Game of Thrones season 2 thread

[Drew]

One minute trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rOzXsqoJhtE

So excited! Nice to see what Melisandre looks like.

[Misun]

Shivers. I can't wait.

[Atlanteax]

Hopefully February and March fly by for GoTs to arrive.

[Eoghain]

I want the Khaleesi to fuck shit up. Will there be any more magical type shit? I'm sad she burned that witch. That bitch was awesome.

[Bhaalizmo]

Yeah I'm hoping for more magical stuff, mythical creatures and whatnot, but I'd be ok with more barbaric sex and random acts of violence. Best mideval fantasy show evar.

[Drew]

Other than the dragons pretty much all the magic in season 2 will be "do you believe it's magic or not?" type stuff.

[crb]

There is a little shifter stuff north of the wall that is magical.

[Drew]

Yeah we're debating a fine point but at least in book 2 I wasn't sure if that was supposed to be magical or the characters just thought it was. I wonder how explicit the tv show will be about it.

[Gizmo]

So, as a person who never read any GoT crap, or saw much of season 1....Is it not a bad idea to grab the entire season on DVD if what you did see in episodes, interested you?

Or would I be lost as to the story since I never read any of the books? I saw the trailer on HBO the other night, but that was one of those free month of premium channels i don't otherwise get crap for Jan. So I'd prolly have to order DVDs of Season 2 as well eventually if I do like it

[Blazar]

The show tells the story just fine as far as I can tell. I've never read the books but love the show and will be reading the books some time in the near future. You should definitely watch it, the show is bad ass.

[Some Rogue]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/418924_10150584501638205_76967918204_9124519_32772 8931_n.jpg

[Androidpk]

http://i42.tinypic.com/28chonq.jpg

[SHAFT]

I started reading book 2 a couple of weeks ago as finished it quickly. It's an easy read and hard to stop once you get going. I'm curious to see how they pull off melisandre's magical moments.

[Gizmo]

Downloaded the whole season last night, I plan on starting it tonight if the Super Bowl is boring, and the commercials blow.

[SHAFT]

Downloaded the whole season last night, I plan on starting it tonight if the Super Bowl is boring, and the commercials blow.

Have you read/watched the first book yet? It really picks up in book 2.

[Lady Lightning]

Read and loved them all, even if they aren't as good as "The Name of the Wind."

http://mlkshk.com/r/8QMB

[Gizmo]

Have you read/watched the first book yet? It really picks up in book 2.

No, does this mean I have to actually start reading those things with words in them again? Bah!

[Revalos]

What if Disney made season 2 of Game of Thrones?

http://io9.com/5890300/what-if-disney-made-game-of-thrones

I'm almost halfway through book 5. I really really really recommend reading the books before you watch the show. The show can give you a lot of what is going on visually in the book but you miss like 50% of the mindfucking that goes on behind the scenes.

[Drew]

New trailer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV3RflsNxak

[Skeeter]

damn april can't get here fast enough.

[Hulkein]

w00t w00t

[Drew]

http://io9.com/5890410/watch-the-simpsons-game-of-thrones-intro?tag=gameofthrones

[SHAFT]

I wanna see Sansa's teets

[Skeeter]

the actress is 16 and in the show like 12-14. pedo-rific

[Hulkein]

Yeah that is weird.

[SHAFT]

the actress is 16 and in the show like 12-14. pedo-rific

I thought she was older. Whoops

[Drew]

That's legal in Europe.

[Tenlaar]

At the start of the books she's 11, they were all aged I think 3 years for the HBO series.

Whatever you think of the morality of it, 16 year olds can have great tits.

[SHAFT]

I figured most actors and actresses who play younger characters are usually way older. Most of the breakfast club were in their mid 20's.

[Gompers]

Admitting you have a problem is the first step of recovery.

[Nieninque]

That's legal in Europe.

Incorrect

[leifastagsweed]

Finished the books, rewatched the entire first series, cannot WAIT for 4/1 to see Tyrion kick some ass. Yes, I acquiesce, that dwarf is a bad ass!

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltom2xWiJX1qa6zaho1_500.jpg

[DoctorUnne]

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/aefc0a521e/sunday-is-coming?rel=player

[Androidpk]

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/aefc0a521e/sunday-is-coming?rel=player

:lol2:

[Skeeter]

that was awful. cupcakes were cool though.

[SHAFT]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=57091

Some clips from season 2

[bluesmith]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=57091

Some clips from season 2


nice -- thanks for tracking down and sharing!

[SHAFT]

nice -- thanks for tracking down and sharing!

Say nothing of it

[Eoghain]

word. that was awesome.

[Androidpk]

Sunday sunday sunday!!

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Yesterday I found out the actress who plays Cersei also played Leonidas' wife in 300. It made me like her about 1% better.

[Delias]

Yesterday I found out the actress who plays Cersei also played Leonidas' wife in 300. It made me like her about 1% better.

She also played a lesbian florist in "Imagine Me and You". It was a cute movie.

[Kitsun]

Yesterday I found out the actress who plays Cersei also played Leonidas' wife in 300. It made me like her about 1% better.

She also played Sara Conner in the Terminator TV series.

[Androidpk]

She also played Sara Conner in the Terminator TV series.

And was totally badass too.

[SHAFT]

I cannot wait to see how they handle the stannis and renley meeting in the tent

[Kitsun]

That episode felt way too short.

It is nice to see the scenes they added in that weren't in the book.

[Rimalon]

I can't wait to see the Asha/Theon meeting.

Just can't wait.

[Atlanteax]

That episode felt way too short.

It is nice to see the scenes they added in that weren't in the book.

Too much of it was taken up by the man marrying his daughters.

At least they did a decent job of giving every to-be-major-season-2 character (Rob Snow, Stannis Barathon, Tyrion, Daenerys) enough time and indications of their near-term 'moves' so you are left wondering what happens next.

[Lord Orbstar]

I want to see Renly have gay sex again.

[Izalude]

**POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT**














I'm looking forward to seeing how they portray Melisandre's magic in that castle that Stannis sieges prior to the Renly meeting, as well as the battle for King's Landing.

[Menos]

I just hope the series is so popular they'll feel inspired to make a Malazan Book of the Fallen series too. I hate GRRM's books. What can I say, I need a good guy to win (not die in some pointless and painful fashion) from time to time.

[Drew]

I just hope the series is so popular they'll feel inspired to make a Malazan Book of the Fallen series too. I hate GRRM's books. What can I say, I need a good guy to win (not die in some pointless and painful fashion) from time to time.

This is weird because you play for the bad team in Gemstone.

[Menos]

This is weird because you play for the bad team in Gemstone.

Well, you sort of have me with that one. I might quibble and say he is more neutral than bad, but I cannot argue with the fact that he is not a good guy. At least he is fighting for an outside source and not just for his own advancement.

I do like Martin's writing style and absolutely love the world he created, but every book of his reads like the middle one in a trilogy. You can't just keep going lower and lower (with tiny up bumps) and keep me interested. It has to start off, go down, then come back up. He burns up too much of my reading energy with characters that toil and toil and never succeed. I want that suffering to payoff.

[Drew]

HBO just picked up Game of Thrones for a third season.

[Atlanteax]

HBO just picked up Game of Thrones for a third season.

Awesome news!

This likely could go for far longer than 3 seasons, no? Perhaps 5-6?

[Back]

I wasn't excited about the new season but they hooked me again. Such a great show. So many great characters.

The brother feeling up his sister on the horseride to his father's castle? LOL!

[crb]

I can't wait for the scene with Davos and Melisandre in the boat, you know of what I speak. I'm hoping HBO really pushes the horrific envelope on that one. It should be nice and shocking. Sad how they're trimming Arya's story so much though. She has such an interesting journey.

[Kitsun]

I was a little sad that they changed around the Greyjoy reunion.

