"Occupy Wall Street" videos

[Tgo01]

Or QQing about protest after his party spent a full election cycle being all "Yay, protest!" Oh wait, he is doing that.

Wait what?

[Parkbandit]

Or QQing about protest after his party spent a full election cycle being all "Yay, protest!" Oh wait, he is doing that.

Which party is "his party"?

[EasternBrand]

Which party is "his party"?

Well, it's obviously not the Frat Party.

[Parkbandit]

Well, it's obviously not the Frat Party.

Are you sure? I thought WB meant to specify a political party, but there was nothing on the sign that stated what party he was in.. which is why I asked the question.

So, WB.. which party is "his party"?

[AnticorRifling]

I hope his minimum wage job does him well.

I heard everyone starts out making big bucks.....

[Warriorbird]

I heard everyone starts out making big bucks.....

I heard this line. From PB to Bob, if I remember right, about how it was easy to make judgments before you were out in the real world. I'm sure this guy has every eventuality covered.

[Parkbandit]

Wait, which party again?

[Warriorbird]

Wait, which party again?

Dutifully listening to my local conservative radio station, the fellow who wrote it is a young Republican.

[Parkbandit]

Dutifully listening to my local conservative radio station, the fellow who wrote it is a young Republican.

Really?

Hey, you wouldn't happen to have a link to such a claim, would you? You don't seem the kind of liberal that would listen to conservative radio.

I will give you a 4/10 for coming up with an excuse for your previous post though.

[Warriorbird]

Really?

Hey, you wouldn't happen to have a link to such a claim, would you? You don't seem the kind of liberal that would listen to conservative radio.

I will give you a 4/10 for coming up with an excuse for your previous post though.

No past show streaming, but here.

http://wlni.com/

[Parkbandit]

No past show streaming, but here.

http://wlni.com/

Not a link to a conservative radio station near you... an article about this sign being discussed on the radio.

But you knew that already...

[Stretch]

I'll admit that I'm a little confused. What exactly are these guys expecting to get out of all this, aside from 15 seconds of fame?

It kind of feels like a vegetarian boycotting a steakhouse. Sure, it's annoying, and maybe they sell a few less garden burgers, but I don't really see anything happening...

[Tgo01]

I'll admit that I'm a little confused. What exactly are these guys expecting to get out of all this, aside from 15 seconds of fame?

I think they actually believe they will change the world. Governments will crumble, 'the people' will step in to fill the previous role of the government, everyone will have their student loans and debts forgiven, wars will end forever and everyone will apparently work for the betterment of mankind. Just like Star Trek.

In reality they'll just mooch off of donors and government hand outs, y'know the people who actually work for the evil corporations they loath and the government they hate. Eventually people will either grow tired of their bullshit and stop donating, or the people themselves will get bored or perhaps get a job and forget this nonsense.

[Deathravin]

http://i.imgur.com/ICTAa.jpg

The strange thing to me is that one of their main frustrations I've seen completely shared by conservatives.

When the banks were 'too big to fail' and had to be bailed out, I think anybody who understood the situation would have to agree: the bailouts were indeed necessary to prevent a worldwide credit clusterfuck. But what the government didn't understand is that if any company is 'too big to fail', then to keep capitalism alive is to ensure a company can fail.

The OWS's solution (from what I can gather from the placards I've seen) is to make sure, just with anti-monopolistic laws we need to ensure any company can fail without bringing down the country and the world with it. That there is enough competition that the remaining companies can pick up the slack.

I suppose conservatives and the OWS people agree about the bailouts being wrong. They simply disagree on the solution. Conservatives want a big company to fail and assume more robust companies will pick up the pieces regardless of how big, unique or ubiquitous the company is. That the world can withstand the turmoil and come out on the other side stronger than before.

[Parkbandit]

http://i.imgur.com/ICTAa.jpg

The strange thing to me is that one of their main frustrations I've seen completely shared by conservatives.

When the banks were 'too big to fail' and had to be bailed out, I think anybody who understood the situation would have to agree: the bailouts were indeed necessary to prevent a worldwide credit clusterfuck. But what the government didn't understand is that if any company is 'too big to fail', then to keep capitalism alive is to ensure a company can fail.

The OWS's solution (from what I can gather from the placards I've seen) is to make sure, just with anti-monopolistic laws we need to ensure any company can fail without bringing down the country and the world with it. That there is enough competition that the remaining companies can pick up the slack.

I suppose conservatives and the OWS people agree about the bailouts being wrong. They simply disagree on the solution. Conservatives want a big company to fail and assume more robust companies will pick up the pieces regardless of how big, unique or ubiquitous the company is. That the world can withstand the turmoil and come out on the other side stronger than before.

What "placards" did you come up with this "theory"?

[Deathravin]

I'll admit that I'm a little confused. What exactly are these guys expecting to get out of all this, aside from 15 seconds of fame?

It kind of feels like a vegetarian boycotting a steakhouse. Sure, it's annoying, and maybe they sell a few less garden burgers, but I don't really see anything happening...

A better analogy would be steak-eaters boycotting a steakhouse for how they prepare their steak, and where they buy their steak; From the only two companies in the country who sell meat. They both abuse the animals, inject drugs into the them that hurt the people who eat the meat, and who work together to keep their monopoly on meat.

Only in this land, you can't eat any other food... Oh sure you can pick up your family and move to another country where they just eat the meat from two different Turkey farmers who do the same things. But you like eating steak. Steak used to be much better than it is now.


And anybody who thinks a third party can do anything but spoil the chances of the party that's closest to their message in a first past the post voting system is deluding themselves.

[Warriorbird]

Not a link to a conservative radio station near you... an article about this sign being discussed on the radio.

But you knew that already...

And the source that it was sourced from. FB page of a conservative radio station in Atlanta. The local morning show sourced it from there. It made them so giddy they had to talk about it twice.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150360213277402&set=a.425800997401.198359.91314502401&type=3&theater

[AnticorRifling]

Lol:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/using-occupy-wall-street-to-pick-up-chicks/

[Warriorbird]

"Occupy Wall... 10-18-2011 10:07 AM i bet your familys company hires illegals at cheap pay

We gave up actually picking grapes.

[AnticorRifling]

That's not a NO WB....

[Warriorbird]

That's not a NO WB....

We once hired somebody with a suspended license (for a DUI) to do tasting on our cheapest wine. I suppose that could be considered an illegal. We didn't pay him.

[AnticorRifling]

Hired but not paid? SLAVERY!!!!

[Warriorbird]

Hired but not paid? SLAVERY!!!!

Obviously. You might see him at Occupy Wall Street if he managed to hitch a ride.

[Ceyrin]

lol

http://www.gpariseau.com/wwwroot/lol.jpg

When I first started reading this, I thought it was a crb troll.

[Atlanteax]

http://cagle.com/working/111017/allie.jpg

Not to drag an editorial cartoon in here, but I thought this one was interesting. Sort of makes me wonder just how many of the protestors at the "Occupy" are indeed there to protest for a reform to the financial system.

Also, the inference to there being a reverse perception slant when it comes to the Tea Party.

[crb]

When I first started reading this, I thought it was a crb troll.

Ironically, when I read it, I thought "Damn right, good for you."

What is it about self sufficient people that offends you so Ceyrin? Does someone making their own way in the world make you feel small for all the hand holding you need?

[crb]

I think they actually believe they will change the world. Governments will crumble, 'the people' will step in to fill the previous role of the government, everyone will have their student loans and debts forgiven, wars will end forever and everyone will apparently work for the betterment of mankind. Just like Star Trek.

In reality they'll just mooch off of donors and government hand outs, y'know the people who actually work for the evil corporations they loath and the government they hate. Eventually people will either grow tired of their bullshit and stop donating, or the people themselves will get bored or perhaps get a job and forget this nonsense.

Or there is snow. I'm waiting for a blizzard. They'll need a lot of starbucks to stay warm those nights. Is there an 24 hour starbucks by that park?

[crb]

http://i.imgur.com/ICTAa.jpg

The strange thing to me is that one of their main frustrations I've seen completely shared by conservatives.

When the banks were 'too big to fail' and had to be bailed out, I think anybody who understood the situation would have to agree: the bailouts were indeed necessary to prevent a worldwide credit clusterfuck. But what the government didn't understand is that if any company is 'too big to fail', then to keep capitalism alive is to ensure a company can fail.

The OWS's solution (from what I can gather from the placards I've seen) is to make sure, just with anti-monopolistic laws we need to ensure any company can fail without bringing down the country and the world with it. That there is enough competition that the remaining companies can pick up the slack.

I suppose conservatives and the OWS people agree about the bailouts being wrong. They simply disagree on the solution. Conservatives want a big company to fail and assume more robust companies will pick up the pieces regardless of how big, unique or ubiquitous the company is. That the world can withstand the turmoil and come out on the other side stronger than before.

I thought TARP was a bad idea. I didn't like it. I thought the banks should fail.

BUT.... factually... the bank loans were profitable for the government. The government made billions of dollars. Also, factually, not every bank who took money wanted to. They were coerced because it was for the "good of the country" to avoid stigmatizing the banks that did need it. Also, factually, once the administration started attaching rules to the money, some banks tried to pay it back and were not allowed to do so. They had to wait, and when finally allowed to do so by Obama and Geithner, they paid it back immediately. Also, factually, the banks paid these loans back a long time ago, with interest (the billions previously mentioned). Also, factually, banks aren't doing good right now. They don't have record profits, they're really kinda shitty.

So these protesters are complaining that the banks which were bailed out (repayed, and not everyone wanted the money anyways), who are making "record profits" (incorrect, financials are in the dog house), are... what? Preventing jobs from being created? Not forgiving student loans (nevermind that Goldman Sachs does not offer a student loan product), what?

They want to punish these banks, who are doing shitty, more, for taking money that they already paid back with interest, some of whom never wanted it to begin with.

Meanwhile the three places who have not paid the government back. GM (UAW), Chrysler, and AIG, are not being protested. We'll take a loss on those three bailouts.

