Space Marine

[Gelston]

Played the demo, pretty fucking sweet so far. I just enjoyed cutting up orks with a chainsword. Can't wait for the full game to release next month.

[Delias]

Looking forward to it myself, but am of course disappointed that I have to a space marine.

All I know is, it is poised to kick the ever lovin' shit out of Fire Warrior. That game was terrible.

[Gelston]

They did really good with the jump packs, which surprised me. I'm not sure if I'm going to get it on my PC or my XBox yet, because I could see it as being handled really well with a console controller.

And I guess I was fortunate enough to have never played Firewarrior. I think I was too busy playing the shit out of DoW to notice it.

I also noticed the Ultramarine movie is available for digital download now, so I went ahead and bought that for 7 bucks. I hope it doesn't suck.

[Delias]

I'm going console just to slaughter my friends.

[Androidpk]

I've watched the movie, it's pretty decent, especially if you're a wh40k fan.

[Delias]

I've watched the movie, it's pretty decent, especially if you're a wh40k fan.

I pre-ordered it for a friend... he has an entire ultramarine company, missing only a thunderhawk for 'em. Mostly because those bastards are expensive as hell.

[Ceyrin]

I want some damned Tyranids as a playable. Until that happens in a WH game, fuck GamesWorkshop.

[Gelston]

I want some damned Tyranids as a playable. Until that happens in a WH game, fuck GamesWorkshop.

You can play Tyranids in DoW2, in Retribution you can in the campaign. If you don't have DoW2, get Retribution. It is the best and a standalone.

[Androidpk]

I'd rather kill tyranids than play as them. hoping this game eventually has them.

[Gelston]

So I watched the Ultramarines movie. Did it ever explain why there was only one squad in an entire Battlebarge? I mean, those things can hold like 300 space marines.

[Delias]

So I watched the Ultramarines movie. Did it ever explain why there was only one squad in an entire Battlebarge? I mean, those things can hold like 300 space marines.

I don't think it ever explains it, but I would imagine that between attrition of the Heresy and the downsizing from legions to companies at that time that they would have a lot of vehicles like that... intended for more troops, but chronically understaffed.

[Androidpk]

So I watched the Ultramarines movie. Did it ever explain why there was only one squad in an entire Battlebarge? I mean, those things can hold like 300 space marines.

Something to do with the rest of the company being engaged in another campaign already.

[Gelston]

I don't think it ever explains it, but I would imagine that between attrition of the Heresy and the downsizing from legions to companies at that time that they would have a lot of vehicles like that... intended for more troops, but chronically understaffed.


Something to do with the rest of the company being engaged in another campaign already.


Perhaps, but still, even a battle barge itself is a fairly prized ship, and their leader was a Captain/ I'm wondering if this is perhaps occurring during that one Hive Fleets assault into Ultramar, which pulled pretty much the entire chapter back to defend. (I read way too much WH40k shit) /nerd

I think the biggest reason why is it would have been a pain in the ass to create that many characters/models.

[Gelston]

I hope the WH40k MMO being released in 2013 doesn't suck.

[Androidpk]

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hard_Choices_%27What_happened_on_Algol%3F%27

[Gelston]

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hard_Choices_%27What_happened_on_Algol%3F%27

Ahh... I guess I was right about it being Tyranids that caused them to go alone then. It doesn't say where the planet is, but I'll just assume it was in Ultramar.

[Androidpk]

Hope the game has power fists and claws but I haven't seen or heard anything about them being included.

[Gelston]

I found a power axe in the demo, and I know it has a hammer, because the trailer shows it... Might have claws, but I think powerfists are terminator armor weapons. Who knows, maybe you'll be able to get terminator armor in the game at later stages.

[Delias]

I found a power axe in the demo, and I know it has a hammer, because the trailer shows it... Might have claws, but I think powerfists are terminator armor weapons. Who knows, maybe you'll be able to get terminator armor in the game at later stages.

Don't need termie armor for powerfists- thunder hammers used to be one of the few weapons termies could wield, but they weren't exclusive to them. Not sure about lightning claws, though. They might be terminator armor only. I can't remember, offhand.

[Gelston]

Don't need termie armor for powerfists- thunder hammers used to be one of the few weapons termies could wield, but they weren't exclusive to them. Not sure about lightning claws, though. They might be terminator armor only. I can't remember, offhand.