[SHAFT]

I was a little sad that they changed around the Greyjoy reunion.

The show was pretty identical to what I had imagined it all to look like in the book. Even Yara. They did a great job visualizing all of that.

The scene with Davos and Melisandre is gonna be epic. I can't imagine they tone it down. They've had no trouble showing the shocking scenes.

[Drew]

I was a little sad that they changed around the Greyjoy reunion.

That was pretty much how I remembered it, what changed (other than her being named Yara)?

[SHAFT]

Theon should have pulled her titty out

[Ryvicke]

Isn't the biggest departure from the book Melisandre seducing Stannis and promising to bear him children? I don't recall this happening at any point through book 5, unless I'm really forgetting shit. Also based on her speech seems like Staniss' stone-face daughter doesn't exist, and possibly neither does Robert's storm bastard. Completely changes the motivation of the Melisandre character in just about every way, no?

[Drew]

Yeah it definitely seems like Patchfoot and Shireen are probably out. No big deal there. I think the Stannis love scene is just going to seal her control over him considering what she births later.

[Liagala]

I don't know which book it comes out in, but I'm sure I remember reading at some point that the thing Melisandre births came from banging Stannis.

[Ryvicke]

I don't know which book it comes out in, but I'm sure I remember reading at some point that the thing Melisandre births came from banging Stannis.

Really? I really don't remember this at all. It changes the Stannis/Melisandre characters quite a bit in my mind and takes away a lot of what I think to be their defining characteristics.

[Drew]

Yeah I think it's at least heavily implied in the novels.

[Ryvicke]

Yeah I think it's at least heavily implied in the novels.

Okay I read up on some Ice and Fire boards that this is somewhat an issue of contention, but pretty much everyone agrees that it's alluded to, if not said outright. It does seem weird that GRRM doesn't just talk about their sex like all the other sex, but I guess I can deal with it.

[4a6c1]

HBO won't let me TiVo this, wtf?

[DoctorUnne]

I'm happy they made it explicit so we could see Melisandre naked

[Liagala]

HBO won't let me TiVo this, wtf?
Go to HBOgo.com.

[4a6c1]

2 clicks sounds like a lot of effort. I want to use my tivo. Why cant I use my tivo. /tantrum

[crb]

I don't know which book it comes out in, but I'm sure I remember reading at some point that the thing Melisandre births came from banging Stannis.
Yes, this.

They changed the greyjoy reunion slightly. Originally the Damphair meets him as I recall, then later the revelation of Asha/Yara is more accidental, matter of fact, in the courtyard, not as melodramatically over the top as how they did it (which I didn't like... dum dum dum here is your sister! (Yara stomps over and stands besides her father as if to pose)).

I'm sure it was all done for convenience, but it tells.

I still wish they'd make it 12 episodes instead of 10, it still feels rushed, cramped, as if just 20% more time would give 200% more quality.

Direwolves look surprisingly good. Hope Rose Leslie (Ygritte) gets a nice nude scene in the cave, amiright?

[Atlanteax]

Meh, 10 episodes, and then we'll have to wait another entire year...

I guess at least the HBO series will be "ending" about the same time the last book is released?

[Liagala]

Direwolves look surprisingly good.
This caught me completely off guard. I had written them off as a bad job last season, when they had ordinary dogs in there. It never occurred to me that they would use dogs for half-grown pups and then find gigantic direwolf-looking ones for the adult versions. That was a very pleasant surprise in the first episode this season.

[Drew]

This caught me completely off guard. I had written them off as a bad job last season, when they had ordinary dogs in there. It never occurred to me that they would use dogs for half-grown pups and then find gigantic direwolf-looking ones for the adult versions. That was a very pleasant surprise in the first episode this season.

You realize those weren't an actual real animal, right?

[Liagala]

You realize those weren't an actual real animal, right?
No, I didn't. Now I am back to being disappointed. :(

[Some Rogue]

You realize those weren't an actual real animal, right?

Wut?

Are you saying they were cgi? They used Northern Inuit dogs to play the direwolves.

[Ryvicke]

I think it might be half and half... the one in episode 1 that snapped at Jaime was definitely CGI (at least during the snap). There was a shot of Ghost (I think) that looked like a very real dog. I agree though that the shots have looked way better than I thought they were going to look having seen the commercial during March Madness about 1,000 times and thinking the "snapping at Jaime" cut they put in it looked really horrible.

[Bhaalizmo]

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2gtmwS32T1qcv9zpo1_500.jpg

[Drew]

I enjoyed the last episode the most of this season, I love any Tyrion scenes and him putting his schemes to work were awesome.

[Back]

I enjoyed the last episode the most of this season, I love any Tyrion scenes and him putting his schemes to work were awesome.

Aye, I concur. His crafty manipulation of the King's court is both ribald and cunning. Such clever wit is wielded to parry the lethargic lumbering of an acrimonious aristocracy asleep to its own infighting.

And tits.

[SHAFT]

Renley's wife is so incredibly lovely and he doesn't appreciate her. Sigh

[Drew]

That's twice now, if you watched the Tudors.

[Atlanteax]

I enjoyed the last episode the most of this season, I love any Tyrion scenes and him putting his schemes to work were awesome.

I really look forward to seeing the confrontation over Joeffry's poisoning, and between him and Tywin/Shae (and how he visually reacts to his brother).

(sorry, I figured there was a spoilers disclaimer implied...)

[Drew]

YOUR POST

Uhh, maybe white this out? A lot of people haven't read the books.

[diethx]

That white is still visible on the standard-issue light blue background. I don't mind it being spoiled though, for me at least. I hope it hurts a lot and we get to see every bit of it.

[Drew]

I can't really see the white without either really staring at it or highlighting it.

[SHAFT]

Poor Lommy, he was an adventurer until he took an arrow to the knee.

[Drew]

Poor Lommy, he was an adventurer until he took an arrow to the knee.

Is the arrow to the knee a Skyrim thing? I've kind of gathered that but I'm not sure, I just hear it all the time.

[diethx]

Yes.

[Drew]

Brief explanation?

[diethx]

An npc says it.

[Ryvicke]

Brief explanation?

There are these canned bits of conversation that NPC's in Skyrim say as you walk past them, but the NPC's all over the world all say the same thing so it's kind of funny.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-took-an-arrow-in-the-knee

[Drew]

Well, that was brief.



EDIT: Thank you Ryvicke.

[Ryvicke]

Also re: the topic of GoT season 2: I love the show while I'm watching it but can't help thinking it's just missing something. Like the feeling of the land at war is just gone, Daenerys has had 5 minutes of sitting and crying in the sand (especially after ending season 1 with her huge dragon reveal) spread out over 3 episodes. It's just too many cross-cutting stories to come together as a thematic or emotional whole.

[Atlanteax]

at tonight's episode:

Heh, I think Davos forgot his training as a Lamaze coach when Melisandre was 'giving birth' at the end...

[Back]

The fuck just happened?

[Liagala]

The fuck just happened?


Scroll down a bunch, spoilers.













































Remember when Melisandre and Stannis got it on last week or the week before? Through her magic she "conceived" this shadow thingy. It does bad stuff next week."
Why are code windows so tall??

Also, that scene with Joffrey and the hookers was totally not in the books. Was it?

[Drew]

A lot stuff this week that deviated from the books. The Rob scenes are all new, Tywin Lannister instead of Roose Bolton in Harrenhal, Littlefinger in Renly's camp, the Joffrey hooker scene.

[SHAFT]

Been waiting for the shadow birth. Was kinda hot

[RSR]

A lot stuff this week that deviated from the books. The Rob scenes are all new, Tywin Lannister instead of Roose Bolton in Harrenhal, Littlefinger in Renly's camp, the Joffrey hooker scene.

Tywin Lannister in Harrenhal is not different than the books. He was there with Arya before he left it in the hands of Amory Lorch and Vargo Hoat.

