Neighbor's Dog

[Buckwheet]

So for the second time in two weeks I almost get my face bit off by my neighbors dog.

I have talked to them several times and they insist the dog is more bark then bite.

Here is my dilemma:

MOST of the time the dog is on a thin white nylon rope tether to a stake in the ground and the rope goes pretty much as close as it can to my property.

However, sometimes when they let the dog out it gets away and runs through the back yard.

They claim this has never happened, but I have motion lights and have recently attached 2 500 watt halogens to it. So when ANYTHING goes through my back yard it lights up like the sun has been turned on. They shout the dogs name and it goes tearing ass back through my yard.

Anyways, two weeks ago, they claim the rope "broke" and needed to be replaced.

It was replaced with this even thinner white colored nylon rope that was long enough to let the dog come through into my yard and right to the edge of a gravel walkway from our driveway to the backyard.

So it came through to my yard and scared the shit out of me, it barks and growls etc as it charges at you from where ever it is in the yard. It didn't bite me or anything.

So I went and told them that the dog was now able to get through into my yard and that they needed to shorten the rope.

So today, two weeks later, I am walking in the same area and they let the dog out and it comes charging at me in to my yard and jumps like its going to attack to only get yanked back at the last second by the rope.

So anyways I told them to take control of the dog, angry words were spit between backyards etc, and I ended up calling the cops.

Cops documented it, and said if I see more infractions they can do something about it.

But, while the cop was there the guy tied knots in his shitty ass rope to make the dog go right back to the property line.

So long and short of it. The dog charges at people in my yard and if they are not familiar with it they don't know the dog is tethered until the very last second, and sometimes the dog gets off leash.

Short of installing a real fence, which I don't think I should have to do, what can I do to try and get proof of the dog doing infractions and when not doing infractions charging me right to the property line?

I would like to have the cops have more evidence when I call them next time than just the word of myself.

I want to add that I am terrified of this type of dog, its a sheltie or however its spelled, and when I was about 9 a sheltie chased me down on my bike and attacked me, and when my brother came to help it just about chewed his face of literally...bit through his cheek, nose, upper lip and just about took out his eye.

So I know some of this fear is because of this previous attack, and that is why I don't want to over-react by just putting up a fence.

Thanks for reading this long ass post, I am just at a loss what I can do if the dog is in their property and just harassing people when they come over.

[DrZaius]

That sounds like a pretty shitty situation. You could put those little "training" flags they use for marking out where an invisible fence is, or where buried lines are and then install a nanny cam. A more reasonable solution would be to talk to your neighbor and say, "I need you to control your animal and make sure it doesn't come into my property anymore." You can feel free to add "If I feel threatened I don't have a problem shooting something on my property", but that's up to you.

-DrZ

[BriarFox]

Hm. Well, you could, if you're nice, keep a spray bottle with vinegar or something in it with you and spray the dog with it when it comes near. If you're meaner, you could figure out whatever's legal and use something stronger, like pepper spray. You can warn the neighbors about it first, if you want. Maybe that'll encourage them to keep it under control.

I love dogs, but I hate stupid owners.

[DrZaius]

I love dogs, but I hate stupid owners.

This. If the dog is charging you everytime it sees you and harasses your guests, it's poorly trained and it's the owner's fault it's aggressive. Clearly none of the fault lies with the dog, rather with the owners who keep a pet they're too lazy to properly train.

[waywardgs]

You're afraid of a sheltie?

[DCSL]

A Sheltie? The miniature sheepdog that weighs, at most, 20 lbs? Or the larger Rough Collie (looks virtually identical except bigger) that goes up to around 70 lbs? 'cause if it's a Sheltie and it jumped at you, you could just swat that thing out of the air to protect yourself if it REALLY came to that. Although of course I don't advocate animal abuse but if you're phobic about the smaller breed of dog, you could reassure yourself with that, I guess.

Also, have you explained this phobia and past experience to the owners? They might be more sympathetic with your problem.

Do they leave it on the tether unsupervised? If so, does the dog change its behavior pattern when they're around? They might not believe you about its threatening behavior if they've never seen it themselves, if the dog is more circumspect in their presence.

[phantasm]

Dogs are easily trained. Just blast it with a water hose every time you see it. Or give it treats or something.

[Paradii]

Hrmm, sacking the fuck up might be the best defense against a sheltie.

[Buckwheet]

I should point out they watch the dog charge me.

I have spoken to them and they let the dog out on purpose this time, I think.

So we have a decorative fence, maybe I will just take a picture and post it later, thats been here for years. It not really afence just a wooden thing people put up as decoration.

Anyways when we moved in it was common on the far side of your property to have these sort of fences and plant flower gardens or real gardens.

We have tomato plants there.

When we were on our hands and knees weeding/planting they let the dog out on purpose and it charged right at us while we were eye level.

But yes I have spoken with them and their response has always been "the dog is on our property we can do whatever the hell we want."

I fucking hate most dogs, probably due to horse shit owners. I grew up with hunting dogs like black labs, choc labs, viszla's and retreivers. Every dog that has ever attacked me has been these collie fucking things or terriers. I wouldn't know the difference between a 20 pound dog or a 30 pound dog with the way this thing looks. The cop even said it was aggressive towards him and he would shoot if he encountered it.

And the point is to not get bit in the first place or when I have small family members over letting them get bit right?

Anyways, the cop said, I can't shoot him(license to carry here), mace him, pepper spray him, or club him with anything or bow and arrow shoot him unless I am directly being attacked and its self defense. So basically, I have to get full on bit.

So right now I am debating calling a fence company and destroying our flower/vegetable garden and putting up a 6' high privacy fence.

But I have had complaint letters from my yard service about being charged, roofers, painters, and landscapers when they are over. All saying it was aggressive and caused them concern.

So I guess my final thought is I don't give a fuck how big or small the dog is, nobody should feel like they are going to get attacked by any size dog in their own yard when they are enjoying it. Or that children in the backyard are going to get attacked by a dog even if you are out there supervising them.

[Atlanteax]

VIDEOTAPE the dog charging at people in your backyard... make sure you demonstrate in the video how easily it reaches your yard.

Then show it to the police / animal control ... and hand it over as evidence they can use.

[Inspire]

Hm. Well, you could, if you're nice, keep a spray bottle with vinegar or something in it with you and spray the dog with it when it comes near. If you're meaner, you could figure out whatever's legal and use something stronger, like pepper spray. You can warn the neighbors about it first, if you want. Maybe that'll encourage them to keep it under control.

I love dogs, but I hate stupid owners.


I like this suggestion. I like all animals but mean animals need to be put in their place and quickly.

If the neighbor guy isn't around, knee it. (Let it jump at you, but after it has jumped and before it reaches you put up your knee so it hurts him to jump on you.) Aim for the chest/ribs so they lose their breath when they jump. It's not really painful for them but it's a rather uncomfortable shock.

[DCSL]

Definitely save those complaint letters. Make copies, show them to the neighbors. The cops/court would be interested in seeing them. Have the neighbors on the other side of them had problems?

[Buckwheet]

Hmm video taping, would be hard to do when you are carrying the canoe out from the back shed haha. But maybe I can find a pretty decent security camera.

I am not sure its really legal to put in a video camera pointed in to your neighbors yard to video capture them without their knowledge?

