Baseball.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

With such a "long, boring season," I thought a thread that let us rant and/or rave about our favorite team should be in order.

I have an alterior motive, though. The Cubs just handed Roger Clemens his first loss of the season.

The match-up was great, the legendary Roger Clemens vs. Mark Prior. That amazing young pitcher we just got back a few weeks ago. The Cubs won 7 - 2, with Clemens giving up 5 runs, with two HRs. Prior pitched 5 shutout innings.

So go on about your favorite team...

[Latrinsorm]

The Mets still suck. :( We were doing good for awhile there.

[pennywise]

Go cardinals. After all the preseason talk about Houston and Chicago, with very little print about the Cardinals, its nice to see them in first place, and playing well against the Astros and about even with the Cubs. God what we wouldnt do for some stronger pitching. No way can our offense last forever.

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
The Mets still suck. :(

You say this like you're suprised? :?:

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Originally posted by pennywise
Go cardinals. After all the preseason talk about Houston and Chicago, with very little print about the Cardinals, its nice to see them in first place, and playing well against the Astros and about even with the Cubs.

Yeah, there was a lot of talk about the Cubs in the preseason. But no one predicted 1/3rd of our team on the DL, including 5 starters, and our #1 and #2 pitchers. We're still over .500 and only 2 games back from first place. We'll be 100% in about two weeks, and then the division is ours.

[pennywise]

Ill give you that, loosing prior and woods was killer, but your teams walk to strikeout ratio must have gotten much better with the loss of Sosa. I think I read he is starting rehab soon. But didnt yall just loose your closer? Prior has come back like a champ though (expect for that game vs the cardinals, which I will omit out of kindness).

The Cardinals have been lucky not to have any serious losses. Pujols shouldnt be out for much longer, though I like to think we could have done better than split the last series against the Cubs if he was playing.

[Hulkein]

I just got back from the Phillies game.. The rain delays were about 4 hours long, the game ended at around 2:50, and man did it pour. Thome hit his 400th.. Good game.

[Edited on 6-15-2004 by Hulkein]

[Delirium]

Im just glad the Twins get to play the Expos tomorrow! :up: Although now i probably cursed them and the Expos will win the series. I really like the interleague play thing cause its neat to play the teams you just dont see that much(Like the Mets haha).

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Great view!

http://img42.photobucket.com/albums/v130/ThisOtherKingdom/Ballpark2.jpg

[Lord Deprav]

My Tribe is almost at .500. We have quite a few potential all stars on our team currently which I have been nothing but surprised. Lawton is having a career year. Martinez and Hafner are playing sweet baseball. If pudge and lopez weren't in the league martinez would probaly be on the all-star list. If the Indians can hold .500 till the All-Star break, then we probaly will take the division.

For the Cubs, they are haven some tough times right now. But yah figure if they also can stay around .500 to August that division will be up for the taking. The Astros will take a fall. The Reds will finish up with the Brew Crew. The Cards are going to be the ones that are tough. I didn't expect them to be around this long, but if they can get a pitcher by the trade deadline, then they will be in the hunt. If the don't then the division will be for the Cubs. Everyone had there chance to take it when the cubs were broke and no one did.

Deprav

[Satira]

First let me say, I live in St. Louis.. I was born here and lived here my whole life.

I still don't like the Cardinals. I never have liked them. I don't care if they're in first or last place. We rarely have any INTERESTING players on that damn team. I like to like the players on the team.

Pujols is not interesting. Don't even say it. He's a cocky bitch, and that's all there is to it. Boo.

[crazymage]

rolen..edmonds..

[Hulkein]

Rolen is a pussy.

He's awesome but he has no personality and he's a crybaby.

[Edited on 6-15-2004 by Hulkein]

[crazymage]

rolen is the best 3b of this era..philly fans jus idiots

[Hulkein]

What part of 'he is awesome' didn't sink in?

He's the best 3basemen since Michael Jack Schmidt, but Satira wasn't saying they had no talent. She said 'We rarely have any INTERESTING players on that damn team.'

Rolen has little personality.

[pennywise]

Steve Kline is very interesting. Trying to give that dude, who smushed a kid while scrambling for a ball, a shirt onto which Kline wrote"Tough Guy" and "Ball Stealer" gives a definite nod towards personality. Julian Taverez(sp) and his hat meld together into an interesting and outspoken at times personality.

My guess is the team doesnt get arrested enough or arent in enough scandals to be interesting to the small minded. I guess nice guys just dont stand out as much as loudmouth jerks.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Lord Deprav
My Tribe is almost at .500.Sorry about that. :smilegrin:

[ThisOtherKingdom]

The Cubbies just scored 3 runs in the top of the 9th to take the lead 4 - 2. That was also the final. WOOO!

[Satira]

Oh hell no, pennywise did not just call me small minded because I like my players to show a little personality.

:fu:

[pennywise]

I just meant it as a broad, generalized statement, and you can take it as you please.

