in a bad light constantly, more so when leading up to an election. If we can have television, radio and internet ads, why not movies...?

[Delirium]

Television and radio ads cost money and there can only be so many cause of the restrictions on how much money each person can give. Plus after the conventions they get what 100 million each and they can ONLY spend that much. But if movies are allowed to slip through a loop hole every election year dont you think eventually more of these kind of movie ads are going to become more abundant and with no restrictions at all on who gives what and all that id bet it becomes ridiculous.

[DeV]

I do agree that there would need to be restrictions put in place, limits to determine how far one could go in making personal attacks on a candidate. Delirium, I concur with you when it comes to how many of these movies may start popping up and agree that it could get out of hand.
Doesn't the first amendment already allow these types of movies to be made? Or no?

[Delirium]

The first amendment must allow for these kind of movies to made,i just think since the cat was let out of the bag with the Moore movie something should be put in place eventually to put restrictions on these types of movies. Even if there is restrictions put in place i wouldnt worry too much if you are liberal since there are much more popular actors in hollywood that agree with you than that agree with me. Altho us good guys probably get guys like Mel Gibson, Bruce Willis and Clint Eastwood :) All the hot women in hollywood though would most likely be on your side. Dang!

[Pallon]

Anyone who immediately accepts the movie as truth without researching the facts themselves was never going to vote for Bush anyway

[Delirium]

Originally posted by Pallon
Anyone who immediately accepts the movie as truth without researching the facts themselves was never going to vote for Bush anyway

I wouldnt be so sure about that. Younger folks(Mtv crowd) who dont follow politics i can easily see seeing a movie like this(Or a pro Bush movie for that fact) and be swayed and assume its true cause of the fact that its made as a documentory. I remember my step daughters telling me all sorts of false things about Bush that they heard at school.

[Ilvane]

Moore actually said that he watches Democrats too, and did the movie as an honest portrayal of what happened.

I have the feeling if Kerry was an idiot as president, he'd be shouting just as loud.:)

I like Michael Moore, only because he isn't afraid to say what he stands for. He's honest, which is more than many of the politicians out there right now can say.

-A

[Ilvane]

Delirium, my sister actually went to a conservative Baptist school, and you should have seen the revisionist history they put into the textbooks there.

It was fascinating to see, because technically the school was not partisian, yet always tried to convince people to vote Republican.

-A

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Delirium
Even if there is restrictions put in place i wouldnt worry too much if you are liberal since there are much more popular actors in hollywood that agree with you than that agree with me. Altho us good guys probably get guys like Mel Gibson, Bruce Willis and Clint Eastwood :) All the hot women in hollywood though would most likely be on your side. Dang!

As opposed to those evil Liberals.

[Delirium]

Originally posted by Ilvane
Moore actually said that he watches Democrats too, and did the movie as an honest portrayal of what happened.

I have the feeling if Kerry was an idiot as president, he'd be shouting just as loud.:)

I like Michael Moore, only because he isn't afraid to say what he stands for. He's honest, which is more than many of the politicians out there right now can say.

-A

I dont know i would go so far as to say he is honest but i will agree he is not shy about saying what he believes. You dont actually believe Moore would do anything like this against democrats do you? That guy is on the fringe of the democratic party and i would wonder if even he knows how far fringe he has gone. I would have as much faith in Moore making a negative democrat film as i would Rush Limbaugh making a negative republican film(which is zero).


Delirium, my sister actually went to a conservative Baptist school, and you should have seen the revisionist history they put into the textbooks there.

It was fascinating to see, because technically the school was not partisian, yet always tried to convince people to vote Republican.

-A

Now imagine if they put out a movie for Bush which made him look like a great leader right before the election. I dont think movies should be political ads until after that particular president is out of office or at the very least not in an election year. Or at the very very very least put restrictions on how much money can be spent on making propaganda like this and work it into the restrictions for money gathered for running for president.