They don't seem to have a grasp of any sort of reality. If they're angry about TARP, they're crying over spilt milk. Executives got shit canned, the worst banks were liquidated, bank stocks are in the basement compared to their highs, earnings are down and unlikely to ever go back up to previous levels, and tens of thousands of financial sector workers got pink slips too. People were punished, the loan was repayed.

[~Rocktar~]

People were punished, the loan was repayed.

And the real, structural reason for the banking and financial melt down is still there. Poor lending practices, repeal of the suite of laws to prevent bad lending, toxic debt, usary level interest for the uneducated or desperate poor ensuring economic slavery and massive deficit spending are all still rampant. It likely would have cost a lot less and done a lot more for the country for the government to have sent a check for 50K to every adult citizen in the US than the failed stimulus package and various bailout programs. I can't say for sure if it would have been less expensive since we don't have any real, factual accounting of the cost of all these failed spending programs due to the political smoke and mirrors of the current administration.

Anyways, the protests are more of the same misguided liberal mush heads looking in the wrong direction for who to blame and doing feel good protests of no value. Flashback to the 60's anyone?

[Tgo01]

News that I'm sure surprises no one 'most Americans Uncertain About "Occupy Wall Street" Goals.' (http://www.gallup.com/poll/150164/Americans-Uncertain-Occupy-Wall-Street-Goals.aspx)

63% of people don't know enough to say whether they agree or disagree with the movement's goals and 55% don't know enough to agree or disagree with the way the protests are being conducted.

52% are neither a supporter or an opponent of the movement.

So basically America's attitude towards the movement is 'meh.'

[4a6c1]

With the "willfully clueless" attitude of conservatives right now against this anti-corporaton movement I'm just really suprised the US ever got past big steel and railroad barons. It's a hundred years ago all over again. So sad. I fully expect a whole new depression in the next 15 years, followed by denial and the rich blaming the poor.

[Tgo01]

With the "willfully clueless" attitude of conservatives right now against this anti-corporaton movement I'm just really suprised the US ever got past big steel and railroad barons. It's a hundred years ago all over again. So sad. I fully expect a whole new depression in the next 15 years, followed by denial and the rich blaming the poor.

Warriorbird get off of Rojo's account!

[Parkbandit]

With the "willfully clueless" attitude of conservatives right now against this anti-corporaton movement I'm just really suprised the US ever got past big steel and railroad barons. It's a hundred years ago all over again. So sad. I fully expect a whole new depression in the next 15 years, followed by denial and the rich blaming the poor.

http://pichars.org/store/1998_original_1998_original_voH5a..

[DoctorUnne]

I thought TARP was a bad idea. I didn't like it. I thought the banks should fail.

BUT.... factually... the bank loans were profitable for the government. The government made billions of dollars. Also, factually, not every bank who took money wanted to. They were coerced because it was for the "good of the country" to avoid stigmatizing the banks that did need it. Also, factually, once the administration started attaching rules to the money, some banks tried to pay it back and were not allowed to do so. They had to wait, and when finally allowed to do so by Obama and Geithner, they paid it back immediately. Also, factually, the banks paid these loans back a long time ago, with interest (the billions previously mentioned). Also, factually, banks aren't doing good right now. They don't have record profits, they're really kinda shitty.

So these protesters are complaining that the banks which were bailed out (repayed, and not everyone wanted the money anyways), who are making "record profits" (incorrect, financials are in the dog house), are... what? Preventing jobs from being created? Not forgiving student loans (nevermind that Goldman Sachs does not offer a student loan product), what?

They want to punish these banks, who are doing shitty, more, for taking money that they already paid back with interest, some of whom never wanted it to begin with.

Meanwhile the three places who have not paid the government back. GM (UAW), Chrysler, and AIG, are not being protested. We'll take a loss on those three bailouts.

They don't seem to have a grasp of any sort of reality. If they're angry about TARP, they're crying over spilt milk. Executives got shit canned, the worst banks were liquidated, bank stocks are in the basement compared to their highs, earnings are down and unlikely to ever go back up to previous levels, and tens of thousands of financial sector workers got pink slips too. People were punished, the loan was repayed.

This is pretty spot on.

[DoctorUnne]

I think these protesters need to separate their arguments against income inequality, which are legit, from their arguments against the banks, a lot of which are really unfounded in my opinion. I guess Wall Street makes a convenient staging ground but there are as many filthy rich entrepreneurs as there are hedge fund managers and there are as many overpaid CEOs of consumer and healthcare companies as there are bank CEOs.

The financial crisis and current economic malaise were primarily caused by too much leverage, and that is not only the fault of the banks. The US consumer was over-levered and governments across the world are over-levered. We are all to blame partly. I guess people need a scapegoat though.

[Bobmuhthol]

I have been blaming the government for practically every problem that people complain about, and I would think more people would share my views and be anti-government, but for some reason it's not happening. Leverage was a problem? Blame Congress, brah. No Glass-Steagall really fucked us.

[Warriorbird]

Warriorbird get off of Rojo's account!

I wouldn't blame anybody for being all on Rojo's account. Rawr.

[Androidpk]

$6.2 billion in gains in the 3Q for Bank of America.

[Warriorbird]

No Glass-Steagall really fucked us.

Carter Glass was a racist asshole but he did some stuff very very well.

[Rinualdo]

$6.2 billion in gains in the 3Q for Bank of America.

But the more money companies make, the more people they will hire.
Amirite (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/02/us-bankofamerica-idUSTRE7816RQ20110902)?

[DoctorUnne]

$6.2 billion in gains in the 3Q for Bank of America.

Bank of America's net income in this quarter is dwarfed by its inestimable mortgage-related lawsuit liabilities.

[4a6c1]

http://pichars.org/store/1998_original_1998_original_voH5a..

Oh, PB! You should just tell us what it was like so we can get ready.

:-X

[sst]

Oh, PB! You should just tell us what it was like so we can get ready.

:-X

Well, We can start with murdering about 60 million people...

[Parkbandit]

$6.2 billion in gains in the 3Q for Bank of America.

And since 6.2 billion is a big number.. they are evil!

Might want to take a look at their entire financial well-being..

[Back]

Occupy Wall Street gets the Daily Show treatment by John Oliver. Click the “The 99%” video. Hilarious.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/

or try this link...

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-october-18-2011/the-99-?xrs=share_copy

[Parkbandit]

Oh, PB! You should just tell us what it was like so we can get ready.

:-X

Pick up a book maybe?

[crb]

Bank of America's net income in this quarter is dwarfed by its inestimable mortgage-related lawsuit liabilities.
This, and they have capital reserve problems. This is why it is a $6 stock, not a $50 stock.

They may have cash, but their liabilities are through the roof.

[crb]

Now apparently the canadian marketing firm that started Occupy Wall Street is trying to organize a new "Robin Hood Day" march where they would demand money to be taken from the rich and given to them.

These people are pretty much straight marxists, even if they don't realize it.

[Rinualdo]

Now apparently the canadian marketing firm that started Occupy Wall Street is trying to organize a new "Robin Hood Day" march where they would demand money to be taken from the rich and given to them.

These people are pretty much straight marxists, even if they don't realize it.

And some of the tea party organizers were very clearly racist. Does this mean that entire movement should also be marginalized?

[crb]

And some of the tea party organizers were very clearly racist. Does this mean that entire movement should also be marginalized?
The tea party didn't organize a "hang blacky" day. Some of these OWS people are racist too, unless you don't count jews, they're not really people, eh comrade?

I'm not saying some fringe elements of OWS are marxist, I'm saying the vast majority are, if they're planning a march to demand wealth seizure and redistribution - that is pretty marxist. I bet you if you surveyed them and asked if "To each according to his need, from each according to his ability." is a good philosophy, they'd say yes.

[4a6c1]

Well, We can start with murdering about 60 million people...

It occurs to me more and more that we might need to acclimate you to civilized society. Soon. Before you go into withdrawal and start Dextering your neighbors.

[Rinualdo]

The tea party didn't organize a "hang blacky" day. Some of these OWS people are racist too, unless you don't count jews, they're not really people, eh comrade?

I'm not saying some fringe elements of OWS are marxist, I'm saying the vast majority are, if they're planning a march to demand wealth seizure and redistribution - that is pretty marxist. I bet you if you surveyed them and asked if "To each according to his need, from each according to his ability." is a good philosophy, they'd say yes.

Source please.

[Rinualdo]

Bonus.
Tea party urges businesses to stop hiring to hurt Obama (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/tea-party-nation-urges-businesses-stop-hiring-order-hurt-obama).

I wonder if this is a "vast majority"?

[Warriorbird]

The tea party didn't organize a "hang blacky" day. Some of these OWS people are racist too, unless you don't count jews, they're not really people, eh comrade?

I'm not saying some fringe elements of OWS are marxist, I'm saying the vast majority are, if they're planning a march to demand wealth seizure and redistribution - that is pretty marxist. I bet you if you surveyed them and asked if "To each according to his need, from each according to his ability." is a good philosophy, they'd say yes.

I'm not sure that Mark Williams was that far off from a "hang blackie" day.

http://gawker.com/5588556/the-embarrassing-racist-satire-of-tea-party-leader-mark-williams

Tea Party Express was pretty influential.

Or this charming Ohio guy

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/politics/racial-slur-by-tea-party-leader-hits-home-647303.html

I think bashing is pointless. The fringe is going to have its day in both the Republican and Democratic parties. And no matter how it makes mainstream Republicans and Democrats uncomfortable, I hope it brings a touch more real populism back.

[crb]

Source please.

You're really on the illiterate roll today aren't you. Scroll up.

[crb]

Bonus.
Tea party urges businesses to stop hiring to hurt Obama (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/tea-party-nation-urges-businesses-stop-hiring-order-hurt-obama).

I wonder if this is a "vast majority"?

Atlas shrugged. But the Tea Party has nothing to do with it. Businesses have already been sitting on their hands scared of all the new regulations, tax uncertainty, and debt Obama has created. This has been going on awhile and is why we have a jobless recovery.

[Rinualdo]

You're really on the illiterate roll today aren't you. Scroll up.

Perhaps I am illiterate. Would you please quote a source showing a vast majority of those participating in worldwide OWS protests are marxists?

[Parkbandit]

This has been going on awhile and is why we have a jobless recovery.