-Richard.

[Drew]

I don't believe he made Arya his cup bearer though?

[Nieninque]

I don't believe he made Arya his cup bearer though?

No. When he was at Harrenhal Arya was working in the kitchens. It was Bolton who made her cup bearer.

[Drew]

No. When he was at Harrenhal Arya was working in the kitchens. It was Bolton who made her cup bearer.

Yeah. Had we not seen Roose in this episode I would have figured they were going to cut him out altogether.

[Nieninque]

http://skyatlantic.sky.com/game-of-thrones/game-of-thrones-uncut-sophie-turner-interview

[Liagala]

We're sorry, this video can only be viewed from within the UK and Ireland.

:(

[Nieninque]

Owned

[Androidpk]

:(

Here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v1qs4WA1Vg

[Showal]

http://theuniblog.evilspacerobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/gameofthronesjoffrey.png

[Skeeter]

The little shit that plays Joffery in the show does an excellent job portraying him as an evil sadistic fuck.

[Revalos]

http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2012/04/Game-Of-Thrones-Sex-1333351709.jpg

[DoctorUnne]

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/erikkain/files/2012/04/game-of-thrones-candidates.jpg
Always going on about climate change is brilliant.

[diethx]

Always going on about climate change is brilliant.

Yessss. That's comedy gold, nice find.

[Liagala]

Always going on about climate change is brilliant.
It was just mildly entertaining until I got to that line. Then it suddenly became awesome.

[DoctorUnne]

Damn I fucked up and left the last one off.

http://saintpetersblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/game-of-thrones2.png

[SHAFT]

Wtf? What happened with daenarys and the dragons I do not recall happening in the book. Makes me wonder if they're skipping the house of the undying ordeal.

[Androidpk]

You acted surprised that there are differences between the book and the show.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

You acted surprised that there are differences between the book and the show.

Well, if Jon Snow is who I think he is as far as who his mom and dad are (from the books), not including Dany's experience with the House of Undying could get a little awkward later. That being said, I'm trying to just take the show as it is and not get too wrapped up in it being book-accurate.

[SHAFT]

You acted surprised that there are differences between the book and the show.

It blew me away dude! Everything has been so spot on so far.

Apparently the house of the undying will be shown. Everyone can relax

[Back]

Last night's episode was horrible. It was like watching a really bad horror movie. The acting was just about porno quality. I can only surmise that there was a newbie or otherwise horrible director this week. The concepts were handled in a very juvenile way. Its was super eye-roll/cringe worthy.

[Back]

And if I have to hear about how that dude made his way from nothing to the richest man of whereverthefuck again I'm going to lose my mind.

[Atlanteax]

And if I have to hear about how that dude made his way from nothing to the richest man of whereverthefuck again I'm going to lose my mind.

Yea, no one wants to hear about how hard dedicated work pays off.

[Liagala]

You acted surprised that there are differences between the book and the show.
You're awesome at being an antagonistic prick, you know that? Then again, so is most of the PC.

Anyway... yes, we are kinda surprised. The first season was almost word-for-word what happened in the books. It made us expect that the show would continue to mirror the novels. This season, it seems that every episode brings yet another, "WTF? Where did that come from?" moment. Almost every character's story has been fucked with in one form or another this season, and it's kinda throwing us off after the accuracy they showed before.

[Atlanteax]

Anyway... yes, we are kinda surprised. The first season was almost word-for-word what happened in the books. It made us expect that the show would continue to mirror the novels. This season, it seems that every episode brings yet another, "WTF? Where did that come from?" moment. Almost every character's story has been fucked with in one form or another this season, and it's kinda throwing us off after the accuracy they showed before.

I'm surprised and a little let-down too, considering how Season 1 played out.

I'll grant that Joffrey and the cruelty to the whores was an 'interesting' addition ... but after last night, it seems like they're taking too much liberty in modifying the scenes.

Case in point, Sansa being the rape target during the riot.

However, I will have to say that so far, it 'works' in the sense that the focus is on the characters that they *do* have involved.

Joffrey is more easily identified as the villain we hope will die soon, reinforces the perception of Sansa being a victim of circumstances, etc.

[Back]

Yea, no one wants to hear about how hard dedicated work pays off.

He's as boring as you are. Every time he opens his mouth its always the same story.

[Kitsun]

I'm enjoying this season but they're changing the nuances of each character in ways that I don't think the writers really intend.

Arya: She was supposed to be in a tough, day to day struggle of drudgery while she has use of the assassin; so much so she forgets there is a larger war to be fought. If Tywin is standing right in front of her every single day, why doesn't she have her personal assassin off the primary target? It was explained in the books by having her fear for herself or being abused every moment of the day. It's such a backhand that they're having Tywin call her smart too.

Jon Snow: The whole Ygritte situation in the book was supposed to demonstrate what kind of man Jon was to Half-Hand. Sparing her life but leaving her out of position to do anything meaningful. Instead in the show he looks incompetent.

Dany: She was supposed to be smarter and recognize that there were no allies in Westeros waiting to rise up for the rightful heir to the throne. That she'd be dumb enough to throw that as a reason to ally with her makes her seem silly and as idiotic as her brother.

[Androidpk]

I'm enjoying this season but they're changing the nuances of each character in ways that I don't think the writers really intend.

Arya: She was supposed to be in a tough, day to day struggle of drudgery while she has use of the assassin; so much so she forgets there is a larger war to be fought. If Tywin is standing right in front of her every single day, why doesn't she have her personal assassin off the primary target? It was explained in the books by having her fear for herself or being abused every moment of the day. It's such a backhand that they're having Tywin call her smart too.

Jon Snow: The whole Ygritte situation in the book was supposed to demonstrate what kind of man Jon was to Half-Hand. Sparing her life but leaving her out of position to do anything meaningful. Instead in the show he looks incompetent.

Dany: She was supposed to be smarter and recognize that there were no allies in Westeros waiting to rise up for the rightful heir to the throne. That she'd be dumb enough to throw that as a reason to ally with her makes her seem silly and as idiotic as her brother.

You're thinking of the books too much, stop doing that. Also, I'm not sure if we're actually watching the same TV show. To say that Arya isn't in a position where she is struggling and fearful for her life is wrong. Same thing with your assessment of Snow and Daenerys.

[diethx]

I'm so glad I haven't read the books... now I can just enjoy the show for what it is. lol

To be fair though, it's been a bit slow this season. I hope it picks up...

[Androidpk]

You're awesome at being an antagonistic prick, you know that? Then again, so is most of the PC.

Anyway... yes, we are kinda surprised. The first season was almost word-for-word what happened in the books. It made us expect that the show would continue to mirror the novels. This season, it seems that every episode brings yet another, "WTF? Where did that come from?" moment. Almost every character's story has been fucked with in one form or another this season, and it's kinda throwing us off after the accuracy they showed before.

I'll take that as a compliment even though this time I wasn't trying to be one. It has always confused me when people get upset over these differences. Having done video editing before I know that having to cut material, while tough, is absolutely necessary, for the sake of time and keeping a hold of peoples (incredibly short) attention span.

[Kitsun]

You're thinking of the books too much, stop doing that.

Probably.


Also, I'm not sure if we're actually watching the same TV show. To say that Arya isn't in a position where she is struggling and fearful for her life is wrong. Same thing with your assessment of Snow and Daenerys.

Meh.

Fuck you, you're wrong.

[Androidpk]

Meh.

Fuck you, you're wrong.

Probably :)

[Androidpk]

On a serious note I love the way the two beheading scenes contrasted with one another.

[SHAFT]

On a serious note I love the way the two beheading scenes contrasted with one another.

Yeah, I was just thinking about Theon's scene. I think they've done a good job with his storyline. He's done a complete 180.

Theon was there when Ned beheaded the Night's Watch deserter, so he saw Ned do it the right way. Granted Ned had a much larger sword.

