Nomar (pronounced No-maahh)

[Weedmage Princess]

The Red Sox are 3 1/2 back out of first place in the AL East as of press time and Nomar's achilles doesn't seem to be troubling him much, which is a good thing. I want him nice and healthy when he's playing 2nd base for the Yankees next year. :eek:

[TheEschaton]

I know some people who would kill you for such blasphemy.


But then again, I went to school in Boston. These same people threw beer at me when I cheered for the Sabres at a Bruins/Sabres game at the FleetCenter. No problems, though, only one hit me.

-TheE-

[Weedmage Princess]

Blasphemy!!! We'll see next year :smug:

I'll take Nomar for Enrique Wilson and maybe Kevin Brown if he is on the DL until the 2005 season.

[Sean]

I wouldn't want nomar to play 2b anyway.

I wouldn't want Arod to play 3rd base because he would suck at it and could never possibly reach ALL the phenomenal error accomplishments that Boone made.

Oops

[Sean]

Having the best record in the MLB right now with Enrique Wilson playing 2b, and occasionally Cairo, kinda says to me that we don't need Nomar and his whiney attitude added to our already fragmented club house. Fuck em, let him take whatever lowball offer boston gives him. On the other note I would like to add pedro to our already insanely injury prone starting rotation.

[Delirium]

Pedro's fastball keeps getting slower and slower, i hope the Red Sox dont sign him. Maybe they could trade for Ben Sheets or something. I cant believe anyone roots for the Yankees, it just doesnt seem right. Who on earth roots for Goliath when David is so much more fun to root for. Its like cheering on taxes or breathing it just seems silly. Although i must admit sadly the Red Sox are becoming the Evil Empire II which really annoys the piss out of me. If the Twins start spending 150million plus ill probably tear all my hair out and switch to basketball(unless thats the norm when that happens). If you cant win every single year when you spend at least three times as much as everyone else(generally) then you must suck hard core. /diatribe

PS I have serious doubts Nomar would sign with the yankees. Wouldnt he more likely resign with Boston or go to the west coast somewhere? Yanno where there is sun and the fans arent spoiled by some big spending yahoo.

The Yanks mos def need starting.

But... Yankees should be praying to an even higher power for middle relief.

When Pedro decides to become a relief Pitcher; as well as bitchslap Manny, offer a televised apology to Jorge and bend over with his prone ass-cheeks facing the general vicinity of Steinbrenner wearing a sign saying, "deis su pinga en mi culito," then he can be traded to us. :P

I happened to be "rooting (really don't give a shit about NBA)" for a certain eastern division conference playoff team in the NBA today.

After oddly seeming happy after a certain goaltending call, I suddenly thought to myself, "Holy fucking shit, doing this is equivocal to being a bosox fan."

I quickly withdrew my support for the Pistons and started praying that Shaq would smarten up and sit under the basket, waiting for a pass to get LA some points by employing the notorious "I ARE WEIGH 612 POUNDS, YOU GIVE DA' PISTON GUARD DA' FOUL CALL WHEN I JUMP IN AIR WITH BASKETBALL."

I could get hit by a mack truck and still coach better than Phil Jackson. But that doesn't matter since I don't watch bball

[Delirium]

Very wise thinking Stanley. If you're gonna be a Yankees fan you really should root for the Lakers as well. And the Cowboys when they were dominant and every other team that wins too damn much. The Yanks still take the cake though as the evilist of all evils because of there are no spending limits in baseball which really stinks for everyone not in Chicago, California, New York or Boston.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

I don't see how Chicago gets lumped in there, since they just finally started spending money this year.

Very wise thinking Stanley. If you're gonna be a Yankees fan you really should root for the Lakers as well. And the Cowboys when they were dominant and every other team that wins too damn much. The Yanks still take the cake though as the evilist of all evils because of there are no spending limits in baseball which really stinks for everyone not in Chicago, California, New York or Boston.

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:rolleyes:

We might as well destroy long-overspoken champions like Jordan, so that that way he could have been traded to the Knicks (MSG = joke.)