Go Cardinals

Cards 8
A's 4

[pennywise]

And by the way, nice comeback by the Cubs.

[AnticorRifling]

I'm just waiting for the cubs to capture the pennant this year, it will happen!!

[longshot]

I only get to see highlights of the Japanese players.

If it's Hideki Matsui, it's always him getting a hit, or making a great play. This is followed by him responding to the question to his traveling band of Japanese media.

If it's the other Matsui, it's always him dropping the ball.

If it's Ichiro, it's him getting a single. He never talks to anyone. He did do an interview with NHK last week, in which he said he wants people to recognize that every single movement he makes is for a purpose, and that he basically is the greatest thing since the light bulb and the vaginal sponge.

I really don't follow any one team. I root for or against certain players.

I like Manny. He's a savant if there ever was one. I can imagine him not being able to count past 28, but he's such a great hitter. Anyone who takes the field with a waterbottle in their back pocket...

I like Pudge. The Tigers are only 3 games under .500. That's just incredible. That's all him.

I like Ichiro. He's a baddass.

I hate Barry Bonds. When I first came to Japan, he was on a TV show with the Japanese guy who starred in Major League II. The did some hitting game. This was shortly after they lost the world series, and Bonds at one point said, "If only I could have hit every time up instead of my teammates, we would have won the world series". He's the cockiest asshole ever. There are no words to describe how much I hate Barry Bonds.

I hate Roger Clemens. He's a fat, redneck, hillbilly fuck. I really hope Piazza beats his face in before he hangs it up for good.

It's too easy to hate the Yankees. Is Jeter overrated? Sure. But, that's not grounds to hate the entire team. I don't see how you can hate Mariano Rivera, or Joe Torre. I liked Paul O'neil too, but now he's gone. There's nobody I really like on the team, but that doesn't mean I hate them.

My baseball ramblings from an ex-pat.

[DeV]

The White Sox aren't doing too shabby right now.

[Sean]

I get the feeling every part of this post will be ignored except for one word which is ... Yankee's. If I had to pick a team in the NL I like the Phillies. Living with a philies fan for a few years I've been forced to pay some attention to them and I love the energy that the fans have for their team.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by longshot
I liked Paul O'neil too,:barf: That guy was such a whiny bitch. Little Matsui hasn't been doing very good, though, there I agree with you.

[Delirium]

I don't see how you can hate Mariano Rivera, or Joe Torre.

Yeah i hate the Yankees with passion as im sure most know by now. But Mariano is too quiet and home grown as well. Its hard to hate him but i still try to root against the guy :) As for Torre i dont really hate him either but i do lump him into the same group as Phil Jackson. Of course he has a great winning percentage look at the players? But his personality alone is great and it seems very friendly. Paul O'Neil was a good player but as Jim Rome calls it he is a Red ass. Which basically means he throws temper tantrums when he doesnt succeed which is good and bad. Nice to see a player care that much about doing good but bad or sad cause damn get some composure and handle it like a man.

Before the season i really wanted the Twins to get lil Matsuii as i figured he would be a lot more like Ichiro at SS than a 250 hitting defensive jinx. That must be the reason im not a GM.

[Lord Deprav]

Matt Williams was a much better player than Rolen.

Indians are going to beat the mets. Once again a game below .500.

Screw the Tiger.

Deprav
"From Moses to Sandy Koufax, you damn right I am living in the past"

[Hulkein]

Talk about a savant at hitting.. take a look at Bobby Abreu's stroke. He's the man, and probably won't even make the all-star game.

.302 Average, 15 jacks, 43 or so RBIs, 51 or so runs, 14 or so stolen bases. He's sick and gets no respect.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Cubs sweep the Astros, and go 6 - 1 on the road. H-E-L-L Y-E-S.

[DeV]

Originally posted by ThisOtherKingdom
Cubs sweep the Astros, and go 6 - 1 on the road. H-E-L-L Y-E-S. :thumbsup:

[Delirium]

Twins sweep the Expos and are in first place by a game and a half now. I know it doesnt sound as impressive as sweeping the Astros but they are now in first and hopefully there to stay. Bring on the Brewers, hopefully we can take the series here as well.

[Sean]

The brewers aren't as big a joke as they have been in the past.

[Delirium]

I know and that stinks. The stupid Diamondbacks made them into a real team with the Sexson trade sadly. I just hope Ben Sheets isnt pitching in this series and i think my Twins will do fine.

[Sean]

He is, tommorow to be exact against silva.

[Bobmuhthol]

Red Sox win for not having to deal with Gay-Rod.

[Delirium]

Damn thats gonna be rough for the Twins. At least we got a cushion on first place now. Good thing too cause now the evil White Sox get to play the Expos.

[Sean]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Red Sox win for not having to deal with Gay-Rod.

Yea becaus dealing with Whiney ass Nomah is sooo much better? The yankee's don't have any issues so far in "dealing" with A-Rod. He's playing and playing well at a new position and hes slugging like he should be. No whiney press interviews about how the team does't want him anymore.