Because I do have a back deck that we use when people are over and they get charged. I could setup something there and just review it.

Arm chair legal advice on video taping the edge of your property where you walk and into the back yard of your neighbor anyone?

[Inspire]

You're allowed to video tape whatever you want.

[Buckwheet]

Definitely save those complaint letters. Make copies, show them to the neighbors. The cops/court would be interested in seeing them. Have the neighbors on the other side of them had problems?

Showed the neighbors already, showed the cop today he said its third hand and can't do anything about it. Other neighbors have a chain link fence but he throws shit at the dog and hits it with the hose when it charges at the fence and their patio area and just barks for hours.

[Androidpk]

Put that rifle you bought to good use.

[DCSL]

You don't have a cell phone camera that could take a minute of video footage? Just walk out there and tape it as it happens.

[Sam]

Also, post a video of you kneeing it.

[Tgo01]

You're allowed to video tape whatever you want.

No.


Arm chair legal advice on video taping the edge of your property where you walk and into the back yard of your neighbor anyone?

As your neighbors so eloquently put it "It's your property you can do whatever the hell you want with it!"

[waywardgs]

Quit being a pussy about a 15 pound dog?

[Tgo01]

Quit being a pussy about a 15 pound dog?

Does the size of the dog matter? Really?

[waywardgs]

Does the size of the dog matter? Really?

Um... Yes. Size matters.

[Androidpk]

You're allowed to video tape whatever you want.

To a degree, there are some states that won't allow you to use a video camera that captures audio too.

[Inspire]

Grab it by the throat and hold it down until it submits. (Yes, I have had to do this.)

[Paradii]

What's the deal with the sentence, line space, sentence, line space, sentence, ect, posting style?

[Tgo01]

Um... Yes. Size matters.

Curse you!

[Buckwheet]

You don't have a cell phone camera that could take a minute of video footage? Just walk out there and tape it as it happens.

It takes him less time to get to me then it would to get the phone out of your pocket and enable the camera.

Like I said, I am pretty sure they are releasing the dog on purpose now when you are doing things like carrying stuff or the canoe or getting out a ladder.

The last 5 or 6 times(today being the closest to ever getting bit because of the new rope length) we have been in very bad positions, hands/knees weeding, carrying the canoe, carrying 2 5 gallon pails of concrete, using the wheelbarrow, and then today carrying 300 feet of air hose over one shoulder and a bucket with my nail gun and stuff in the other. Its hard to just drop those and whip out a phone.

Keep in mind you can not be 100% sure its on the rope. We have been charged several times where it is not tethered. So you have to decide to run or stand your ground etc.

While the rifle is funny, I did ask if I have my 9mm available and walk into the back yard if he charged if I could open fire. The cop said no.

Also, we are talking a matter of feet here. Its 20 feet from their door to my face if you want to call it that. From the narrowest point our houses are 7 feet apart.

[Rinualdo]

Grab it by the throat and hold it down until it submits. (Yes, I have had to do this.)

Your dog, your boyfriend, or both?

[Inspire]

Your dog, your boyfriend, or both?

Whatever needs it.

[BriarFox]

Walk around in the back yard with your hose in your hand. If the dog comes out, spray it full blast. Alternately, carry a big chunk of meat with you and when it charges, hold the meat up high, so it has to look up, and then tell it in a commanding voice to "Sit!" Who knows? It might work.

[Kuyuk]

Just carry one of these strapped to your chest while outside..

http://www.treeworld.info/attachments/f15/3826d1200641413-do-you-carry-knife-thisisaknife.jpg

[Buckwheet]

Walk around in the back yard with your hose in your hand. If the dog comes out, spray it full blast. Alternately, carry a big chunk of meat with you and when it charges, hold the meat up high, so it has to look up, and then tell it in a commanding voice to "Sit!" Who knows? It might work.

I would rather build a fence than hope they "release the krakken" on me with a hose in hand. hah.

[BriarFox]

Well, maybe you can win it over. Buy a package of hot dogs and chop 'em up, and then toss the dog one whenever you go outside or come home. Pretty soon it's going to love you.

[Drakefang]

You're in a no win situation with shitty neighbors. I don't know shit about specific animal laws but I do know you have a right to protect yourself. Unfortunately, the dog is going to end up getting shit on. Either you are going to mortally wound it or it's going to be removed from the household unless you put up the fence you are agonizing over. If you get bit, the po po will take it away and destroy it most likely. If you are about to get bit, you may actually decide a sheltie is something a human can destroy and you will proceed to do so. However, chances are you will be wounded in the process without something weapon-like in hand. I think the cop was wrong about the pepper spray. If you can carry it to use on humans for defense you can carry the same to defend yourself from attacking beasts. However, you would then need to prove the dog was on your property and coming at you when you sprayed it, or you could get in deep shit (which is probably why the cop said no).

I think the hose and treats are not the answer. The hose will anger the dog and make it more aggressive in the future. Treats just encourage the dog to come onto your property, which is precisely what you want to avoid.

The nanny cam is the best idea. Set it up, let the thing film for a week (or however long they can continuously record) and delete the digital copy if nothing happens and set it up again. What you want to avoid is an angle that films your neighbors property. Only film your own.

[Inspire]

I would rather build a fence than hope they "release the krakken" on me with a hose in hand. hah.

LOL

I want to see this dog, will you take a picture of it?

[Archigeek]

You know what they say, "good fences make good neighbors."

I have a neighbor with a little yip-yip poodle that gets out all the time. While I've never felt threatened by it, it's annoying as hell, because when it gets out it barks for hours, walking up to anyone in the neighborhood, till the owners finally get home. It is work to resist the desire to drop kick the thing. One night it was doing it in the middle of a blizzard: I came home from work at 6pm... dog barked till about 11pm probably 50% of the time for five hours and finally stopped. The whole time it's cold and snow is blowing around.

At that point I started to think the thing might have frozen to death, so I actually went over to their house to check on its well being. Since I didn't see it, I walked into their back yard and their screen door was all the way open. It's frickin' 0 degrees out and the wind is blowing and they are heating the entire f-ing state of Minnesota. The dog was inside, so I closed the door and went home, and told them about it later. I think they accidentally left it open as they have a history of doing so, though the wife swears she'd closed it. Most of us in this state do not have difficulty discerning whether or not the door is open in January, but whatever.

The real difference though is that while my neighbors might not always be too bright when it comes to the dog, (or the back door), they're good neighbors and we cover each other when necessary. They know the dog is a problem, and have since built a dog run in the back yard and made a lot of effort to keep the dog inside or in the run and it has helped a ton. You on the other hand have shitty neighbors. It's as simple as that.

As shitty neighbors, they probably don't really give a crap about the dog. Befriend the dog and start giving it treats and I bet it is craving a friend so badly that you'll be the best one it has. Alternatively, since the real problem is shitty neighbors, maybe you should just build the fence, unless you think the rhetorical fence can be mended.

[Tgo01]

I say you buy a bigger dog that has a history of eating smaller dogs.

[DCSL]

Reading threads like this make me nervous about owning my first house. It's not as simple as having bad neighbors in an apartment building, because you can just wait for their lease to be up. Or yours. When you own the home, you just have to suck it up and try to get along as best you can.

Fortunately, all of my future neighborhood's backyards are fenced, according to the builder. Hopefully that helps, because I don't want to have another neighbor war.

