Man throws water on crying baby.

"""Man facing deportation after throwing water in crying baby's face
January 30, 2004 - 2:27PM


Sao Paulo, Brazil: An American citizen who threw a cup of water in the face of a crying baby during a flight to Brazil, will be deported, the authorities said on Thursday.

"Ronald Harry Duffy had his visa revoked because of inconvenient behavior and was not allowed into the country," said Brazilian Federal Police spokesman Wagner Castilho. "He has been ordered deported."

The 35-year-old Duffy, who is from Pennsylvania, was seated next to a Brazilian couple and their baby during a TAM Airline Miami-Sao Paulo flight that landed on Wednesday.

"Annoyed with the baby's constant crying, Duffy, who was drunk, threw the contents of a cup of water in the baby's face," Castilho said adding, that flight attendants had to "restrain other passengers who wanted to beat him up."

The pilot informed police of the incident, and when the plane landed, Duffy was detained.

The baby's parents did not file charges.

Duffy, who was hoping to spend Carnival in the northeastern state of Bahia, was being held in a private room at Sao Paulo's Guarulhos International Airport and will be put on a Miami-bound plane on Thursday, Castilho said.

It was the second incident this month involving a US citizen at the Sao Paulo airport.

Two weeks ago, an American Airlines pilot had to pay a fine of nearly $13,000 after being accused of making an obscene gesture during new customs procedures for US citizens.

AP""'


Discuss.

[Jonty]

I would have made him eat the fucking cup.

[Kriztian]

What's to discuss? A couple morons got sanctioned for acting like - morons. Or did I miss something?

If this was the the other way around we'd have bleeding hearts yelling, "OMG U R RASCIST U CANNOT DEPORT BRAZILLIANZ OMG!!11"

- Arkans

Sorry, A pet peve of mine is crying babies in public places. I don't think what this guy did is right by any means, but he did find something to do aside from pulling out his hair....

Edit to make my views clear: I agree with jonty's idea

[Edited on 5-28-2004 by The Edine]

[Jonty]

Originally posted by The Edine
Sorry, A pet peve of mine is crying babies in public places. I don't think what this guy did is right by any means, but he did find something to do aside from pulling out his hair....

Where would you like the baby to cry while on the plane? Should the mother hold up the restroom until the baby stops?

[Satira]

Babies cry. You can't keep them in little cages and never go anywhere with them. Yes, it is annoying. However, if you're on a plane it's not like you can LEAVE and take the baby somewhere else.

Regardless of circumstances you can't throw water in a baby's face. Period.

It was because the guy was drunk. And a dickhead.

Oh i agree with your first post. Just was somewhat taken back by the guys reaction. <as much as I cant stand it, I would not do anything to stop it> The whole story which I could not find was, he asked a flight attendant for a cup of water, then tossed it in the babies face. It was planned out not just a knee jerk reaction.

[Satira]

What an asshole.

I realize that's annoying, and I've actually had a baby next to me crying on a flight so I know, but it's just a baby. It's not like they're doing it on purpose.

[Xcalibur]

Baby crying = reason.

Baby crying for 1 hour = parent's fault.

Therefore, guy should had "slap" the parent, not the baby.

[Nakiro]

The airline was at fault. He shoudln't have been allowed to board while intoxicated. They put everyone at risk.

[Fengus]

I would escape, then murder some Brazilian peasants. If I was that guy.

[Satira]

I think the Brazilians are doing a good enough job murdering themselves without this guy helping them out.

[Skirmisher]

Hrm...should have let the other passengers beat the snot out of him.

Good for Brazil. He has already shown what an ass he is and his inability to handle his alcohol. Why in heavens name would they want him coming to like the worlds biggest party?

I agree. ship his drunk punk self home.

[Kitsun]

I absolutely hate babies crying in public places. Might not be the kid's fault but it sure is the parents.

The parents have absolutely zero consideration for the other people that have to endure the ear trauma from hell. Why the fuck do people bring kids on 8 hour plane rides? Why do they HAVE to bring them to nice restaurants? Why do they always bring them to loud horror and action flicks?