[Zanagodly]

Whoever said Matt Williams is better than Scott Rolen is on crack. Rolen is far better defensively and although both hit for power, Rolen is proving he can hit for average as well.

[pennywise]

Well, lets look at this statistically.

Rolen on top, williams on the bottom row

Yrs gms abs rns hts 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OPB SLG OPS
6.9 162 597 103 171 40 4 30 112 80 130 13 4 .286 .376 .518 .894

Yrs gms abs rns ht 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OPB SLG OPS
11. 162 608 87 163 29 3 33 106 41 118 5 3 .268 .317 .489 .806




Rolen looks to be better offensively

And fielding wise.

Through first eight years

Rolen
107 errors .964 fielding percentage

Williams
108 errors .962 fielding percentage

About equal



PS - Ok, I cant get the stuff to line up, so take it as is.

Edited because I forgot to add that the offensive numbers are seasonal averages.

[Edited on 6-18-2004 by pennywise]

[Delirium]

Ugg im disgusted the Twins have lost the first two games against the Brewers and cant win the series. Hopefully the Twins can trade for a SP from somewhere and damn soon. After this series its on to Boston, and hopefully we can sneak out 2 games against them.

[Sean]

http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-2/1088147434105160.xml

Posted for Latrinsorm

PS. The Mets still suck.

[crazymage]

just bought tickets to see pedro slap the phillies around tonight!

[Hulkein]

They probably will, we have fucking Paul Abbot starting because Padilla is hurt.

[Meos]

3 O'clock... still got a another hour to get drunk cheap before its time to go to the bar!

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Tijay
http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-2/1088147434105160.xml

Posted for Latrinsorm"Life as a Met is stepping to home plate under a screeching jumbo jet."

Lol, my earliest baseball memories feature planes going overhead every five minutes. You tune it out eventually.
PS. The Mets still suck. :stfu: Watch the Mets take 4 of 6 from the Yanks. Just watch.

I just need to put out the sun and break Li'l Matsui's thumbs.

[Apathy]

Have you seen my baseball? :grin:






p.s. good guys wear black

[Onex]

My Braves suck this year........feel free to bash them all you want cause hell even I am.:noob:

[Sean]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
:stfu: Watch the Mets take 4 of 6 from the Yanks. Just watch.

I just need to put out the sun and break Li'l Matsui's thumbs.

Prepare to fall even further away from 500. I can't wait to smack the shit out of the mets.

And as stolen from ESPN ....

[Delirium]

All you Yankee lovers around here can thank the Twins for taking two out of three from the Red Sox :) The funniest part is reading the Red Sox forums around. I cant wait til we play the Yankees so i can read there forums and laugh(hopefully) when we win that series as well.

[Lord Deprav]

fuck the yankees.
fuck the mets.

go cubs; go tribe

Deprav

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Tijay
Prepare to fall even further away from 500. I can't wait to smack the shit out of the mets.Apparently you'll have to wait a bit longer. :P At least you have reliable ol' Contreras up for tomorrow, eh?

[Sean]

I knew that was coming

/remove foot from mouth.

Obviously the Yankees are the best team in History (past, present and future included.)
Not only will they have won 27 world series by the end of this season, but even their coaches (i.e. Willie Randolph and Stottlemyer) kick ass, not to mention, of course, Torre.
In conclusion, Yankees shall sweep the subway series. Metropolitan fans go home and cry! :flames:

[Sean]

You realize a sweep is impossible now?

You realize a sweep is impossible now?

Thanks a lot.

Please don't anyone repeat that though, as I hate being wrong in baseball instances.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
At least you have reliable ol' Contreras up for tomorrow, eh? :stare:

However, the umps are clearly in George's pocket.

[Sean]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you got beat by contreras. HAHAHAHAHA

Double header???

More like...DOUBLE VICTORY!!

HAHAHAOHAHHAHAOA

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Tijay
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you got beat by contreras. HAHAHAHAHA His family shows up right before the Mets game. I knew Castro was a Yankee fan. :jerkit:

Good call, Stan! Maybe you guys can sweep now! (lol)

Kidding aside, my prediction can (will) still come true. Just need 3 of 3 next series. No prob.

[Sean]

Yea maybe well start a whole AAA squad like Halsey and you'll have a chance.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Tijay
Yea maybe well start a whole AAA squad like Halsey and you'll have a chance. You wish you could blame that loss on Halsey. Or wait, maybe it was cuz of Giambi's "flu-like symptoms".

Anyway, we're going to go beat on the Reds for awhile, then we'll show you how real men play.

[Sean]

not only do the mets suck...

but they are stupid as well

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1830631



"NEW YORK -- If the clothes make the man, the New York Mets were in trouble Sunday night.


Catcher Tom Wilson and reliever Jose Parra were forced to wear different jerseys than their teammates for the second game of a day-night doubleheader against the Yankees because the Mets didn't bring along the correct ones.


