This ain't good...

[The Eternal Klaive]

Well, it seems I'm going to have to hasten my "vacation" to Canada.

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Pending Draft Legislation Targeted for Spring 2005
The Draft will Start in June 2005

There is pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills: S 89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin at early as Spring 2005 -- just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately.

$28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective Service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see website: www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the sss annual performance plan - fiscal year 2004.

The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.

Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and HR 163 forward this year, http://www.hslda.org/legislation/na...s89/default.asp entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services.

Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era.

College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.

Even those voters who currently support US actions abroad may still object to this move, knowing their own children or grandchildren will not have a say about whether to fight. Not that it should make a difference, but this plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a
shelter and includes women in the draft.

The public has a right to air their opinions about such an important decision.

Please send this on to all the friends, parents, aunts and uncles, grandparents, and cousins that you know. Let your children know too -- it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change!

Please also contact your representatives to ask them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills -- and contact newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story.

Source: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/?alertid=5834001&content_dir=ua_congressorg

Way to be a pussy.

I think I'll go write my congressman in favor of these legislations.

[Drew2]

It won't pass.

[The Korean]

I'm for it. Only thing I'm wondering is if they're trying to downsize the military now, why the hell are they putting in a draft?

[Nakiro]

Interesting.

[Tendarian]

I think it would be political suicide for Bush or anyone in congress to vote for it, so i doubt it gets passed if its true.

[Edaarin]

Pick any one of the male cicadas I killed driving to work today, and I guarantee it has bigger balls than Klaive.

[Tendarian]

Also this was on the page at the top of the article: Soapbox Alert


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Only $3.95 for 30 days!

Even an anonymous dirty hippie can afford $3.95 a month and list some obscure bill that will never get passed to make Bush look bad.

[The Eternal Klaive]

I can't vouch for the validity of the site, a friend sent it to me.

All I know is, I'm psychologically unfit to go to war, and if I'm drafted and show up, that's the card I'll play and it'll probably get me locked up in an institute. I'd rather not spend the rest of my life in a padded cell.

So yeah, Canada's looking awesome right now.

[Jack]

You won't have to play the psycho card Klaive, the Military has height and weight standards......

[The Korean]

College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country.

don't think you can.

[The Eternal Klaive]

That's why you flee through the woods! Mwahaha.

I could only pray that somebody like you came to my unit. I'd be responsible for my second suicide.

[Tendarian]

The site seems good to me,its the page. It seems to the editorial page or something.


All I know is, I'm psychologically unfit to go to war, and if I'm drafted and show up, that's the card I'll play and it'll probably get me locked up in an institute. I'd rather not spend the rest of my life in a padded cell.


I dont think this makes Klaive a pussy at all. I dont hunt because it just isnt in me to kill an animal. I doubt i could kill a person unless i knew they were comitting true evil and not just some scrub who got dragged into the Iraqi (or whatever)army by no choice of his own. If this makes me a pussy too so be it.

[The Korean]

Originally posted by RangerD1
I could only pray that somebody like you came to my unit. I'd be responsible for my second suicide.

this would be the only time I'd allow you on suicide watch.

Being a pussy doesn't mean you are psychologically unfit for military service.

[The Eternal Klaive]

Originally posted by RangerD1
Being a pussy doesn't mean you are psychologically unfit for military service.

I couldn't be trusted with a gun. I would shoot everyone I could... Americans, of course. Why? Cause going to war, I'd figure I was gonna die anyway... might as well take my fellow soldiers out with me.

Honestly, I have no desire to go to war. I am not a patriot, I don't support any military anywhere and I refuse to be forced to fight for America. It's going to be messy if I am forced into the service... so it's best for all involved if I simply go to Canada or Japan (if I find a way to afford it.)

[Tendarian]

I'd be responsible for my second suicide.


That actually scares me a little.

[The Eternal Klaive]

As things stand, Military service is optional. That filters out anti-American psychos like me. Good system.

Should America resort to making Military Service compulsory, they'll soon realize their error... modern America is crawling with Government-Hating basket cases. It's not like the old days.

Draft = Bad Idea of Everyone.

[Drew2]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/public/img-1085466076.gif <--- This guy would kick Iraq's ass.

[Summertime]

There is nothing wrong with you mentally a good blanket party wouldnt cure Private Baby Huey

Don't Fall DOWN Private Pyle!!! That would break my fucking HEART!!! Get the FUCK DOWN off my OBSTACLE!!!

Your just a lazy, fat, whiney bitch who does nothing but cry about how your a victim and everyone else is responsible and it's never your fault.