The parents should have to pay a portion of everyone's ticket to suffer their idiocy. That'll teach em to be too cheap to find a goddamn baby sitter.

[TheEschaton]

Should they have left the kid in the States?

Jesus, it's not like they were in a movie theater and refused to leave.

They were BRAZILIAN. THEY WERE COMING HOME.

-TheE-

[Jonty]

Originally posted by Kitsun
Why the fuck do people bring kids on 8 hour plane rides?

Maybe they have to go some place?

[Anailea]

Originally posted by Kitsun
I absolutely hate babies crying in public places. Might not be the kid's fault but it sure is the parents.

The parents have absolutely zero consideration for the other people that have to endure the ear trauma from hell. Why the fuck do people bring kids on 8 hour plane rides? Why do they HAVE to bring them to nice restaurants? Why do they always bring them to loud horror and action flicks?

The parents should have to pay a portion of everyone's ticket to suffer their idiocy. That'll teach em to be too cheap to find a goddamn baby sitter.

Yeah, you're right. The kid should be left where ever they were. Kids should never be allowed on airplanes. Kids should never be allowed in restaurants. "No, I'm sorry. That child is not old enough to allowed along with the rest of the family." (dripping with sarcasm, for those who missed it)

However, I agree, there is no reason for a baby to be at a movie. People fly for various reasons. Including, moving or funerals. People enjoy spending time with their children, in restaurants. Sometimes, children are sick, and are going to a specialist in another city.

Crying children should be taken out of a public place, if possible, until they stop crying. However, there are times when the parent's are doing nothing wrong, and the child won't stop crying. Including, but certainly not limited to, the child's ears are hurting from the pressure changes.

edited to say: I have a real problem listening to kids cry to. In fact, there are times that I have tried/offered to help the parent.

[Edited on 5-28-2004 by Anailea]

[Skirmisher]

Oh, E, come on, thats no excuse to bring a baby on a plane.

I mean so they were going home....so what?

The enjoyment of that poor inebriated fine mannered gentleman was infringed upon.:loser:

[Satira]

It isn't like you can politely ask the baby, "I know this may be a bit of an inconvience to you, but could you please stop crying?"

It's a baby! There's an inebriated asshole sitting next to them.

I'd cry too.

[Skirmisher]

More water for you!

[Chyrain]

FYI - babies who are in the air at 35,000 feet are more sensitive to the pressure changes. The child could have had the start of an ear infection (which children always get) and could have been in excruciating pain.

As adults, we are able to express our discomfort, fear, hunger, pain, frustration in a way that an infant cannot.

I wish people who complained about babies crying were forced back into an infant state of immobility, lack of bodily control and inability to speak or make proper gestures for their needs. then forced into the most uncomfortable place you could be in and we can all walk by dumping buckets of water on your faces.

[Jonty]

Originally posted by Anailea
Yeah, you're right. The kid should be left where ever they were.

Um, sometimes people need to go places, and sometimes they need to go places FOR the child.

[Jonty]

Originally posted by Chyrain
I wish people who complained about babies crying were forced back into an infant state of immobility, lack of bodily control and inability to speak or make proper gestures for their needs. then forced into the most uncomfortable place you could be in and we can all walk by dumping buckets of water on your faces.

I wish people who complain about this would have someone throw water in THEIR(whenever they might have one) child's face and see how they like it....

[Scott]

Sometimes the parents need water thrown in their face in some of these situations. In this case, no. Although I would be so annoyed in this situation, but I understand there is not much the parents could do. It's the stupid parents that bring their kids to resturants, movies, etc. and they cry, scream, and yell and the parents do NOTHING. They sit there eating their food, watching the movie, or whatever. Sorry, your annoying little baby/child is pissing me off, pick it up and go somewhere else until it calms down.

[Anailea]

Originally posted by Jonty

Originally posted by Anailea
Yeah, you're right. The kid should be left where ever they were.

Um, sometimes people need to go places, and sometimes they need to go places FOR the child.

I wish people would read the entire post before they respond. I finished this section with (dripping with sarcasm).

[Mint]

I suppose checking the baby like luggage is out....

<--------- currently childless

[Jonty]

Originally posted by Anailea
I wish people would read the entire post before they respond. I finished this section with (dripping with sarcasm).