Thunder hammers are terminator only, although I just found some conflicting info saying terminators are the only ones that can wield them one handed. I just read some crap that says powerfists are most commonly seen in terminator armor (and the pics it showed of the powerfists are likely a terminator only model) but they can be used by others, including imperial guard officers. Go figure.

[Delias]

Thunder hammers are terminator only, although I just found some conflicting info saying terminators are the only ones that can wield them one handed. I just read some crap that says powerfists are most commonly seen in terminator armor (and the pics it showed of the powerfists are likely a terminator only model) but they can be used by others, including imperial guard officers. Go figure.

Well, I haven't read a marine codex lately, but it used to say "Models in terminator armor can only be equipped with X", and not "Only models in terminator armor can be equipped with X". Additionally, inquisitors not in T-armor could use daemonhammers, which were blessed thunder hammers.

Pretty sure chainfists are terminator only, which might be part of the confusion.

[Ceyrin]

I'm pretty sure chain fist is a terminator exclusive... unless you're building an elite captain with special rules and shit.

Also, thanks for the heads-up about DoW:II Retribution. I'll be picking it up now, I suppose.

Lastly....

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uK659DPlHgg/TVniqagss5I/AAAAAAAAABM/AM4g7sOzF14/s1600/warhammer_players.jpg

[Gelston]

Well, I haven't read a marine codex lately, but it used to say "Models in terminator armor can only be equipped with X", and not "Only models in terminator armor can be equipped with X". Additionally, inquisitors not in T-armor could use daemonhammers, which were blessed thunder hammers.

Pretty sure chainfists are terminator only, which might be part of the confusion.

Yeah, there is a bunch of confusing and conflicting crap floating around the internet. One place says thunder hammers are Terminator only, another place says Terminators are the only ones that can swing them one-handed where as everyone else needs two hands.

Thinking about it, I believe my confusion came that standard-issue for many terminators is a power fist, but I think I've heard of commissars with them on a somewhat more than rare basis.

[Warriorbird]

Yeah, there is a bunch of confusing and conflicting crap floating around the internet. One place says thunder hammers are Terminator only, another place says Terminators are the only ones that can swing them one-handed where as everyone else needs two hands.

Thinking about it, I believe my confusion came that standard-issue for many terminators is a power fist, but I think I've heard of commissars with them on a somewhat more than rare basis.

Non Terminators can definitely rock power fists.

[Delias]

A lot of my imperial guard officers rock power fists... when I bother to give them wargear at all. Well, honestly, I haven't even picked up the new codex for them. I've been too focused on my dark eldar.

[Androidpk]

Lightning claws, power fists, and chain fists are most commonly used by terminators but not limited to them.

[Gelston]

Dark Eldar... Pft.. Necrons are better.

[Delias]

Dark Eldar... Pft.. Necrons are better.

Necrons aren't better than anything. Seriously.

[Gelston]

They are better than Tyranids atleast!

[Delias]

They are better than Tyranids atleast!

I haven't had a game against 'nids in like 5 years or so... not many people around here seem to play them.

[Gelston]

http://images.wikia.com/warhammer40k/images/8/85/NecronArt.jpg

[Ceyrin]

They are better than Tyranids atleast!

Disagree!

Though, I haven't bought a codex (or played at all) since like 3rd edition.

[Delias]

The new codex has a sort of build-a-bug for carnifexes and shit... but I have no interest in playing the zerg. The IG are about as close as I get to a horde army.

[Ceyrin]

They've had the mutation options since 3rd edition.

I had an awesome pack of genestealers with scything talons and rending claws, and some seriously mutated warriors to lead various groups.

[Lord Orbstar]

Was the Ultramarines movie good?

[Gelston]

Was the Ultramarines movie good?

It wasn't bad. Worth the 6 or 7 bucks I paid.

[Ceyrin]

So I picked up DOW 2 gold edition through Steam. It's pretty cool. Only had time to really play one mission on retribution for the Tyranid campaign though.

The game doesn't make me love RTS any more, and I'd still prefer TBS for any game like this, but it's a lot of fun just the same.

Mmmmm Genestealers.

[Gelston]

I would love love love a wh40k rpg.

[Androidpk]

What sort of rpg exactly?

[Ceyrin]

I would love love love a wh40k rpg.

There's a fairly old one based on the Inquisition.