Originally posted by Wezas
As opposed to those evil Liberals.

No no not evil just not the good guys :)

[Jorddyn]

Originally posted by Delirium

Now imagine if they put out a movie for Bush which made him look like a great leader right before the election. I dont think movies should be political ads until after that particular president is out of office or at the very least not in an election year. Or at the very very very least put restrictions on how much money can be spent on making propaganda like this and work it into the restrictions for money gathered for running for president.


Or unrestrict all campaign spending. Allow individuals and businesses to make as large of a non-deductible cointribution as they want to any campaign, and disallow governmental assistance for compaigning. Allow whoever wants to make movies to make movies, regardless of their political nature. Allow whoever wants to pay to see those movies do so.

Besides, if this was a purely political move, why not also make the movie freely downloadable? He'd reach a larger audience.

Jorddyn, not a Moore fan, but doesn't think he's the devil reincarnated as a Democrat either

[Delirium]

Yes unrestricting all campaign spending would also be acceptable to me. Although having to watch non stop political attack ads would start to drive me crazy after a while but i could live with that.


Besides, if this was a purely political move, why not also make the movie freely downloadable? He'd reach a larger audience.

Cause he is still as greedy for money as the people he blasts.

[Jorddyn]

Originally posted by Delirium


Besides, if this was a purely political move, why not also make the movie freely downloadable? He'd reach a larger audience.

Cause he is still as greedy for money as the people he blasts.

So it isn't political, it's monetary. I can't see why we should limit that simply because it is an election year.

Jorddyn

[Delirium]

Everything else about political campaing spending has limits. This seems out of place if each party starts making movies trying to make themselves look good or the other guy bad(like all political ads). Do you really want to have to hear politics at such things like movie awards and each party trying to outdue each other? The annoyance could and probably would go on and on. Bringing politics into mainstream movies is a terrible idea in my opinion. I can only wish that this movie has no effect on the campaign so no republican try to emulate it. I have my doubts though, i remember my step daughter coming home from school and telling me the cops can legally shoot you if you are wearing a swaztika anywhere on you. It took me 20 minutes to make her believe it wasnt true.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Ilvane
I like Michael Moore, ... He's honestIlvane, I <3 ya, but you're KILLING me here. If there is any word that I would never use to describe Moore, it would be honest.

[Artha]

He's very careful not to outright lie. But he is not honest.

[Skirmisher]

Moore is a joke. His movies have a decent idea...but are SO one sided that you have to look at it as comedy, just like a stand up comedian.

They get some great material at re- election time, but i don't really turn to them for my critical decision making information.

I turn to them for entertainment.

Anyone who takes him seriously is simply giving him more credence than he deserves.

[Jorddyn]

Originally posted by Delirium
Everything else about political campaing spending has limits.

This is not part of the campaign. This is a money making venture that happens to be about a political topic.


This seems out of place if each party starts making movies trying to make themselves look good or the other guy bad(like all political ads). Do you really want to have to hear politics at such things like movie awards and each party trying to outdue each other?

If the movie is purely a political ad, it won't likely win movie awards. If the movie is a political ad, do you honestly think that anyone other than the people who already support that party/candidate/idea are going to pay to see it?


The annoyance could and probably would go on and on.

It already does, my friend :)


Bringing politics into mainstream movies is a terrible idea in my opinion.

I think bringing politics more into mainstream anything is a good idea. Why? People are bored, disenchanted, confused, and annoyed with politics so they don't care, and they don't vote. Ditch the "He sucks more than I do" campaigning that both parties are guilty of, make politics fun, make discussions about the issues rather than semantics, and get people excited about having a say in the best country in the world.



I have my doubts though, i remember my step daughter coming home from school and telling me the cops can legally shoot you if you are wearing a swaztika anywhere on you. It took me 20 minutes to make her believe it wasnt true.

:?: She saw this in a movie at school?

Jorddyn, vote for me!