Ok.

[Kitsun]

If you need to get the baby somewhere, just use FEDEX and get it there. Won't bother anyone inside the nice cozy package and it'll be where it has to be in a day.

If smoking is considered air pollution, crying babies should be considered noise pollution. Crying children don't enjoy the meal anyway. They spoil it for anyone in the wailing radius.

Hmmm I get the feeling that this is not the time for Dead Baby jokes :no:

[Meos]

I kinda wish I could say I've been deported.

[Souzy]

Damn...some of you guys have obviously never been around babies as much? Babies cry, you cried like a bitch too when you was a baby. It happens, deal with it. Some parents do need to be slapped, only when they're not taking care of business with their kids. Other than that, you have those whiney, bratty babies that should be locked up. I'm sure being in a plane didn't help the situation for the crying baby. And yeah...let some random man toss water in my baby's face. I would've asked the stuartess to hold my kid and then bash him over the head with my shoe or someone's carry on.

[Satira]

I'm with Lalana.

You people need a crash course in babysitting.

[Shari]

While I agree crying babies is a major pain in the ass, I'm with Chyrain on this one. Children are suceptable to ear infections or sinus issues and when in the air, can be so excrutiating, you would be bawling too. My dad has had sinus issues so bad while decending from a flight he passed out.

HOWEVER, constant loud noise on a plane can be highly frustrating for hours at a time. Very rarely do I see a baby on a planeflight, simply because I'm sure its a major hassle for the parents.

Children that are roughly 3yrs or older that scream, throw things, and KICK THE BACK OF YOUR FUCKING SEAT CONSTANTLY....should have their parents soundly smacked upside the head for being so fucking oblivious to their children's actions. I cannot TELL you how many times I've jerked around in my seat, glaring at the child while it bounces all over the plane throwing peanuts, while the parents read a magazine.

Shari-who despises flying with an utmost passion.

What that jackass should have done is politely addressed the flight attendant and coaxed them into getting some more alcomahol, then consumed it to the point of catatonia!! They've got those nasty lil red label Johnny walkers on board I think.

This sad baby wouldn't have been strangled if proper dosages of ethanol were introduced.

[Bobmuhthol]

The baby needs to grow the fuck up.

[Fengus]

Originally posted by Kitsun
I absolutely hate babies crying in public places. Might not be the kid's fault but it sure is the parents.


And you know what about crying babies? Nothing?
There are things you can do, sometimes, but then there are other times that there is nothing at all you can do to stop a baby from crying. I used to be just like you, back when I was ignorant, now I know.

[Sweets]

If that was my child the man would have a permanent shoe print on his ass.

As for crying babies in public places...Wow how harsh are some of you? No I would not bring my baby to fine dining and would choose a more family orientated place. A theater...yes that is rude on the parents part. A three year old kicking someone's seat needs a correction from their parents. Other than reasons like this...lay off the babies. They cry sometimes because they have gas..a pain etc. And sometimes for hours. Trapped on a plane? Gah...but that's why we're adults isn't it? We are suppose to have the patience to deal with an infants discomfort. Not the big infants whining about themselves.

I will not keep my baby in a box because others are too infantile to deal with what babies do.

[Kitsun]

Originally posted by Fengus

Originally posted by Kitsun
I absolutely hate babies crying in public places. Might not be the kid's fault but it sure is the parents.


And you know what about crying babies? Nothing?
There are things you can do, sometimes, but then there are other times that there is nothing at all you can do to stop a baby from crying. I used to be just like you, back when I was ignorant, now I know.

I'll refute that with one word: Gag.

See? Now there is some way to stop the kid from crying.

Or you could notice my main gripe was not that they couldn't stop the kid but rather they brought the kid to a place where they can not or will not remove them from a position where they're causing suffering to the general public.

[Kitsun]

Originally posted by Sweets
If that was my child the man would have a permanent shoe print on his ass.