I think every able bodied male should have to serve at LEAST 2 years in a branch of service.. and Im not talking about some bullshit National Guard. Save that pathetic shit for the panzies who wash out of the legitimate Sevices.


Originally posted by The Eternal Klaive
I can't vouch for the validity of the site, a friend sent it to me.

All I know is, I'm psychologically unfit to go to war, and if I'm drafted and show up, that's the card I'll play and it'll probably get me locked up in an institute. I'd rather not spend the rest of my life in a padded cell.

So yeah, Canada's looking awesome right now.

Yea, I'm real scared. I've never seen anyone claim "They'd shoot everyone" because they couldn't handle it.

Like i said..one can only hope.

[Satira]

This won't ever pass. It would be throw in the faces of the politician's involved for years and years.

[Scott]

You're probably right, your fatass couldn't hide behind anything so you would die. Even a blind man is bound to hit one of your rolls.

[Kadumi]

Originally posted by SummertimeI think every able bodied male should have to serve at LEAST 2 years in a branch of service

or we could move to china. that's similar to what they do there. sound good, yes?

[Summertime]

It just bothers me how so many people take so many of the freedoms they have for granted. THings most other countries dont have.

People cry about how "you cant do that.. I have the right to (insert concept here), and yet so few actually are willing to serve the very country that protects and provides those rights.

It's like demanding money from your job without having done the work.. you need to be willing to give something back if you want to reap the benefits.

It's not totalitarian, it's not facist... its the ultimate in patriotism...and I bet it would grant young people a level of wisdom in their future interactions and decisions they wouldnt otherwise have.

[Jonty]

Heh, I'd gladly re-enlist... but they won't let me.

[The Eternal Klaive]

I was born in America, I didn't ask to be born here. I didn't apply for citizenship. I wasn't given a choice. The "freedoms" that this Democracy of Hypocrisy offers are given to citizens freely... since I'm here, I accept them.

I was given a choice. So I'm making it.

I don't want to contribute anything to America. Ever. That's my choice.

[Kadumi]

you call democracy a hypocracy but if you lived in pretty much any other country you'd be worse off.

[The Eternal Klaive]

Originally posted by Kadumi
you call democracy a hypocracy but if you lived in pretty much any other country you'd be worse off.

But I *don't* live in another country.

I don't think people are getting it.

If I had been born somewhere else, I would probably be whatever I was forced to be.

I was born in America. I was given a choice. My choice is to be anti-American and never contribute a damn thing to this nation.

Had I not been given a choice, then I'd STFU and do what I had been conditioned to do.

[Summertime]

Darien.. you SERIUSLY need to shut the FUCK UP!
It never ceases to amaze me how a person can hoist up the stupidity and failures of MEN in an effort to avoid the simple IDEAL that our country is SUPPOSED to represent.

YES there are absolute fuckheads in EVERY walk of life (even website creaters.. imagine that)

If your LUCKY.. you will find ONE decent honest, proud, and generous human being for every dozen toads and useless bags of shit. Thats just it.. I will GLADLY serve if they call me again... NOT for those dozen useless bags of shit.. but for that ONE who makes it all worth while.

THEY are the reason I was willing to give more then 10 years of my life.. THEY are the reason I made my sacrafices.. THEY are the reason I dont rage for the loss o so many of my friends... and its little fat bags of shit like you that make me sick. You have no concept of just HOW important it is for that ONE person to exist... and how important it is for someone to make the sacrifice FOR that one person.

People like that one are everywhere as well.. in every walk of life.. and they deserve to be protected... if only in the name of an Ideal that our own government has abanoned.. and littel shits like you like to piss on .. in the very name of a freedom you use to make fun of..

Fuck you Darien... fuck you for everyone out there who deserves and beleives that ideal


Originally posted by The Eternal Klaive
I was born in America, I didn't ask to be born here. I didn't apply for citizenship. I wasn't given a choice. The "freedoms" that this Democracy of Hypocrisy offers are given to citizens freely... since I'm here, I accept them.

I was given a choice. So I'm making it.

I don't want to contribute anything to America. Ever. That's my choice.

[The Eternal Klaive]

I'm genocidal. I think all humans should die. ::shrugs:: Your one person means nothing to me. Not that it matters. A debate with you or anyone else on this forum is utterly futile. No one is going to change their viewpoint on such a passionate subject.

[Drew2]

If you think all humans should die, start with yourself. I promise we'll follow suit.

[The Eternal Klaive]

Originally posted by Tayre
If you think all humans should die, start with yourself. I promise we'll follow suit.

Congratulations, Tayre. You're the 1,000th person to say that to me. Rejoice.