[longshot]

Originally posted by Delirium
Do you think movies like Farenheit 911 should be allowed in election years? Its basically a political ad against Bush. Now before you say yes what if there was a different movie coming out that made Kerry into an evil doer or Bush to be made into a God?

In the same vein of questioning do you think a reality show that allows someone to run for President should be allowed on tv as well? On Showtime there is a show coming thats called The American Candidate thats coming out and here is the website -->Here. (http://www.americancandidate.com/home.php)Now granted the show is on Showtime so i doubt it would get much viewers there but what if it was on Fox or ABC or something. I can just imagine a 35 year old O-town reject getting elected because so many people watched it and liked their personality or something.

So whats your opinions on this? Do you think its all fine or some restrictions should be put into place? Personally i think something should be done to stop these kinds of things or a rule to make it equal kind of like TV time but for movies. The TV show scares me as well but i dont know what the answer to that would be.

It's a movie...

It does not play over public air waves.

You must pay to enter, so the audience is choosing to see said media.

You saying that people are too stupid, and need someone to censor what they can and can't see.

This is an incredibly terrible idea, and I would elaborate the reasons more if you were deserving of it... but you aren't.

[Latrinsorm]

Random Political Thought:

"No Credible Evidence"

edit: Hit the wrong button. :( To continue:

Said by the 9/11 Commission in regards to an Iraq/Al Qaeda link. Bush still insists otherwise. I foresee: Bush, after insisting many times to increasing opposition, busts out Osama, who confirms a link.

[Edited on 6-18-2004 by Latrinsorm]

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Ilvane
Moore actually said that he watches Democrats too, and did the movie as an honest portrayal of what happened.

I have the feeling if Kerry was an idiot as president, he'd be shouting just as loud.:)

I like Michael Moore, only because he isn't afraid to say what he stands for. He's honest, which is more than many of the politicians out there right now can say.

-A

Michael Moore and honest shouldn't be used in the same sentence. Michael Moore is simply trying to profit on the hatred so many Democrats have for Bush... nothing more.

He's a hypocrit and a fat piece of shit who uses his pulpit to push his views.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
Random Political Thought:

"No Credible Evidence"

edit: Hit the wrong button. :( To continue:

Said by the 9/11 Commission in regards to an Iraq/Al Qaeda link. Bush still insists otherwise. I foresee: Bush, after insisting many times to increasing opposition, busts out Osama, who confirms a link.

[Edited on 6-18-2004 by Latrinsorm]

The 9-11 commission said there was no evidence of Iraq's participation in 9-11. Bush has never said there was to my knowledge. He simply says there have been communications between the two parties.

According to the evidence as we have it currently.. they are both correct.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by Ilvane
I like Michael Moore, ... He's honestIlvane, I <3 ya, but you're KILLING me here. If there is any word that I would never use to describe Moore, it would be honest.

Ilvane, as much as my politics I think tend to run along similar lines to yours, I just cannot agree here. I saw Columbine, and as much as I agree there are way too many guns in the US, i thought they way he went about some of his interview technique and editing was lacking.

I think that he is so adamant about his beliefs that he perhaps does not take that extra step to ensure the appearance of impartiality and maybe even sometimes ignores facets of the situation that are not advantageous to his cause.

It made me feel like he was in a sense smirking the whole time, a kind of "I'm so much smarter than you are" kind of feeling. Maybe I read too much into it, but I just find him the kind of person that has some things to say, but his message can get lost in manner it is conveyed.

[Wezas]

I guess we'll never know, seeing as Bush won't speak under oath, have any recording devices present, or speak without the puppet-master Cheney.

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
The 9-11 commission said there was no evidence of Iraq's participation in 9-11. Bush has never said there was to my knowledge. He simply says there have been communications between the two parties.

According to the evidence as we have it currently.. they are both correct.

The White House doesn't seem to agree with you:

A long link (http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=6358D63F-5D58-47CF-9AEE9847F5917A18)

Raven