And you know, since Millwack-ee has revenue income that exponentially exceeds the Yanks (even sadder, Detroit has more,) I think we should place a cap on Selig. After all, he has been evilly taking advantage of the no salary-cap pollicy and has been luring in COUNTLESS m.v.p.'s with his unlimited supply of revenue. This is why I really think that Selig has abused the No-Cap and has obviously made the Brewers the BEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE!!1!!1 ... :lol: ...

Seriously guys, the reason why people are envious bitches of the Yankees is because Steinbrenner actually plays to WIN. - If you gave him Detroit's (vomit) and Milwaukee's ownership revenue, they would easily build a team that could win pennants for the next several milleniums. So stop complaining, it's just a fiscal matter where the Yanks are on the losing end, but actually have the accounting skills to make transactions.

[Delirium]

Originally posted by ThisOtherKingdom
I don't see how Chicago gets lumped in there, since they just finally started spending money this year.

My bias is showing i guess. I hate the White Sox :) Still though how likely are they (cubs) to stop spending money. Its a helleva lot harder to stay small then go big and then be small. Fans would be pissed off.

[Delirium]

Seriously guys, the reason why people are envious bitches of the Yankees is because Steinbrenner actually plays to WIN. - If you gave him Detroit's (vomit) and Milwaukee's ownership revenue, they would easily build a team that could win pennants for the next several milleniums. So stop complaining, it's just a fiscal matter where the Yanks are on the losing end, but actually have the accounting skills to make transactions.


True enough Steinbrenner isnt stupid i can admit that. The fact that he spends it though and always has a first place team is why its not fair. I imagine it like comparing a Lexus to a beat up Pinto and then when someone says hey you spent more say yeah but so what look at how great the engine runs. Sure it runs cause they allow Steinbrenner to spend so much when other sports there isnt as much disparity. My only relief is that there are more Yankee haters than Yankee lovers out there and one day this will be corrected hopefully. I think its much more fun and takes more skill to make a baseball team from the minors and use FAs to fill in the few holes you couldnt find in your own system.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

I think Nomar has a chance to end up on the Cubs next year. The Tribune has been spending the big bucks recently, and could easily outbid Steinbrenner if they desired. I think if the Cubs don't trade for a SS by the deadline this year, they'll be frontrunners for Nomar next year.

[Delirium]

I would actually enjoy it if the Cubs did that. I get to see a lot more Cubs than i do Red Sox and i like the player. Plus the Red Sox or the Cubs have to win sometime,might as well be in my life time.

Yeah.

We should all nix contract deviations and assemble our teams from the triple A's :lol:

That way Jeter can still be on the Yankees (regardless of his early slump,) and still have Mariano on the Yankees too.

Anyway, the idea is totally and utterly idiotic, no offense.

The problem with the Pinto metaphor is that when you have a billion dollars and keep it to yourself *cough-Selig-cough,* and still think it's m4d l33t to have engine fires every half a block with 4 cylinders, you AREN'T playing to win: -You are greedy, and a complete and utter fucking moron for not using your surplus to do something intelligent by buying a car that can actually drive you around the block

[Delirium]

Haha you can name two players that the Yankees grew on their own. Just out of curiousity why do you think all the other major sports have caps on salaries? Are they foolish to do so?

[Delirium]

Btw most teams do find their talent from the AAA's as you put it. 90% of most teams arent 30+ years old taken from smaller teams that either cant or wont afford them. I can also admit that a lot of the other owners who dont spend nearly enough are cash hoarding bastards too :)

Take the Twins for instance here. They lose Latroy Hawkins and Eddie Guardado in free agency. They have Joe Mauer in the minors who is ready to come up so they trade their ML catcher AJ Pierzynski to the giants for some minor league guys and Joe Nathan. He replaces Eddie and has been doing a good job. Then you have Juan Rincon who is ready so they move him to Latroy's spot. See not every team just goes out and BUYS what they need every single year. Which do you think takes more skill?

Haha you can name two players that the Yankees grew on their own. Just out of curiousity why do you think all the other major sports have caps on salaries? Are they foolish to do so?

Um, yeah. Mariano, Mariano, and jeter...

THEN AGAIN.., I see no problem with instituting salary caps on the MLB like the other lesser pro-sport leagues...