[Eliaku]

Treats is the the answer. Start with tossing them at it. Then get it to sit on your command. Then get it to sit at your hand signal. They you can get it to sit from afar. If it is a sheltie this should be no problem they are extremly smart dogs.

Another thing you can do is when its on tether. Try calming signals. Be near it dont hold eye contact and yawn. Make yawning noises. Lick your lips. Look away. This communicates to the dog that you are not bothered by it and that you do not percieve it as a threat. Calming signals

I definately wouldnt let a sheltie punk you.

[Showal]

Get an ultrasonic dog deterrent. Might work. Never tried it. They even sell ones that are motion activated. Place near property line and aim at their house.

http://youtu.be/AGpaKHLIL0A

Also, actually causing injury or death to the animal will cause you a lot more grief than the bit of benefit you'll gain. Personally, if someone hurt my dog, they'd have a serious issue on their hands. Then again, I don't let my dog act like a maniac and run wild.

I know what it's like though, I had a lady at my complex with a crazy dog. The stupid little white thing is incredibly aggressive and is much stronger than the women who walks it. It has bitten her, the owner, and she's needed to go to the hospital at least once for it. It has bitten several other dogs and other residents. I hate feeling like one day it's probably going to try to attack me or my dog. The situation is a disaster waiting to happen.

[TheEschaton]

You've got a full right to put a security camera on your own property, even if it points partially into someone's backyard. As long as it's not pointing into their bedroom, you should be good, they have no reasonable expectation of privacy from you, their neighbor, if there's no fence.

[Delias]

I skipped ahead. Did anyone post poison?

[Gsgeek]

Actually your neighbors are idiots for encouraging their dog to do this or at the very least not taking steps to prevent it. All it takes is that dog to bite or for that matter even scratch you if it comes after you or anyone on your property and your neighbors are in deep shit.

Liability wise for any suit you bring against them, especially after you've already called the cops out to make a complaint about it. Secondly, insurance wise they could be in trouble too, for any claims made against them. Their rates could go up a lot or even dropped. You'd think they would be more aware as home owners.

Anyway, good luck.

[Fallen]

You don't want this problem to get worse before it gets better, so that rules out striking their animal, turning the hose on it, macing it, etc. These things might all work in the long run, but it is going to bring a lot of grief before anything is resolved, one way or another. I would suggest the treats, or preferably the fence method. That, or get an air horn and be prepared to have the cops called on you, justly or otherwise.

[Buckwheet]

Talked to some folks at work and there is some spray you can put along your property line they suggested along with the ultrasonic.

Those seem pretty cheap so I think I am going to order those up and deploy them and then I think I am going to invest in an inexpensive security camera.

[AnticorRifling]

Let it bite you, then you own them.

[Paradii]

Let it bite you, then you own them.

So that's how you got married. Another mystery solved.

[AnticorRifling]

I didn't realize that was a mystery.

[DrZaius]

The main thing is that no matter what happens to the dog, your neighbors are still going to be there. If you thought they were dicks before, I think you'd be surprised how much they turn up the volume if you kill their dog. I think the ultrasonic is a good idea. It's really pretty unreasonable of your neighbors to expect you to put up a privacy fence because they think it's funny to let their dog charge you. Sounds like a bad situation; hope you figure out a good solution.

-DrZ

[AnticorRifling]

The main thing is that no matter what happens to the dog, your neighbors are still going to be there. If you thought they were dicks before, I think you'd be surprised how much they turn up the volume if you kill their dog. I think the ultrasonic is a good idea. It's really pretty unreasonable of your neighbors to expect you to put up a privacy fence because they think it's funny to let their dog charge you. Sounds like a bad situation; hope you figure out a good solution.

-DrZ

That's why you let it bite you then you make their lives hell.

[DrZaius]

That's why you let it bite you then you make their lives hell.

That's just escalating the problem. Cheap solutions that either maintain or push the status quo towards something more livable are what he's after, I think. Plus, getting bit by a dog probably sucks.

-DrZ

[Buckwheet]

The main thing is that no matter what happens to the dog, your neighbors are still going to be there. If you thought they were dicks before, I think you'd be surprised how much they turn up the volume if you kill their dog. I think the ultrasonic is a good idea. It's really pretty unreasonable of your neighbors to expect you to put up a privacy fence because they think it's funny to let their dog charge you. Sounds like a bad situation; hope you figure out a good solution.

-DrZ

I can deal with asshole neighbors because we stay to ourselves. Our deck can be converted to an inclosed area because of MN winters when we want to use it with a patio heater. Anyways we have gone to great lengths putting in plants and shrubs to create a privacy like fence for making sure people don't see us and we don't see them when we are in the backyard.

You can't see us on our deck because of strategically placed lilac tree/shrub things and its a covered deck. And we have the sun room part of our house as the room the deck area is attached to. We rather enjoy sitting in the sun room and reading/relaxing more than we do on the deck. The deck is mostly just about having the picnic table for the bbq when friends or family are over.

So yeah going to try the ultrasonic solution and when we go outside I can just plug that in. The one I am looking at says it covers 4,000 square feet, and can either work on motion control or be on permanently. I still am going to put in some HD security cameras and pipe the feed into my basement so when it goes running through my backyard I can make a DVD and be totally MN passive aggressive and just mail the DVD to them. Hah!

Thanks for all the tips and stuff.

If the roles had been reversed I would have been very apologetic and just asked them what can I do to make them feel more comfortable when my dog is out, and as the owner, I would be thinking about getting a fence just to keep the dog in. I just don't understand the mentality I guess.

Edited to add: We have lived in this area for nine years, they have been here for two and are just living in the basement of their 90 year old mom. We moved to this neighborhood because of the quietness and general mentality of keep nice houses and properties and leave everyone else the fuck alone. We don't socialize with any of the neighbors and they don't socialize with us. I know I can't expect that to stay that way for forever, but man I wish it had lasted longer than seven years.

[AnticorRifling]

I'd say dig punji pits but I want the owners to suffer not the dog.

[Buckwheet]

I'd say dig punji pits but I want the owners to suffer not the dog.

You and me both. I feel bad for the dog in that it never gets walked, and when they let it outside they just go right back in. There is very little interaction between the owners and the dog outside when it is out there.

So it just sits out there chasing birds and barking for the hour its out there and finally they take it back in.

[Buckwheet]

Spent some time browsing the web today.

http://www.cmnservicesgroup.com/fuckbagdog/dog.jpg

The dog on the right is almost identical to the dog they have.

[AnticorRifling]

That link has the word fuckbagdog in it...interesting.

[Atlanteax]

Spent some time browsing the web today.

http://www.cmnservicesgroup.com/fuckbagdog/dog.jpg

The dog on the right is almost identical to the dog they have.

Looks german-shepard-ish to an extent ... gives credibility to the way it has been intimidating.

[Stanley Burrell]

...

Alright, let's pretend I relate, more than you even, to your scenario (except I love my neighbors, but their dogs are Hand Banana uno y dos, essentially).

Do not, not be afraid to stab. Shoot. Spray. Fire. Nuclear missile.

The end. Of the world. As we know it.

Fuck it I give up.

[Buckwheet]

Looks german-shepard-ish to an extent ... gives credibility to the way it has been intimidating.

I happen to be the neighborhood watch captain, so I emailed a couple other neighbors today and they said its some kind of mix when they asked the owner.