As for crying babies in public places...Wow how harsh are some of you? No I would not bring my baby to fine dining and would choose a more family orientated place. A theater...yes that is rude on the parents part. A three year old kicking someone's seat needs a correction from their parents. Other than reasons like this...lay off the babies. They cry sometimes because they have gas..a pain etc. And sometimes for hours. Trapped on a plane? Gah...but that's why we're adults isn't it? We are suppose to have the patience to deal with an infants discomfort. Not the big infants whining about themselves.

I will not keep my baby in a box because others are too infantile to deal with what babies do.

If you ever spend an extended flight sitting right next to a crying baby, you'll understand my position better.

Somewhere around the 4th hour or so, the barriers of patience have been well worn away by the echoing screeches of the mini-banshee.

I've never seen anyone after an eight hour flight of sitting next to one of these suckers NOT look like they'd strangle a baby afterwards.

The only thing that gets me through those is giggling at my recollection of dead baby jokes.

Its not like I go out of my way to find babies to hate. I don't care if I hear one crying in the mall or on the street where I can walk away. But the horrors of being enclosed next to one are traumatizing.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The man deserves what he got. Anyone who thinks punishing a baby for crying is dumb.

This is so black and white it's ridiculous.

[Delirium]

Heh i was watching a show on the history channel about interrogation and it had volunteers and one of the "softening them up for questioning" techniques was to blindfold them in a room and play a tape of a crying baby for two hours. They looked like they had been kicked in the face after that.

[DeV]

The man is an idiot, drunk or not. What he did was completely idiotic and he is lucky to not have left the plane in a bloody pulp.

[Sweets]

Kitsun- I had a big long answer about babies etc....but it's not worth it, is it? Some people are just more into themselves then others. I would try to help the mother with the screaming baby. You would think of dead baby jokes.

I hope you never have children. If you do....I hope someone keeps a close eye on you.

[Edited on 28/5/2004 by Sweets]

[Artha]

He was a Man Show Man last night.

[Atlanteax]

Originally posted by Artha
He was a Man Show Man last night.

I would had expected that.

[AnticorRifling]

I hate crying babies in public about as much as stupid and rude people. I would have addressed the issue with the parent, though. You can't blame a baby for being a baby. You can, however, blame the parent for letting the action continue. But heaven forbid we ever think of holding a parent responsible for the child's actions that would be out of the question. It starts with babies and ends with teens on a killing spree and we never blame the damn parents....

[Sean]

Originally posted by Nakiro
The airline was at fault. He shoudln't have been allowed to board while intoxicated. They put everyone at risk.

Um, how do you figure? It doesn't say he got on the plane drunk. Planes serve alcohol onboard. He could have easily gotten drunk after boarding. It's also not really possible for a steward/stewardess to accruately gauge how drunk he was when they were serving him. He could have had 1 drink he could have had 10.

[Sean]

Let me start by saying I agree that the man is a total idiot and got what he deserved. But I'll also say when I fly I expend a certain amount of money to fly in comfort. Crying babies are not my idea of comfort. I realize we can't just ship them places or just leave that at home all the time. But I'd also expect the parents to atleast attempt to console their child or quiet them down if not for anything but a level of respect for everyone else flying.

[Edaarin]

Aren't you only allowed 2 drinks on a flight?

[Sean]

Originally posted by Edaarin
Aren't you only allowed 2 drinks on a flight?

Maybe, maybe not. I don't know, but it doesn't really matter.

[DianaBanana]

Cant you drink as much as you want to though in the bars at the airport before your flight?

[Trinitis]

Two notes.

One, when I was two months old, my mother had to fly home with me (we were living in Germany [Where I was born] on the army base with my father). Not only did I not cry on the plane, but I did not upset anyone else on that plane. Why? Because my mother did her FUCKING JOB!

Ok, now that I've got that out of my system.

If I had to sit next to a crying baby for 4 hours, I'd either A) ask to be moved, or B) Gouge my ears out with a bendy-straw.

[Edited on 5-28-2004 by LordAdredrin]

[Kitsun]

Originally posted by Sweets
Kitsun- I had a big long answer about babies etc....but it's not worth it, is it? Some people are just more into themselves then others. I would try to help the mother with the screaming baby. You would think of dead baby jokes.

I hope you never have children. If you do....I hope someone keeps a close eye on you.