The Mets wore gray uniforms for the opener, an 8-1 loss. For the night game, they wore black jerseys with "New York" across the chest. Wilson and Parra wore jerseys in the night game that had "Mets" on it in script, a shirt used for home games.


Even after the game, Wilson was unaware he had been dressed differently.


"I had no idea," he said. "


[Edited on 6-28-2004 by Tijay]

[longshot]

So...

Other than a Hideki Matsui and Ichiro highlights, I've seen not a single second of MLB this season.

I was curious though, for those of you lucky enough to have access to real television and Sportscenter...

Who is the MVP of the NL and AL thus far?

[Sean]

Right now I don't think there is a clear cut MVP. As much as I hate the BoSox David Ortiz, while proving he shouldn't play 1st base as the yankees beat them yet again, has put up some MVP numbers behind the plate. Leading the AL in homers and RBI's while sporting a healthy average. In the NL despite what the all star ballots say Thome is just dominating at the plate but again I don't know if hes really a most valuable player.

This is where people start the debate of is value, as in bang for your buck is something to consider for your vote. If I had to pick a player whose not getting paid the big bucks and is helping carry a team I'd go with the longshot Carl Crawford in the AL. Hes 22 making 320,000 leads the AL in steals batting over 300 and is one of the sparks in tampa bay pretending they are a respectable team. My AL honorable mention goes to Pudge who while making money has breathed some life back into the Tigers. In the NL I think the picks are fairly boring. No one is really standing out you have your usual candidates Bonds, Thome, Rolen, Helton, etc.

I'm sure some people will disagree with me on my picks, but hopefully we can all agree that its a bit early to pick legit MVP candidates.

[Edited on 7-1-2004 by Tijay]

Sheffield was amazing yesterday on that 10-foul double.

That is all.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
Kidding aside, my prediction can (will) still come true. Just need 3 of 3 next series. No prob. :smilegrin:

[ThisOtherKingdom]

In my personal opinion, I'd say the MVPs of each league would be Ivan Rodriquez in the AL, and Scott Rolen in the NL. I don't think either of their teams would be performing as well as they are to this point without 'em.

On another note, the Cubs are going for a sweep of the White Sux in about an hour. :fingers:

[Delirium]

Heres hoping the Cubs beat the White Sux for the sweep.

As for MVP id have to agree with Rolen so far in the NL. In the AL id have to go with David Ortiz as he is having an incredible season(plus he is an ex twin).

[Sean]

Yea but doesn't ortiz generally DH? Should a DH really ever be considered an MVP?

Don't get me wrong if you read my post on it I mentioned him as a candidate because statistically he should be. Then again I'm also a yankee fan.

[crazymage]

he played 1b alot first half, when burks is off DL he'll play even more unless they trade for a guy like Olerud for defense.

[crazymage]

Also being a sox fan aside, mvp race is probably manny ortiz or guerrero. AL.

NL.

Rolen or even Alou he really held up the cubs when sosa was on dl.

[Hulkein]

BOBBY ABREU, IT'S BOBBY'S WORLD


PS. He got fucking robbed from the all-star team. Fuck fan voting.

[Edited on 7-5-2004 by Hulkein]

[Sean]

I didn't include manny in any AL predicitions because he just doesn't play hard enough. Hes one of the most talented batters but he just half asses a lot of stuff.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Actually, Alou has been slumping a lot lately. Aramis Ramirez has been the most constistant, and is batting .325 with 15 HRs and 50-something RBIs.

Cubs win it in the 9th in a great game, 2 - 1. Sox walked in the winning run with 1 out. Glendon Rusch pitched 8 shut-out innings, but LaTroy Hawkins blew the save with a solo HR in the top of the 9th.

Cubs sweep!

[Sean]

Bobby's good, but the name on that team is Thome.

[Hulkein]

Look at this bullshit. Sosa starts, and Abreu doesn't even make it as a right fielder. Judge the statistics for yourself.

The all-star game is a JOKE.

Edit- Incase you didn't know, click the picture so it isn't so fuzzy.

[Edited on 7-5-2004 by Hulkein]

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Tijay
Bobby's good, but the name on that team is Thome.


Yeah, at least Mckeon put him on the team since he didn't get voted either.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

I agree Sosa shouldn't be starting, or even at the all-star game this year based on his stats. Same goes for many of the starters this year at the AS game. But that's just the way the voting works.

Though one thing that should be pointed out is that Sosa missed 31 days with an injury, and is still only 3 HRs behind Abreau. Otherwise their numbers would be much more comparible.

[Edited on 7-5-2004 by ThisOtherKingdom]

[Sean]

You can't deny an outfielder of future hall of famers! Not to mention the now commonly talked about outfield of all 500+ home run hitters.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by ThisOtherKingdom
I agree Sosa shouldn't be starting, or even at the all-star game this year based on his stats. Same goes for many of the starters this year at the AS game. But that's just the way the voting works.