[Kitsun]

I laughed when he Theon had to kick the head off.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Jon Snow: The whole Ygritte situation in the book was supposed to demonstrate what kind of man Jon was to Half-Hand. Sparing her life but leaving her out of position to do anything meaningful. Instead in the show he looks incompetent.

Dany: She was supposed to be smarter and recognize that there were no allies in Westeros waiting to rise up for the rightful heir to the throne. That she'd be dumb enough to throw that as a reason to ally with her makes her seem silly and as idiotic as her brother.

These 2 in particular bothered me.

I will say I don't object at all to Sansa being targeted for the rape, since it set up Sandor to rescue her when all the other Kingswatch simply didn't care. I think the "connection" between them two is a very pivotal point in Sansa's development as a character (and the Hound's too).

[diethx]

Maybe someone who read the books can explain this to me. How is it possible that Lady Stark doesn't seem all that concerned about her daughters? Did she hate them in the books or something? She doesn't even know where Arya is and it doesn't seem as though she's made much effort to find out.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Maybe someone who read the books can explain this to me. How is it possible that Lady Stark doesn't seem all that concerned about her daughters? Did she hate them in the books or something? She doesn't even know where Arya is and it doesn't seem as though she's made much effort to find out.

In the books, she is concerned. That being said, she's one of my least favorite characters (books or show) so I don't really know. In the books she tried to balance it with counseling Robb and worrying over Bran and Rickon.. in the show the most you've really seen of it is her conversation with Brienne.

Edit: This is without spoiling stuff that I think will come much later.

[SHAFT]

Maybe someone who read the books can explain this to me. How is it possible that Lady Stark doesn't seem all that concerned about her daughters? Did she hate them in the books or something? She doesn't even know where Arya is and it doesn't seem as though she's made much effort to find out.

You'll see how much she cares for her daughters. Might not be until next season though.

[Liagala]

Note - spoilers in parenthases

I agree with some of the changes - the Sansa thing for the reason Nikki mentioned, and the scene with Joffrey and the hookers to really drive home what a sadistic fuck he is. Changing Jaqen H'ghar's god to the Red God instead of the God of Many Faces is decent enough too. I know it sort of changes things later on, but there are so many gods floating around as-is, it's tough to keep track if all you see is the show. I actually like the bit with Robb and the girl - it seemed like (his wife comes out of nowhere in the books). This may be different, but I actually like it better than the original. It won't interfere with future events, and seems a little more realistic.

I see no point whatsoever in the switch with Jon and Ygritte though. I'm not sure how they get from where they are now to (Halfhand ordering Jon to kill him and Jon defecting (under orders) to the wildlings). It seems like they're leading up to Jon doing it, but without orders. That changes him a lot from the books. I have no idea where they're going with Dany's stolen dragons, unless it's how they decided to deal with (Mormont's betrayal - instead of feeding info to Westeros, he had her dragons kidnapped?) No idea there, just guessing really.

[Kitsun]

Catelyn Stark does care about her daughters. Last episode, Littlefinger seems to make mention of a deal from the Lannisters for both of them.

While she cares, she makes the assumption that Arya is with her sister, Sansa. They're leagues away, across hostile war-ridden country and in the heart of the enemy's forces, so there is no way for Cat to check. I think the assumption is that the Stark girls should be treated with 'care' considering they're children, valuable to the Starks, being held as collateral against Jaime, they're also the heirs if the other Stark children are all killed so wedding fodder.

[diethx]

To be fair, I don't care if you spoil it for me. Others might though. Does she give her life for them or something? I should hope so, considering that's about all she can do to make up for the fact that she's made zero efforts to save them. lol

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Diethx!

Lady Stark and her daughters:


In the book, Lady Stark is killed later on during an event known as the red wedding,
and is reanimated by a Red Priest into Lady Stoneheart. She's basically a... lich?
Undead thing of sorts who cares nothing except for exacting her revenge on those who
kept her daughters from her- she's pretty hardcore. Her care for her sons seems to be
non-existent at all at that point, her focus entirely on the fact that Sansa and Arya
were not returned to safety.

Then to Lia, re: Robb's flirtation with the girl




I have a problem with it in so far as in the books there's
a very strong undercurrent that their love was manufactured and the result of love
potions and not something born mutually. The meeting of his wife's family with the
Lannisters following Robb's death at the red wedding and the way they were spared
for "doing their part", coupled with when earlier Tywin told Jaime that the letter he
was writing was "winning a war" after a conversation about love and personal
relationships, made it pretty obvious to me that Robb's impromptu wedding that
sparked the red wedding was a very calculated and cruel move on the part of the
Lannisters and the Westerlings. I guess I would find it kind of sad if they cut out
this particularly crafty bit of political wheeling and dealing.

[Liagala]

Then to Lia, re: Robb's flirtation with the girl
I totally missed that whole thing in the books. I just saw it as a "Robb's young and dumb" type thing, which is why the show version seems to be better. Even with the info you gave though, I can still see changing it. So much happens to so many people in the books, you need to cut a lot out for TV. The Lannisters do quite well at being assholes in many ways - leaving one or two out doesn't really detract from them much.

[Kitsun]

I totally missed that whole thing in the books. I just saw it as a "Robb's young and dumb" type thing, which is why the show version seems to be better. Even with the info you gave though, I can still see changing it. So much happens to so many people in the books, you need to cut a lot out for TV. The Lannisters do quite well at being assholes in many ways - leaving one or two out doesn't really detract from them much.

You're not the only one that missed that.



I always thought Tywin's letters were to the Boltons and Freys. The conversation between Tywin and Jaime were about how they were able to turn the Freys so easily after the insult. I always figured the girl and her family just bartered out for their lives and the holding the heir to Winterfell.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I totally missed that whole thing in the books. I just saw it as a "Robb's young and dumb" type thing, which is why the show version seems to be better. Even with the info you gave though, I can still see changing it. So much happens to so many people in the books, you need to cut a lot out for TV. The Lannisters do quite well at being assholes in many ways - leaving one or two out doesn't really detract from them much.

This is true, it just makes Robb seem less of a politically retarded dumbass and more a victim of treachery.

[Androidpk]

Listen. Why not just make a thread specifically FOR spoilers instead of this cloak and dagger shit.



Catelyn Stark does care about her daughters. Last episode, Littlefinger seems to make mention of a deal from the Lannisters for both of them.

While she cares, she makes the assumption that Arya is with her sister, Sansa. They're leagues away, across hostile war-ridden country and in the heart of the enemy's forces, so there is no way for Cat to check. I think the assumption is that the Stark girls should be treated with 'care' considering they're children, valuable to the Starks, being held as collateral against Jaime, they're also the heirs if the other Stark children are all killed so wedding fodder.

So we agree on some things at least.

[Fallen]

Huh. I thought this last episode was one of the better in the series. The differences don't bother me too much as it has been a while since I read the earlier books in the series. The food riot scene in particular was excellent.

[Androidpk]

Huh. I thought this last episode was one of the better in the series. The differences don't bother me too much as it has been a while since I read the earlier books in the series. The food riot scene in particular was excellent.

Same, I've only read the first 3 books and not since they came out so the differences mean nothing to me, I'm really enjoying the show for what it is.

[Gizmo]

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones

[Luftstreitkräfte]

http://i.imgur.com/khOdg.gif

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

People on tumblr are losing their fucking minds at Theon.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr9z8pPPsM1qafrh6.gif

I don't think I've lol'd at other people's rage this hard since Eddard lost his head.

[Androidpk]

You must have a very boring life.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

You must have a very boring life.

I never claimed otherwise

*world's tiniest violin plays softly in the background*

[4a6c1]

Skinny pale dude on message board sez "U HAZ BORING LYFE!"

Hilarious. I love you internets.