[Summertime]

Genocidal...? Hardley.. your a guttless fat little bag of shit.. you wouldnt have the courage to slap me if I stood in front of you.. and put my hands behind my back and promised not to hit back.. you lack the simple courage to tell the truth even when the facts are out in the open for everyone to see. You lie not just compulsively, but on some level desperately, saying and doing anything you can in an effort to get people to consider your existance worth accepting.

The fact is... you lack the simple courage to live life in ANY fasion that isnt on your terms, because you lack anything of value
that would make you viable in any other way. Your less then useless Darien...

Your insignificant. You serve no true purpose, other then to take up space... how does it feel, knowing that, in 10 years.. nothing will have changed, because you lacked the simple courage to initiate that change? And you will STILL have no-one else to blame but yourself.

Originally posted by The Eternal Klaive
I'm genocidal. I think all humans should die. ::shrugs:: Your one person means nothing to me. Not that it matters. A debate with you or anyone else on this forum is utterly futile. No one is going to change their viewpoint on such a passionate subject.

[Edited on 5-25-2004 by Summertime]

[Drew2]

Originally posted by The Eternal Klaive
Congratulations, Tayre. You're the 1,000th person to say that to me. Rejoice.

Well then obviously it's a good idea.

[Jonty]

Originally posted by Summertime
Your insignificant. You serve no true purpose, other then to take up space... how does it feel, knowing that, in 10 years.. nothing will have changed, because you lacked the simple courage to initiate that change? And you will STILL have no-one else to blame but yourself.


Heh, though significant enough for you to continue posting.... :lol:

[Kadumi]

yeah jonty, YOU'RE not kiddin

[The Eternal Klaive]

Wow... I have never in my life seen so many random, ignorant assumptions lumped together in a single post. Bravo, Summertime.

That said, my beliefs are my own and don't require your approval or validation to exist.

Further, you can say what you like about me not having the courage to kick your ass, but you'll never know, because I assure you, the situation would never arise.

I don't claim that I'd enter into a physical altercation with you. Since I've become a Buddhist (yes, I'm also still a Satanist, don't ask, it's complicated) I've taken a rather negative stance on pointless physical violence. I'll only enter into a physical conflict with someone if they have first struck me or done something truly intolerable.

Mostly, my desire isn't to hurt anyone... but rather to end their lives painlessly. Everyone's. Not just a few people. Every. Last. Human.

Because to live as a human is to live as an impure being... it is to suffer. It is an existence that, on the cosmic scale, is truly miserable.

I simply wish to liberate everyone's spirit... but until the proper time has come, such an opportunity will not present itself, so I doubt I'll be contributiing to the fulfillment of that dream in my life time.

[Edited on 5-25-2004 by The Eternal Klaive]

[LilHellcat]

Originally posted by The Eternal Klaive
Wow... I have never in my life seen so many random, ignorant assumptions lumped together in a single post. Bravo, Summertime.

That said, my beliefs are my own and don't require your approval or validation to exist.

Further, you can say what you like about me not having the courage to kick your ass, but you'll never know, because I assure you, the situation would never arise.

I don't claim that I'd enter into a physical altercation with you. Since I've become a Buddhist (yes, I'm also still a Satanist, don't ask, it's complicated) I've taken a rather negative stance on pointless physical violence. I'll only enter into a physical conflict with someone if they have first struck me or done something truly intolerable.

Mostly, my desire isn't to hurt anyone... but rather to end their lives painlessly. Everyone's. Not just a few people. Every. Last. Human.

Because to live as a human is to live as an impure being... it is to suffer. It is an existence that, on the cosmic scale, is truly miserable.

I simply wish to liberate everyone's spirit... but until the proper time has come, such an opportunity will not present itself, so I doubt I'll be contributiing to the fulfillment of that dream in my life time.

[Edited on 5-25-2004 by The Eternal Klaive]


This makes me want to snort laugh because you contradict yourself in one breath you wish death on others and then in claim you are a buddhist and don't wish violence on someone. But it was only a few months ago you made death threats to three different girls. :lol:

[The Eternal Klaive]

I'm an Aquarian. I am a living contradiction in most people's eyes... but I am actually very consistent in what I mean.

Made perfect sense to me. If it seems like a contraction to you, that's really too bad. I don't feel the need to further explain it until someone says something that warrents a better explaination.

[LilHellcat]

Originally posted by The Eternal Klaive
I'm an Aquarian. I am a living contradiction in most people's eyes... but I am actually very consistent in what I mean.

Made perfect sense to me. If it seems like a contraction to you, that's really too bad. I don't feel the need to further explain it until someone says something that warrents a better explaination.