It came from the bigger collie not the other one I mentioned previously. I got the sheltie info from people who had been to my house. Maybe they knew it wasn't a pure breed and thought sheltie meant bastard.

Who knows.

[Buckwheet]

That link has the word fuckbagdog in it...interesting.

I added that for posterity sake. I own the domain for my business, if you want I can change it for you.

[Showal]

The ultrasonic stuff will just make the dog associate your yard with a noxious stimuli. Essentially, you're just turning your yard into a place the dog will really want to avoid. It won't stop the dog from staying away from your yard and barking at you. They have those ultrasonic bird house looking things for that haha.

A sheltie looks exactly like you would imagine a mini-lassie to look like.

[Stanley Burrell]

I happen to be the neighborhood watch captain, so I emailed a couple other neighbors today and they said its some kind of mix when they asked the owner.

It came from the bigger collie not the other one I mentioned previously. I got the sheltie info from people who had been to my house. Maybe they knew it wasn't a pure breed and thought sheltie meant bastard.

Who knows.

Brig. Gen who hasn't been the same since the war, here. More than one Nazi Shepherd. Trained for mission shit. I feel you Buckwheet. In a gay way. But yeah, no. No this shit ain't cool. Man, I lived in the city and people had doormen in the fucking projects with better protection for themselves and others than in claustrophobic white picket-fenced superficial suburbia where someone's kid is waiting to get their skeleton ripped out by dogs.

It's like Ignot and Err said, you gotta kick'm in the throat.

Shit, what the fuck is this thread about again?

[Buckwheet]

Nobody recommended samurai sword as an option.

I am dissapoint.

[Androidpk]

Nobody recommended samurai sword as an option.

I am dissapoint.

Sorry it took so long, I've been researching the best type of sword to use against dogs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb3UobSZl34

[g++]

Just PM Tamral I am sure he will take care of this for you.

[Parkbandit]

Just PM Tamral I am sure he will take care of this for you.

Tamral deals with pussies, not bitches.

Pulease.

[g++]

Dude if you can dodge a cat you can dodge a small dog.

[4a6c1]

I dont get it. Cant you catch it by the neck and do a chicken spin if it actually attacks you?? It's a sheltie not a pitbull. It will let go if it cant breath...

[DCSL]

Definitely do not get bitten. When you get the video, post it up here for us to enjoy too.

[4a6c1]

Evil giant little dog will eat your soul.

http://www.skyflare.com/images/2009-12-31-jazz-sheltie.jpg

[DCSL]

Cruel.

[Buckwheet]

If Lassie was black(hah no jokes!) and was in the burbs being aggressive.

Then that is what the dog would look like.

Damn this Dog Rap, making all the gangsta bitches hostile.

[leifastagsweed]

You're afraid of a sheltie?


A Sheltie? The miniature sheepdog that weighs, at most, 20 lbs?


Hrmm, sacking the fuck up might be the best defense against a sheltie.


Quit being a pussy about a 15 pound dog?

Et al....

I would just like to remind you all that these attitudes are the same kind of reverse discrimination that people lump on rotties, dobbies, pits, and many other dog breeds that many of you so vehemently pronounce as 'breed prejudice.'

I treat all animals with a healthy respect, regardless of size, breed, etc. They may be domesticated but are often socialized to varying degrees (as demonstrated in this storyline). Regardless, they are all animals and can at anytime be potentially dangerous. In the horse community, there is a popular saying that there is no such thing as a 'safe' or 'bombproof' horse. That could be applied to any species if you think about it.

[Rinualdo]

Et al....

I would just like to remind you all that these attitudes are the same kind of reverse discrimination that people lump on rotties, dobbies, pits, and many other dog breeds that many of you so vehemently pronounce as 'breed prejudice.'

I treat all animals with a healthy respect, regardless of size, breed, etc. They may be domesticated but are often socialized to varying degrees (as demonstrated in this storyline). Regardless, they are all animals and can at anytime be potentially dangerous. In the horse community, there is a popular saying that there is no such thing as a 'safe' or 'bombproof' horse. That could be applied to any species if you think about it.

The more you post, the more I think you're a fucking idiot.

[leifastagsweed]

The more you post, the more I think you're a fucking idiot.

I'm so glad, because the feeling is mutual!

I must say, though, your sexually-charged lamp avatar always intrigues me. It's a welcomed distraction from your nonsense posts.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Call the dog whisperer!

Seriously though, please don't hurt the dog - it's the owners who are at fault, not the dog. Treats might work, but would he only associate treats to you? Your family and friends coming over would still be fair game I'm guessing, but if you keeps treats and continually use positive reinforcement with him, I bet in the long run you'll teach it some manners and everyone in the neighborhood will benefit.

I guess short of trying to work it out with unwilling neighbors, you could also just continue getting it documented and contact animal control. Not sure where you are specifically, but look up your Dept. of Animal Control, specifically these laws (these are LA county, first that showed when I googled);

Barking Dogs: Any pet owner or custodian who allows a dog to bark continuously or for an extended period of time in a manner that annoys the neighbors and disturbs the peace and tranquillity of the neighborhood may be guilty of allowing a public nuisance and punishable by a misdemeanor with a fine of up to $1000 and/or six months in jail. (California Penal Code 373A and L.A. County Code Sec. 10.40.065) If you have a noise complaint, contact your local Department of Animal Care and Control agency or submit an Animal Complaint Form (http://animalcare.lacounty.gov/Animal_Complaint_Form.asp).

Dangerous Dogs: Dogs that constitute a public menace may be impounded and removed from the custody of their owner. The Department may file a petition with the Municipal Court to determine the disposition of an animal considered to be dangerous. The owner of such an animal may be fined and forced to give up or dispose of his dog. (County Code Sections 10.37.020. 10/37.040 - 10.37.150)

Inhumane Treatment: State Penal Code Sec. 597 and County Code Sec. 10.12.160 forbid the abusing, mistreatment, torturing and subjecting any animal to needless suffering. These laws provide that no animal may be deprived of proper food, water or shelter. Violation of these laws can result in felony charges. Please report any case of inhumane animal treatment or neglect to your local animal control agency.

Providing Proper Shelter: A dog must be provided access to shelter from extremes of heat or cold and rain at all times. (Calif. Penal Code Sec.597A and County Code Title 10, Sec. 10.40.010)

Vaccination Requirements: Rabies vaccinations are required for all dogs 4 months of age or older. Failure to comply may result in a citation and a court appearance. Vaccinations must be valid for the entire licensing period. (Calif. Health and Safety Code, Sec. 1920 and County Code Title 10, Sec. 10.20.220)

Good info here
http://animalcare.lacounty.gov/barking.asp
http://animalcare.lacounty.gov/dog%20bites.asp


I think it's sad because really you can't change the fact the owners are assholes and likely the dog will suffer from any outcome other than it suddenly becoming well behaved :/

[g++]

Tamural jokes aside and being serious now my neighbor has two of the same type of dog. They run up to me all the time barking as well. My neighbor rarely even leashes them. He doesnt leave them outside all day either though because otherwise the barking would get on my nerves. Thats just the nature of the breed they remind me of maltese dogs. Im not trying to downplay the stress it can cause if you have a legitimate fear of dogs but on the other hand I can also kind of see the neighbors point that its a somewhat irrational fear. The real fact is that dog could not in any way seriously injure you. It might be healthy for you to just pet the dog a bit and get over the fear but if thats not an option i guess the whole camera/dog mace thing might work too seems like alot of trouble for such a minor situation though.