[Androidpk]

Skinny pale dude on message board sez "U HAZ BORING LYFE!"

Hilarious. I love you internets.

It was just an observation! My life is pretty dull too, though I could have sworn that I was in possession of the world's tiniest violin.

[Back]

It was just an observation! My life is pretty dull too, though I could have sworn that I was in possession of the world's tiniest violin.

Is that what you call that thing you won't stop playing with?

[Androidpk]

Is that what you call that thing you won't stop playing with?

No, I call that your moms clit.

[Back]

HA! Like you would know what to do with one if you could find it... like John Snow.

Much better episode this week. Stark (pun) contrast in story telling and direction from last week's b-movie fumbling. Some really intense moments. Beautifully shot.

They showed charred children's bodies at the end... a ruse or the real deal?

[Showal]

HA! Like you would know what to do with one if you could find it... like John Snow.

Much better episode this week. Stark (pun) contrast in story telling and direction from last week's b-movie fumbling. Some really intense moments. Beautifully shot.

They showed charred children's bodies at the end... a ruse or the real deal?

I had to pause it a few times. I had ice cream last night and I've become lactose intolerant. I kept having diarrhea.

Other than that, it was a good episode. DO YOU THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING TO BRAN SAYING THAT FARM HAD TWO BOYS THAT HE SENT THERE FROM WINTERFELL AND THEN TWO BOYS WERE HUNG AND BURNED? COINCIDENCE??????????????????????????????????????? ???? This show needs more shadow monsters growing out of vaginas.

[Taernath]

The cliffhanger of the last episode (at least, I think it was the last episode, I might have missed one) was pretty dumb. Daenaeraeyaeaes never got her dragons stolen in the book, and only came off as a whiny bitch in the series.

[Androidpk]

HA! Like you would know what to do with one if you could find it... like John Snow.

Well then your clit should be safe.

[diethx]

Well then your clit should be safe.

+1 for jokes about Back's tiny penis
-1 for joke-suggesting you'd actually touch his mom

I guess in the end, it all evens out.

[Androidpk]

+1 for jokes about Back's tiny penis
-1 for joke-suggesting you'd actually touch his mom

I guess in the end, it all evens out.

Don't make me give you a Tony Danza.

[g++]

I kinda stopped watching 4 episodes ago who all is dead now?

[Androidpk]

Off the top of my head.. Renly Baratheon and Ser Rodrik (master-at-arms of Winterfell.)

[g++]

Robb's still kicking?

[Androidpk]

Robb's still kicking?

He is.

[Gizmo]

Robb's still kicking?

Yes

[diethx]

Don't make me give you a Tony Danza.

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk0kuk3nAQ1qz8gt5o1_400.jpg

[AnticorRifling]

Angela looks like shit in that picture.

[Ryvicke]

This show is getting pretty bad. Production values still through the roof excellent. Benioff and Weiss can't script an interesting hour of television--kudos to them as showrunners, getting this off the ground was a feat, but they are not tv writers. I keep watching because I think it's going to be the Martin episode and then it's just horribly plotted sloggy trash.

[SHAFT]

This show is getting pretty bad. Production values still through the roof excellent. Benioff and Weiss can't script an interesting hour of television--kudos to them as showrunners, getting this off the ground was a feat, but they are not tv writers. I keep watching because I think it's going to be the Martin episode and then it's just horribly plotted sloggy trash.

Yeah I'm not really enjoying this season. Maybe they should bring Ned back from the dead. They've veered away from the original story quite a bit already, so I don't think a ghoul-Ned would be that bad.

[Androidpk]

To each his own I suppose, I've enjoyed every episode so far. I think it's a good idea to veer a little bit, keeps things interesting.

[SHAFT]

To each his own I suppose, I've enjoyed every episode so far. I think it's a good idea to veer a little bit, keeps things interesting.

What're the chances they bring back headless Ned?

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

To each his own I suppose, I've enjoyed every episode so far. I think it's a good idea to veer a little bit, keeps things interesting.

I agree with this.

Part of me gets really frustrated with certain plot points (Robb) but I'm kind of treating it like the Walking Dead as far as just trying to keep the 2 mediums separate entities in my head. Much easier for me to enjoy it that way.

[Tenlaar]

The latest episode was the one to finally make me think "What the fuck are they doing to these awesome books?"

I've been fine with the little deviations here and there but it's just going too far off now and it's starting to really bother me. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if the new stuff seemed even close to as good as how it was originally.

[the fat white duke]

I'm fine with what they're doing.

Television is a different media with a set of constraints, limitations, and expectations that are different from those of a novel.

Deviation from the books should be expected and accepted.

[Ryvicke]

I really don't mind the deviation from the books in any way. They've failed to introduce interesting themes or really any likable characters. Great modern television writing (let's say Mad Men, The Wire or Deadwood) gives you some thematic element to play with in your mind every episode, a small rise-and-fall over 60 minutes that doesn't disrupt the season's arc. GoT has so much crosscutting shit to pile on and writers that just aren't able to add emotional beats on top of the story purge.

In the past at least this has made the pace of the show really great, but this season has been a bit different. We once stopped for five minutes so Littlefinger could tell non-book Winterfell prost, Roz, not to cry about dead babies cause if she does he might have to give her to the bad customers that will hurt her. I mean--it was a long-ass scene for what reason? Littlefinger isn't nice? Winterfell prost needs to be more uncaring for dead babies? Foreshadowing Joffrey's abuse? Their use of precious minutes to completely stop the show has just left me wondering, and Sunday night's episode made me think they had truly come to the point where they just started caring more about purging the plot details and less about good tv.

[Androidpk]

The latest episode was the one to finally make me think "What the fuck are they doing to these awesome books?"

I've been fine with the little deviations here and there but it's just going too far off now and it's starting to really bother me. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if the new stuff seemed even close to as good as how it was originally.

http://brahvsnature.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/chill-out-slut1.jpg

If the changes are good enough for the author of the books then they are good enough for me.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I really don't mind the deviation from the books in any way. They've failed to introduce interesting themes or really any likable characters. Great modern television writing (let's say Mad Men, The Wire or Deadwood) gives you some thematic element to play with in your mind every episode, a small rise-and-fall over 60 minutes that doesn't disrupt the season's arc. GoT has so much crosscutting shit to pile on and writers that just aren't able to add emotional beats on top of the story purge.

In the past at least this has made the pace of the show really great, but this season has been a bit different. We once stopped for five minutes so Littlefinger could tell non-book Winterfell prost, Roz, not to cry about dead babies cause if she does he might have to give her to the bad customers that will hurt her. I mean--it was a long-ass scene for what reason? Littlefinger isn't nice? Winterfell prost needs to be more uncaring for dead babies? Foreshadowing Joffrey's abuse? Their use of precious minutes to completely stop the show has just left me wondering, and Sunday night's episode made me think they had truly come to the point where they just started caring more about purging the plot details and less about good tv.

I dunno, I totally get why they're being heavy handed on certain things. I'm continually amazed when I talk about the books with people who've read them and completely miss what I took to be relatively clear intrigue/fuckery and apparently it's too subtle for a lot of people to make the connection. It's even harder to portray such subtle plot elements on the screen and still keep shit moving forward. This is probably horrible of me to say but I feel like if people weren't so unobservant and stupid, the show wouldn't be dumbed down like it is.

[Ryvicke]

I dunno, I totally get why they're being heavy handed on certain things. I'm continually amazed when I talk about the books with people who've read them and completely miss what I took to be relatively clear intrigue/fuckery and apparently it's too subtle for a lot of people to make the connection. It's even harder to portray such subtle plot elements on the screen and still keep shit moving forward. This is probably horrible of me to say but I feel like if people weren't so unobservant and stupid, the show wouldn't be dumbed down like it is.