I'm talking over a decade old now. Finding the books is probably about as impossible as finding any other old GW stuff - like an old GW Talisman set.

[Delias]

Actually, Dark Heresy is pretty current, I don't think it's that difficult to find the books. Let's do a quick check.

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_minisite.asp?eidm=50

There you go. Based on the Inquisition.

I have the main book- it's pretty cool. The system seems to be almost a cross between rifts and d&d... using a talent/feat system like d&d combined with rifts style percentile based skills.

[Ceyrin]

I was actually thinking of Necromunda... which is pretty damn obscure, I know. It's not as based in the Inquisition as I remember it, but I think that's just due to the guy who was running the game I played.

Though, Dark Heresy looks cool too.

[Delias]

Necromunda is a skirmish game- an awesome one. There was a game just called Inquisitor, which was kind of like a cross between an RPG and Necromunda.... Dark Heresy by FFG is pretty much a pure RPG.

[Ceyrin]

You're right, it IS a skirmish game, but it has enough elements to it between rules and universe to make it a fairly simple but enjoyable RPG-type game...

Holy shit... I just remember about Blood Bowl... that was fun too.

[Makkah]

They just released an expansion to Blood Bowl last year. I meant to check it out.

[Delias]

You're right, it IS a skirmish game, but it has enough elements to it between rules and universe to make it a fairly simple but enjoyable RPG-type game...

Holy shit... I just remember about Blood Bowl... that was fun too.

I actually have a shelf of necromunda terrain- I just took it out, dusted it off, and assembled it a few weeks ago. Friends came over and we were shooting the hell out each other with ridiculously named gangers, just like the old days.

[Delias]

I too just played the demo, it is indeed badass.

[Gelston]

http://www.spacemarine.com/game/weapons

Looks like there will not be powerfists, although they could be purposely not putting all the possible weapons there.

Edited to add: Upon further thought, they are missing out on some weapons there. I had a poweraxe in the demo and it doesn't appear there.

[Androidpk]

http://www.spacemarine.com/game/weapons

Looks like there will not be powerfists, although they could be purposely not putting all the possible weapons there.

Edited to add: Upon further thought, they are missing out on some weapons there. I had a poweraxe in the demo and it doesn't appear there.

DLC

[Androidpk]

Also not showing the plasma pistol and heavy bolter and I know those two are in game.

[Delias]

The ranged combat in general felt like something I would only be bothering with in specific situations... the controls don't feel as tight as they would in a dedicated shooter, so why not play to the strengths of the game by chainswording the shit out of every green motherfucker that crosses my path?

[Gelston]

I found myself using melee a lot more than shooting, for sure. Especially since melee is the only way to regain health.

[Gelston]

Oh, and they released a Prima Demo guide I guess.

http://webassets.thq.com/THQ_COM_MANUALS/Warhammer_SM_Preview.pdf

Showed hints of multiple other weapons, including the chaos variants. Heavy Bolters and all that, hooray.

[Androidpk]

Co-op announced today.

[Gelston]

I got the game preloaded on steam. Can't wait to hit this shit up at midnight tonight.

[Androidpk]

Absolutely loving this game.

[Gelston]

Yeah. The thunder hammer is dead sexy. I played multiplayer at launch till I got to level 4 so I could customize then went to the single player.

[Gelston]

PS, I hate these fucking bomb squigs. They sneak up in these groups and I don't notice the bastard until I'm hitting it in the face with a hammer and instadying.

Damn, if you are a WH40k fan, the singleplayer is fucking epic. If you aren't, it is still pretty badass.

[Gelston]

And, I just beat it. The game is awesome all the way through.

[Androidpk]

And, I just beat it. The game is awesome all the way through.

Yup, Relic fucking NAILED it. Bring on the tyranids!

[Delias]

Damnit I was hoping you'd tell me not to spend money on it. Now I HAVE TO.

[Gelston]

I hate that I couldnt put the thing down, and so therefore was forced to play all the way through on release day. Multiplayer is alright, except for the bunch of douchebags that leave their mic on and breathe through their mouth the entire map. Although I can't see multiplayer being a huge thing like CoD or BF.

[Androidpk]

Damnit I was hoping you'd tell me not to spend money on it. Now I HAVE TO.

You don't already have it? Some wh40k fan you are!