Nothing against Sosa, I like him a lot more then Bonds or Griffey, I'm just using him as an example. And yeah, I hate the way the voting is right now.

No Philly player was even close in voting because of the new stadium. We're like 2nd in the NL in attendence but so many people who go are too pre-occupied with checking out all the new stuff.

Not to mention the ushers didnt hand them out and collect them here like they did at the Vet. I dunno why.

[Latrinsorm]

Yeah, it sure looks like Abreu should have gotten in...

...but it's the freaking All-Star Game. Who cares.

Note: I'm not just saying this because Piazza got in.... at the position he played less than half his games at. :saint:

[Sean]

I'm sure all the 1st place teams care since it decides homestadium advantage.

Which would explain why the mets wouldn't care. Since they'll never catch the phillies.

[Edited on 7-5-2004 by Tijay]

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Tijay
Which would explain why the mets wouldn't care. Since they'll never catch the phillies.All we have to do is catch the Marlins and keep winning. It's not like we have to (Lord willing) try and beat the Braves, which will really never happen.

:applaud: Tijay.

[crazymage]

Manny has played WICKED HAAAD this year what are you talkin about!

[Kefka]

Mets swept the Yanks, finally. Guess that's 4-2 for the year. Mets get the mayor's cup this year.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

I'm just too excited to not post this...

http://land.heim.at/podersdorf/221260/SoSweep.GIF

The Yankees can afford for Red sux to win 3 more games while they're swept 3 more times by the lesser NY team, and still, mets will not see a world series. And when they do... :yawn:2000:yawn:

[Kefka]

You sure the Yanks have enough offense to win it all? Perhaps they should go for Bonds.

[Delirium]

Link To Vote for 32nd man (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/events/all_star/y2004/index.jsp)

You can vote for Abreu if you are a Phillies fan or Ramirez if you are a Cubs fan but either way vote for Lew Ford in the AL section,thanks :) I think you have til Wednesday to vote as much as possible.

[Sean]

I'd rather vote for the big hurt, after he got snubbed last year and this year.

[Delirium]

If you like voting for home runs you should vote for Konerko then since he has more than Thomas.

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
The Yankees can afford for Red sux to win 3 more games while they're swept 3 more times by the lesser NY team, and still, mets will not see a world series. And when they do... :yawn:2000:yawn:

I think I'm in love...

[Sean]

Yea I know, but I have a soft spot for the big hurt. Especially since he showed person growth before this season.

[Delirium]

Wow i just realized you voted for Thomas over H. Matsui. Cant you get kicked out of Yankee land for an offense like that? :)

[Sean]

It's okay I'm safe I don't live in the Bronx.

[SiKWiDiT]

Whoever it was that said the Mets would sweep and I just laughed at you, I'd like to say I hate you.

[Delirium]

I dont post on either of these boards ever but they are funny to read if your bored and/or your team is playing one of the two big money teams in the Red Sox or the Yankees.

Red Sox Forum (http://pub208.ezboard.com/bsonsofsamhorn)

and

Yankees Forum (http://forums.nyyfans.com/)

I have to admit as much as it hurts to say the Red Sox forum is expecially funny right now cause of all the troubles the Sox are having. If you're bored check out the 2004 game threads. They start each series saying here comes a 9 or 10 game winning streak or something equally as funny.

[Edited on 7-5-2004 by Delirium]

[Sean]

I was reading the game day forum on the sox board after you posted the link. And its completely hilarious how they go from OMG LOWE IS GOD to WHAT THAT FUCK LOWE STUPID BEING A STUPID FUCKTARD in a number of pages.

[crazymage]

:( when the red sox lost that awesome extra inning game to ny i literally went outside sat in parking lot and contemplated moving to chicago or minnesota i was so depressed.

[Edited on 7-5-2004 by crazymage]

[Weedmage Princess]

You aren't alone, someone at my job wants to move to New York.

On another note, why do the Yanks pull off some awesome feat only to follow it up by some shameful and tragic act?

Last year, it was that great series with the Red Sox in the AL finals. It was a hard fought series and a glorious victory for the Yanks. Then they went on to lose to the friggin MARLINS. WTF? I would have rather lost to the Red Sox than the Marlins.

Then this past series...we swept the Sox and like Sergey said that last game was spectacular. Then we went on to the toilet of NYC, Shea Stadium, and got swept by the lowly Mets. What's the deal??

[Edited on 7-5-2004 by Weedmage Princess]

[Sean]

I'm going to classify the yanks loss to the mets like this...

Everyone knows the Mets suck. But somehow they sqeeked past 500. Now the closer the mets get to 1st place the better the chance that well play them in the post season again. And I'd much rather play the Mets than the Marlins again or the Phillies. So really losing to the Mets is just a stategy for later.

[Weedmage Princess]

Hmm. Good theory. I'll prescribe to it.

[Kefka]

Or it's just that Yankee pitching sucks and they're too dependent on their lineup to carry them through the season. 31 comeback wins?