[Edited on 28/5/2004 by Sweets]

Of course, I must be sooooo into myself for being annoyed at parents that don't respect the comfort of other people in public places when it is their decision that led to that discomfort.

To quote good old Carlin on this, "FUCK THE CHILDREN."

And yes, you can so accurately judge my ability or inability to properly rear a child based upon less than 2 pages of text on a message board.

[Edaarin]

Ah ha, another Carlin fan! I won't quote what he said to little Stacey who made the outgoing message on the answering machine....

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by Edaarin
Ah ha, another Carlin fan! I won't quote what he said to little Stacey who made the outgoing message on the answering machine....

:lol: I know I know!!

I feel bad for children that cry like that. Sometimes there's very little you can do to subdue the child to get him/her to stop crying simply because they're uncomfortable with the pressure.

But for God's sakes, at least TRY to do something. I'm only annoyed when the parents just leave the child in the seat and not DO anything. Food, bottle, carry him, sing to him, cuddle him, do SOMEthing. Eventually something works.

[DianaBanana]

Slip the kid some dimetapp in their bottle...that might work. :D

[Sweets]

I am not saying DO nothing to console the child, I am just saying if you have children you probably now sometimes...it is just impossible to console them. Yes the parent has a responsibility....that's partially my point...adults deal with children with patience. I guess I am just not with the mind of apologizing for your discomfort when sometimes that is just life......Deal.

Originally posted by Artha
He was a Man Show Man last night.

Thats what made me look up the article

What happend to the days of Hot Toddies?

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by Sweets
I guess I am just not with the mind of apologizing for your discomfort when sometimes that is just life......Deal.

Personally, no offense, but that answer and attitude is why people don't have that kind of patience with an already uncomfortable circumstance.

I'm not condoning anyone to give the parents and/or child a hard time because that's not really their business. However to tell ME to deal instead of just saying "I apologize for the crying, she's been sick" or whatever and I wouldn't say a word. Hearing "deal" is insulting to me.

[Atlanteax]

Originally posted by CrystalTears

Originally posted by Sweets
I guess I am just not with the mind of apologizing for your discomfort when sometimes that is just life......Deal.

Personally, no offense, but that answer and attitude is why people don't have that kind of patience with an already uncomfortable circumstance.

I'm not condoning anyone to give the parents and/or child a hard time because that's not really their business. However to tell ME to deal instead of just saying "I apologize for the crying, she's been sick" or whatever and I wouldn't say a word. Hearing "deal" is insulting to me.

What CrystalTears said...

If I was sitting next to a couple whose child was constantly crying on a long flight...

If mother/father voluntary apologize for the inconvience... along the lines of trying to calm baby and saying to me "I'm sorry about this"

I'm a lot more willing to tolerate such a "problem"

Than if I had asked if there was anything that could be done to calm the baby, only to get a response of a glare and a "deal with it."

The later would only serve to aggravate me further. :down:

[Sean]

Originally posted by Sweets
I am not saying DO nothing to console the child, I am just saying if you have children you probably now sometimes...it is just impossible to console them. Yes the parent has a responsibility....that's partially my point...adults deal with children with patience. I guess I am just not with the mind of apologizing for your discomfort when sometimes that is just life......Deal.

Thats a pretty poor outlook on life. I'll compare that with saying you should just have to deal with the discomfort of me throwing water in your kids face .. because well thats just life and I shouldn't have the apologize for inconvincing you or causing your child discomfort.

[Weedmage Princess]

Holy crap I can't get over the stupidity of some people.

While yes I agree, you don't bring a baby to a fancy restaurant or a movie...certain situations are unavoidable (like this one) and a baby crying more than an hour is NOT always the fault of the parent (X it scares me that you have a child. If you're not just talking shit and this is your view, you must not have been the one to deal with your kid too much.) Babies CRY, it's what they do. Usually it's cause something's wrong, and the parent has to sit there and try to figure out what it is. It's not always the first couple of things you think of, either :rolleyes: The baby could have been scared by all the unrecognizable faces on the plane as well, in addition to the air pressure, it's ears popping, etc etc. Guess what? If that's the case, there's not much the parents CAN do.