[Taernath]

Multiplayer is alright, except for the bunch of douchebags that leave their mic on and breathe through their mouth the entire map.

PC? If so, we must have been in the same matches. I almost never hear someone with a mic in PC but there was a dude breathing heavy and another playing techno the whole match. I only had enough time to do part of the first single player mission and play a single online match, but I'll play more later today. Space Marine is a lot of fun.

[Gelston]

Yep, on PC. May very well have been. Every match I've been in has had someone with a hot mic though. I'd hear breathing or just reverb. On the Space Marine forums there are people asking for an option to disable them, so hopefully they'll do that in a patch. I usually click them all off anyways, but sometimes people join midmatch and I get stuck with it again.

[Drakefang]

Mostly because all the WH40k guys are already reading this thread, I am curious where someone would start reading to learn about WH40k, in general.

I don't want to play the game (well maybe some of the computer stuff) but learn about the history, storyline and such. I picked up Horus Rising and thought it might be a good starting point. Would it be better to start with actual gaming material instead? Is there a book or series of books that would be considering a jumping off point to get into the genre?

[Fallen]

There are millions of books, that's for sure. No idea on where to start, but I agree that the world and lore of Warhammer is neat. I like the Necrons, personally.

[Androidpk]

Pick up one of the omnibus books, I'd personally advise starting with the Space Wolf one, it gives a lot of insight into the selection and training of space marines.

http://www.amazon.com/Space-Wolf-Omnibus-Spacewolf-Warhammer/dp/1844164578

And then from there I'd get the Ultramarines and Grey Knights, both of which are incredibly epic.

http://www.amazon.com/Ultramarines-Omnibus-Warhammer-40-000/dp/1844164039/ref=pd_sim_b_3

http://www.amazon.com/Grey-Knights-Omnibus-Warhammer-000/dp/1844166961/ref=pd_sim_b_2

[Gelston]

If you want to learn more about the chapter in the game, get the Ultramarines Omnibus. All three of those Android listed are good books though. Ultramarines are the most by the book, professional chapter of the Space Marines, Space Wolves are your straight up brawlers that love to drink heavy and fight hard, Grey Knights work for the Ordo Malleus of the Inquisition(They exist to fight daemons and other creatures from the warp.)

There are some other good books out there also, such as Gaunt's Ghost which is about an Imperial Guard Regiment and Last Chancers which is about an Imperial Guard Penal Regiment. Another really good one I liked was called Ciaphus Cain: Hero of the Imperium, it is about a commissiar, and he runs into Necrons a lot.

If it doesn't have Black Library on the book though(the symbol below), it is probably crap and not WH40k canon, such as most of the WH40k books you'll find for the Nook and stuff on Amazon. Some of them are okay, but the quality is really meh.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_m4gOsU9_sxo/TKX-yI5KAtI/AAAAAAAAALM/KT_HJ69X9Js/s1600/Black+Library.png

[Drakefang]

Pick up one of the omnibus books, I'd personally advise starting with the Space Wolf one, it gives a lot of insight into the selection and training of space marines.

http://www.amazon.com/Space-Wolf-Omnibus-Spacewolf-Warhammer/dp/1844164578

And then from there I'd get the Ultramarines and Grey Knights, both of which are incredibly epic.

http://www.amazon.com/Ultramarines-Omnibus-Warhammer-40-000/dp/1844164039/ref=pd_sim_b_3

http://www.amazon.com/Grey-Knights-Omnibus-Warhammer-000/dp/1844166961/ref=pd_sim_b_2

Well, here's to hoping this is the leaping off point since I just purchased all three. Thanks for the advice.

[Gelston]

Also, http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page has a lot of WH40k history and stuff. It WILL spoil book plots, because the info comes from everything considered canon (BL books, Codex, etc)

[Delias]

If you want to learn more about the chapter in the game, get the Ultramarines Omnibus. All three of those Android listed are good books though. Ultramarines are the most by the book, professional chapter of the Space Marines, Space Wolves are your straight up brawlers that love to drink heavy and fight hard, Grey Knights work for the Ordo Malleus of the Inquisition(They exist to fight daemons and other creatures from the warp.)

There are some other good books out there also, such as Gaunt's Ghost which is about an Imperial Guard Regiment and Last Chancers which is about an Imperial Guard Penal Regiment. Another really good one I liked was called Ciaphus Cain: Hero of the Imperium, it is about a commissiar, and he runs into Necrons a lot.