[Buckwheet]

Tamural jokes aside and being serious now my neighbor has two of the same type of dog. They run up to me all the time barking as well. My neighbor rarely even leashes them. He doesnt leave them outside all day either though because otherwise the barking would get on my nerves. Thats just the nature of the breed they remind me of maltese dogs. Im not trying to downplay the stress it can cause if you have a legitimate fear of dogs but on the other hand I can also kind of see the neighbors point that its a somewhat irrational fear. The real fact is that dog could not in any way seriously injure you. It might be healthy for you to just pet the dog a bit and get over the fear but if thats not an option i guess the whole camera/dog mace thing might work too seems like alot of trouble for such a minor situation though.

Its not just me I was worried it would attack. I have other children and family members, and not to mention serious injury and injury shouldn't be compared.

Nobody I know goes out of their way to get chewed on by dogs.

[g++]

Well sure set up the security camera and dog mace call the cops and get a lawyer. When your finding a new house 2 years from now just look back and remember Ill be petting my neighbors dog while I get my mail.

[Paradii]

Et al....

I would just like to remind you all that these attitudes are the same kind of reverse discrimination that people lump on rotties, dobbies, pits, and many other dog breeds that many of you so vehemently pronounce as 'breed prejudice.'

I treat all animals with a healthy respect, regardless of size, breed, etc. They may be domesticated but are often socialized to varying degrees (as demonstrated in this storyline). Regardless, they are all animals and can at anytime be potentially dangerous. In the horse community, there is a popular saying that there is no such thing as a 'safe' or 'bombproof' horse. That could be applied to any species if you think about it.

If a twenty pound dog is potentially dangerous to a grown man, then said man probably was probably going to die young anyway.

And you're an idiot.

[Parkbandit]

Et al....

I would just like to remind you all that these attitudes are the same kind of reverse discrimination that people lump on rotties, dobbies, pits, and many other dog breeds that many of you so vehemently pronounce as 'breed prejudice.'

I treat all animals with a healthy respect, regardless of size, breed, etc. They may be domesticated but are often socialized to varying degrees (as demonstrated in this storyline). Regardless, they are all animals and can at anytime be potentially dangerous. In the horse community, there is a popular saying that there is no such thing as a 'safe' or 'bombproof' horse. That could be applied to any species if you think about it.

So, you believe that you should approach both of these dogs in the same manner?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ieVeQ5PCgKI/TZWc3Cce7EI/AAAAAAAAI6c/_Ydcs9xlLO8/s1600/Yorkshire_Terrier_Dog_breeds_puppies_pictures_3.jp g http://images.mylot.com/userImages/images/postphotos/2178427.jpg

Serious question: Have you ever seen a dog in real life before?

[Buckwheet]

Well sure set up the security camera and dog mace call the cops and get a lawyer. When your finding a new house 2 years from now just look back and remember Ill be petting my neighbors dog while I get my mail.

Good for you? I am not sure what you want me to say other than I never said I was going to mace the dog.

I can't even place where you got this information from.

But then I remembered where I posted this in the first place...

[g++]

You said you were going to spray dog repellent on your grass. I assumed it was a kind of dog mace? My point is you really dont want to get in to a fight with your neighbors. I assure you the human beings that live next door have much more propensity and ability to harm you then their small dog. Im just telling you the same thing I would tell a friend at a bar be real careful. I would much rather tell my boss to go fuck himself then my next door neighbor. Its alot easier to find a new job then it is to move.

[Buckwheet]

You said you were going to spray dog repellent on your grass. I assumed it was a kind of dog mace? My point is you really dont want to get in to a fight with your neighbors. I assure you the human beings that live next door have much more propensity and ability to harm you then their small dog. Im just telling you the same thing I would tell a friend at a bar be real careful. I would much rather tell my boss to go fuck himself then my next door neighbor. Its alot easier to find a new job then it is to move.

The spray is a natural plant based product and nothing at all like mace. Maybe before you talk about someone talking about repellent spray in their grass being equal to macing something you would just do a quick fact check.

http://www.liquidfence.com/dog-cat-repellents.html

And I am already in a fight with the neighbors. Which is why I am trying to avoid putting up a fence. Something they could just easily destroy and cost me a lot more money.

[g++]

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So it uses garlic instead of pepper.

[Buckwheet]

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So it uses garlic instead of pepper.

Man...Pepper is pepper spray.

Mace is just that..mace. Its a tear gas not pepper spray. You might see things advertised as Mace but that is a brand name not the chemical product of Mace.

[Tsa`ah]

Before you invest in ultrasonics and other gadgets ... just get a dog whistle and walk your property while sounding it.

[g++]

Google search for dog mace

http://www.amazon.com/Mace-Brand-Muzzle-Repellent-Spray/dp/B001QFGDB8

Mace Brand Muzzle Dog Repellent Spray Dog repellents can keep away unwanted dogs while you are walking your own canine, running, jogging, biking or enjoying walk with your children. Unleashed, untrained, angry dogs can threaten you personal safety and dog pepper spray can give you added security against wild, vicious dogs. Dog sprays are made with the same active "hot" pepper ingredients as traditional pepper spray. This Muzzle defense spray product is just as strong and effective as traditional OC pepper spray, but is EPA-approved to be a humane way to stop a dog attack or vicious animal. Just a single spray to the dog's face will repel the angry animal humanely and effectively with a temporary (but intense) burning sensation. This 14 gram canine spray canister is easy to carry on a belt, waistband or attached to a set of keys. This MACE brand product features an easy flip-top safety cap that prevents unwanted use while being carried. If you do encounter a dog that violates your safety, this item also has a contoured finger grip to assist your aiming accuracy. This product is easily dispensed with a single flip-push motion using thumb for the best grip. Each unit fires about 10 one-second bursts Effective range 10-12 feet Every unit "test fired" before shipping by Mace Built-in belt clip and key chain Easy to follow instructions included Includes self-adhesive fastener for bicycle use

[Buckwheet]

Where in there do they talk about spraying it in your yard on your grass?

And as I already said that is a Mace BRAND product. Its not Mace, Mace itself is tear gas in a can.

They are selling you pepper spray in a can with the word Mace on it.

They are not selling you Mace.

[g++]

You are right the garlic spray you are putting on your yard has nothing in common with what is commonly known as mace.

[g++]

Can I have your neighbors address so I can write them a letter of support?

[Buckwheet]

PM sent

Do your worst.

[g++]

Haha he really sent it. Im just kidding good luck man. Neighborhood disputes suck.

[Buckwheet]

Haha he really sent it. Im just kidding good luck man. Neighborhood disputes suck.

You shouldn't be such a pussy and send it.

I am calling your bluff. Send it. Internet tough guy.

[g++]

Dude Im not going to write a letter to your neighbors because its a waste of time I was clearly being sarcastic and I never made any comment that would label me an internet tough guy. You are getting there though.

[Showal]

Et al....

I would just like to remind you all that these attitudes are the same kind of reverse discrimination that people lump on rotties, dobbies, pits, and many other dog breeds that many of you so vehemently pronounce as 'breed prejudice.'

