Stat placement ideas

[AnticorRifling]

I'm looking to make a forest gnome ranger because it looks fun. What I need are some ideas for stat placement.

Training would be as follow:
1-2x Armor
2x ranged
2x ambush
2x perception
2x stalk/hide
1x spells
2x FA
2x Survival

I'd appreciate input on the matter, keep in mind this doesn't need to be for super growth he won't see past 30 (I'm realistic) so the stats need to be placed so they give enough points and grow some but I don't want to suffer early for no reason.

Heck I'll probably just OHE/Shield him for the first 10-15 lvls then insta-migrate him.

Thanks in advance.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by AnticorRifling
I'm looking to make a forest gnome ranger because it looks fun. What I need are some ideas for stat placement.

Training would be as follow:
1-2x Armor
2x ranged
2x ambush
2x perception
2x stalk/hide
1x spells
2x FA
2x Survival

I'd appreciate input on the matter, keep in mind this doesn't need to be for super growth he won't see past 30 (I'm realistic) so the stats need to be placed so they give enough points and grow some but I don't want to suffer early for no reason.

Heck I'll probably just OHE/Shield him for the first 10-15 lvls then insta-migrate him.

Thanks in advance.

You forgot some biggies...

Harness Power (You will need mana)
Physical Training (You will need hps)
Climbing (at least 4 ranks)
Dodging (You will need some chance of not getting hit)

Have you even tried to put it through Tsoran's spreadsheet yet? I don't think you will have enough points off the top of my head to do all you want.

[Chadj]

My ranger is pretty good.. when I get home, I will give the stats for him.

[Parkbandit]

Your ranger blows.

My ranger > Chadj's ranger.

[Chadj]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
Your ranger blows.

My ranger > Chadj's ranger.

Possibly.

Yet unlikely.

[TheEschaton]

Yeah, those are biggies. What I did to compensate was to drop perception/ambush to 1.5x, and go up to armor only to doubles. It sucks, but ranger archers are pretty tough.


-TheE-

[AnticorRifling]

Forgot, he will 1x PT and 1x dodge also I had the points for that after just tossing some numbers in. I've never played a ranger so I don't know what will or will not work for a ranger stat wise. HP I should be able to get 2 ranks every 3 lvls.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
Yeah, those are biggies. What I did to compensate was to drop perception/ambush to 1.5x, and go up to armor only to doubles. It sucks, but ranger archers are pretty tough.


-TheE-

My ranger's only 30.. but he had enough to do it all and still get into brig. Not sure if he is fully trained for it yet (I'll post his stats later tonight) but splash on some ranger strength and wizard strength.. and I have no problem using a longbow in 3 seconds.

[TheEschaton]

What race is he?


-TheE-

[Parkbandit]

Um.. duh.

The only REAL race there is... Dwarven. :)

[Stunseed]

My Ranger > All of theirs.

I don't do gnomes, but I'll post Stun's stats in a few.

[AnticorRifling]

How's this look?

Race: Forest Gnome Profession: Ranger (not shown)
Gender: Male Age: 0 Expr: 10 Level: 0
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 79 (4) ... 79 (4)
Constitution (CON): 70 (20) ... 70 (20)
Dexterity (DEX): 73 (16) ... 73 (16)
Agility (AGI): 70 (20) ... 70 (20)
Discipline (DIS): 70 (15) ... 70 (15)
Aura (AUR): 79 (14) ... 79 (14)
Logic (LOG): 53 (6) ... 53 (6)
Intuition (INT): 73 (11) ... 73 (11)
Wisdom (WIS): 73 (16) ... 73 (16)
Influence (INF): 20 (-20) ... 20 (-20)
Mana: 11 Silver: 727

(at level 0), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 10 2
Ranged Weapons.....................| 10 2
Ambush.............................| 10 2
Physical Fitness...................| 5 1
Dodging............................| 5 1
Survival...........................| 10 2
Stalking and Hiding................| 10 2
Perception.........................| 10 2
First Aid..........................| 10 2

Spell Lists
Ranger.............................| 1

Just logged him in haven't even moved around yet. The name, though very German, kicks ass.

[Stunseed]

You've chosen a ranged one. Please refer to Elrodin. That is all.

[AnticorRifling]

Originally posted by Stunseed
You've chosen a ranged one. Please refer to Elrodin. That is all.

Why the hell else would be a ranger?

[Artha]

Rogues kick so much more ass at archery it's crazy.

[Drew]

I think he looks really awesome, he'll be an amazing skinner.