Very consistent if you mean you are contradiction and a liar, or you are whatever you feel like being at the moment to fit your means or to try and make yourself look perfectly right in the situation at the moment. Then okay by all means you are right. :socool:

[The Eternal Klaive]

Yes, it's true. I always see myself as right.

If I ever thought I was wrong, I would immediately change, because being wrong sucks. I fail to see how that makes me a liar or inconsistent.

[Nakiro]

:offtopic:

[LilHellcat]

Originally posted by The Eternal Klaive
Yes, it's true. I always see myself as right.

If I ever thought I was wrong, I would immediately change, because being wrong sucks. I fail to see how that makes me a liar or inconsistent.

For one your not being true to yourself to change to fit every situation. Try being the real you and not change to fit whatever situation you are in. You are not immortal as you seem to think you are not eternal you are very much human in all ways. Deal with it live with it. We all make mistakes. Instead of trying to be something your not just be yourself.

It makes you a liar in the fact one minute you say you are this and the next moment its this just to make YOURSELF look right. When all in fact it does is make yourself look like an insecure gibbering idiot who tries to be someone he is not.

You say you don't want to be part of society. Yet you change yourself to fit every situation that arises. That would be forcing yourself to fit into society to what ever makes you right at the time on the subject that you choose to dabble in. Be true to yourself and stop trying to make yourself out to be what you aren't.

Then sit back have your favorite drink and relax. You'd be surprised how alot more people would see you differently.


Edited to add, this probably didn't come out like I had it in my head blame it on the medicine and the fact its 3 am and I'm trying to post while under the influence of cold medicine. Just a warning in advance. :lol:

[Edited on 5-25-2004 by LilHellcat]

[Chyrain]

I wish Simu found you psychologically unfit to play this stupid game.

[The Eternal Klaive]

This is who I am. I change nothing for your benefit or anyone elses'. When I speak on a subject, I am either a) certain that I am correct, b) certain that I cannot be proven wrong, or c) unsure of what I'm saying and completely ready to change my viewpoint should proof to the contrary be offered.

I pride myself on being enlightened. If I stuck to my guns when I knew I was wrong, I'd just be a stubborn idiot like so many other people.

I am what I am... and that is not for you to say. You don't know me. I don't know you. To make a statement regarding the character of a person who you do not truly know, is nothing but folly.

I see myself as justified. You see me as a liar.

We are both entitled to our opinions.

[The Eternal Klaive]

Originally posted by Chyrain
I wish Simu found you psychologically unfit to play this stupid game.

I rarely play and when I do, I guarantee I never interact with you or your characters.

[Satira]

Someone saying they're a Buddhist and a Satanist is the most retarded thing I've ever heard.

A Buddhist's goal is to be completely selfless and free themself from the suffering that is life, and a Satanist's whole goal is to be completely self-fulfilling. Unless you're one of those people who have decided to follow some bizarre self-made branches of Satanism that really shouldn't be called Satanism in the first place, this makes no sense.

This is obnoxious and I can't believe no one pointed this out.

Also, I've never seen anyone label themselves so much in such a short period of time.

[Apathy]

Smoke crack.

[Jonty]

Originally posted by Apathy
Smoke crack.

Wow.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by The Eternal Klaive
I can't vouch for the validity of the site, a friend sent it to me.

All I know is, I'm psychologically unfit to go to war,

What about being 300 pounds overweight too?

[Souzy]

Originally posted by The Eternal Klaive

That said, my beliefs are my own and don't require your approval or validation to exist.

Further, you can say what you like about me not having the courage to kick your ass, but you'll never know, because I assure you, the situation would never arise.

I don't claim that I'd enter into a physical altercation with you. Since I've become a Buddhist (yes, I'm also still a Satanist, don't ask, it's complicated) I've taken a rather negative stance on pointless physical violence. I'll only enter into a physical conflict with someone if they have first struck me or done something truly intolerable.

Mostly, my desire isn't to hurt anyone... but rather to end their lives painlessly. Everyone's. Not just a few people. Every. Last. Human.

Because to live as a human is to live as an impure being... it is to suffer. It is an existence that, on the cosmic scale, is truly miserable.

I simply wish to liberate everyone's spirit... but until the proper time has come, such an opportunity will not present itself, so I doubt I'll be contributiing to the fulfillment of that dream in my life time.


Buddhism is like the path to enlightment. Read the story about Siddartha. There should be no wishing of death/hurting others in this religion. :nono:

[The Eternal Klaive]

Religion is a personal thing. To me, death is liberation. It harms no one.

[Summertime]

Once again proving just how totally full of shit you truely are :lol:


Originally posted by The Eternal Klaive
Religion is a personal thing. To me, death is liberation. It harms no one.