I treat all animals with a healthy respect, regardless of size, breed, etc. They may be domesticated but are often socialized to varying degrees (as demonstrated in this storyline). Regardless, they are all animals and can at anytime be potentially dangerous. In the horse community, there is a popular saying that there is no such thing as a 'safe' or 'bombproof' horse. That could be applied to any species if you think about it.

Size of the dog is quite different from breed of the dog, just like the size of a human is different from the race. This argument is like saying "Before anyone says he shouldn't be worried about the 7 year old, remember this is similar to when people get mad about others saying bad things about the black people moving into your neighborhood. Everyone can be dangerous and it depends on how they were raised"

Ok, yeah fine. A 7 year old can be dangerous, but should a grown man be that afraid of them? I guess it depends, but it's not the same as being scared of another grown man.

A chihuahua can be incredibly aggressive, but the reason most owners don't take their aggressiveness seriously is because they're 4 pounds. It's actually a problem with the "toy" breeds. People are afraid of pitbulls, rottweilers, etc. because they're big and bred to be intimidating and if they're aggressive, it can be very dangerous and much more serious. This is the reason people are saying it's silly he's afraid of a sheltie.

[Showal]

Dude Im not going to write a letter to your neighbors because its a waste of time I was clearly being sarcastic and I never made any comment that would label me an internet tough guy. You are getting there though.

The difference between the repellent and mace is simple. Mace you use directly on the offender (dog or human) aiming for the eyes and face to disable them allowing you to safely escape. Mace is painful. The repellent is used on the grass of an area that you want to keep pests out of. Pests (such as this dog) approach the area, smell something they find aversive and avoid it in the future. This is no more painful than you smelling shit in an alleyway and avoiding the alleyway the next time you walk by it.

[AnticorRifling]

Unless you're the guy that shit in the alley. That is now your alley.

[Buckwheet]

Size of the dog is quite different from breed of the dog, just like the size of a human is different from the race. This argument is like saying "Before anyone says he shouldn't be worried about the 7 year old, remember this is similar to when people get mad about others saying bad things about the black people moving into your neighborhood. Everyone can be dangerous and it depends on how they were raised"

Ok, yeah fine. A 7 year old can be dangerous, but should a grown man be that afraid of them? I guess it depends, but it's not the same as being scared of another grown man.

A chihuahua can be incredibly aggressive, but the reason most owners don't take their aggressiveness seriously is because they're 4 pounds. It's actually a problem with the "toy" breeds. People are afraid of pitbulls, rottweilers, etc. because they're big and bred to be intimidating and if they're aggressive, it can be very dangerous and much more serious. This is the reason people are saying it's silly he's afraid of a sheltie.

Except I have already said it was mis categorized as a sheltie?

[Showal]

Except I have already said it was mis categorized as a sheltie?

You're right. That was more of a response to her saying that people making fun of fear of a 15 pound dog is the same as people protesting breed specific laws.

I, however, understand that you had a bad experience with a dog and would understand if you're uncomfortable with any dog, even if it were 3 pounds and blind.

[DCSL]

Et al....

I would just like to remind you all that these attitudes are the same kind of reverse discrimination that people lump on rotties, dobbies, pits, and many other dog breeds that many of you so vehemently pronounce as 'breed prejudice.'

I treat all animals with a healthy respect, regardless of size, breed, etc. They may be domesticated but are often socialized to varying degrees (as demonstrated in this storyline). Regardless, they are all animals and can at anytime be potentially dangerous. In the horse community, there is a popular saying that there is no such thing as a 'safe' or 'bombproof' horse. That could be applied to any species if you think about it.

I don't think this is some kind of reverse discrimination like "DAMN WHITE PEOPLE!!1!" so much as logical risk assessment. All of those breeds are larger animals with the weight and strength necessary to bring down or at least seriously injure an adult human. They carry the potential, if not the will. Horses have that even more so it is right to be equally cautious with all of them, be they faithful old plug or green young stallion.

I will be cautious when giving a small dog an exam or trimming its nails (little bastards are always worse for that than big dogs, with exceptions) because I don't want to deal with minor pain and a Band-Aid if I can avoid it. I will be cautious when dealing with a large dog because I don't want the major pains of going to a hospital, having to take days off work, rehabilitating limbs, possible disfiguring scars, et cetera. Cautious with both, yes, but not exactly the same as you insist because the circumstances are simply different.

It's a common sense assessment of risk while factoring size, strength, aggression... even skull size and shape. Some dogs' skulls are not built for optimal bite power. They were bred for other things. These are all things we can take in at a glance as adults.

As it turns out, the OP's problem dog is not a Sheltie so this is all beside that issue.


ETA: Or, you know, what Showal said.

[Buckwheet]

The only dog breeds I am able to get along with are hunting dogs. I think this is because all the ones I have been around are well trained. I guess I view it no more or less strange that I hate these animals more than people hate roller coasters or heights. I think the reality is I just have to not hate fences as much as I do since I hate the dog more.

Probably just going to go with a nice 6 foot high privacy fence.

I didn't like see old man moobs while he was mowing the grass anyways.

[Lord Orbstar]

Grab it by the throat and hold it down until it submits. (Yes, I have had to do this.)

while he fucked it.

[Showal]

while he fucked it.

hahahahaha. Some things are funny because they're funny. Other things are funny because they're true.

[Androidpk]

Haha he really sent it. Im just kidding good luck man. Neighborhood disputes suck.

Pussy.

[Tgo01]

Is there really no such thing as a bad dog? Ever? I'm not trying to start an argument I am genuinely curious. I always hear 'there are no bad dogs just bad owners' but that's the most I've ever heard of this argument. Can each and every single dog be trained to be 'good'? Not a single domesticated dog can be vicious for no reason that has been trained properly?

I'm not saying Buckwheets neighbors aren't bad owners because this definitely sounds like a case of bad owners.

[Eliaku]

When you see the dog is out, go to your property line, pull out your dick and pee every where. Then smile at the dog, be sure you flash a lot of teeth. Kick up some dirt and walk away like you own the place.

[Lord Orbstar]

if it comes onto your property, you can and should pepper spray it. A few times of that and the dog will not come on again. It will still bark and growl at you...from a distance.

You have shown this particular animal that you are afraid of it and you are prey. You are its bitch. You have to let it know you are the Alpha male and it needs to stay the fuck away from you.

The laws preventing you from shooting a human on your property are no where near as restrictive when it comes to animals. If you have, and can demonstrate, a bona-fide fear and imminent danger from this animal...and it is on YOUR property and has the potential (and you believe it is about to) attack you, then you can kill it.

I recommend you do what others recommend and video record this dogs behaviour and keep a written log of your interactions with your neighbors. When you do have to kill their dog, all that will be evidence that shows your actions were reasonable. Now, if it is some 15 pound dog, you will be crucified for being excessive.

As police officers, we kill dogs all the time. It is sad and horrible since it is not the animals fault, but you are NOT going to get bitten by a goddamn dog. I enter your backyard on business and your dog barks and approaches? Boom. Dead dog and an apology. Human life and prevention of attack takes precedence ESPECIALLY on your own property.

The best recourse is to just pepperspray or kick that fucker in the mouth when it comes to your side. Carry a stick and beat it back into its yard. Point is YOU have to be aggressive and attack it in some manner that it realizes you are not prey...you are the boss.