If they're lowest-common-denominator'ing it that is really the choice of the showrunners. The Wire was nuanced, vague and sometimes chaotic in its depictions of the politics of the city of Baltimore--people loved it for that. Sometimes Roger Sterling gets 1 scene in Mad Men and the writers put across more sadness and true emotion in a few lines that Cersei gets screaming for minutes and minutes. Deadwood was almost unintelligible until you watched 5 episodes and started being able to understand it.

People will watch smart shows and go fucking nuts for them. This show is not smart, but it's also not just idiotic-pop-bullshit like True Blood (which was fun as fuck for a long time). It's stuck in this weird middle place that pop culture goes now when there's a lot of money involved, can't be too confusing, can't be too deep, can't be too risky.

Also, this wasn't my thesis in any way, it's the New Yorker TV Critic's (http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/television/2012/05/07/120507crte_television_nussbaum?currentPage=all), but the show's insistence on getting chicks naked for no good reason (sigh, whatever, here's my man card) mirrors the same paternal society that the plot of the books seems to vilify.

This was also something I wrote about last year after I saw Fincher's Girl with the Dragon Tattoo--to show Lisbeth fully nude multiple times, to leer on her sort of odd body and to not show any more of Daniel Craig than viewers saw in Bond is problematic in a story that relies so much on themes of female (HA!) empowerment. On HBO and in "serious" R-rated movies the viewer's gaze no longer needs to be gender-skewed. I didn't hate GwtDT cause they didn't show Daniel Craig's dong, it was a pretty underwhelming movie on its own, but showing some peen would've at least made me think the director had a grasp on the themes of the material. Insert sentence here about Michael Fassbender's huge penis in Shame and how dong doesn't make any movie good. blah blah etc. etc. Game of Thrones is weak.

[Showal]

If they allowed more than 10 episodes or maybe made each episode 1.5 hours, I think it'd be a lot better off this season.

[Androidpk]

I think HBO is doing an outstanding job. The production, cinematography, casting, writing.. all of it.

[Nieninque]

If they allowed more than 10 episodes or maybe made each episode 1.5 hours, I think it'd be a lot better off this season.

If they made each episode an hour, it might be better.

[Nieninque]

I dont mind the changes to the plot, but I am frustrated (marginally) that they have made such changes to the plot that it has completely changed the characters of the characters. Jon Snow at this point in time is completely different. He looks like a dithering twat rather than the principled kid we saw in the books. Hopefully that will change. Daenarys is an annoying whiny bitch in this series, whereas she was a rock for her people in the books. I dont really care about the changes to the plot per se, but she is annoying (I didnt like the way she spoke. like. this. in. the. first. series. when. she. was. annoyed).
Im interested what they are going to do with Tywin and Arya as though that storyline is way off from the books, it's an interesting change. It is deviating from Tywin's book character of being a cold hearted bastard though, as he is almost being fatherly to Arya.
And Cersei this week, slagging off her own son to Sansa? Jesus.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I hate what they've done to Dany in the show. She was by far my favorite character in the books and in the show I waver back and forth between apathy and wanting to strangle her.

[Drew]

Comparing GoT to the two best tv shows of the past decade (maybe all time?) is pretty tough Jay. A show can be good and not be those two shows, right?

[Drew]

I hate what they've done to Dany in the show. She was by far my favorite character in the books and in the show I waver back and forth between apathy and wanting to strangle her.

I think Dany is pretty much exactly the same. We have her internal monologue in the book but if you just heard the words she said in the book she would pretty much appear exactly the way she does in the tv series.

[Ryvicke]

Comparing GoT to the two best tv shows of the past decade (maybe all time?) is pretty tough Jay. A show can be good and not be those two shows, right?

I dunno, this is HBO's tentpole series, I want the best. But I also am not sure that this show is "good" beyond really great casting and production. But I'm also a bitch. I think The Killing and Walking Dead are two very bad shows that I've watched way too much of because they're on the same network as Mad Men and Breaking Bad. I guess I pretty much give any shows made on those two networks a look and then become inappropriately upset when they are not the greatest shows of all time.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I think Dany is pretty much exactly the same. We have her internal monologue in the book but if you just heard the words she said in the book she would pretty much appear exactly the way she does in the tv series.

You shut your whore mouth.

[Fallen]

Comparing GoT to the two best tv shows of the past decade (maybe all time?) is pretty tough Jay. A show can be good and not be those two shows, right?

This. The show, taken at face value, is awesome. By comparison, check out what they did to The Sword of Truth series.

[Tenlaar]

I think the story line that is being altered the most, and possibly for the worst results, is Arya. She is supposed to have been living in constant fear for her life and being hardened by rampant cruelty, not eating fucking pot roast with Tywin.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I think the story line that is being altered the most, and possibly for the worst results, is Arya. She is supposed to have been living in constant fear for her life and being hardened by rampant cruelty, not eating fucking pot roast with Tywin.

IDK, it's still hardening her, just in a different way. A big part of her progression as a character is learning to let go of Arya Stark... being privy to the "other side" and learning people like Tywin Lannister are still just men is beneficial for that lesson.

[SHAFT]

I think the story line that is being altered the most, and possibly for the worst results, is Arya. She is supposed to have been living in constant fear for her life and being hardened by rampant cruelty, not eating fucking pot roast with Tywin.

Agreed.

About the only storyline that feels right is Theon's.

[the fat white duke]

Has it been announced if The Brave Companions will be completely omitted from the TV series?

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Has it been announced if The Brave Companions will be completely omitted from the TV series?

I don't see how they could without fucking up Brienne, Jaime, and Gendry's storylines.

[Androidpk]

You purists sound like a bunch of whiny fucking douchebags. Just saying!

[Liagala]

You think everyone who doesn't agree with you is a whiny fucking douchebag. Just saying!

[Androidpk]

Touche.

[Androidpk]

I think the story line that is being altered the most, and possibly for the worst results, is Arya. She is supposed to have been living in constant fear for her life and being hardened by rampant cruelty, not eating fucking pot roast with Tywin.

Are you blind man? Look at the transition she has made throughout the entire series. She most certainly is in a situation where she is constantly fearing for her life, and she is doing one hell of a job coping with it. She is brave and sharp and you can see how she is becoming a much stronger individual.

[Atlanteax]

At least we can all agree that this season is gonna be too short, episodes-wise?

[Androidpk]

I'll agree on that.

[leifastagsweed]

This. The show, taken at face value, is awesome. By comparison, check out what they did to The Sword of Truth series.

Yes, this! Legend of the Seeker completely undid a fascinating and fabulously written series. Richard in The Sword of Truth was a MAN, not a sniveling boy-band wannabe!

While I agree that GoT has veered off a bit, particularly in the duct taping together of crucial plot elements, they are still staying true to the original storyline and have made mostly likeable characters.

[subzero]

Yes, this! Legend of the Seeker completely undid a fascinating and fabulously written series. Richard in The Sword of Truth was a MAN, not a sniveling boy-band wannabe!


I was wanting to like the Seeker series, but I think it was essentially doomed from the start due to being an ABC/Disney production. It's just not your typical family-friendly setting and making it in a way that the show could be aired in the afternoon on network TV was a bad idea. It'd be interesting to see what an HBO, Showtime, Stars, etc could do with it.

[Nieninque]

They havent done a very good job of explaining the whole point of Bran yet, either. By omitting the frog eaters and barely addressing the shapeshifting stuff, Bran looks like a waste of plot time so far. Hopefully that will change...but there have been some key points about the wolfs that have been missed out that will impact on pretty much everyone.

[the fat white duke]

They havent done a very good job of explaining the whole point of Bran yet, either. By omitting the frog eaters and barely addressing the shapeshifting stuff, Bran looks like a waste of plot time so far. Hopefully that will change...but there have been some key points about the wolfs that have been missed out that will impact on pretty much everyone.