[crazymage]

mets arent so bad, reyes is gonna be great. Floyd when not injured is one of the better hitters in the league. hidalgo has always had talent, Piazza one of if not best catcher ever. Glavine great. Pitching is what they need, Ortiz or Benson would be huge for them.

[Sean]

Eh I'm not sure I'd qualify Moose or Vazquez as pitchers who suck. Both of whom lost to the Mets. Contreras and to some degree Lieber I'll give ya.

[crazymage]

i was talkin bout the mets , but moose has not done well this year. and vazquez is the only stud you guys got.

[jabst192]

PS the Pirates are gonna win the world series.

<end of thread>

[ThisOtherKingdom]

A nine game winning streak can do a lot of a fan's confidence, regardless if they're still 12 games out of first place.

[Sean]

Originally posted by crazymage
i was talkin bout the mets , but moose has not done well this year. and vazquez is the only stud you guys got.

I was responding to the post above yours. But Moose hasn't been typical moose but he hasn't been super terrible either. Since may 8th he's 8-2. In 8 starts at home hes 6-0. The main problem with him is that his BAA is just horrid.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by SiKWiDiT
Whoever it was that said the Mets would sweep and I just laughed at you, I'd like to say I hate you. :saint:

Mets don't need pitching. It'd be nice if Benitez (that sack of dog crap) decided to post a 0.0003 ERA before we traded him, but at least it wasn't with the Yankees.

Hulkein: Sorry we're whipping on you, currently. I'll vote for Abreu. :smilegrin:

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Tijay
Yea I know, but I have a soft spot for the big hurt. Especially since he showed person growth before this season.

Hah, yeah, I voted for Abreu and The Big Hurt too.

At the game tonite tons of people had 'Vote Abreu' shirts or giant signs, Bobby was laughing at them in right field.

PS. Haha Latrinsorm, good thing the Mets held back Glavine's start to today instead of Sunday... Did a lot of good verse the Phils :smilegrin:

PSS. There were a good amount of Mets fans there, it was getting a little rowdy between everyone. Thanks for the Abreu vote :yes:

[Edited on 7-6-2004 by Hulkein]

MOOSE IS PICKING UP, just you watch.

That, sad, desolate day, when he was robbed of a perfect game in the fucking ninth inning, last out, will be compensated for when he gets a cy young um, maybe next or next, next year.

-Stanley, wishful thinking as always.

[Weedmage Princess]

You talking about that Red Sox game a few years back? FRIGGIN CARL EVERETT...an ex-Met at that..

Where is he playing these days?

[Sean]

Expos.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Gagne's streak ended at 84 tonight. Time to trade him while he still has some value.

Weedie, that was the most horrendous thing i've ever watched.

I could watch my dead grandmother come back from the grave and start biting my leg, but that Everett game just MAKES ME SICK.

Expos.

He fucking deserves that.

[crazymage]

everett was my favorite player for like 6 months after that

[Delirium]

This quote alone is what makes Everett great. Even if he never did break up a Mussina no hitter he would still be worth watching. Heres the quote:


"God created the sun, the stars, the heavens and the earth, and then made Adam and Eve," Everett said last Friday, before the Red Sox lost two of three in Atlanta. "The Bible never says anything about dinosaurs. You can't say there were dinosaurs when you never saw them. Someone actually saw Adam and Eve. No one ever saw a Tyrannosaurus rex."

What about dinosaur bones?

"Made by man," he says.

That could very well be the best baseball quote ive ever heard.

That was a perfect game, not a no hitter, that Everass broke up.

And yeah, considering that we are dealing with well studied clergymen (I can tell by the way 99% of baseball players either cross themselves or give a "sup" to god) It doesn't really suprise me that everett would say something like that as it threatens the holy biblical chronology.

[Sean]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1835967

NEW YORK -- Yankees outfielder Hideki Matsui and Philadelphia's Bobby Abreu earned the final spots on the All-Star teams in Internet fan voting completed Wednesday.

Matsui became the seventh member of the Yankees to make the 32-man AL squad. He has been an All-Star in both of his seasons since leaving Japan.

Matsui is batting .282 with 16 home runs and 54 RBIs.

"To be chosen as part of the All-Star game is one of the great achievements you can have as a player," Matsui said through a translator earlier in the day.

Abreu made the All-Star team for the first time. The right fielder was batting .301 with 17 homers and 57 RBIs going into Wednesday night's game against the Mets.

Matsui beat out Minnesota's Lew Ford, Cleveland's Travis Hafner, and Frank Thomas and Paul Konerko of the White Sox for the last spot.

Matsui joined New York teammates Gary Sheffield, Jason Giambi, Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Mariano Rivera and Tom Gordon on the AL team. Jeter, Giambi and Rodriguez were elected by fans to starting infield spots.

Abreu topped Arizona's Steve Finley, Pittsburgh's Jason Kendall, Florida's Juan Pierre and the Cubs' Aramis Ramirez for the final NL slot.