I mean, c'mon, Gretzky was practically begging to join the Kings :lol2: back in his prime.

Anyway, get rid of the MLB cap and there wil be an exodus of MVPs, Cy Youngs and Golden Gloves flocking to the NYY. Why!? Because someone with potential, let's say.. KG jr., REALLY was so desperate to play for the Reds that he ditched Seattle over frivolous circumstances.

Get rid of the cap, and they will play as true patriots for the teams they represent... Then they will dump their contracts and all join the Yankees roster, because getting rid of their income will at least leave them with the grim possibility of playing for the best MLB team in history. :smug:

[Delirium]

Do you really think all the good players flock to the Yankees for the tradition and Yankee Pride and all that crap? Why do they overpay so many of them do you think?

Haha. You just told me we should get rid of the salary cap.

And, this is the last time I will say it (with respect to no cap,) idiots playing on teams because they have offered them ridiculous sums, to be on a team where they have no recognition, no pride and no chance of ever seeing a post-season, will, for whatever they have left to cling on to, flock to a team with a club that will give them the recognition that they actually deserve. To reiterate on your aforementioned post, THIS IS THE HYPOTHETICAL IMPOSED-CAP SCENARIO, Delirium :)

[Delirium]

Actually i might have miswrote. I think there SHOULD be a cap and it shouldnt be a luxary tax slap on the wrist. There shouldnt be a $175 million gap between the lowest and highest teams when they have to compete against each other. If there wasnt a cap(and basically there isnt one cept a silly little tax) its always gonna lean toward the teams that spend WAY more. I still cant find where i said i didnt want a cap but ill let it go.

Don't matter much since the MLB will never institure a salary cap.

I do find it kind of funny how the league turned into a bunch of crybaby quitters threatening to strike (never happened) after Steinbrenner actually spent some cash early season.

::sigh:: Anyway, I'll let it go..

[Delirium]

Me too i just hope my ranting and raving annoys Weedmage enough in the morning. There had to be some kind of punishment given for saying Nomar is gonna be a Yankee :)

[Weedmage Princess]

LOL Delirium. Much to your chagrin I'm sure, it made me laugh. I pretty much agree 100% with Stanley (as frightening as that is) He made some very valid points that have been stated time and time again..yet ignored...by Yankee haters.

People seem to forget the business aspect of the sport and for that reason they don't appreciate what exactly Steinbrener has done for the team. Yes, they're the "Most Winningest Team In Baseball" but for a while..a long, painful while at that..they sucked. Mid 80's anyone? The Yankees and their fans were laughing stocks. Painful childhood memories of being mocked and ridiculed for liking the Yankees to this day is one of the main reasons I absolutely DESPISE the Mets and their fans..<twitch> Anyway, getting back from left field there...the Yankees didn't become "good" again til like early 90s..and then they took off. All that preparation finally paid off, we did the hard work and now other people/teams are bitching about it. Reminds me of that childhood story...I can't remember it exactly but it involves two animals in the summer...Animal A is frolicing all the time and doing nothing to prepare for the winter, while Animal B is gathering up things for the wintertime. This is like the winter coming and Animal A being pissed at Animal B as Stanley pointed out.

To be honest, the Red Sox have a damn good team this year...if Schilling's issue is as minor as Francona says it is and if Pedro decides to quit being a little bitch and play the game despite having "a headache" (:cry: <---this is Pedro) , I'll say they're a favorite for the World Series. Of course, they're also spending money too. That's just how it is.

[Weedmage Princess]

PS: Delirium, just so you know, you were the sole reason for my creating this thread :aww:

<cackle>

Painful childhood memories of being mocked and ridiculed for liking the Yankees to this day is one of the main reasons I absolutely DESPISE the Mets and their fans..

Go to Shea (vommit,) during a game when Trachsel is "pitching." And you will, under any circumstances, DESPISE the Mets.

[Sean]

You realize that because of revenue sharing and the luxury tax teams like Detroit benefit more than if the yankees just couldn't spend more money?