I'm curious to see how they're going to handle the Reed siblings, as their father Howland is directly tied to the "Who are Jon's parents" question.

That shit better get answered.

[Nieninque]

Plus, when Osha and Rickon split, who is going to go with Bran and Hodor?

[the fat white duke]

Plus, when Osha and Rickon split, who is going to go with Bran and Hodor?

I suppose they could replace the Reed kids with a trustworthy wildling or two. I believe that would either indicate the Reed family is much less significant than I want them to be or the show is going to deviate very heavily from the novels well into the future.

[Liagala]

Plus, when Osha and Rickon split, who is going to go with Bran and Hodor?
Maybe they won't split Bran and Rickon. That makes absolutely no difference in anything until at least book 6 - there's no guarantee the show will even run that far.

[Nieninque]

Maybe they won't split Bran and Rickon. That makes absolutely no difference in anything until at least book 6 - there's no guarantee the show will even run that far.

It makes quite a lot of difference, in that Brans journey takes him north. It doesnt make a great deal of sense in Rickon going north as well as he would have to come south and Bran wont be able to once he has reached the north.

[Liagala]

It makes quite a lot of difference, in that Brans journey takes him north. It doesnt make a great deal of sense in Rickon going north as well as he would have to come south and Bran wont be able to once he has reached the north.
Rickon doesn't do anything other than be absent, unless I missed something. He comes up briefly in book 5 when Wex says he'd seen them - beyond that, he's just quietly elsewhere, doing nothing to anyone. He can be just as quietly north as he can be wherever else he's hiding.

[Tenlaar]

Are you blind man? Look at the transition she has made throughout the entire series. She most certainly is in a situation where she is constantly fearing for her life, and she is doing one hell of a job coping with it. She is brave and sharp and you can see how she is becoming a much stronger individual.

I don't think it's even comparable.

TV show - Oh no, if they find out who I am, I'll be taken political prisoner and given a better room and have to do less work.

Books - Oh no, if I make a wrong move somebody is going to beat me and kill me and cut my ear off and maybe fuck the hole after.

The whole environment is different. It's not supposed to be Harrenhall ruled by the level headed and tactical Tywin Lannister. It's supposed to be Harrenhall under Amory Lorch's weak control with a bunch of brutal madmen running around.

[Nieninque]

Rickon doesn't do anything other than be absent, unless I missed something. He comes up briefly in book 5 when Wex says he'd seen them - beyond that, he's just quietly elsewhere, doing nothing to anyone. He can be just as quietly north as he can be wherever else he's hiding.

There are lots of other knock-on effects of Rickon being on his island with Osha that are borked if he is north with Bran.

[Back]

I had a feeling the burnt bodies were not who we thought they were. But I gave Theon too much credit thinking he faked their deaths on purpose. He's just that incompetent.

[Back]

Here is a cool slide show of the actors in and out of character. Khalisi is hot both blonde and brunette and the actress who plays Brienne is kinda hot.

http://www.vulture.com/2012/05/game-of-thrones-cast-characters.html

[Ryvicke]

Here is a cool slide show of the actors in and out of character. Khalisi is hot both blonde and brunette and the actress who plays Brienne is kinda hot.

http://www.vulture.com/2012/05/game-of-thrones-cast-characters.html

Weirdest revelation: Theon is Lily Allen's brother.

[Liagala]

And apparently Tyrion's whore used to be a German hardcore porn star.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Weirdest revelation: Theon is Lily Allen's brother.

I just listened to "Alfie" and started cracking up. I get the feeling that the song was playful and very tongue-in-cheek but considering Theon Greyjoy had an impossible time trying to live up to his much more successful sister, it's kind of extra hilarious.

[Atlanteax]

Weirdest revelation: Theon is Lily Allen's brother.

Did anyone else find that the primary actresses predominantly look more appealing as their GoT personas than IRL?

[Liagala]

Did anyone else find that the primary actresses predominantly look more appealing as their GoT personas than IRL?
I think almost all of them do, at least from the pictures used in that slideshow. Cersei looks pretty decent as a brunette, but the rest of them really seem a lot better off in costume. A few of the guys, too.

[Ryvicke]

I think it's the whole magic of TV, larger than life characters, great costuming, etc.

How about that last episode? Complete pile of shit. Writing was lazy as fuck (Cersei: power is power, no mixed metaphor there. Waiting to find out why Robb throws away his life: oh it's because that girl doesn't like slavery.) Went back to the Dany well with 'FIND MY DRAGONS' again--and Jorah, who had a pretty fucking cool scene last week vowing to find her dragons immediately suggests this episode leaving them behind to go to Astapor? Any script supervisors on the show? John Snow continues to be the puss that let Craster take his sword and just in general hasn't taken action to define his own storyline the entire season.

Things happen TO these characters, and it's fucking boring television. I wished to God I would at least get Tyrion visiting a metalsmith asking for a few links of chain mysteriously, but what the hell, give me another scene with him and Cersei generically babbling at each other, that's a relationship we need to know more about.

[Androidpk]

I think it's the whole magic of TV, larger than life characters, great costuming, etc.

How about that last episode? Complete pile of shit. Writing was lazy as fuck (Cersei: power is power, no mixed metaphor there. Waiting to find out why Robb throws away his life: oh it's because that girl doesn't like slavery.) Went back to the Dany well with 'FIND MY DRAGONS' again--and Jorah, who had a pretty fucking cool scene last week vowing to find her dragons immediately suggests this episode leaving them behind to go to Astapor? Any script supervisors on the show? John Snow continues to be the puss that let Craster take his sword and just in general hasn't taken action to define his own storyline the entire season.

Things happen TO these characters, and it's fucking boring television. I wished to God I would at least get Tyrion visiting a metalsmith asking for a few links of chain mysteriously, but what the hell, give me another scene with him and Cersei generically babbling at each other, that's a relationship we need to know more about.



Zzzzz

[Kitsun]

You know, I never got the inkling that Cersei and Tyrion actually had any moments of peace between them from the books. It was striking that they had an emotional moment together. I was also shocked she admitted that Joffrey was infact an awful little monster.

The way Jon's story is unfolding really doesn't seem to prepare him to be what he needs to be later. I did cheer when Ygritte finally said, "You know nothing Jon Snow."

[Ryvicke]

In more familial connection I just found out that Volanti nurse chick that tells Robb that seemingly ultra-erotic little-boy/big slave mouth-to-mouth drowning story is named Oona Chaplin and is Charlie Chaplin's granddaughter!! That's cool.

[Androidpk]

In more familial connection I just found out that Volanti nurse chick that tells Robb that seemingly ultra-erotic little-boy/big slave mouth-to-mouth drowning story is named Oona Chaplin and is Charlie Chaplin's granddaughter!! That's cool.

Uhh.. I don't know anyone else that thought that story was even remotely erotic.

[Ryvicke]

They started fucking pretty rabidly immediately upon its conclusion. Not sure if you're following along with my whole, "this show has shit writing" vibe.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

What they've done with the Jeyne storyline bothers me a lot more than most of the other changes. It completely changes Robb as a character on a pretty big level. I suppose it ultimately doesn't matter but it also demonstrates further just how fucking smart Tywin Lannister is, and you lose that too.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Also because I'm a perv like that, I'm looking forward to more Jon and Ygritte scenes.

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[Taernath]

Please, for the love of god, no more Ros. For someone who was mentioned in passing twice in the book, she gets more air time than some main characters.

[Androidpk]

They started fucking pretty rabidly immediately upon its conclusion. Not sure if you're following along with my whole, "this show has shit writing" vibe.

Because there hasn't been ANY sexual tension between them for the past few episodes at all, none.

[Atlanteax]

In more familial connection I just found out that Volanti nurse chick that tells Robb that seemingly ultra-erotic little-boy/big slave mouth-to-mouth drowning story is named Oona Chaplin and is Charlie Chaplin's granddaughter!! That's cool.