My neighbors dog broke thru our fence. It always barks and is the kind that will run up behind you and bit the back of your leg. that is a cowardly/aggressive dog. I found it in my yard and it raised its hackles and barked aggressively. I got a 4 foot stick and beat that dog all around my yard as it ran from me. by the time he was able to scramble through the hole in the fence, it's mouth was covered in white foam...from terror.

It will never come in my yard again and I do not have to worry about it biting my children. then I told the neighbor that I would kill their dog if it was in my back yard again to protect my family. And I will. And they know it. So does the dog. So...I wont have to.

You do have other options you can investigate. Perhaps there are city code violations or some animal control officer can shed light or help you too. Just be aware that all this will put in you a state of war with your neighbors. At some point, however, you have to say Fuck you. This is my house and your white trash fucked up lifestyle isnt going to ruin my quality of life. And deal with it.


The cop that said you cant pepperspray an aggressive dog in your own yard was full of shit. what he was really trying to do was keep the issue between your neighbor and you turning into a fist fight or worse. he doesnt want to come back out. That didnt solve your problem, and he was being lazy.

[Inspire]

You have shown this particular animal that you are afraid of it and you are prey. You are its bitch. You have to let it know you are the Alpha male and it needs to stay the fuck away from you.


This is what I was thinking at first. It knows you're afraid of it.

[Latrinsorm]

In the horse community, there is a popular saying that there is no such thing as a 'safe' or 'bombproof' horse.Is "bombproof horse" really an expression?

[Paradii]

Reading threads like this make me nervous about owning my first house. It's not as simple as having bad neighbors in an apartment building, because you can just wait for their lease to be up. Or yours. When you own the home, you just have to suck it up and try to get along as best you can.

Fortunately, all of my future neighborhood's backyards are fenced, according to the builder. Hopefully that helps, because I don't want to have another neighbor war.

Just think, you could wind up living next to a fucking lunatic like orbstar.

[Paradii]

Is "bombproof horse" really an expression?


If you type in bombproof into google, it autofills bombproof horse.

[BriarFox]

I think the expression refers to a horse that won't shy at anything, even a bomb going off, not a horse that's invulnerable to bombs -- but hey, you never know.

[DCSL]

My neighbors dog broke thru our fence. It always barks and is the kind that will run up behind you and bit the back of your leg. that is a cowardly/aggressive dog. I found it in my yard and it raised its hackles and barked aggressively. I got a 4 foot stick and beat that dog all around my yard as it ran from me. by the time he was able to scramble through the hole in the fence, it's mouth was covered in white foam...from terror.

It will never come in my yard again and I do not have to worry about it biting my children. then I told the neighbor that I would kill their dog if it was in my back yard again to protect my family. And I will. And they know it. So does the dog. So...I wont have to.



By the Matrix! I felt fortunate that there are a two cops living in my area, one on my block, but now I just pray that they're not utterly insane.

[Liagala]

Is there really no such thing as a bad dog? Ever? I'm not trying to start an argument I am genuinely curious. I always hear 'there are no bad dogs just bad owners' but that's the most I've ever heard of this argument. Can each and every single dog be trained to be 'good'? Not a single domesticated dog can be vicious for no reason that has been trained properly?

I'm not saying Buckwheets neighbors aren't bad owners because this definitely sounds like a case of bad owners.
I'm sure there are dogs with legitimate mental illness that makes them vicious no matter what, but those must be extremely rare. I know I've never heard of/encountered one. The vast majority of dogs may have an inclination one way or the other, but can be trained and brought around by owners who care enough to do things right.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

if it comes onto your property, you can and should pepper spray it. A few times of that and the dog will not come on again. It will still bark and growl at you...from a distance.

You have shown this particular animal that you are afraid of it and you are prey. You are its bitch. You have to let it know you are the Alpha male and it needs to stay the fuck away from you.

The laws preventing you from shooting a human on your property are no where near as restrictive when it comes to animals. If you have, and can demonstrate, a bona-fide fear and imminent danger from this animal...and it is on YOUR property and has the potential (and you believe it is about to) attack you, then you can kill it.

I recommend you do what others recommend and video record this dogs behaviour and keep a written log of your interactions with your neighbors. When you do have to kill their dog, all that will be evidence that shows your actions were reasonable. Now, if it is some 15 pound dog, you will be crucified for being excessive.

As police officers, we kill dogs all the time. It is sad and horrible since it is not the animals fault, but you are NOT going to get bitten by a goddamn dog. I enter your backyard on business and your dog barks and approaches? Boom. Dead dog and an apology. Human life and prevention of attack takes precedence ESPECIALLY on your own property.

The best recourse is to just pepperspray or kick that fucker in the mouth when it comes to your side. Carry a stick and beat it back into its yard. Point is YOU have to be aggressive and attack it in some manner that it realizes you are not prey...you are the boss.

My neighbors dog broke thru our fence. It always barks and is the kind that will run up behind you and bit the back of your leg. that is a cowardly/aggressive dog. I found it in my yard and it raised its hackles and barked aggressively. I got a 4 foot stick and beat that dog all around my yard as it ran from me. by the time he was able to scramble through the hole in the fence, it's mouth was covered in white foam...from terror.

It will never come in my yard again and I do not have to worry about it biting my children. then I told the neighbor that I would kill their dog if it was in my back yard again to protect my family. And I will. And they know it. So does the dog. So...I wont have to.

You do have other options you can investigate. Perhaps there are city code violations or some animal control officer can shed light or help you too. Just be aware that all this will put in you a state of war with your neighbors. At some point, however, you have to say Fuck you. This is my house and your white trash fucked up lifestyle isnt going to ruin my quality of life. And deal with it.


The cop that said you cant pepperspray an aggressive dog in your own yard was full of shit. what he was really trying to do was keep the issue between your neighbor and you turning into a fist fight or worse. he doesnt want to come back out. That didnt solve your problem, and he was being lazy.

It's reassuring to know a cop likes killing dogs that bark at them so they don't get bitten when they are there on business. It's reassuring to know a cop threatens his neighbors with killing their dog.

To serve and protect, right? What a fucking douche you must be.

[Inspire]

I don't advocate harming or killing ANY animal, but Orbstar wasn't out of line in any way.




By the Matrix! I felt fortunate that there are a two cops living in my area, one on my block, but now I just pray that they're not utterly insane.

I don't think Orbstar is insane in the slightest and he has every right to protect himself on his own property in whatever manner he sees fit.


I'm sure there are dogs with legitimate mental illness that makes them vicious no matter what, but those must be extremely rare. I know I've never heard of/encountered one. The vast majority of dogs may have an inclination one way or the other, but can be trained and brought around by owners who care enough to do things right.

I've worked with a woman who helps "last chance" dogs. 95% of them can be saved and 100% of them were made that way by humans.

[Showal]

I don't advocate harming or killing ANY animal, but Orbstar wasn't out of line in any way.

I don't think Orbstar is insane in the slightest and he has every right to protect himself on his own property in whatever manner he sees fit.


Yeah ... I don't think your approval of Orbstar's behavior will make anyone think it's any less insane.

Hopefully the officer didn't want the dog hurt or killed because they felt the situation should not be escalated to that point because it's fucking stupid, not because he's too lazy to respond later on to a fist fight.