It's about spending money right. Stein puts money into his team, and while I'm sure a massive chunk ends up in his pocket, its more about winning. Look at the Mets. They reeked last year and had what the 2nd highest payroll? There is skill involved in plugging in holes from FA rather than your farm system. As well as marketing stategy. Who would you rather see play? An electrifying established player? or an unpolished AAA callup? I know who I'm gonna pay my ticket price to go see.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess
People seem to forget the business aspect of the sport There doesn't have to BE a business aspect. Players don't NEED to be paid 90 million, they just need to be paid enough so that it wouldn't make more sense for them to bring their other talents to bear (and you can't make very much off of EQ).

Also, I'm pretty sure guys working their way towards the majors get called up from AA. AAA is more of a rehabilitation/last chance league.

[Hulkein]

The problem with the new Yankee's team compared to the ones even three years ago is that now they are moving towards what the Mets did a few years ago.

A couple of years ago the Yankee's got the high paid FA yeah.. but they also had them longtime Yankee players on the rostor that the people loved and that made a difference in the clubhouse.

Seems to me like they don't have that anymore, but tell you the truth I don't follow the AL as much as the NL and my Phils.

PS. Thome 400, Griffey 500 HRs tonite hopefully, I'm heading to the game in a little bit.

[Delirium]

Damn you Weedy! I was supposed to annoy you not the other way around :)


You realize that because of revenue sharing and the luxury tax teams like Detroit benefit more than if the yankees just couldn't spend more money?

You mean the owner of Detroit benifits or the Detroit team benifits? Are you a fan of the Cowboys or the Redskins owner too? If you arnt now imagine if they signed 75% of all the good FAs out there(and they actually panned out and were good).


There is skill involved in plugging in holes from FA rather than your farm system. As well as marketing stategy. Who would you rather see play? An electrifying established player? or an unpolished AAA callup? I know who I'm gonna pay my ticket price to go see.

There definately is skill in signing FAs i can admit that. Look at the poor mets and Matsui and Cameron? I feel bad for them to have signed such busts. My Twins recently swept the poor Mets. However drafting someone or trading for a A ball guy and having them pan out and become good takes a LOT more skill. As for what id rather see yes id much rather have a rookie with the hooplah coming up and not knowing what their ceiling is than some 30+ year old guy who everyone knows whats expected from. I dont think there is a catcher in the majors right now id rather have than the 21 year old Joe Mauer for the Twins. Wernt you more excited when Jeter came up from the minors than you were when they signed Giambi or Sheffield? Dont you end up liking the ones you made from the beginning(Jeter,Posada,Williams and Mariano) than the greedy bitches that ran to the big paycheck.


but for a while..a long, painful while at that..they sucked. Mid 80's anyone? The Yankees and their fans were laughing stocks.

Ahh yes fond memories indeed. That was when they were just big spenders and not to the extreme that it is today.

The one thing i hold onto is the Yankees are cementing themselves into what they are doing today for a very long time. When all these old guys break down (Brown Mussina Sheff Giambi Williams) there minor league teams are barren at the moment. Dont they have one good prospect left down there who is a catcher? Id bet some money if i had any that they trade that last good guy left too by the end of the year for some extra part they dont even need.

[Sean]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess
People seem to forget the business aspect of the sport There doesn't have to BE a business aspect. Players don't NEED to be paid 90 million, they just need to be paid enough so that it wouldn't make more sense for them to bring their other talents to bear (and you can't make very much off of EQ).

Also, I'm pretty sure guys working their way towards the majors get called up from AA. AAA is more of a rehabilitation/last chance league.

This isn't a yankee problem though. Look at Pudge and Urbina. Both of them were willing to sit out and wait for what they felt they were owed, neither of which were the yankees fault. You could tell them to get bent but as an owner you'd be pretty stupid. That is a business investment thats necessary for the sport. You need drawing power. People don't pay the same kind of money to see a AA/AAA squad play that they do a Major League team.

[Parkbandit]

Football season is only 2 months away.

:up:

[Delirium]

This isn't a yankee problem though. Look at Pudge and Urbina. Both of them were willing to sit out and wait for what they felt they were owed, neither of which were the yankees fault.

It pains me to say this but you are right. This one isnt only the Yankees fault. All the owners who have been overpaying are guilty. They should have let both of them sit out the entire year and they would have fired that stupid Bora$ bastard agent they have.