They started fucking pretty rabidly immediately upon its conclusion. Not sure if you're following along with my whole, "this show has shit writing" vibe.

You're probably the only person who made that connection... O_o

[Kitsun]

I keep re-reading what Ryvicke wrote and I still can't piece together what he meant.

[Ryvicke]

Because there hasn't been ANY sexual tension between them for the past few episodes at all, none.

Totally there has, but they've telegraphed that this is a decision that will mean peril for Robb going back into last season. So I guess, in general, it has been pretty obvious there would be a "passionate" scene in which Robb makes a decision that isn't smart, but has no other choice because of how he feels. That scene happens to be the one where she tells the drowning boy/slave CPR story.

I don't give a fuck about the writers making broad plot changes to accommodate the medium. But telling us every episode that Robb is winning every battle and some type of tactical savant while also showing him pretty much fucking everything up (loses Jaime, loses Winterfell and now pisses off a critical ally) while having the scene that is supposed to convince us that his unbridled wolf passion could not be contained and that he has no chance but to go against all logic, reason and his promise (honor) being a scene that she tells that story is fucking bad writing.

I'm super okay with you not caring about how bad the writing is and I'm gonna stop writing fevered paragraphs about it soon. It's a fun show, it's just getting worse.

[Ryvicke]

You're probably the only person who made that connection... O_o

There's not a connection between her being Charlie Chaplin's granddaughter and anything else, I just thought it was cool that she is.

[Androidpk]

I'm super okay with you not caring about how bad the writing is and I'm gonna stop writing fevered paragraphs about it soon. It's a fun show, it's just getting worse.

Please do, it's like you're not even watching the same show as the rest of us. There are plenty of realistic reasons why Robb does what he does and the show explains it quit clearly so I don't understand where your rant is coming from.

[Ryvicke]

I keep re-reading what Ryvicke wrote and I still can't piece together what he meant.

Cool I'll just keep typing! So there's this writing room on shows, and they have a season outline. For visual purposes It's usually on a board and when they break it up into the episodes they call it "boarding an episode." Benioff/Weiss have talked about the writing process of GoT in a few interviews. A lot of show runners and head writers do interviews on their writing processes. Anywho, so somewhere on those boards was a scene between Robb and Volanti nurse in which Robb finally followed up on the promise of their flirtation and just went ahead and did it. It is an important scene.

That scene was written around a long story she tells that is pretty unsexy. His passion coming on so strong after that particular story struck me as lazy as shit and a little sloppy. I wrote a post about it. It was a weak scene in a show that used to have really fucking strong scenes and excellent dialogue.

I'll add: the disappointment comes in because the new stuff they add in actually excites me quite a bit. So when this whole new character pops up I was really looking forward to what would happen, what secret thing I hadn't already read in a book that could break the word of Robb Stark. So when it was that scene I was kinda sad.

[Ryvicke]

Please do, it's like you're not even watching the same show as the rest of us. There are plenty of realistic reasons why Robb does what he does and the show explains it quit clearly so I don't understand where your rant is coming from.

lol, please do?

[Kitsun]

Cool I'll just keep typing! So there's this writing room on shows, and they have a season outline. For visual purposes It's usually on a board and when they break it up into the episodes they call it "boarding an episode." Benioff/Weiss have talked about the writing process of GoT in a few interviews. A lot of show runners and head writers do interviews on their writing processes. Anywho, so somewhere on those boards was a scene between Robb and Volanti nurse in which Robb finally followed up on the promise of their flirtation and just went ahead and did it. It is an important scene.

That scene was written around a long story she tells that is pretty unsexy. His passion coming on so strong after that particular story struck me as lazy as shit and a little sloppy. I wrote a post about it. It was a weak scene in a show that used to have really fucking strong scenes and excellent dialogue.

I'll add: the disappointment comes in because the new stuff they add in actually excites me quite a bit. So when this whole new character pops up I was really looking forward to what would happen, what secret thing I hadn't already read in a book that could break the word of Robb Stark. So when it was that scene I was kinda sad.

Every time you referred to the nurse, I kept thinking you meant Nan the nurse maid back in Winterfell. And I was trying to pair that with some kind of sexy story she told. It made me very, very confused.

[Blazar]

Cool I'll just keep typing! So there's this writing room on shows, and they have a season outline. For visual purposes It's usually on a board and when they break it up into the episodes they call it "boarding an episode." Benioff/Weiss have talked about the writing process of GoT in a few interviews. A lot of show runners and head writers do interviews on their writing processes. Anywho, so somewhere on those boards was a scene between Robb and Volanti nurse in which Robb finally followed up on the promise of their flirtation and just went ahead and did it. It is an important scene.

That scene was written around a long story she tells that is pretty unsexy. His passion coming on so strong after that particular story struck me as lazy as shit and a little sloppy. I wrote a post about it. It was a weak scene in a show that used to have really fucking strong scenes and excellent dialogue.

I'll add: the disappointment comes in because the new stuff they add in actually excites me quite a bit. So when this whole new character pops up I was really looking forward to what would happen, what secret thing I hadn't already read in a book that could break the word of Robb Stark. So when it was that scene I was kinda sad.

The reason that scene triggered that reaction from him is because he realized he was deeply in love with her because she was truly a good person. At least that's how I saw it. Of course, for men love = sex, kind of like 1 + 1 = 2.

I don't think the show is getting bad. Then again I don't ever try to decide how a show should be done or anything of that nature. I watch it as is and either find enjoyment or don't, but I hold no expectations. Kind of like viewing paintings... do you think of different ways to paint the same painting? Or do you simply appreciate the work that the artist(s) did?

[Androidpk]

How about the fact that Robb was thrust into that position without a whole lot of notice? The amount of responsibility he suddenly found himself with is quite staggering. And even though he is the head honcho now he is more alone than ever before. His father is dead, his younger sisters are gone, one of his closest friends (Theon) has betrayed him and his family, his own mother has betrayed him and his cause, even the deal with the Frey's has made it seem like he is losing control over everything in his life. Torn between continuing his march towards King's Landing or turning back to Winterfell he is all alone. Despite his impressive victories Robb Stark is still human so of course he wants to be comforted. I don't think what happened in the tent was spontaneous or without merit, it all made perfect sense to me.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Every time you referred to the nurse, I kept thinking you meant Nan the nurse maid back in Winterfell. And I was trying to pair that with some kind of sexy story she told. It made me very, very confused.

I just laughed incredibly hard for like a whole minute at this. Just the combination of the implications of Robb and Nan/thought of them as a couple, and your total bewilderment.

[Androidpk]

The lady that played Nan actually died last year.

[Nieninque]

Probably from the exertions of that scene

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Cersei is drunk as hell.

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[Delias]

Please, for the love of god, no more Ros. For someone who was mentioned in passing twice in the book, she gets more air time than some main characters.

I thought Ros was supposed to be Kyra who existed for basically 5 pages total.

I don't mind things being left out- what pisses me off is the things that get added (that weren't in the books) in the time that is freed up by leaving things out.

[Kitsun]

In the books, I felt like Shae was just playing Tyrion's toy. She seems to be exhibiting actual care for him in the show though.

I was a little disappointed that they didn't full on lop off Tyrion's nose. I guess I understand from a production perspective, it would've been awful for the actor to go through hours of makeup. They made him seem like a weak ass for passing out from what looks to be a bad paper cut. I really wanted to see the battle on the burning boats. I feel a bit cheated that the battle was reduced down to the muddy land between the shore and the gate.

[SHAFT]

Kinda bummed they didn't use the chain that tyrion made in the book.

[Back]

These are brave men knocking at our door. Lets go kill them.

[leifastagsweed]

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And the wildfire was delicious!

[Back]

For people arguing about how close or not this series is to the books... isn't the author working with the directors on this? Doesn't that give validity to the whole thing?