The Phillies right fielder joins teammate Jim Thome on the National League squad.

The All-Star game will be played Tuesday at Minute Maid Park in Houston.

Fans cast a total of 9.5 million votes for both leagues. Abreu recieved 2 million votes. Matsui got 1.2 million.

[Hulkein]

Yeah man I was so happy. I voted probably around 100 times, I'm a dork.

[Delirium]

Radke 9IP 4H 4SO
Santana 9IP 3H 13SO
Loshe 9IP 6H 6SO

Back to back to back complete game shutouts for the Twins. Damn thats nice to see and to have the White Sux in losing streak while this happens is even better. Santana is fantastic,everytime i see him pitch it makes me drool.

[Sean]

I bet you weren't saying that in the beginning of the year.

[Delirium]

Yeah at the beginning of the year i was definately worried. Santana is a stud and looked absolutely dominant last year and this off season he had a minor surgery to take bone spurs out of his arm and then started horrendously. But in the last month/month and a half he has reverted back to the Santana of old. Hopefully he keeps it up the rest of the year because i dont think he has been a starting pitcher all year yet so this is a jump for him.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Tejada was simply awesome in the HR derby tonight. He set a new record with 15 home runs in a single round, and then won it all in the third round. He also set the record for most HRs overall.

looks like yankees are owning the tigers

[Hulkein]

Hahaha, anyone watching Phils vs Cubs? It's on Fox depending on where you live.

After Abreu hit his 3rd HR of the series today (second game of the series) he mocked Sosa's finger kiss salute thing in the dugout. It was hysterical. Bobby, the real All-Star RF for the NL.

[Latrinsorm]

I saw the Mets acquire a real pitching staff. I hope Wright hits .400, though, cuz otherwise it won't matter.

[Hulkein]

Yeah they did good, so did the Marlins.

As usual Ed Wade (Phillies GM) was too big of a pussy to put anything together.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Hahaha, anyone watching Phils vs Cubs? It's on Fox depending on where you live.

After Abreu hit his 3rd HR of the series today (second game of the series) he mocked Sosa's finger kiss salute thing in the dugout. It was hysterical. Bobby, the real All-Star RF for the NL.

Yeah, he's only the 500th player to ever do that. How hilarious. Not like I'm a huge Sosa fan, but come on.

And I just have one thing else to say...

Nomaaaaaah!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/ThisOtherKingdom/nooomaaaah.jpg

[Hulkein]

Yeah good move getting Nomar, he's amazing. Think they'll be able to resign him?

I know a lot of people do it, but it usually looks like they do it in jest. Bobby looked like he was seriously making fun of him the way he made his face and all.

[Boobstastegreat]

The Giants just scored 8 runs against the Cardinals in the first inning. Fuck the Cardinals!

Go Cubs!

[BigWorm]

First of all, let's get this out of the way: Cubs suck.

Secondly, Cubs fans need to realize that they probably aren't going to make the playoffs. They might get the wild card, but they will not catch the Cardinals. This is not hard to see if you know how to do math:

If/when the Cardinals lose tonight, they will be 66-37. The Cubs are 56-48. This means that if the Cards go .500 for the rest of the year (that's almost a worst-case scenario with the way they are playing and the schedule like it is), they will end up 95-67. That means that the Cubs would need to go atleast 39-17 for the rest of the year to catch the Cardinals. Even with Nomar (who I consider overrated, but that's just me), I just can't see that happening.

2008 is coming up, so Cubs fans can celebrate a century of mediocracy. Oh yeah, and Cubs suck..

[Satira]

:nutty:


NOMAAAAAAAAH!!

[ThisOtherKingdom]

I'm not worried at all about catching the Cardinals to win the division. All the Cubbies need to do is get the wild card, and their pitching rotation is the toughest in the league to beat in a 5 or 7 game series. I'd like to see where the Cardinal's record would be if they had their #1 and #2 pitchers miss a total of 4 months, their starting second baseman miss two months, starting third baseman miss two weeks, starting right fielder miss a month, starting short stop miss two months, lose their closer, and their hottest bat off the bench. The fact that the Cubs are still contenders after all of that just goes to show you how GOOD they really are.

Nomar is not overrated, just take a peak at his stats. In fact, Nomar can slump horribly when he gets here and I'll bet he'll still produce more than our short stops have all year.

[Boobstastegreat]

Originally posted by BigWorm
First of all, let's get this out of the way: Cubs suck.

Secondly, Cubs fans need to realize that they probably aren't going to make the playoffs. They might get the wild card, but they will not catch the Cardinals. This is not hard to see if you know how to do math:

If/when the Cardinals lose tonight, they will be 66-37. The Cubs are 56-48. This means that if the Cards go .500 for the rest of the year (that's almost a worst-case scenario with the way they are playing and the schedule like it is), they will end up 95-67. That means that the Cubs would need to go atleast 39-17 for the rest of the year to catch the Cardinals. Even with Nomar (who I consider overrated, but that's just me), I just can't see that happening.