[Sean]

Maybe, maybe not. Their contracts are being paid for by yankee revenue sharing money basically. The owners didn't really lose anything by signing them. And picking up those contracts sent a message to fans that they were willing to commit funds to winning and reversing their team. Baseball is a business.

[SnatchWrangler]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
Football season is only 2 months away.

:up:

3 months, I think the first game is Sept 12th. They need to extend the season to 18 games with 2 bye weeks per team. Enough of this baseball nonsense already.

[Delirium]

Im so glad i actually like more than football. I actually pity all you football only guys. You should watch arena football or something even though that shit sucks.

[TheEschaton]

Football season is only 2 months away.



Amen.

Any sport which doesn't have a salary cap = teh suck. Where would Green Bay (and Buffalo, I'll admit it!) be without the salary cap?

And I don't just like football. I like hockey (already over), I like soccer (no one in this country fucking watches it), I like golf, etc.

Baseball and basketball can suck MY balls, as far as I'm concerned.

-TheE-

[SnatchWrangler]

Originally posted by Delirium
Im so glad i actually like more than football. I actually pity all you football only guys. You should watch arena football or something even though that shit sucks.

I've tried, it's pretty much unwatchable. I love hockey, basketball is okay, although some of the matchups this year left something to be desired.

It's the 3 month sports deadzone known as the summer, that gets to me. When the only thing going on is games 230-536 of the insanely long baseball season.

[Delirium]

Can you even watch Soccer in this country? Wasnt there some big soccer matches going on recently? I take back my pity from before. I now pity any true soccer fans who live in the US :)

Just watch 50-60 games of your hometown team for baseball. I admit i can see how some people feel its boring but its really not. Its just a whole lot more subtle. A 1000 page book compared to a short story can have a lot deeper plot and by the end of the book you're more emotionally involved and in the end its much more satisfying(or heartbreaking).

[Sean]

If your a yankee fan in the area you can watch basically all 162 games + playoffs. Didn't the Twin's try something similar and it just didn't work though?

Didn't the mets just opt out of their contract with the WB/WPIX in New York so that they can try too? But seriously who the fuck wants the watch the mets.

[Edited on 6-14-2004 by Tijay]

[Delirium]

Yeah they did and it was ugly. I missed the first 30 games of the year and had to use gameday. They did it very foolishly though as they couldnt get the Twolves to go in with them in their new network. So finally after i was completely pissed they relented and signed a 8 year contract with Fox Sports Net. Thank God!! I now dont have to spend my time emailing Victory Sports One(network they tried to make) and my cable company with death threats.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

I've seen almost every Cubs game this year so far. I missed one series because I was out of town. That's one reason why I love baseball, there are so many games to catch. Football is probably my favorite sport, but the week long wait inbetween games is rough. Especially when your team loses.

In baseball, your team has at least two more chances to redeem themselves in a series.

[TheEschaton]

But that's the whole point. Games become meaningless when you have 162 of them, which is almost double the next largest schedule for a sport.


In a 16 game season, every game matters.


-TheE-

[Sean]

Every game does matter in baseball. For example the recent debate about interleague play being unfair because of its scheduling. I think it was the NL West where the dodger and the padres are both close. And in a division where 1 game at the end of the season might make the difference. Yet the Pads get to play teams like the Devil Rays in interleague and the Dodgers don't. This is just 1 example how even with 162 games every game can count.

[AnticorRifling]

Get the piano back then we'll talk.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
But that's the whole point. Games become meaningless when you have 162 of them, which is almost double the next largest schedule for a sport.


In a 16 game season, every game matters.

Last season the Cubs won their division by one single game. I'd say that disproves the "games are meaningless" idea.

[Sean]

Seriously ThE coming from a hockey fan you should have known better than to say that. Hockey has 82 games thats 5x the number of games in football so you can argue that hockey games don't count either and they aren't worth watching because it's not do or die.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Tijay
This isn't a yankee problem though.True, however, the Yankees are (and have been for quite some time) the #1 offender.

I watch Mets games. :( Once they got rid of Mo, anyway.