[Carl Spackler]

Level 0 Stats for Rhayz, Half-Elf Ranger

Strength (STR): 80
Constitution (CON): 50
Dexterity (DEX): 90
Agility (AGI): 70
Discipline (DIS): 70
Aura (AUR): 70
Logic (LOG): 50
Intuition (INT): 90
Wisdom (WIS): 70
Influence (INF): 20

Rhayz (at level 28), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 120 30
Combat Maneuvers...................| 82 18
Ranged Weapons.....................| 158 58
Ambush.............................| 117 29
Physical Fitness...................| 102 24
Dodging............................| 93 21
Harness Power......................| 117 29
Spirit Mana Control................| 99 23
Survival...........................| 117 29
Stalking and Hiding................| 158 58
Perception.........................| 158 58
Climbing...........................| 50 10
Swimming...........................| 50 10
First Aid..........................| 50 10
Trading............................| 102 24

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 10

Spell Lists
Ranger.............................| 19


You don't need 1x dodge, 3/4 Mobility will make it up.... you should consider going .5 combat manuevers too, to take advantage of mfire and stuff like that when it comes out. Sending mana is a nice advantage too, so don't forget spirit control.

[Carl Spackler]

Also, you can 1x survival and 1x FA and you'll be more than fine, remember you have the skinning spell, it really comes in handy

[Edited on 6-11-2004 by Carl Spackler]

[Artha]

to take advantage of mfire and stuff like that when it comes out.

Why bother with mfire? Unless you can aim at multiple targets, it'll be pretty useless, since the first shot should be a kill or a stun.

[Carl Spackler]

If the first shot is only a stun and not a kill, then the multiple arrows would have a use... would they not?

[Artha]

Sure, but it depends on how much RT you get. I'd rather take two 7 second shots with time to react in between than one 12 (I'm pulling this number straight out of my ass) second shot in which I'm screwed if something walks in.

It's cool that archers are getting something though.

[Carl Spackler]

Well, as a ranged ranger, I know i would love to be able to fire more than one shot at a time.

[Parkbandit]

I would use it for shadow mastery right now.. then convert when it does become available.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Artha
Rogues kick so much more ass at archery it's crazy.

If they have mastered gambits.. I can somewhat agree with you.

But I love mobility and camo. Nothing like an extra boost of +30 for a few arrows from hiding. Mass calm is sweet for big swarms too.

[Carl Spackler]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
I would use it for shadow mastery right now.. then convert when it does become available.

thats what I've done, I think it's the right way to go

[AnticorRifling]

I decided to use the system to my advantage. I'm going to OHE him til at least 10 then switch his training and stats while I still have fast migration.

[Stunseed]

That's right....Join the Dark side, Anticor. You'll never go back.

MUAHAHAHA!

[AnticorRifling]

Originally posted by Stunseed
That's right....Join the Dark side, Anticor. You'll never go back.

MUAHAHAHA!

Polearms 4 Life!

[Artha]

Polearms 4 Life!

...is what you'll be saying until you go ranged.

[AnticorRifling]

Anticor = polearms
Bard = polearms
warrior = polearms
rogue = OHE
ranger = ranged

[Artha]

Just wait. Just wait.

[Stunseed]

Ranger -- OHE
Wizard -- OHE
Bard -- Polearms
Cleric -- Brawling.

You can't go wrong if I've even got a wizard at OHE!
< Even if it is .5x >

[Artha]

Rogue - Ranged
Wizard - Runestaff

...ranged wins.

[Parkbandit]

Strength (STR): 90 (30) ... 90 (30)
Constitution (CON): 70 (25) ... 70 (25)
Dexterity (DEX): 89 (19) ... 89 (19)
Agility (AGI): 88 (14) ... 88 (14)
Discipline (DIS): 94 (32) ... 94 (32)
Aura (AUR): 95 (12) ... 95 (12)
Logic (LOG): 60 (10) ... 60 (10)
Intuition (INT): 79 (14) ... 79 (14)
Wisdom (WIS): 75 (12) ... 75 (12)
Influence (INF): 32 (-19) ... 32 (-19)

(at level 30), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 122 31
Ranged Weapons.....................| 164 64
Ambush.............................| 164 64
Physical Fitness...................| 108 26
Dodging............................| 122 31
Harness Power......................| 96 22
Stalking and Hiding................| 156 56
Perception.........................| 164 64
Climbing...........................| 40 8
Swimming...........................| 20 4
First Aid..........................| 122 31

30 spells (all ranger)

[AnticorRifling]

What were the stats at zero? I'll use something like that as a groundline and then move numbers as appropriate for the race.

[Anebriated]

Level 0 Stats for Elrodin, Elf Ranger

Strength (STR): 80
Constitution (CON): 50
Dexterity (DEX): 85
Agility (AGI): 70
Discipline (DIS): 75
Aura (AUR): 70
Logic (LOG): 70
Intuition (INT): 80
Wisdom (WIS): 60
Influence (INF): 20

>skill
Elrodin (at level 44), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 111 27
Ranged Weapons.....................| 192 92
Brawling...........................| 192 92
Ambush.............................| 146 46
Physical Fitness...................| 146 46
Dodging............................| 146 46
Harness Power......................| 146 46
Spirit Mana Control................| 82 18
Stalking and Hiding................| 190 90
Perception.........................| 190 90
Climbing...........................| 90 20
Swimming...........................| 50 10

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 5

Spell Lists
Ranger.............................| 40

[Anebriated]

Of course my plan will change drastically should they nerf voln fu when monks and open hand combat is introduced but for the last few years this plan(or one very similar) has worked for me.