Why would you consider this a "recovery" when most believe we are facing a double dip recession?

[Alfster]

While not necessarily on topic, I'm still surprised that the maximum taxable amount for social security still sits at $106,800.

[Alfster]

Now apparently the canadian marketing firm that started Occupy Wall Street

So many groups trying to claim they started the movement.

[Tgo01]

This (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/craig-kanalley/occupy-wall-street-zuccotti-park_b_1026400.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec3_lnk3|106578)made me chuckle.


This is what I have witnessed at Zuccotti the past few nights. On Thursday, the matter at hand was a proposal from Pulse -- the group of drummers -- for $8,000 for new musical instruments. They say they hoped to secure the funding after a $5,000 handmade drum was sabotaged and destroyed during a rain storm. They say that because they've been there since Day 1, they deserve the funding more than anyone.

"We have worked for you! Appreciate us!" the leader of the proposal shouted angrily to the GA in response to voices of dissent.

"Greed is bad right guys?! amirite?! Can I have 5,000 dollars for a drum?"

[Thickbeard]

Why has this thread reached 57 pages?

[Tolwynn]

They're occupying the PC.

:tumble:

[diethx]

Why has this thread reached 57 pages?

Because you still have your post count per page set to the forum default, therefore you stink.

[Gan]

A group of Iranian demonstrators chant slogans in a gathering to show their support of US Wall Street protestors, as one of them holds Muslims holy book, Quran, at right, in front of the Swiss Embassy in Tehran, which handles US interests in Iran, Saturday, Oct. 22, 2011. (AP photo/Vahid Salemi)

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/10/22/occupy-wall-street-protests-spread-to-iran/


http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/OWS-Iran.jpg

http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/OWS-Burqas.jpg

[Tgo01]

Women can't even protest with men in Iran? Yeah Wall Street greed is what their main concern should be.

[sst]

Women can't even protest with men in Iran? Yeah Wall Street greed is what their main concern should be.

its almost like this was set up by the Iranian government...

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Do the women have to wear that black sheet all the time? I thought they could pick different colors. PS, the one in the middle back of the picture, she's getting stoned later today for wearing tennis shoes.

[Ceyrin]

http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/OWS-Burqas.jpg




Notice their pimp, on the right?

[sst]

Do the women have to wear that black sheet all the time? I thought they could pick different colors. PS, the one in the middle back of the picture, she's getting stoned later today for wearing tennis shoes.

I think Iran only requires the Hijab (head scarf) they are from the more conservative side

[Atlanteax]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/2011/10/26/news/economy/occupy_wall_street_backlash/frank-decker.09.jpg

The latest as seen on CNN...

[~Rocktar~]

I found this video interesting and particularly telling in the undertones of the protests. Apparently there is a growing undercurrent of the jackassery and subversion of the movement as more and more fringe fucknuggets horn in to get their face time slipped in somewhere. It seems people like Adbusters, a Canadian anti-capitalist/anti-semitic group and others are weaseling their way into trying for face time in the protests.

http://youtu.be/Q55OAozWeNo

[Parkbandit]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/2011/10/26/news/economy/occupy_wall_street_backlash/frank-decker.09.jpg

The latest as seen on CNN...

That is awesome... "occupy a job"

[Rinualdo]

http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/funny-facebook-fails-occupywillsmith.jpg

[ClydeR]

Tobin tax

There's a new music video promiting PB's Tobin tax.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOGMJaHHRVs

[Carl Spackler]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/27/occupy-wall-street-protesters-debate-how-to-deal-with-500000-in-donations/?test=latestnews

OWS Gets 500k in donations, what are the hippies going to do with it?

[Atlanteax]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/27/occupy-wall-street-protesters-debate-how-to-deal-with-500000-in-donations/?test=latestnews

OWS Gets 500k in donations, what are the hippies going to do with it?

Vegetarian Diet.

[diethx]

http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/funny-facebook-fails-occupywillsmith.jpg

LOL, hahahaha. That's great.

[Rinualdo]

http://hackedirl.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/epic-win-photos-er-win.jpg

Ken Jennings

[Atlanteax]

Heh @ huge multinational corporation being the culprit of his livelihood.

[Tgo01]

Surprising to no one but the protestors apparently homeless have begun camping (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45113135/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times/) out among Occupy protestors, enjoying the free food, drugs, tents and access to medical care. However most protestors seem to want them to go away.

That 'we are the 99%' sure goes out the window fast when you have to sleep near one of them.


But their presence is posing a mounting quandary for protesters and the authorities, and divisions have arisen among protesters across the country about how much, if at all, to embrace the interlopers.


“There are a lot of them here that have mental problems and that need help. They are in the wrong place,” said Jessica Anderson, 22, who is herself homeless, sitting with friends on a tarp at the Los Angeles site. “They have been creating more problems. There was one guy who showed up last night and he would not shut up: Saying all kinds of crazy stuff all night.”


In Nashville, organizers described the homeless as more of a detriment to the movement than an asset. “This is keeping people away: It distracts a lot of energy away from the issues we’re fighting for when we’re just managing life in the camp,” said Bob Titley 56, one of the participants in Occupy Nashville. “A lot of women felt unsafe camping out at night. It discourages a lot of people from participating.”


At Zuccotti Park in Lower Manhattan, some homeless have integrated themselves into Occupy Wall Street, protesters said. But others, they said, appeared to be opportunists looking for free food and clothes, and were often disruptive. Hero Vincent, 21, said that he was a member of a security team that roamed the park and has several times broken up disputes involving people who appeared to be homeless.

“It’s bad for most of us who came here to build a movement,” he said. “We didn’t come here to start a recovery institution.”


In Chicago, where there has been a steady influx of homeless people, organizers said there were just occasional problems, involving drinking alcohol or provoking violence. “We just ask them to leave,” said Taylor Stekkinger, 18, a member the group’s organizational committee.

[AnticorRifling]

Clearly the homeless are the 1% we should be fighting.

[Atlanteax]

I thought homeless people made for the best protestors?

[AnticorRifling]

I thought homeless people made for the best protestors?

They do. Give them 20 bucks for a day and they'll picket it up. You don't think it's actual union workers marching in a circle outside of a factory do you? Naw that's effort.

[Atlanteax]

Wow my mind is blown. I thought all the OWS were homeless to begin with. It is as if the right-wind media is trying to sow a divide in the protest movement!

[Cephalopod]

Shit just got real.

ULTIMATE WARRIOR: Wall Street Occupiers Are iPad-Toting Hypocrites!
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/10/31/1031-ultimate-warrior-ex-launch-credit.jpg
(http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/01/ultimate-warrior-occupy-wall-street-apple-ipad-video/)



Wrestling legend Ultimate Warrior just called BS on the hordes of hipsters behind Occupy Wall Street -- telling TMZ, they're a bunch of poseurs, fueling the same corporate giant they're trying to take down.

In an ultra-rare appearance in full make-up, Warrior -- real name Brian Hellwig -- tells us, "I find it a little ironic that most of these kids own iPads and iPhones and all these material things. They're a big part of the consumerism that goes on in this country."

Warrior adds, "The biggest statement you can make is not to participate in the consumerism of it all. Don't buy the stuff. Start living your own life. Practice what you preach."

We never thought we'd say this, but the man's got a point.


Is it weird that I saw this and immediately thought of Methais?

[sst]

Colbert's amusing interview of some of the OWS folks... I'm supposed to take these people seriously?

http://gawker.com/5855105/stephen-colbert-trolls-occupy-wall-street

[g++]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/11/occupy-oakland-tense-scene-after-protester-struck-by-car.html

Mercedes 1 Occupy Oakland 0

[Bobmuhthol]

Good for the driver.

[Atlanteax]

Colbert's amusing interview of some of the OWS folks... I'm supposed to take these people seriously?

http://gawker.com/5855105/stephen-colbert-trolls-occupy-wall-street

I saw that... and the OWS did not seem the least bit embarrassed.

[Parkbandit]

At least they are peacefully protesting........................................ ..............

[4a6c1]

The cops over there in Oakland have been pretty stupid so far. Mobbing groups of veterans and injuring people. Disgusting! It's a good thing the mayor has pulled back on the issue seeing her mistake.

And now the Richmond mayor has marched against the violence against protesters.

I still think the police who injured the veterans should apologize publicly.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_19247903

[AnticorRifling]

Great, just wasted time puttering around the LA times from that link and ended up posting on some shoplifting article. I blame you g++

[AnticorRifling]

The cops over there in Oakland have been pretty stupid so far. Mobbing groups of veterans and injuring people. Disgusting! It's a good thing the mayor has pulled back on the issue seeing her mistake.

And now the Richmond mayor has marched against the violence against protesters.

I still think the police who injured the veterans should apologize publicly.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_19247903

Why is them being vets important to this at all?

[Buckwheet]

Why is them being vets important to this at all?

Because they came out of a war zone alive and uninjured and never thought they would be shot in the face by Americans, in America, using a tear gas canister during a peaceful protest.

Duh.

[Parkbandit]

The cops over there in Oakland have been pretty stupid so far. Mobbing groups of veterans and injuring people. Disgusting! It's a good thing the mayor has pulled back on the issue seeing her mistake.

And now the Richmond mayor has marched against the violence against protesters.

I still think the police who injured the veterans should apologize publicly.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_19247903

lulwut?

What about the people who are throwing stones and other objects at the police.. should they just turn the other cheek?

[Parkbandit]

Because they came out of a war zone alive and uninjured and never thought they would be shot in the face by Americans, in America, using a tear gas canister during a peaceful protest.

Duh.

You should put quotes around the word "peaceful".

[AnticorRifling]

lulwut?

What about the people who are throwing stones and other objects at the police.. should they just turn the other cheek?

Anyone that throws something at a protest is obviously an undercover cop planted to cause unrest!!

[4a6c1]

Why is them being vets important to this at all?