In any event, someone should throw a cup of something in this dude's face...not water though, maybe some sulfuric acid.

[Anailea]

Um, the article didn't say that the parents sat there doing nothing. Only some of you have come up with that.

[CrystalTears]

Yeah there's assumptions going around, however since the parents didn't press charges, it stands to reason that perhaps they weren't doing much in the first place.

Had someone thrown water in MY baby's face I'd press charges whether or not he was hurt. But then, if my baby were crying that much, he'd be in my arms, and water on the baby would mean water on me, and then that man would be a crimson stain on the wall.

[Sean]

Originally posted by Anailea
Um, the article didn't say that the parents sat there doing nothing. Only some of you have come up with that.

I'm not recalling anyone saying that the parents aboard sat there and did nothing. I see people stating their view on what they'd atleast like to see if they were in a similar position. Theres a difference between stating your opinion and stating fact. Then again hey maybe I missed something, because honestly I'm not going to reread everything said to find out.

[Sweets]

:( Okay Okay! I got worked up. I would not say "Just deal with it" to someone if my child was crying on a plane. Yes that would be rude. But vicious glares and judgement from someone next to me would irk the hell out of a situation that is already nerve racking...

I guess people with little tolerance for children push my buttons. Also assuming that the parents are at fault makes me grind my teeth as well.

My apoplogies to Kitsun for the snap and others as well.

[Weedmage Princess]

Yeah I didn't see that the parents didn't do anything...however I am a bit surprised that charges weren't pressed. Being the bitch that I can be, :saint: I'd definitely press charges, seek publicity..make sure this asshole's name was made very public, a household name even..synonymous with child abuse...his name and life would be ruined and I'd have my hands so deep in his pockets yanking every last cent.

That is, if I could restrain myself from ripping his face off his skull.

[Kitsun]

Originally posted by Sweets
:( Okay Okay! I got worked up. I would not say "Just deal with it" to someone if my child was crying on a plane. Yes that would be rude. But vicious glares and judgement from someone next to me would irk the hell out of a situation that is already nerve racking...

I guess people with little tolerance for children push my buttons. Also assuming that the parents are at fault makes me grind my teeth as well.

My apoplogies to Kitsun for the snap and others as well.

No apologies required here.

If you look at it from the flip side, you know your kid is going to be a problem on a plane. The people around you had no idea they'd be sitting next to a living alarm for HOURS, they were probably expecting a somewhat pleasant trip from A to B. However, to their dismay they find that you brought your problem to them. How do you expect them to feel after several hours?

Someone's kids may be little darlings for them, but to me they're the direct source of my pounding headache I won't get rid of for several hours. AND I've got a good 2 dozen people sitting around you to gripe with.

[Satira]

You can't blame the parents for the baby crying. What the hell is wrong with you people? I've spent HOURS trying to console a crying baby and sometimes they're just going to cry no matter WHAT you do for them.

Unless they're just sitting there staring off into space, it isn't their fault.

Whoever said that they should say, "I'm really sorry about this" or whatever is right. That is polite and at least takes some of the edge off of having to listen to the baby that long.

[Bobmuhthol]

Which further supports that the baby needs to grow the fuck up.

"OH WAH WAH WAH I'M A BABY AND THIS IS ALL I'M GOOD FOR."

[Satira]

:lol:

It made me laugh the first time AND the second time, Bob.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Lady Satira
You can't blame the parents for the baby crying. What the hell is wrong with you people? I've spent HOURS trying to console a crying baby and sometimes they're just going to cry no matter WHAT you do for them.

Unless they're just sitting there staring off into space, it isn't their fault.

Whoever said that they should say, "I'm really sorry about this" or whatever is right. That is polite and at least takes some of the edge off of having to listen to the baby that long.

"I'm sorry" sometimes doesn't cut it when you pay thousands of dollars to fly first class out to Europe so you can relax, only to have a screaming baby in your ear.

People have nerves, ESPECIALLY when flying. Some people hate a fly and there nerves are at the very last edge, and a crying baby can push someone over. Throwing water isn't the answer, but I can understand the guy getting extremely pissed off.