Ranger - archer
Wizard - polearm
Warrior - polearm
Bard - archer

To each their own. I have found that each one is extremely powerful in their own ways. On a side note, archery is just flat out better, that is all.

[Stunseed]

Strength (STR): 94 (27) ... 94 (27)
Constitution (CON): 95 (22) ... 95 (22)
Dexterity (DEX): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Agility (AGI): 97 (23) ... 97 (23)
Discipline (DIS): 83 (16) ... 83 (16)
Aura (AUR): 71 (10) ... 71 (10)
Logic (LOG): 64 (12) ... 64 (12)
Intuition (INT): 90 (25) ... 90 (25)
Wisdom (WIS): 73 (11) ... 73 (11)
Influence (INF): 39 (-5) ... 39 (-5)

Armor Use..........................| 171 71
Shield Use.........................| 148 48
Combat Maneuvers...................| 148 48
Edged Weapons......................| 196 96
Ambush.............................| 148 48
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 25 5
Physical Fitness...................| 154 54
Dodging............................| 144 44
Harness Power......................| 145 45
Spirit Mana Control................| 122 31
Survival...........................| 141 41
Stalking and Hiding................| 155 55
Perception.........................| 124 32
Climbing...........................| 90 20
Swimming...........................| 15 3

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 7

Spell Lists
Ranger.............................| 40

Bah hum-bug to Archery.

[Anebriated]

Alright, I have a question and I hope someone here can answer it. I know that training in spells over 1x per train gives a higher penalty for redux to the point where its near impossible to get it. My question is this, what happens if you train ahead in spells with the new mid-level training?

[Artha]

It probably counts as being more than 1x.

[Anebriated]

Alright, i was afraid of that. Same thing apply for the 0 level spell?

[Artha]

Probably.

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Originally posted by AnticorRifling
I'm looking to make a forest gnome ranger because it looks fun. What I need are some ideas for stat placement.

Training would be as follow:
1-2x Armor
2x ranged
2x ambush
2x perception
2x stalk/hide
1x spells
2x FA
2x Survival

I'd appreciate input on the matter, keep in mind this doesn't need to be for super growth he won't see past 30 (I'm realistic) so the stats need to be placed so they give enough points and grow some but I don't want to suffer early for no reason.

Heck I'll probably just OHE/Shield him for the first 10-15 lvls then insta-migrate him.

Thanks in advance.

I do not play anymore, so I am going to assume a few things. Yes, that makes both you and me an ass for even considering what I propose...

Gnomes should be set up for magic and crafts. Fill in the blanks. High at low levels for faster advancement, low at low levels for a really hard time.

[Amberlei]

I have a forest gnome archer and she's great. At level 25, she can take out tundra giants without too much of a problem. I started her out as OHE also, but switched her over to archery at about 8 trains or so, and haven't regretted it once. When I still had her using OHE, I was out trying to ambush one golem or the other, and got a message that the leg I was trying to ambush was out of reach. I know gnomes are tiny, but too tiny to even reach a leg? :?:


Skill-wise, I left her at level 9 in armor usage, as I don't plan to ever take her out of doubles.

Combat maneuvers 1X

Ranged weapons, 2X

Physical fitness 20 (this is where she plateaued at HP. I took PF up to 30, but HP stayed the same, so I migrated it back down. I'd been training her in this at 2X until it topped out.)

Dodging 1X

Magic item use 0.67X

Harness power 1X

Spell aiming 0.67X

Spirit mana control 1X

Survival 1X

Perception 1.5X

Climbing 0.3X

Swimming 0.3X

First aid 1X

Spells 1.15X

I did have her 1X'ed in stalking and hiding and ambushing once upon a time, but migrated those back down. She likes group hunting and it's much easier to group hunt if you're visible. I had thought that dropping ambush would mean fewer critical hits, but she gets just as many now as when she was trained in ambushing. I used the points to train in MIU and Spell aiming so that she can use ranger made rods with e-wave and other fun spells.

She's successful at skinning at least 75% of the time without using the skinning spell and only being 1X trained, though the spell is great for those times when she really wants a hide.

Hope this helps you out some. I think you're going to have a lot of fun with your new ranger.

I haven't been playing very long and she's my first and favorite character. :smilegrin:

[Artha]

You should go back to 2xing ambush. It raises your ranged AS, and you should see a pretty significant raise.

[Bobmuhthol]

Sorcerer - Twohanded
Warrior - Twohanded
Warrior - Twohanded
Rogue - Ranged

I think we know what the real winner is.

[Artha]

Ranged, obviously.