It gets mentioned because it's important to most Americans, most employers, actually everyone. Although I've seen that protesting the majority opinion makes you automatically dirty, hippy, lazy, not worthy of basic human respect etc. I would not be surpised if their veteran status becomes irrelevant as well! ;)

[AnticorRifling]

It gets mentioned because it's important to most Americans, most employers, actually everyone. Although I've seen that protesting the majority opinion makes you automatically dirty, hippy, lazy, not worthy of basic human respect etc. I would not be surpised if their veteran status becomes irrelevant as well! ;)

Everyone?! Tsa'ah is going to call you on that.

[Parkbandit]

It gets mentioned because it's important to most Americans, most employers, actually everyone. Although I've seen that protesting the majority opinion makes you automatically dirty, hippy, lazy, not worthy of basic human respect etc. I would not be surpised if their veteran status becomes irrelevant as well! ;)

I thought some of them actually being dirty, hippy, lazy and not demonstrating basic human respect made them that.

[crb]

http://reason.com/blog/2011/11/03/underemployed-puppeteer-joins

Article about an OWS puppeteer. This guy is a case study in bad decision making.



A few years ago, Joe Therrien, a graduate of the NYC Teaching Fellows program, was working as a full-time drama teacher at a public elementary school in New York City. Frustrated by huge class sizes, sparse resources and a disorganized bureaucracy, he set off to the University of Connecticut to get an MFA in his passion—puppetry. Three years and $35,000 in student loans later, he emerged with degree in hand, and because puppeteers aren’t exactly in high demand, he went looking for work at his old school. The intervening years had been brutal to the city’s school budgets—down about 14 percent on average since 2007. A virtual hiring freeze has been in place since 2009 in most subject areas, arts included, and spending on art supplies in elementary schools crashed by 73 percent between 2006 and 2009. So even though Joe’s old principal was excited to have him back, she just couldn’t afford to hire a new full-time teacher. Instead, he’s working at his old school as a full-time “substitute”; he writes his own curriculum, holds regular classes and does everything a normal teacher does. “But sub pay is about 50 percent of a full-time salaried position,” he says, “so I’m working for half as much as I did four years ago, before grad school, and I don’t have health insurance…. It’s the best-paying job I could find.”

Also...



Somewhat related: The pro-puppet American Recovery and Reinvestment Act doled out $50,000 to the Center for Puppetry Arts in Atlanta; $25,000 to the Sandglass Center for Puppetry and Theater Research in Vermont; and $25,000 to the Spiral Q Puppet Theater in Philadelphia.

So... we need to subsidize this puppeteer and forgive his student loans because?

[Tgo01]

Why do you hate puppets crb?

[Parkbandit]

Why do you hate puppets crb?

Why are you making this about Obama now???

[Gan]

A graduate degree in puppeteering?

Seriously?

Aside from the fact that the guy gambled and gave up a full time job to pursue something as stupidly specialized as that and yet expected to find a job paying more upon graduation, how can a college even offer such a degree with a straight face? Who was his instructor? Pee Wee Herman? Textbooks written by Capt. Kangaroo and Mr. Rogers?

Maybe someone should have beat some sense into him when he was younger...

[g++]

Ive seen being John Malkovich enough to know that we should just let that guy do whatever he wants so he doesnt steal our souls.

[g++]

Also average salary of a Manhattan public school teacher is around 70k so even if hes part time for 10 years at 50% (35k a year), hell have payed half his loan down 10(.1)(20000) = 20k. If he were to go full time at that point he would pay the rest(15k) in full in <5.

[crb]

Why are you making this about Obama now???
rofl

[sst]

Because they came out of a war zone alive and uninjured and never thought they would be shot in the face by Americans, in America, using a tear gas canister during a peaceful protest.

Duh.

Having come out of a war zone alive, I know better than to put myself into situations that would involve having tear gas shot in my general direction.

The protests in Oakland were not peaceful.

This guy being a veteran makes him no more special than anyone else.

[sst]

It gets mentioned because it's important to most Americans, most employers, actually everyone.

Now now, that just cause we're a tax credit.

[4a6c1]

Modest looks terrible on you Dave. Take it off.

[sst]

Modest looks terrible on you Dave. Take it off.
Now, now, if people have ever used a word to describe me that word was modest.

[4a6c1]

lolololololol

[4a6c1]

I had a conversation about this at work with a techie Dilbert dude. He literally broke down in tears, called me unAmerican and accused me of hating cops including but not limited to his extended family.

I spent the next 15 minutes trying to talk to the guy to get him to calm down. He was like a river. It was hilarious and also terrifying. I was like WHOA, this is exactly why the protests are necessary.

Basically his point was that the protests are stupid because protesting is stupid. Typical. :jerkit:

[Gan]

I had a conversation about this at work with a techie Dilbert dude. He literally broke down in tears, called me unAmerican and accused me of hating cops including but not limited to his extended family.

I spent the next 15 minutes trying to talk to the guy to get him to calm down. He was like a river. It was hilarious and also terrifying. I was like WHOA, this is exactly why the protests are necessary.

Basically his point was that the protests are stupid because protesting is stupid. Typical. :jerkit:

The fact that he cried automatically disqualifies any opinion he might have had.

You should have confiscated his man-card and kicked the little bitch to the curb.

[Atlanteax]

I kinda wonder if Rojo was yelling at him like she does with the BBB or any other organization that she badgers into compliance.

[Parkbandit]

I had a conversation about this at work with a techie Dilbert dude. He literally broke down in tears, called me unAmerican and accused me of hating cops including but not limited to his extended family.

I spent the next 15 minutes trying to talk to the guy to get him to calm down. He was like a river. It was hilarious and also terrifying. I was like WHOA, this is exactly why the protests are necessary.

Basically his point was that the protests are stupid because protesting is stupid. Typical. :jerkit:

Wait, the protests are necessary because some "guy" was crying? Will the protests give him his manhood back?

[Tgo01]

Basically his point was that the protests are stupid because protesting is stupid. Typical. :jerkit:

I don't think protests are stupid. I think occupying a piece of land you do not own for months and calling it a 'protest' is stupid.

[Parkbandit]

I don't think protests are stupid. I think occupying a piece of land you do not own for months and calling it a 'protest' is stupid.

But that's why these protests are necessary!!!

[Gan]

I kinda wonder if Rojo was yelling at him like she does with the BBB or any other organization that she badgers into compliance.

I can just see her going all DI on his ass.

http://trialx.com/curetalk/wp-content/blogs.dir/7/files/2011/04/gcelebrities/R__Lee_Ermey-1.jpg

[4a6c1]

Hah! You guys are bad. If you have to yell to get your point across, you're doing it wrong!

[Some Rogue]

That's why you use a belt...

[4a6c1]

It was weird. He was totally normal and fully communicative and then BOOM tears. It was so odd and my respect for the guy (uhh...up until this point)was so solid that my first reaction was "omg are you okay, did somebody you know get trampled at a protest (wtf face)?!"

I'm using it as my Repub metaphor because it's about the 3rd time I've tried to have a discussion about the issue with people I care about and they turn into over-emotional blubbering fools.

First reaction: insult protesters. Second reaction: find facts to backup original insulting of protesters. Bleh!

[4a6c1]

That's why you use a belt...

Poor Lia...

[Some Rogue]

She asked for it!

[4a6c1]

TMI

[sst]

Hah! You guys are bad. If you have to yell to get your point across, you're doing it wrong!

I disagree I've found the person talking the loudest is often the most correct.

[Liagala]

She asked for it!
Thank you sir, may I have anothe... er, wait. Wrong forum.

[Some Rogue]

Back in your pit!
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/silence.jpg

[Kembal]

A graduate degree in puppeteering?

Seriously?

Aside from the fact that the guy gambled and gave up a full time job to pursue something as stupidly specialized as that and yet expected to find a job paying more upon graduation, how can a college even offer such a degree with a straight face? Who was his instructor? Pee Wee Herman? Textbooks written by Capt. Kangaroo and Mr. Rogers?

Maybe someone should have beat some sense into him when he was younger...

This. Why the hell are there graduate degrees where you can specialize in puppeteering? A Master of Fine Arts isn't a bad degree, say if you pick up film-making, theater, or something along those lines....but puppeteering?

I generally understand some of the frustrations of the OWS protesters, but this guy doesn't deserve to be there. His problems are of his own making.

[Some Rogue]

Sweet, this guy tripled the last guy's score!


Police: 3 struck by car at Occupy DC protest (http://news.yahoo.com/police-3-struck-car-occupy-dc-protest-063618248.html)

[Methais]

A graduate degree in puppeteering?

Seriously?

Aside from the fact that the guy gambled and gave up a full time job to pursue something as stupidly specialized as that and yet expected to find a job paying more upon graduation, how can a college even offer such a degree with a straight face? Who was his instructor? Pee Wee Herman? Textbooks written by Capt. Kangaroo and Mr. Rogers?

Maybe someone should have beat some sense into him when he was younger...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBaJP44bMlc

Starting at 5:10.

[Methais]

Sweet, this guy tripled the last guy's score!


Police: 3 struck by car at Occupy DC protest (http://news.yahoo.com/police-3-struck-car-occupy-dc-protest-063618248.html)

http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/mexican_bike_race_car_crash_dog.jpg

(The dog was Photoshopped in, so it's ok.)

[Tgo01]

This (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/04/occupy-chicago-mcdonalds-applications_n_1077133.html) is awesome.


On top of cold weather and logistical pains, "Occupy" protesters in Chicago last week dealt with an embarrassing stunt.

Dozens of photocopied McDonald's job applications were reportedly thrown from the Chicago Board of Trade building and onto Occupy Chicago protestors earlier this week, according to Chicagoist (h/t Mediaite).

In April, McDonald's announced plans to hire 50,000 new employees in a single day. The fast food giant was subsequently flooded with more than one million applications, a McDonald's spokeswoman told HuffPost in April. As of October, there are officially 13.9 million unemployed people in America today

The Chicago protesters quickly spread the news via Twitter:

Indeed, the incident isn't the first conflict near the Chicago Board of Trade building since the beginning of the protests. Last month, the same floor's windows had signs reading "WE ARE THE 1%" taped to them, a prelude to photocopies thrown from the same windows reading "WE ARE THE 1% PAYING FOR THIS," Chicagoist reports.