2008 is coming up, so Cubs fans can celebrate a century of mediocracy. Oh yeah, and Cubs suck..
lol
retarded Card fan to the max....
The Cards aren't gonna do shit in post season with their huge lack of pitching...

However, when the cubs make the playoffs, they have the power and the pitching to go all the way.

[Boobstastegreat]

oh yeah, its 8-5 Giants now...Edmons just hit a 2 run homer...that guys on a tear.

[Zanagodly]

I have to agree, Cubs are the team to beat in the NL if they win the wildcard, and that was with or without Nomar. Now they'll have Nomar hitting in the 3 hole in front of Sammy. Defensively Nomar has had his worst year this year, but the guy can flat out hit. He gets a ton of doubles and a lot of Sammy's solo shots will be 2 run shots now. Plus the Cubs have the best starting rotation in baseball if they are healthy. They still lack a legit closer, although that Farnsworth guy will probably the closer of the future. Cardinals are riding the bats of the big 3, but you can't count on that in the playoffs. Matt Morris had an awful outing last night and he's your ace?!? Cardinals won't even win their divisional playoff series.

[pennywise]

The Cards aren't gonna do shit in post season with their huge lack of pitching...



Just as a by the way, yall are retarded. Yes, Matt Morris blows this year. But, they are the only team in the majors with three pitchers with 11 wins or better, they have the third best team ERA in the league, and last I heard, they were first or second in quality starts. Their bullpen has been much better than average, and Isringhausen has only blown 4 of 31 save attempts. So Im not sure where all this "Cards Pitching sucks" comes from, but I think yall oughta check your stats.

Oh, and I would say they are riding more than 3 good bads, as 6 of their starting 8 are batting .290 or better.

You dont get the best record in the leagues with a huge lack of pitching and 3 bats.

[Zanagodly]

Chris Carpenter, and Jason Marquis are having good years, but Suppan sucks, Woody Williams is having a bad year, and Morris is having an awful year. Pujols, Rolen, Edmonds, and Reggie Sanders are carrying this team offensively. Renteria is having an average year, and Roger Cedeno is playing over his head. Like the Yankees, the Cards are put together to do very well in the regular season, but in a 5 or 7 game series, they might be exploited.

[Latrinsorm]

Aren't quality starts 3 runs over 6 innings? Last I checked that was a 4.50 ERA. Good luck winning in the playoffs with those.

METS RULZ AT PITCHING LOLZ.

[pennywise]

Cards' era is 3.88, best in the league is Atlanta at 3.66, Cubs are second with 3.68. Mets are doing pretty good, with a 3.94.

I will admit that Morris is lucky to be 11 and 7 right now, its not often that someone with almost a 5 era is over .500, but, he is doing something to help the team by pitching deep into games (yes, that 1 inning effort notwithstanding).

The thing about the Cards linup is that they are fairly deep. Besides Rolen, Edmonds, Pujols, Cedeno and Renteria, they can also field Mabry, Molina, Lankford, and Taguchi. Matheny is the only offensive liability, and really, I dont care if he can hit, he is a great defensive catcher.

They dont have a hole position wise. C-Matheny, 1B- Pujols, 2B-Womack, 3B- Rolen, SS- Renteria, LF- Cedeno, CF- Edmonds, RF- Sanders. I wouldnt mind if Womack worked on his fielding a bit more, but 9 errors so far isnt too bad.

Im betting the Cubs will take first in era by the end of the year, but that is really dependent on health. As much as I dislike the Cubs, I was kind of hoping to see them wipe up everyone with a killer staff, and hope that my Cards would take the wild card, but Ill take anything as long as they make it back to the playoffs.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by pennywise
Mets are doing pretty good, with a 3.94. Apparently giving up 8 runs a game isn't conducive to keeping ERA low. :(

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Cards pitching over the last 5 games for each pitcher, season ERA in parenthesis.

Suppan 5.52(4.02)
Morris 7.03(4.82)
Williams 3.73(4.19)

And for their two best pitchers to this point:

Marquis 1.59(3.55) However, many believe Marquis will fall apart at the end of the season, because he's already at his highest innings pitched of his career (126), he's never come close to pitching 200+ innings.

Carpenter 4.54(3.89) Also questions about his endurance. He has only pitched over 200 innings once in his career, and that was back in 2001. He didn't pitch last year, and he only pitched 74 innings in 2002.

[Edited on 8-1-2004 by ThisOtherKingdom]

[pennywise]

Damn, thats some fine statwork.

I am a little worried about Marquis. He has already had some back problems earlier this year, and that is usually a lingering injury. Carpenter, well, we will see. It would be nice if Morris would return to the form he had in 01 and 02, but at least he is on pace to do better than last year win wise. If only he would stick to allowing 1 homer a game, he may be alright. Im not arguing that the Cards have the name players like the cubs or yanks or anything, but I will argue that the Cardinals have playoff capabilities pitching wise.