[CrystalTears]

I wonder if the child stopped crying after the water-throwing. :whistle:

[Satira]

So can I. I've HAD a baby screaming in my ear for a flight that I paid for.

I still think I'd rather have the parents say they're sorry and they think the baby's ears or popping or WHATEVER, then have them sit there avoiding eye contact, or not saying anything.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Lady Satira
So can I. I've HAD a baby screaming in my ear for a flight that I paid for.

I still think I'd rather have the parents say they're sorry and they think the baby's ears or popping or WHATEVER, then have them sit there avoiding eye contact, or not saying anything.

I'm not saying I wouldn't want them to say sorry, I'm just saying it doesn't always cut it.

I won't fly coach. I refuse to because everytime I did I get stuck next to the fat guy that takes up his seat and half mine or something that makes the flight horrible. So I spend the extra money to sit in the nice seats with plenty of room so I can enjoy my flight so I don't need to smoke a joint when I get off the plane because I might kill someone. It's like spending a ton of money on a nice house, only to find out that after you buy it, you have the worst neighbors in the world. When I pay the money, I want a good service. I want to have a nice relaxing flight where if I felt like it, I could get a pillow and sleep.

What can you do in the situation? I have no clue. What can the parents do? I don't know. However a screaming baby is going to piss people off on a plane, you can count on it.

[Delirium]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
I wonder if the child stopped crying after the water-throwing. :whistle:

If it did that guy is a hero to everyone else on the plane possibly even the mom.

[Sean]

Originally posted by Lady Satira
I still think I'd rather have the parents say they're sorry and they think the baby's ears or popping or WHATEVER, then have them sit there avoiding eye contact, or not saying anything.

Who has said otherwise?

[Satira]

Dear Tijay,

~"I'm sorry" sometimes doesn't cut it...~


Love,
Satira

[Sean]

Originally posted by Lady Satira
Dear Tijay,

~"I'm sorry" sometimes doesn't cut it...~


Love,
Satira

I don't see how saying sometimes sorry doesn't cut it equates wanting them to sit there and do nothing and avoid eye contact.

I guess maybe thats because I agree with him. Sometimes sorry doesn't cut it in my book. I would much prefer an attempt to quiet the kid. It may not be sucessful but it would speak a lot louder to me than an "I'm sorry." An I'm sorry without some sort of action on the parents part is the same as them having done nothing. It doesn't alleviate any of the stress I'd have incurred listing to their wailing kid. But whatever this is why I always bring headphones and a MP3 or CD player.

[Satira]

I did NOT say they shouldn't do anything with the baby, but there's only so much that can be done with a crying baby on an airplane.

I did not mean that he would PREFER them to avoid eye contact, I was only saying that it would make it better for ME if they were polite. Does that mean I wouldn't be annoyed? Of course I would, but it would make it BETTER.

It would HAVE to cut it for me, because what are you going to do besides sit there and be annoyed?

Obviously the guy on the plane did something and it got him in trouble. I can't think of anything you could do in that situation to make things more productive.

I wonder... they make the dog collers that stop them from barking... do you think they make baby collers that can stop babies from crying?

[Ravenstorm]

People who bring babies onto a plane should be forced to sit in the very back of the plane where their little brats will annoy the least number of people.

Raven

[Edaarin]

Why would you bring anyone under the age of 3 flying anyway...

[Bobmuhthol]

<<do you think they make baby collers that can stop babies from crying?>>

Hey look! I found one!

http://www.section6.fsnet.co.uk/images/mar_aug.jpg


And I have to include this, because it's my favorite EVAR.

http://kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Subs/Steyr_TMP.jpg

[Atlanteax]

Bob represents the epitome of human sensitivity. :smug:

[Ravenstorm]

In other words, he's the average thirteen year old boy.

Ravern

[Artha]

Actually, Bob, one of these works better.

http://www.arcadeshopper.com/mame/images/mallet.jpg

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess
certain situations are unavoidable (like this one)This situation is completely avoidable. Don't take an uncontrollable child on a plane. If you have good parents, like Adredrin apparently did, then any aged child can ride. They should have one of those carnival signs with a decimeter (or whatever measures sound): You must be THIS quiet to ride.