I'm glad the police around me don't just kill dogs for the hell of it. I've seen them say, "I'd feel more comfortable if you put that dog in the house."

[Paradii]

Yeah ... I don't think your approval of Orbstar's behavior will make anyone think it's any less insane.

Hopefully the officer didn't want the dog hurt or killed because they felt the situation should not be escalated to that point because it's fucking stupid, not because he's too lazy to respond later on to a fist fight.

I'm glad the police around me don't just kill dogs for the hell of it. I've seen them say, "I'd feel more comfortable if you put that dog in the house."

I bet these cops around your house don't have an avatar of Rush though.

[Soulpieced]

Honestly getting a fence put in is probably the simplest alternative.

[Inspire]

Honestly getting a fence put in is probably the simplest alternative.

Why should he have to pay $1500-2500 because someone else won't control their animal?


Some asshole earlier today told me not to bring my dogs near him because his dog bites. His dog wasn't on a leash, mine were. People need to follow the laws and control their animals.

[leifastagsweed]

Serious question: Have you ever seen a dog in real life before?

I LOL'd at this so much. Thanks!


It's a common sense assessment of risk while factoring size, strength, aggression...

I do agree with your statement as well as....


I'm sure there are dogs with legitimate mental illness that makes them vicious no matter what, but those must be extremely rare. I know I've never heard of/encountered one. The vast majority of dogs may have an inclination one way or the other, but can be trained and brought around by owners who care enough to do things right.

This is what I meant by different levels of socialization. But the problem is not so rare as you might think. I encounter it quite often, in fact. I know someone who has a weiner dog that I wouldn't come within 10 feet of. Nasty little bugger. You'd not believe some of the dogs I have come across before working horse rescue. Vicious comes in all forms.


You're right. That was more of a response to her saying that people making fun of fear of a 15 pound dog is the same as people protesting breed specific laws.

I, however, understand that you had a bad experience with a dog and would understand if you're uncomfortable with any dog, even if it were 3 pounds and blind.

This! I was really just trying to say, stop calling the guy a pussy for a legitimate beef and a legitimate fear. At any rate, glad to have been a punching bag during this convo. :) Good luck, Buck!

OH! and...


Is "bombproof horse" really an expression?

It's really an expression, Briar's description is accurate, and unfortunately it really does not exist.

[4a6c1]

Also on this weeks series of THE ANGEL RACE: Canines In the News....

Pregnant "Pitbull activist" in San Francisco mauled by a her own family PITBULL. (soooprise!)

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/08/11/pacifica-woman-killed-in-apparent-dog-mauling-at-her-home/

[Lord Orbstar]

By the Matrix! I felt fortunate that there are a two cops living in my area, one on my block, but now I just pray that they're not utterly insane.

I didnt add that the dog killed my daughters pet rabbit before I could save it. The rabbit's death screams are what brought me outside. Little "tiger" now rests in peace in his grave in the backyard. and that dog stays the Hell away.

[Lord Orbstar]

I, or other officers, do not kill dogs for the hell of it or because we can. I was a K-9 officer for 3.5 year and Love dogs. I like dogs more than people.

But if you are going to be attacked, not just barked at, you have to shoot it.

Sorry if I gave you too much credit for intelligence. I thought I was clear in my points. I was not.

[waywardgs]

I didnt add that the dog killed my daughters pet rabbit before I could save it. The rabbit's death screams are what brought me outside. Little "tiger" now rests in peace in his grave in the backyard. and that dog stays the Hell away.

Shouldn't leave food lying around.

[Lord Orbstar]

ya, we let him out for a couple hours a day in our backyard. he was an indoor rabbit. it was really hard. My daughter wanted to and did dig the grave herself.

[diethx]

The nanny cam is the best idea. Set it up, let the thing film for a week (or however long they can continuously record) and delete the digital copy if nothing happens and set it up again. What you want to avoid is an angle that films your neighbors property. Only film your own.

This. Also I only read the first 50 posts so if you've taken some action already, hhaha oops.

Also, if it's really a 20 pound dog and it charges you, punch it in the face.

[Latrinsorm]

I, or other officers, do not kill dogs for the hell of it or because we can. I was a K-9 officer for 3.5 year and Love dogs. I like dogs more than people.

But if you are going to be attacked, not just barked at, you have to shoot it.

Sorry if I gave you too much credit for intelligence. I thought I was clear in my points. I was not.This sounds kind of ominous for people within gunshot of you.

[Lord Orbstar]

Nobody recommended samurai sword as an option.

I am dissapoint.

Katanas have a shitty base. use a falchion or handaxe

[pabstblueribbon]

I read the first page. Skipped to the end.

Punch the owners in the neck. Hard.

Also buy a tether made of something other than kite string. Maybe a chain. Hit the owners with it for good measure.

[Showal]

This sounds kind of ominous for people within gunshot of you.

For people in stick beating range too.

[Androidpk]

Invite Orbstar over for a few beers, problem solved.

[Showal]

Hide your dogs, hide your rabbits, cuz Orbstar's shooting everybody in here!

[Latrinsorm]

For people in stick beating range too.It's really unfair, but if you substitute racial slurs for "dog" in his first post it's... it's just exquisite.

[Showal]

It's really unfair, but if you substitute racial slurs for "dog" in his first post it's... it's just exquisite.

What was that n word doing with his rabbit???

[RichardCranium]

Choice one: right hook.

Choice two: left hook.

Choice three: Mike Tyson uppercut.

This can be applied to either the dog or its owners.

[Geijon Khyree]

You let out the Minnesota Nice Secret! We're all just passive aggressive then talk mad shit when you leave. :)

Shoutout to my fellow Minnesotants. I have good neighbors, our closest has a black lab, but we have a 4 foot wooden fence on his property then the rest is open. Our neighbors is great though so even without a fence I wouldn't foresee problems.

It seems like we have some solutions. Good luck.

-Jeramy

[Lord Orbstar]

It's really unfair, but if you substitute racial slurs for "dog" in his first post it's... it's just exquisite.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M8vei3L0L8


Thats how we roll.

[RichardCranium]

You let out the Minnesota Nice Secret! We're all just passive aggressive then talk mad shit when you leave. :)

Shoutout to my fellow Minnesotants. I have good neighbors, our closest has a black lab, but we have a 4 foot wooden fence on his property then the rest is open. Our neighbors is great though so even without a fence I wouldn't foresee problems.

It seems like we have some solutions. Good luck.

-Jeramy

Wasn't Maimara from Minnesota? I think she would disagree.

[Kyra231]

Get a trial size aerosol hair spray to keep with you. A good spray to the face with some white rain usually slows most dogs & isn't going to ruin your day like pepper spray if you panic and don't realize the wind is blowing toward you.

[Thickbeard]

Your neighbors are fucking hillbillies. Get some game cameras so you can get pictures of the thing on your property.

[Asha]

Poison it.

[Asha]

Better yet, poison them.

[Archigeek]

They're obviously letting the dog out because they get their jollies watching your terror. What else do you think they're doing if they have that little respect for you? Get the cameras, they're undoubtedly pissing in your yard when they come home drunk at 3am in the morning at the very least.

Probably cooking up meth too... that'll do wonders for home values in your neighborhood. Though on the other hand, if the house blows up: problem solved.

[Asha]

by the time he was able to scramble through the hole in the fence, it's mouth was covered in white foam...from terror.
:lol: