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Wezas
05-25-2004, 10:04 AM
So my hours have been 8:30 to 5:30 (with an hour lunch) for the past year. Most everyone else works 9-6, but for traffic reasons and the fact that I don't directly supervise anyone who works 9-6, my hours were modified.

Old boss leaves, enter new boss. Well, not really new boss, he was actually my old boss' boss.


From: Man, Boss
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 5:47 PM
To: Mysn, Wezas
Subject:

Where you be, Wezas?

Sent, after I had left work, I check my mail that night from home and read it. I figure he's commenting on the fact that I didn't get into work until 9am (running late) but still left at 5:30. I mentioned to him that I did not take a lunch because I had an appointment that evening at 6:30 and had to be home to make it. I tell him it won't happen again.

Yesterday:

I get in at 8:30, take a lunch, and leave at 5:40. I get home, whaddya know, another E-mail.


-----Original Message-----
From: Man, Boss
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 5:54 PM
To: Mysn, Wezas
Subject: RE:

Wezas,
I thought you were going to let me know if you had to leave early.


So, this time I'm a bit pissed, but I calm myself and respond.


From: Mysn, Wezas
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 10:00 PM
To: Man, Boss
Subject: RE:

I was in by 8:30, I figured it would be alright to leave at 5:40.

And, this morning I get this:


From: Man, Boss
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 9:04 AM
To: Mysn, Wezas
Subject: RE:

<< Message Attachment: *Reminder* >>
Wezas,
As a senior member of the staff, it is important that you set a positive example. In this case, by not running out before everyone else. Believe it or not, people here look up to you and expect more from you as a lead (myself being one of them). Let me know if you want to discuss it further.
Thanks,
Boss

The attachment being an E-mail he sent out over a month ago saying "Please keep in mind our office hours are 9am - 6pm with an hour lunch. Some individuals have modified working schedules based on business need and supervisor approval."

He, evidently did not know about my hours, and people must have been mentioning (complaining) that I was leaving at 5:30/5:45 on most days. Shame they aren't here at 8:30 to see me arrive.

So I send him an E-mail letting him know that I and a co-worker of mine have different hours, and that we assumed the staff (and he) had known about our hours.

The result is him asking if we can change our hours to 9-6 for staff morale reasons.

Now he's giving me traffic tips.

I want my old boss back.

Atlanteax
05-25-2004, 10:23 AM
I despise Bosses like him who only care about the hours you put in, even if it means you're doing nothing, as opposed to the work you put in.

Someone should tell him that it's not the 70/80s anymore where the world's workday starts at 9 and ends at 6 with time sheets.

It's a brand new (flexible hours) world now, and old-timers like him need to adapt or retire.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
05-25-2004, 10:35 AM
I'm of a different set of thoughts, that while flexible hours maybe be the hot new thing, I'd rather my team was here when I am. Does 30 minutes really make that big a difference? Probably not, to you or to your boss -- but maybe he has an issue with another person claiming the early in/early out and he has no way to validate it, so he's setting company policy?

Maybe he wants to debrief the day with you from 5:30-6:00 or maybe he's just a clock watching cocksucker.

Hard to say :(

Wezas
05-25-2004, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by Atlanteax
I despise Bosses like him who only care about the hours you put in, even if it means you're doing nothing, as opposed to the work you put in.

Someone should tell him that it's not the 70/80s anymore where the world's workday starts at 9 and ends at 6 with time sheets.

It's a brand new (flexible hours) world now, and old-timers like him need to adapt or retire.

Agreed. I guess he doesn't take in to consideration the fact that I'm checking my company E-mail at night when I get home, not to mention the work I do from home that I don't/can't put on my timesheet.

He makes me want to slack off at work.

05-25-2004, 10:37 AM
and play GS wezas?

Wezas
05-25-2004, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
Does 30 minutes really make that big a difference?

Traffic wise in DC? Yes.


Maybe he wants to debrief the day with you from 5:30-6:00 or maybe he's just a clock watching cocksucker.

I'd vote for the latter. He doesn't like to talk to people. He's a former programmer. The two of us have a weekly meeting where I have to take the lead. I talk about my projects, I ask him what's going on with the company, and then it's just awkward. He's not a people person.

A main reason my former boss left is because my new boss (which was her boss) couldn't manage his way out of a paper bag (her quote). She felt she could learn nothing from him.

Wezas
05-25-2004, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by The Edine
and play GS wezas?

Because of the firewall, that would involve connecting to my VPN at home. I haven't done it in quite a while though, as my work E-mail won't update while I'm connected to home.

But definately a possibility.

05-25-2004, 10:43 AM
that or other games :)

Parkbandit
05-25-2004, 10:47 AM
My favorite line of his:

"Believe it or not, people here look up to you and expect more from you as a lead"

He sounds like a douche bag, but I would certainly take him up on his offer to discuss the situation further.

Is it really that important for you to leave 30 minutes earlier than anyone else?

Wezas
05-25-2004, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by ParkbanditHe sounds like a douche bag, but I would certainly take him up on his offer to discuss the situation further.

I am tempted to, but sitting in a meeting with him is like having my fingernails pulled out.


Is it really that important for you to leave 30 minutes earlier than anyone else?

I'm not sure which side you're coming from on this one. If you mean is it important for me, then yes. I'm going to put in my 40 hours, unless there's a project that needs extra time. If you mean why does it matter to other people, your guess is as good as mine. Maybe they think I'm getting away with something. I'd like to see them deal with the boss while at the same time trying to translate what a russian systems manager is trying to explain to a chinese programmer and a Thai tester.

Parkbandit
05-25-2004, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by Wezas

Is it really that important for you to leave 30 minutes earlier than anyone else?

I'm not sure which side you're coming from on this one. If you mean is it important for me, then yes. I'm going to put in my 40 hours, unless there's a project that needs extra time. If you mean why does it matter to other people, your guess is as good as mine. Maybe they think I'm getting away with something. I'd like to see them deal with the boss while at the same time trying to translate what a russian systems manager is trying to explain to a chinese programmer and a Thai tester.

I meant was it important to YOU to come in 1/2 hour early to leave 1/2 hour early. If it is.. then I would discuss it with your boss and your direct reports. Be honest with them.

If it's not really that important.. then come in at 9:00 like everyone else and the 'problem' will solve itself.

Wezas
05-25-2004, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by Parkbandit
I meant was it important to YOU to come in 1/2 hour early to leave 1/2 hour early. If it is.. then I would discuss it with your boss and your direct reports. Be honest with them.


I'm going to try the 9-6 for the rest of this week. If it's horrible, then I'll talk with him about it.

Anebriated
05-25-2004, 02:05 PM
I think its good that you are at least trying to meet your new boss's wants. Part of a new Boss coming in is changing to meet their demands and moving away from the old routine. I know that I just got a new boss as well recently and he has been a complete ass to everyone. Many more people are dissatisfied than used to be. I just went in and talked to him straight up about why i didnt like the way he was changing things and because of that I got my hours back to the way I had them before he came. Meanwhile everyone else who are too scared to go confront him continue to bitch and moan about how he is unfair.

Iriscience
05-25-2004, 02:23 PM
stick it to the man elrodin

Xinister
05-25-2004, 03:36 PM
My hours 8 AM to 4:30 PM with an hour lunch.

Done.:saint:

Wezas
05-25-2004, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by Xinister
My hours 8 AM to 4:30 PM with an hour lunch.

Done.:saint:

Congrats, you get hazard pay if you're put on grill duty?

:P

CrystalTears
05-25-2004, 05:34 PM
This week I'm working 10-7:30. Last week I worked 12-9. Next week I work 8-5. After that I work 9-6. :spin:

My schedule couldn't get anymore diverse. I can't stand it!

TheEschaton
05-25-2004, 05:53 PM
Sometimes I worked 6 am to 6 pm. And sometimes (because of aforementioned days), I'd work 9-12.

I loved it. I liked my clients, but the short days made it seem like I was playing hooky, which made it all the more fun.


-TheE-

Blazing247
05-25-2004, 06:16 PM
Dude, you totally need to pull one out of the Office Space handbook.

Your boss: "Looks like you've been missing a lot of work, lately."

You: "I wouldn't say I've been missing it, Bob."



:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Ilvane
05-25-2004, 07:32 PM
My boss has me coaching new employees in the call center. I'm supposed to be taking 50 calls a day, but last month and the month before they were 49.6 and 49.8. My boss takes me into a meeting yesterday and tells me that my quality is 95% on the phones but if I'm under 50 again next month, it's going to mean a write up..:lol: So much for customer service being priority, huh? It just kills me, because I really work hard on things.

Yesterday a bunch of the supervisors were not available, and I was still there. One of the new reps came over to me with a question and I logged myself out to help him out, so my numbers wouldn't be effected. I even checked with the floor manager when I did, and he said it was fine. So I help him out for about 20 minutes. One of the other supervisors(on the other side of the floor) comes over and checks that we are alright and then Thanks me for helping out. So, about 5 minutes later, another supervisor comes over, and she says, he's out at 5, he needs to go home, and walks away(bitch!). So I said okay, even though I was in the middle of an explaination of the issue, and I thought it was unneccesary to be rude about it.

So this morning my supervisor asks me why I was logged out for 24 minutes and I e-mail her back to explain. I'm told I should have stayed logged in(which would have screwed both mine and the teams numbers), and that she was glad I had helped him..So then today all day..it was as soon as they asked me a question, she would run over and help them..:lol:

The thing that gets me is that I always go out of my way to help out my other teammates and it really feels as if it's not worth it. I love coaching, and my numbers have gone down because of it, but I still think that it's worth the time to help out new people in our center. I was passed over for a promotion last year because I had missed 8 total days when my dad was dying in the hospital. I couldn't take medical leave, because I was helping my mom support the house, and FMLA didn't apply because I was still in my first year of employment with the company. Instead of the promotion that I was promised, they wrote me up for too many occurances, and it has been a problem ever since with bringing me up to a higher level. I do all the work of a higher level person, without the pay. My supervisor just keeps telling me to be patient, but it's not very nice anymore.

So I understand your pain, Wezas..I put in 830-530 every day, and usually work through my lunch.:grin:

What I need to do is go back to Harvard..at least there I felt like I was part of the community there, and I really loved being an assistant to the professors.

-A

Blazing247
05-25-2004, 07:54 PM
Interesting. Why do you people work so damn hard? It is one thing to be on time every day, get your shit done, and be courteous to your boss and coworkers. It is another thing entirely to work through lunches, do others jobs for them, and take shit from your boss(es). If you have the kind of job where you can't take a lunch, speak freely to your boss, or find yourself devoting all of your time to assisting your coworkers instead of getting your own shit done, you need to find a new job.

As my old boss told me, "Work smart, not hard." I'm not trying to belittle your job Ilvane, but you seriously need to begin the search for new employment. NOTHING is worse than a micromanaged workplace.

Soulpieced
05-25-2004, 09:13 PM
As my old boss told me, "Work smart, not hard."

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I'll definitely keep that in mind when I join the workforce.