[Edited on 5-28-2004 by Latrinsorm]

[Merjinia]

I've had to travel several times with my four children. My husband is military and we travele(d) alot.

Most of the time we've travled military flights, so everyone pretty much expects there to be crying, whining children and worn out haggard looking Moms, and Dads on your flight. We all deal with it. We all have offered to hold someone else's baby so they can go take half a second break. Parent's and family oriented people know..kids cry, kids fuss, heck sometimes I wish I could cry and scream instead of having to acting so responsibly.. Oh I'm babbling my point being..

If you really don't like to see "People" in public places don't go there. My kids deserve exposure to restaurants, of course family oriented, but how are they suppossed to learn proper etiquette if not exposed to it. Heck fly charter, if you don't want to sit next the the fat stinky guy, or the crying baby, they are part of the public...I don't know about you, but keeping kids totally out of public places is a bit extreme, and yeah sometimes you can't stop a baby from crying no matter what you do. Shame on that man for acting like such a fool. I too would have stamped my heal print on his forehead.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Edaarin
Why would you bring anyone under the age of 3 flying anyway...

Yeah!

The lazy bastard should have hoofed it home to Brazil.

[Bobmuhthol]

If you're considering a melee weapon, a bowie knife works quite well.

http://lunnknives.com/images/bowie%20knife.jpg

[Weedmage Princess]

Sometimes, as Jonty pointed out....travelling with a child is unavoidable.

Speaking personally--I wouldn't fly with a baby *if* I could avoid it. However, if it was unavoidable (baby born prematurely elsewhere, moving, etc) ..then I'd have to bite the bullet. If my baby was being unbearable, I'd do my best to try and settle them down (most parents I think would...as it is embarrasing..no one wants to be that guy with the screaming baby) ..and yes, I'd apologize to people around me while doing whatever I could to soothe my baby, as it's the polite thing to do and I'd legitimately feel badly about the situation.

However the minute someone steps out of line, there will be hell to pay. Everyone suffers inconveniences sometimes. That's no reason to be a friggin dick about it.

[Kefka]

Originally posted by LordAdredrin
Two notes.

One, when I was two months old, my mother had to fly home with me (we were living in Germany [Where I was born] on the army base with my father). Not only did I not cry on the plane, but I did not upset anyone else on that plane. Why? Because my mother did her FUCKING JOB!

[Edited on 5-28-2004 by LordAdredrin]

That's amazing. I can't even remember dumping in my diaper once in all of babyhood. That's a pretty good memory

Did you stop to think that perhaps it was something his mother told him about his childhood?

[Kefka]

I did think of that. My mom tells me the same thing. Mothers sugarcoat memories of our childhood. She'll tell me that I was the perfect angel when I was a baby. She'll conveniently forget to tell me how she thought I was hellspawn when I decided to give the white carpet a new tinge of color when I spilled over my strained peas.

[CrystalTears]

Maybe that was your mom, and granted my mom would tell me that traveling with me was easy because I would instantly go to sleep. However she DID point out times that I was a pain in the ass, so she was honest with me about my lack of angelic moments, and I'm an only child!

[Trinitis]

Hell no my mother don't lie about the shit I put her through as a baby. But as a mattor of conversation, she told me about the flight to the US, and how she kept me quiet. A ring of those water filled keys. Chewing on them caused my ears to pop, and release any pressure build up, thus keeping me from freaking out..and keeping me quiet.

[Edited on 5-29-2004 by LordAdredrin]

[CrystalTears]

Tell her to give you those water filled keys back, or maybe something else cause they don't work anymore. <runs away>

[Trinitis]

:cry:

[Sweets]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Tell her to give you those water filled keys back, or maybe something else cause they don't work anymore. <runs away>


:lol:

[Edited on 29/5/2004 by Sweets]

[Rhynik]

If you're taking a baby on a flight, take some sort of sucker or lollipop.

If the baby starts to cry from the pressure affecting it's ears, give it to them. It's worked like a charm everytime I've flown with my son.

Pouring water on someone in some places is concidered assault. If someone choses to do that to me, or my son, I'll assault them in a much more painful way.