The episode was spoofed on Real Time With Bill Maher, who speculated further such signs might read "Save Our Trumps" and "You Can't Go Home Again -- No, Seriously, You Can't, I Just Foreclosed It."

Although Occupy Wall Street quickly gained national recognition, the movement has yet to receive mass approval. A recent poll revealed around 37 percent of Americans support Occupy Wall Street, and another poll found 35 percent of the nation's millionaires support the movement.

Antagonistic behavior, though, has been most severe within the financial industry itself.

Last month, CNBC reported that Goldman Sachs has forbidden employees from going anywhere near Zuccotti Park. Soon after, the investment bank withdrew from a fundraiser hosted by the Lower East Side People's Federal Credit Union because Occupy Wall Street was included on the list of honorees, the Wall Street Journal reports.

And what many Wall Street firms say about the protesters in public and behind closed doors might vary quite a bit too. The New York Times reports that while investment bankers may publicly express sympathy for the protesters, it's quite a different story behind closed doors.

"Most people view it as a ragtag group looking for sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll," one top hedge fund manager anonymously told the New York Times.

Despite criticism, the Occupy protesters can still make fun of the ongoing tension, as seen in Occupy Occupy Wall Street, a satirical site devoted to protesting the original movement:

[diethx]

Back in your pit!
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/silence.jpg

Related, yet still off-topic:

http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2011/11/4/3f959611-d999-4144-98c9-37d305372840_thumb.jpeg

[Gan]

SAN DIEGO (CBS) — A pair of Southland street cart vendors who were forced to shut down their businesses after “Occupy” protesters vandalized their carts are hoping to get some help from local residents.


KNX 1070′s Tom Reopelle reports a fundraiser in the Gas Lamp district in San Diego on Monday night is aimed at helping two vendors get back on their feet.



The coffee and hot dog carts were located in Civic Center Plaza, the same location as the Occupy San Diego protesters.

That group first settled in to the plaza Oct. 7 and set up a tent city which has since twice been taken down by police.

Coffee cart owner Linda Jenson and hot dog cart operators Letty and Pete Soto said they initially provided free food and drink to demonstrators, but when they stopped, the protesters became violent.

And according to one city councilman, bodily fluids were used in the attacks.

“Both carts have had items stolen, have had their covers vandalized with markings and graffiti, as well as one of the carts had urine and blood splattered on it,” said Councilman Carl DeMaio.

The damages will likely require at least a complete cleaning if not a replacement of the cart covers, DeMaio said.

In addition to the attacks, the vendors also said they recently received death threats.

Proceeds from the fundraiser will go directly to help the two business owners.

After a relatively peaceful start, the “Occupy” movement has sparked violent clashes with police in Oakland and recently saw protesters push an elderly woman down a flight of stairs in D.C.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/11/07/socal-street-cart-vendors-hurting-after-occupy-group-splatters-blood-urine/

______________________________________________

Stay classy.

[AnticorRifling]

Clearly owners of food carts are the 1%.

[Warriorbird]

Clearly owners of food carts are the 1%.

Methais is!

[Atlanteax]

Heh, I was just about to ask myself if Methais had his cart vandalized.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Wait, the protests are necessary because some "guy" was crying?

I cried when Old Yeller died. I bet that guy cries when he watches Beaches.

[Parkbandit]

Good riddance!

The NYPD arrested 70 protesters as they moved in on Zuccotti Park early this morning and began clearing out the thousands of Occupy Wall Street protesters who had taken over the space for nearly two months.

More than 1,000 cops marched on the lower Manhattan encampment shortly before 1 a.m. and handed out fliers ordering demonstrators to get out and remove their personal property.

The cops were followed by Sanitation workers, one of whom was overheard saying, “We’re gonna disinfect the hell out of this place.”

The fliers read, “The city has determined that the continued occupation of Zuccotti Park poses an increasing health and fire safety hazard to those camped in the park, the city’s first responders, and to the surrounding community.

“You are required to immediately remove all property, including tents, sleeping bags and tarps.”

That touched off a chaotic scene within the park, as many of the protesters were roused from their slumber and began shouting to others, “Wake up!”
The chaos was continuing this morning, as cops and protesters battled on Pine Street and Broadway at 5 a.m., with police pushing crowds out of the street and on to the sidewalk. Cops charged into the mob after a protester threw an object into a group of police.

At least one police officer was injured; he was seen being taken out of Zuccotti Park on a stretcher, his eyes closed and with several lacerations on his face.

Cops cut U-shaped bike locks off the necks of the last holdouts, who chained themselves together in the center of Zuccotti, witnesses said.

A roving group of several hundred ousted protesters marched north up Centre Street after the cleanup, clashing with police who in at least one case were seen using batons on a group crossing the street in a crosswalk and with a green light. A large crowd of protesters went north and are at Foley Square.
Police arrested at least 70 people in the early morning chaos, physically dragging many from the squalid encampment.

“What do you mean I’m done? What law did I break?” screamed a man as he was arrested and marched out of the park.

“I’m an anarchist, I’m not leaving this park,” said Asa Lowe, who was binding the hands of Amina Malika, 17, and Mesiah Hameed, 16, to a tree in the center of the park.

“I don’t give a f--k what they do,” said Hameed.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/nypd_raiders_roust_rabble_Dp5jSkaFLwGXYElqsxsWjO#i xzz1dmQ4L0cw

Two months overdue.

[AnticorRifling]

Binding the hands of some minors....Clearly this is a Penn State inspired protest. (too soon?)

[sst]

Never too soon.

[WRoss]

Good riddance!

The NYPD arrested 70 protesters as they moved in on Zuccotti Park early this morning and began clearing out the thousands of Occupy Wall Street protesters who had taken over the space for nearly two months.

More than 1,000 cops marched on the lower Manhattan encampment shortly before 1 a.m. and handed out fliers ordering demonstrators to get out and remove their personal property.

The cops were followed by Sanitation workers, one of whom was overheard saying, “We’re gonna disinfect the hell out of this place.”

The fliers read, “The city has determined that the continued occupation of Zuccotti Park poses an increasing health and fire safety hazard to those camped in the park, the city’s first responders, and to the surrounding community.

“You are required to immediately remove all property, including tents, sleeping bags and tarps.”

That touched off a chaotic scene within the park, as many of the protesters were roused from their slumber and began shouting to others, “Wake up!”
The chaos was continuing this morning, as cops and protesters battled on Pine Street and Broadway at 5 a.m., with police pushing crowds out of the street and on to the sidewalk. Cops charged into the mob after a protester threw an object into a group of police.

At least one police officer was injured; he was seen being taken out of Zuccotti Park on a stretcher, his eyes closed and with several lacerations on his face.

Cops cut U-shaped bike locks off the necks of the last holdouts, who chained themselves together in the center of Zuccotti, witnesses said.

A roving group of several hundred ousted protesters marched north up Centre Street after the cleanup, clashing with police who in at least one case were seen using batons on a group crossing the street in a crosswalk and with a green light. A large crowd of protesters went north and are at Foley Square.
Police arrested at least 70 people in the early morning chaos, physically dragging many from the squalid encampment.

“What do you mean I’m done? What law did I break?” screamed a man as he was arrested and marched out of the park.

“I’m an anarchist, I’m not leaving this park,” said Asa Lowe, who was binding the hands of Amina Malika, 17, and Mesiah Hameed, 16, to a tree in the center of the park.

“I don’t give a f--k what they do,” said Hameed.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/nypd_raiders_roust_rabble_Dp5jSkaFLwGXYElqsxsWjO#i xzz1dmQ4L0cw

Two months overdue.

Do you really think this is going to end it? I think it'll just fuel the fire more.

[sst]

Do you really think this is going to end it? I think it'll just fuel the fire more.

Naw but all the rapes and shootings might help!

[Deathravin]

BREAKING NEWS – Judge Orders Protesters Be Allowed Back in Park With Their Belongings
By admin,
For Immediate Release: November 15, 2011

Contact:

Yetta Kurland – 917-701-9590
Daniel Alterman – 917-945-2599
Gideon Oliver – 646-263-3495
Margaret Kunstler – 917-331-8012

New York, NY: At around 6 AM on November 15, 2011, attorneys associated with the New York City Chapter of the National Lawyers Guild working as the Liberty Park Legal Working Group obtained a temporary restraining order against the City of New York, various City agencies, and Brookfield properties directing that occupiers be allowed back on the premises with their belongings.

Earlier, at approximately 1 AM, the NYPD began massing around Zuccotti Park “aka Liberty Park.” In the following hours reports surfaced that the NYPD entered the park with police in riot gear backed up by numerous police vehicles, including a bulldozer, evicting occupiers. In the process they destroyed property and arrested dozens of occupiers and protestors including NYC Councilmember Ydanis Rodriguez and District Leader Paul Newell.

In the coming hours, days and weeks the LPLWG will pursue all legal options to enable the occupiers to continue to exercise their first amendment rights to speech and assembly for speech. Attorney Yetta Kurland, one of the attorneys from the LPLWG, said, “This is a victory for everyone who believes in the First Amendment. We will continue to fight for everyone’s right to continue the occupation.” In response to the injunction, Daniel Alterman, also an attorney with the LPLWG, stated that, “This is a victory for all Americans, for the constitution and for the 99%.” Gideon Oliver, another attorney with the LPLWG reacted by saying, “The LPLWG has been fighting to ensure their right to free speech from day one of the occupation. The occupiers right to free speech is based in our most core legal principles and we will be here till the end to fight for those rights.”

The order is available for download here.

The Liberty Park Legal Working Group is a group of volunteer attorneys and legal workers dedicated to defending the rights of those engaged in constitutionally-protected assembly or protest.

http://nlgnyc.org/2011/11/15/press_rel_libert/

[Atlanteax]

Temporary restraining order ... will not hold up.

[Tgo01]

So a judge can actually tell a private land owner that they have to allow people to enter their land with tents and stay there indefinitely?

[Gan]

The city did not say they could not assemble. It said they could not bring all their campout shit back with them for health and safety reasons.

Assemble during the day.

Go home at night.

Assemble during the day.

Go home at night.

rinse, repeat...

Assemble does not mean move in and set up lodging and take shits in the alleyways.

[AnticorRifling]

SHOWS WHAT YOU KNOW!

[Parkbandit]

http://tv.breitbart.com/caught-on-video-occupy-protester-defecates-in-public-street/

Stay classy, hippies!

[Deathravin]

When you won't allow a licence to provide porta-potties, that's what you get.

Minneapolis protesters aren't shitting in the streets, they have a bank of fairly well maintained porta-potties.

[Tgo01]

When you won't allow a licence to provide porta-potties, that's what you get.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not but it's funny either way.

[Deathravin]

People have attempted to put porta-potties down at OWS-NY since the start, but the city won't allow them to be placed on site.

[Tgo01]

People have attempted to put porta-potties down at OWS since the start, but the city won't allow them to be placed on site.

So that makes it okay for people to shit in the street?

[Deathravin]

Where else are they going to shit? The small businesses who have allowed thousands of protesters to use their few bathrooms and thus have lines? Or... ... where else...

Besides, you can see somebody shitting in the street in NYC often enough without a protest going on.

[Liagala]

So that makes it okay for people to shit in the street?
Well duh. The government and/or the 1% haven't given them proper restroom facilities yet. How can you expect them to do anything when they haven't been handed what they need?

[Parkbandit]

Where else are they going to shit? The small businesses who have allowed thousands of protesters to use their few bathrooms and thus have lines? Or... ... where else...

Besides, you can see somebody shitting in the street in NYC often enough without a protest going on.

You did hear on the video that one guy was pointing out that he could see a portal potty.. right?

Maybe he was lying?

I've never, ever, had to take a shit on the street in my life. ZOMG I MUST BE THE 1%!!!!

[Parkbandit]

Well duh. The government and/or the 1% haven't given them proper restroom facilities yet. How can you expect them to do anything when they haven't been handed what they need?

The portal potty right there probably didn't have his brand of toilet paper.. or someone to wipe his ass for him. THIS WILL SHOW THEM!!!

[diethx]

While I agree with some (some, not all) of the things that the protesters are saying, that's pretty much unacceptable. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you're shitting in the street?

[Methais]

Where else are they going to shit? The small businesses who have allowed thousands of protesters to use their few bathrooms and thus have lines? Or... ... where else...

Go home?

[Methais]

portal potty

http://www.jinx.com/content/prod/2306p_0c_3b.jpg

[Methais]

Why can't this guy get a job?
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/307281_10150372521497535_510457534_8320887_1034596 138_n.jpg

[Parkbandit]

Why can't this guy get a job?
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/307281_10150372521497535_510457534_8320887_1034596 138_n.jpg

Because the Jews are keeping him and the other 99% down?

[Tgo01]

I thought he had a job as a waiter. Y'know walk up to a table and say "Let me know when you're ready to order. Oh and feel free to pull your silverware out of my nose."

[Methais]

Because the Jews are keeping him and the other 99% down?

http://www.nanohealthtechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/NanoHealthTechnology.com-will-Generate-Your-Residual-Income-Globally3.jpg

[Deathravin]

Well duh. The government and/or the 1% haven't given them proper restroom facilities yet. How can you expect them to do anything when they haven't been handed what they need?

They have been willing and able to provide their own porta potties. NYC has been unwilling to provide them with the proper clearance to place and maintain them.

[Methais]

They have been willing and able to provide their own porta potties. NYC has been unwilling to provide them with the proper clearance to place and maintain them.

I guess they'd better walk home to mom's to take a dump then, no?

I'm sorry, but there's no way for you to spin this outside of a 3rd world country context to justify someone taking a dump in the middle of the street. And since 3rd world countries don't have streets, you still can't justify it.

I encourage you to keep trying though.
http://internationalyard.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/never-give-up1.jpg

[Tgo01]

They have been willing and able to provide their own porta potties. NYC has been unwilling to provide them with the proper clearance to place and maintain them.

Surely they could set up a tent to be the 'restroom' tent that has a 5 gallon bucket in it. Put a garbage bag in the bucket, take a shit and dispose of the bag somewhere.

Disgusting? Yes. More disgusting then pulling down your pants and taking a shit on the side of the road? No.

Don't they also have those toilets that are portable? Portable in the sense that a person can pick it up by themselves and move it? A chemical toilet I think they're called?

[Deathravin]

I guess they'd better walk home to mom's to take a dump then, no?

I'm sorry, but there's no way for you to spin this outside of a 3rd world country context to justify someone taking a dump in the middle of the street. And since 3rd world countries don't have streets, you still can't justify it.

I encourage you to keep trying though.


I wasn't trying to come off as pro-shitting-in-the-street... I was simply suggesting the government treat these people like people and allow them to conduct their protest by allowing small concessions like the ability to place sanitation facilities on site.

As for this particular protester... anywhere that's offering a safe place to sleep at night is going to attract homeless people who have a disproportionally high incidence of mental illness and violent tendencies. That being the case, and with the fairly large sample size of protesters, it's not difficult to cherry pick the disturbed individuals who are there for free meals and nighttime protection, and not necessarily there to protest.

I don't mean to pull a no-true-scottsman over here, but just as not all Tea Partiers were racists holding Obama witch doctor signs, not all on OWS are mentally unstable homeless people with a habit of street shitting.

[Parkbandit]

Surely they could set up a tent to be the 'restroom' tent that has a 5 gallon bucket in it. Put a garbage bag in the bucket, take a shit and dispose of the bag somewhere.

Disgusting? Yes. More disgusting then pulling down your pants and taking a shit on the side of the road? No.

Don't they also have those toilets that are portable? Portable in the sense that a person can pick it up by themselves and move it? A chemical toilet I think they're called?

Only the 1% (like their parents) have such luxuries like chemical toilets.

http://www.greatescapecamping.com.au/images/165.jpg

[Parkbandit]

I wasn't trying to come off as pro-shitting-in-the-street... I was simply suggesting the government treat these people like people and allow them to conduct their protest by allowing small concessions like the ability to place sanitation facilities on site.

As for this particular protester... anywhere that's offering a safe place to sleep at night is going to attract homeless people who have a disproportionally high incidence of mental illness and violent tendencies. That being the case, and with the fairly large sample size of protesters, it's not difficult to cherry pick the disturbed individuals who are there for free meals and nighttime protection, and not necessarily there to protest.

I don't mean to pull a no-true-scottsman over here, but just as not all Tea Partiers were racists holding Obama witch doctor signs, not all on OWS are mentally unstable homeless people with a habit of street shitting.

No, you come across as these hippie protesters do no wrong and any wrong that is done isn't their fault. It's pretty funny though.

How many tea party arrests were there last summer? I looked around and couldn't find one associated with the actual demonstrations. How many rapes? Drug arrests? Murders? Suicides?

Yea... if that is the 99%, I'm glad I'm not one of them.

[Liagala]

I don't mean to pull a no-true-scottsman over here, but just as not all Tea Partiers were racists holding Obama witch doctor signs, not all on OWS are mentally unstable homeless people with a habit of street shitting.
No, there's a broad assortment of peace-and-love pacifist hippies (not to be confused with TheE, who at least has intelligence to balance his pacifist ideas), potheads out for a laugh who neither know nor care what's really going on, recent college grads who hit reality for the first time and don't know what to do without Mommy and Daddy paying for stuff, angry people who are going to protest no matter what, greedy people, lazy people, willfully blind people who refuse to understand the meaning of the saying about giving a man a fish vs teaching him to fish, and sheep who jump on the latest flavor-of-the-month bandwagon.

It's a shame really. The intelligent, coherent, decent people with actual good ideas in the OWS crowd get buried by the rest until even their supporters just want them to shut up and go home. Had they chosen a more effective venue, the people who started this movement could have made some much-needed changes.

[Deathravin]

It's a shame really. The intelligent, coherent, decent people with actual good ideas in the OWS crowd have to go to work and be productive. They can't afford to be sitting around a drum circle all day.

ftfy a bit.


No, you come across as these hippie protesters do no wrong and any wrong that is done isn't their fault. It's pretty funny though.

How many tea party arrests were there last summer? I looked around and couldn't find one associated with the actual demonstrations. How many rapes? Drug arrests? Murders? Suicides?

Yea... if that is the 99%, I'm glad I'm not one of them.

The top 1% in america is anybody making 380k a year. But to be fair, for the most part the 99% movement is far more about the .01%, the ~30,000 Americans who have enough money to really influence politics and policy. The people who write the laws (who turns out to very rarely be the political officials whose names are attached to them) and the companies who have the luxury of capitalized gains and socialized losses. It's just 99% sounds a lot better than 99.99%.

The tea party was far fewer in number, and their protests lasted for hours as opposed to months; they were not over night and thus didn't have the homeless element to contend with.

[Parkbandit]

The tea party was far fewer in number, and their protests lasted for hours as opposed to months; they were not over night and thus didn't have the homeless element to contend with.

Do you have any numbers? I don't believe that to be the case... but let's just assume you are right... do the number of arrests/rapes/murders/etc... scale with the number of protesters?

Were there even any arrests at a Tea Party event? I seriously can't remember any.

[4a6c1]

The age group of the Tea Party was definately different than OWS. :-X

[Liagala]

The age group of the Tea Party was definitely different than OWS. :-X
^^ It's tough to run amok when you have to lean on your walker.

[Methais]

I wasn't trying to come off as pro-shitting-in-the-street... I was simply suggesting the government treat these people like people and allow them to conduct their protest by allowing small concessions like the ability to place sanitation facilities on site.

So basically you're saying it's not their fault that they're shitting in the streets?

/facepalm

[sst]

The age group of the Tea Party was definately different than OWS. :-X

Maturity level too

[WRoss]

Maturity level too

I spent three hours discussing the differences between the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street today for my Political Parties and Interest Groups class. I'd come here to talk about it, but I feel like I'd be beating a dead horse.

[4a6c1]

^^ It's tough to run amok when you have to lean on your walker.

HEE HEE HEE teeheehehehhhheeeeeeeeeeeeehee.

[Atlanteax]

I spent three hours discussing the differences between the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street today for my Political Parties and Interest Groups class. I'd come here to talk about it, but I feel like I'd be beating a dead horse.

Why?

Or is the general public impression that:

1) the Tea Party is about reduced taxation, less government spending, smaller government in general (less "big brother" syndrome)...

2) and the OWS is is the 2010s version of the 1960s hippie movement with a general disregard for the philosophy of personal responsibility...

Just so ingrained on these forums as well?

[Deathravin]

Russell Simmons is currently in Boston taking part in the Occupy Boston movement.

After this morning's raid on Zuccotti Park, the birthplace of the Occupy movement, wherein over 100 protesters were arrested, Russell has decided to call an emergency press conference.

During this afternoon's press conference, Russell is presenting a Constitutional amendment written for a true democracy by a leading Senior Congressman, which bars all but public financing for Federal candidates running for public office.

The amendment goes as follows:

Section 1. All elections for President and members of the United States House of Representatives and the United States Senate shall be publicly financed. No political contributions shall be permitted to any federal candidate, from any other source, including the candidate. No political expenditures shall be permitted in support of any federal candidate, or in opposition to any federal candidate, from any other source, including the candidate. Nothing in this Section shall be construed to abridge the freedom of the press.

Section 2. The Congress shall, by statute, provide limitations on the amounts and timing of the expenditures of such public funds and provide criminal penalties for any violation of this section.

Section 3. The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Section 4. This article shall be inoperative unless it is ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several States, as provided in the Constitution.

This is the time when the system fights back against your right to peacefully assemble around the cause of transparent democracy, to make your voices heard.

Re-Occupy and pass this amendment.

Here is the video of Russell's speech today in Boston:


http://globalgrind.com/news/russell-simmons-announcement-occupy-wall-street-amendment-details-photos

[Parkbandit]

Wasn't it Russell Simmons that made a bunch of shirts about Occupy Wallstreet and then wouldn't share the profits with the actual occupiers? Maybe it was Beyonce's husband.. either way, it was funny. "I HATE CAPITALISM BECAUSE IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE 99%!!... but you ain't getting a slice of my pie bitch!"

[Deathravin]

It would be a great first step...

Next step would be to outline the process for voting using the Schultz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method) (ranked choice) method.

Also, If all the code used was open source, all the hardware was open source, and all the voting data was public (yet maintaining anonymity (http://www.ted.com/talks/david_bismark_e_voting_without_fraud.html)) with the ability for you to check your own votes, then you're democracy is working with fire.

Fix gerrymandering by the shortest splitline method.

Next embrace the party system.

The money provided by the previous amendment would be based on what you're running for, and what step of the process you're on. People get X dollars to run until the 'quarter finals', debates are run, candidates are vetted and interviewed then a national vote is taken, on the same day, some months before the final election (but very early on. around a year before for presidential races) where 4 members from each party is chosen to continue on - via the Schulze voting method.

Those 4 per party are given Y dollars to continue to the Primaries. The primaries occur, again on the same day around the nation, using the Schulze method, and you narrow your field down to 2 per party, but no more than 10 total.

Those 10 are given Z dollars to continue to the final election. The final election is electronic, open source, online or physical voting, schulze method, a mandatory national holiday. And you get your President or Senator or Representative.

You're secure in the fact that the people have spoken and the best person running has been given the election. The spoiler effect is a thing of the past, voter turnout is an all time high, and everybody's vote is counted the same (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k).

[crb]

http://globalgrind.com/news/russell-simmons-announcement-occupy-wall-street-amendment-details-photos
He is smart enough to frame it as a constitutional amendment, because it wouldn't fly as mere legislation, seeing as how it limits part of the first amendment.

So the government publicly funds all candidates and makes it illegal for a private candidate to run for office without the government's blessing.

How does the government then decide who is allowed to run for office? You can't run a campaign without money, so it isn't as if the government can wait for the primary to end, or something. What you file a paper and the government sends you a check? All checks in equal size? How many people will run for office? How much will that cost? Is there a stage in the world big enough to host the debate?

Or the government has to select candidates? Like the ruling party puts forward a candidate that everyone has to then "vote" for as the only choice, sounds like a big bite of freedom to me. Relish that sweet sweet chinese style freedom.

Seriously, this is the problem with most liberal ideas, they might have good intentions, but in truth they suck. Think things through a little more. You'd either have a situation where everyone can easily run for president, making elections impossible. Or you have a situation where government interests can pick the candidates, which makes the system highly corrupt and at risk of seriously eroding democracy and freedom.

Of course, I'm sure all those in favor of this were McCain supporters in 08 because he and Barack had an agreement to take public funds and Barack backed out.

[sst]

Wasn't it Russell Simmons that made a bunch of shirts about Occupy Wallstreet and then wouldn't share the profits with the actual occupiers? Maybe it was Beyonce's husband.. either way, it was funny. "I HATE CAPITALISM BECAUSE IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE 99%!!... but you ain't getting a slice of my pie bitch!"

Jay Z.

[Deathravin]

I don't see how you have to have government blessing. Read to me more that there was a fund that congress could come up with how much money each class of candidate receives.

For example; Presidential candidate gets 2 million between 18 months and 12 months before the election, carefully audited. 4 million between 12 and 6 months before, and 4 more between 6 months up to the election. Etc.

Where in the proposed amendment does it say they can discriminate per candidate?

[WRoss]

Why?

Or is the general public impression that:

1) the Tea Party is about reduced taxation, less government spending, smaller government in general (less "big brother" syndrome)...

2) and the OWS is is the 2010s version of the 1960s hippie movement with a general disregard for the philosophy of personal responsibility...

Just so ingrained on these forums as well?

More like the Tea Party wants small government control in our lives and OWS wants smaller corporate control in our gonverment, but neither would ever compromise and realize that they actually agree a lot more than they think. Corporations sponsor politicians, who then pass policies to benefit the corporations, who then pay more money to politicians, who then pass more policies to benefit the corporations. This has been going on for a long time, but legally began with the 1976 Campaign Finance Reforms. It was expounded again in 2003 with McCain-Feingold, again in 2006, but I forget the name, and most recently in 2010 with Citizen's United v FEC.

I don't think the verdict is out that the OWS is a super left, but it can be said that the Tea Party is the Super Right. They reigned in the Republicans to act more like the traditional Republican and less moderate. I think that Occupy is doomed to fail, because they stand in opposition to a system in which they have to participate in to accomplish anything. They are in agreement that money buys elections and statistics support this. Without going out and raising money for candidates that they run themselves, their only hope is to persuade half of congress to pass bills that change the current system, which will never happen.

[Deathravin]

Even worse, since money is speech, it requires an amendment so you need drastically more support.

Once I've explained the actual issues OWS has with government and corporations to somebody, and reversed all the BS they've been 'told' that it's about by conservative talk show hosts, they have always seen that an amendment to require all a federal candidates money to come from a public fund would help tare down corporate control over the government, regardless of their political leanings.

Some aren't quite on board with my complete overhaul of the voting system, even though it forces a two party system, but such is life.

[Tsa`ah]

http://globalgrind.com/news/russell-simmons-announcement-occupy-wall-street-amendment-details-photos

I honestly don't like the idea of public finance. It would be far more effective and simplistic to restrict campaign contributions to only those people that can vote for you. After that we could have a realistic conversation about public finance.

[Warriorbird]

Notably, the Jay Z shirts aren't necessarily pro Occupy Wall Street. They have "Occupy Wall Street" scratched out and replaced with "Occupy All Streets."

[Tgo01]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150896/Support-Occupy-Unchanged-Criticize-Approach.aspx

Interesting poll here.

24% support the movement, 19% oppose.

25% approve of the goals of the movement, 16% disapprove.

20% approve of the way the protests are being conducted, 31% disapprove.

20% are following news of the movement 'very closely', 19% aren't following news at all.

Basically most people don't give a fuck one way or the other. Sounds about right.

[Jonty]

Not a video, but still...

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/317492_10150463777636388_662231387_10233605_199880 2495_n.jpg

[4a6c1]

lol

[Deathravin]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/203/447/tumblr_luzwlylIAH1qafo3wo1_500.png (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S880UldxB1o&feature=share)

[Parkbandit]

Notably, the Jay Z shirts aren't necessarily pro Occupy Wall Street. They have "Occupy Wall Street" scratched out and replaced with "Occupy All Streets."

Do you need me to explain it to you? It's obviously pro-OWS.

[Asha]

I can't even be in a thread where deathravin has posted. I don't want to risk seeing SPIDER MASS!

[Deathravin]

Eh, was about time for a change anyway.

[Jonty]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/203/447/tumblr_luzwlylIAH1qafo3wo1_500.png (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S880UldxB1o&feature=share)

:rofl:

[Deathravin]

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pepper-spray-cop-casually-pepper-spray-everything-cop/photos

Guy gets around.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/203/407/peppersprayeverything.jpg

[4a6c1]

Ahahahaha

[Atlanteax]

He ought to enjoy his 15 minutes.

[Back]

A brilliant illustration of suppression of thought.

Kudos to the Paint author.

[Atlanteax]

A brilliant illustration of suppression of thought.

Kudos to the Paint author.

"Suppression of Thought" ? Are you *serious* ?

/face-palm

[Deathravin]

He ought to enjoy his 15 minutes.

He should enjoy it while he still has a job. They're plastering his name, badge number and all personal information (including phone number both work and personal, addresses both work and person, etc) they can find about him everywhere they can.

[Tgo01]

He should enjoy it while he still has a job. They're plastering his name, badge number and all personal information (including phone number both work and personal, addresses both work and person, etc) they can find about him everywhere they can.

Way to show the world you are peaceful protesters!

[Deathravin]

Police have strength of (excessive) force
Protesters have strength of numbers and information

We all use the weapons we have to enact change.

[Tgo01]

Police have strength of (excessive) force
Protesters have strength of numbers and information

We all use the weapons we have to enact change.

You see nothing wrong with posting the guys personal address, phone numbers and any other personal information they can find? You view this as a form of 'peaceful' protesting?

[Deathravin]

You see nothing wrong with pepper spraying peaceful protesters on the campus of a school the attend? You view this as non-excessive force?

Oh that's right, you said nothing about pepper spray. And I said nothing about 'peaceful' protesting meaning posting of personal information. I didn't judge their actions at all.

[Tgo01]

You see nothing wrong with pepper spraying peaceful protesters on the campus of a school the attend? You view this as non-excessive force?

Oh that's right, you said nothing about pepper spray. And I said nothing about 'peaceful' protesting meaning posting of personal information. I didn't judge their actions at all.

You said 'We all use the weapons we have to enact change' as if what they're doing is normal. I can admit maybe I read too much in what you meant.

[Parkbandit]

You see nothing wrong with posting the guys personal address, phone numbers and any other personal information they can find? You view this as a form of 'peaceful' protesting?

It makes it a little difficult to believe people like Deathravin, when they bemoan for peace and harmony and human rights.. yet stoop to shit like this and support it.

Their moral compasses spin like tops... depending on how it benefits them.

http://www.gifs.net/Animation11/Geography_and_History/Compasses/3D_compass.gif

[Deathravin]

Ya, and yours is rock fucking steady. I bow to your superior morality.

[~Rocktar~]

He should enjoy it while he still has a job. They're plastering his name, badge number and all personal information (including phone number both work and personal, addresses both work and person, etc) they can find about him everywhere they can.

And if/when he gets killed or his family gets hurt or killed, that will be just fine with you, right? There is this little thing called "justice" that you and others like to harp about and yet you have tried and convicted this person in the court of public opinion and have basically given your tacit approval for his execution if the mob decides it is warranted. No trial by jury, no facing your accuser, no burden of proof, nothing. Weren't you and others up in arms about shooting known and acknowledged terrorists with missiles because they had not been formally tried and convicted?

[Deathravin]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

I had a whole thing typed out and a damn PM lost it... Basically, I guess there must have been more connotation in it than I was trying for; You're reading too much into it.

http://i.imgur.com/QldJ5.gif

[~Rocktar~]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

I had a whole thing typed out and a damn PM lost it... Basically, I guess there must have been more connotation in it than I was trying for; You're reading too much into it.

No, I am not. You simply aren't thinking about the repercussions of your actions or the actions of others that you are endorsing.

[Deathravin]

No, I am not. You simply aren't thinking about the repercussions of your actions or the actions of others that you are endorsing.

You're under the mistaken impression that I had an endorsement of the internet anonymicons actions. I didn't mean to express any feelings about it either way. If it came off as gloating, I feel that is the problem. My intention was to simply state facts.

[Deathravin]

If you would like to debate the actions in UC Davis and my personal 'feelings' about them. That's fine.

- The students shouldn't have been on the walkway to begin with. They were doing it to be dickish and to get a rise out of the cops. They succeeded. They aren't stupid, they were TRYING to get a reaction. They got what they wanted.

- The police over-reacted. They could have solved the problem diplomatically. They were not 'trapped', and the police could have been calm and rational. The students were causing an extremely minor safety problem, but the police should have waited until it actually caused a real problem before reacting the way they did.

- At very least I'd suggest the police in Davis, and most everywhere else in the country, go to crowd control training where they can learn the difference between dispersing a crowd of rowdy basketball fans, and trying to disperse a group of angry protesters. One fights a cause, the other causes a fight. You can disperse basketball fans with pepper spray and a show of force. Student protesters aren't going to budge. And if they aren't doing anything criminal, why would you need them to?

- As for the posting of the officers personal and professional information. He's a public servant and as such his professional information has every right to be posted. The officer was being fairly dickish himself, and unfortunately in the age of the internet, that means you take certain internet persons will do what they do, there is no way around it.

If they can find the personal information of a random person who video taped himself throwing puppies in a river, you can bet your ass they can find a cop's data. There's nothing really that can be done about it.

- Lets put it like this: I don't know the badge number, name or phone number of the officer directly behind officer casual pepper spray. Shit happens.

[Tgo01]

- As for the posting of the officers personal and professional information. He's a public servant and as such his professional information has every right to be posted. The officer was being fairly dickish himself, and unfortunately in the age of the internet, that means you take certain internet persons will do what they do, there is no way around it.

If they can find the personal information of a random person who video taped himself throwing puppies in a river, you can bet your ass they can find a cop's data. There's nothing really that can be done about it.

See you say you're not giving an opinion one way or the other on this yet everything you post sounds like you're actually defending what these idiots are doing. Just because it's 'easy' for someone to find and post all of his personal information on the internet doesn't mean they should nor does it make it right.

[Deathravin]

Read the whole thing before you comment. Couldn't you tell the difference between my "news" programming and the "commentary" programs? har har har.

At any rate, I never said it was right. But you have live in the same world as everybody else. You simply can't stop things like that. If you don't want to be singled out as a dick on the internet, don't be a dick. It's like celebrities complaining about paparazzi and then going out, getting black out drunk and coked up and being arrested for cocaine possession after running nude down hollywood blvd (don't ask where that coke was). They sought out fame, and this cop casually pepper sprayed a seemingly peaceful college protest with 50 camera phones pointed at him. We all lie in the beds we make.

[Atlanteax]

- The students shouldn't have been on the walkway to begin with. They were doing it to be dickish and to get a rise out of the cops. They succeeded. They aren't stupid, they were TRYING to get a reaction. They got what they wanted.

See, you just identified why the protestors are a joke.

Boils down to just a bunch of hipster kids who are all about "sticking it to the man" who in this case, happen to police officers.

.

Which by the way, *completely absorbs all the attention* that would otherwise be about whatever message they were attempting to convey (protest tutition hikes, or in OWS's case, corruption in the financials industry).

So now, instead of being *sincere* protestors, they are just a bunch of kids being dicks with nothing better to do.

[Deathravin]

I recall seeing maybe 25 protesters being sprayed for being dicks.

http://i.imgur.com/Wbdf5.jpg
Out of... a bit more

[AnticorRifling]

I recall seeing maybe 25 protesters being sprayed for being dicks.

http://i.imgur.com/Wbdf5.jpg
Out of... a bit more

Yeah but that pic couldn't be the sheep flocking over after the the 25 dicks got sprayed though right?

[Parkbandit]

Yeah but that pic couldn't be the sheep flocking over after the the 25 dicks got sprayed though right?

That sounds like a typical Saturday night for you.

[AnticorRifling]

Living the dream.

[Gravebane525]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogEvgD8Rwgg&feature=related

how to get your ass kicked by the police

most don't apply... but still funny

[Parkbandit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cJD8pZiRIzs#!

Adam Carolla is spot on. It's long as hell, but it's funny and brutally honest. NSFW unless you have headphones on.

[Tgo01]

That was pretty awesome.

[Deathravin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cJD8pZiRIzs#!

Adam Carolla is spot on. It's long as hell, but it's funny and brutally honest. NSFW unless you have headphones on.

This is actually what you think the occupy movement is about?

[Parkbandit]

This is actually what you think the occupy movement is about?

More than anything I've heard from the actual occupy movement. If I had to boil it down to one word.. envy is probably the best descriptive word to use. "They have it and I don't" is pretty much the main theme.

[Deathravin]

Ya, we probably shouldn't have broken up standard oil either. Obviously that was good for the economy to have >1% of the national wealth in the pocket of a single man. There were no ill effects from that situation.

[Parkbandit]

Ya, we probably shouldn't have broken up standard oil either. Obviously that was good for the economy to have >1% of the national wealth in the pocket of a single man. There were no ill effects from that situation.

So, the "1%" is a monopoly?

Hopefully, you can come up with a better comparison... maybe something less than 100 years.....

But, thanks for proving my point:


"They have it and I don't" is pretty much the main theme.

[crb]

Ya, we probably shouldn't have broken up standard oil either. Obviously that was good for the economy to have >1% of the national wealth in the pocket of a single man. There were no ill effects from that situation.
Strawman slain. +10 points!

Free market capitalists are no fans of monopolies, this is why they're so anti-union. Nor are they fans of giant corporations. Statists are, whole other side of the political spectrum. See, when a corporation gets big it can procure political influence, and that can translate to power if the state is large and has power. You cannot police this, in fact, the larger and more authoritarian the state, the more corruption ends up existing as a matter of necessity. Since you cannot prevent a business from looking out for itself and attempting to gain political influence, and you cannot prevent a politician from looking out for himself and accepting gain in exchange for that influence. The only fool proof defense against corruption is to limit the powers of the government, so there is no point in bribing anyone. This ensures a free marketplace where everyone can be on equal footing, regardless of political pressure.

This is why, despite rhetoric to the contrary, big corporations and big statist types like Obama, are actually pretty cozy - well, the ones he has deemed more equal than others in any case. Crony capitalism is not a free market.

* this should not be seen as partisan, I'll readily admit the above describes people on the left, and the right. Though, more often on the left, especially lately.

[ClydeR]

Taxes on small financial transactions (one version of this is known as a Tobin tax)

Interesting animated GIF in this article..


This astonishing GIF comes from Nanex, and shows the amount of high-frequency trading in the stock market from January 2007 to January 2012.

More... (http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/08/06/chart-of-the-day-hft-edition/)


Back in 2007, I wasn’t a fan of a financial-transactions tax; today, I am. And this chart shows better than anything why my opinion has changed. The stock market is clearly more dangerous than it was in 2007, with much greater tail risk; meanwhile, in return for facing that danger, society as a whole has received precious little utility. Are spreads a tiny bit tighter than they might be otherwise? Perhaps. But that has no effect on stock-market returns for long-term or even medium-term investors.

The stock market today is a war zone, where algobots fight each other over pennies, millions of times a second. Sometimes, the casualties are merely companies like Knight, and few people have much sympathy for them. But inevitably, at some point in the future, significant losses will end up being borne by investors with no direct connection to the HFT world, which is so complex that its potential systemic repercussions are literally unknowable. The potential cost is huge; the short-term benefits are minuscule. Let’s give HFT the funeral it deserves.

HFT = high-frequency trading

Would a financial-transactions tax, sometimes call a Tobin tax, fix the perceived problem?

This article also is an example of how animated GIFs are rising from the grave. There's a huge amount of information packed in this particular GIF.

[Gelston]

Someone needs to dredge up an old OWS thread so we can mock young idealists.

I'm sure you can find some good tidbits in here Ker Thwap.