If it doesn't have Black Library on the book though(the symbol below), it is probably crap and not WH40k canon, such as most of the WH40k books you'll find for the Nook and stuff on Amazon. Some of them are okay, but the quality is really meh.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_m4gOsU9_sxo/TKX-yI5KAtI/AAAAAAAAALM/KT_HJ69X9Js/s1600/Black+Library.png

I'd also recommend Path of the Warrior and Fire Warrior.... pretty sure they are the only two black library books from the POV of someone not in the Imperium. The first is about craftworld Eldar and the second is about the Tau.

[Delias]

You don't already have it? Some wh40k fan you are!

I've been spending my allotted leisure money on new vehicles for my DE...

[Gelston]

I'd also recommend Path of the Warrior and Fire Warrior.... pretty sure they are the only two black library books from the POV of someone not in the Imperium. The first is about craftworld Eldar and the second is about the Tau.

Heresy!

I think I've seen Fire Warrior before, but grabbed a different book instead.

Did you know there is a book about a Space Marine that crash lands in Azeroth? It is a shitty amazon nook book, and has bad reviews... I'm tempted though.

[Delias]

Heresy!

I think I've seen Fire Warrior before, but grabbed a different book instead.

Did you know there is a book about a Space Marine that crash lands in Azeroth? It is a shitty amazon nook book, and has bad reviews... I'm tempted though.

Fire Warrior is actually a pretty good book... it basically switches back and forth from a Fire Warrior in his trial of fire, Kais, and a space marine captain who reluctantly allies with him while fighting chaos.

The eldar book is pretty cool just because it tackles a lot of the info about the aspect warriors and stuff.

[Androidpk]

Well, here's to hoping this is the leaping off point since I just purchased all three. Thanks for the advice.

I gave those 3 books to my brother a few months ago for the same reason and he devoured them.

[Gelston]

Fire Warrior is actually a pretty good book... it basically switches back and forth from a Fire Warrior in his trial of fire, Kais, and a space marine captain who reluctantly allies with him while fighting chaos.

The eldar book is pretty cool just because it tackles a lot of the info about the aspect warriors and stuff.

I wish they sold black library for digital downloads from amazon! I guess I'll have to go to the bookstore and grab one.

[Taernath]

Mostly because all the WH40k guys are already reading this thread, I am curious where someone would start reading to learn about WH40k, in general.

I don't want to play the game (well maybe some of the computer stuff) but learn about the history, storyline and such. I picked up Horus Rising and thought it might be a good starting point. Would it be better to start with actual gaming material instead? Is there a book or series of books that would be considering a jumping off point to get into the genre?

The other guys have given some good book recommendations, and I'd like to echo the first Gaunt's Ghosts omnibus and mention the Ravenor/Eisenhorn series, particularly Eisenhorn. It follows an Inquisitor through most of his career and I don't really want to say much more than that. Ravenor is Eisenhorn's student and his series picks up towards the end of Eisenhorn, so you definitely want to read them in order.

Caiaphas Cain is a really good series if you like Flashman. It's done in a different style than most 40k books and really doesn't take itself too seriously.

The Horus Heresy series is sometimes hit and miss due to different authors, but most of them are pretty solid. The first three sort of set the stage for the rest of them.

Probably the best 40k book I've read was Titanicus by Dan Abnett. It's about a war on a forgeworld and involves lots of titan combat.

p.s. Stay away from anything written by C.S. Goto.

[Androidpk]

http://kotaku.com/5837608/win-this-custom-space-marine-playstation-3

[Gelston]

A good list of all the official, and for the most part, pretty good books as far as Warhammer 40k can be found at blacklibrary.com.

[Gelston]

http://kotaku.com/5837608/win-this-custom-space-marine-playstation-3

Guess I should get a twitter account.

[Androidpk]

Is it just me or did the ending totally suck?

[Gelston]

I was upset with the last boss fight, but it was a relief. I was totally out of ammo and stuff after I ended his waves of chaos.

[Lord Orbstar]

I got it and LOVE it. my 12 year old daughter is all over it too. For the Emperor.

[Delias]

I got it and LOVE it. my 12 year old daughter is all over it too. For the Emperor.

On the plus side, space marines can't reproduce sexually.