[The Eternal Klaive]

Originally posted by Summertime
Once again proving just how totally full of shit you truely are :lol:


If you don't believe that religion is a personal thing that should be sought out by each individual... I have nothing more to say to you.

[Summertime]

Actually, I had been refering to your "Death is Liberation to me..." nonsense.. Budists believe in life.. and eternal life thru ultimate wisdom and enlightenment...

Care to change your bullshit story Sir? Or do you intend to further postpone your inevitable retreat into pure pointless stupidity with something witty and charming?

Oh.. heh [slaps forehead] I forgot.. look who im talking to.. never mind :no:


Originally posted by The Eternal Klaive

Originally posted by Summertime
Once again proving just how totally full of shit you truely are :lol:


If you don't believe that religion is a personal thing that should be sought out by each individual... I have nothing more to say to you.

[The Eternal Klaive]

Buddhists believe many things. Most of what they believe, I also believe... but I don't believe everything that traditional buddhists believe, as I stated before.

[Summertime]

I must be Budhist then.. cause I ALSO believe many things!! Such as your being full of shit!! :lol:


Originally posted by The Eternal Klaive
Buddhists believe many things. Most of what they believe, I also believe... but I don't believe everything that traditional buddhists believe, as I stated before.

[The Eternal Klaive]

You're hopeless, I'm going to bed.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by The Eternal Klaive
::Hate America::blah blah::Kill everyone::blah blah:: Satanist::blah blah::Ninja Master!

http://www.bestofhumor.com/funnies2/attentionwhore.jpg

[Summertime]

Oh geeze Wezas.. I almost choked to death on my water bottle reading your post.. I think disclaimers are in order with things like that. Oh.. and if D has an ass like that I might defend him too!! :lol:

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/wars/a/draft.htm

What are the Chances of a Military Draft in the U.S.?

It seems that ever since the first Gulf War (1990), every other year or so, some nitwit in the House and/or Senate introduce a bill to re-instate the draft. The latest such idiocy came in the form of Senate Bill 89, introduced by Senator Ernest F. Hollings (D-SC), and House Resolution 163, introduced by Representative Charles B. Rangel (D-NY). Both bills would require two years of military service (or community service for those who are medically unqualified) for every male and female in the United States, between the ages of 18 and 26 (more about the impossibility of this later).
Don't worry folks. Both bills were introduced in January 2003, and members of the House and Senate quickly referred them to committee, where they remain today (and will stay until they die a painless death).

However, I fully expect some other Congressmen and Senators will use the issue of the draft to get themselves on the Sunday morning talk shows before this legislative year is over. When that happens, traditionally, my email box becomes full of letters from concerned 18-year olds and parents, wondering whether they (or their kids) are going to be forced to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Is a draft likely? What exactly is "the draft?" Who is likely to be drafted? What happens during a draft?


Will a draft happen?
Almost certainly not, unless the United States gets involved in a major, major conflict (on the scale of World War II). Probably not even then, for several reasons.

Military Size and Needs. By law, each year Congress sets the maximum size of the active duty and reserve forces. They do this by passing the Military Authorization Act and Military Appropriations Act. Each year, Congress has the option to increase the authorized size of the military -- and they have chosen not to do so (exception -- last year -- in 2003 -- Congress authorized the Army to TEMPORARILY increase in size by 20,000 -- a drop in the bucket. This temporary increase in size is to help the Army through a planned reorganization, not because Congress wants to have a larger Army).

In order to meet the Congressionally-mandated size, the military needs to sign up a certain number of new recruits each year, and re-enlist a certain percentage of recruits already in. For the past several years, the services have been doing extremely well in both of these endeavors. Last year, the services turned away more recruits than they enlisted. Re-enlistments are at an all-time high. In fact, the Air Force found themselves in the embarrassing position of having too many troops this year (2004), and are actively encouraging several thousands to apply for early discharge. Recruiting is doing so well this year (2004), that new recruits, who are accepted, often have to wait six or seven months in the Delayed Enlistment Program (DEP) in order for a "slot" to open up for them. For more info, see All Volunteer Force, Proven.

The state of our economy is only one reason for high recruiting/retention rates. Much more significant, in my opinion, is the way the media has portrayed our troops for the past fourteen or so years (since the first Gulf War). Unlike the Vietnam era, and years immediately following, where the media showcased our military troops in a negative fashion, today our Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines are portrayed as dedicated heroes (as well they should be). This has a noticeable effect on how our Nation's youth view military service. They turn on the news, or watch a movie (Saving Private Ryan, G.I. Jane, Top Gun, Blackhawk Down, etc., ad infinitum), and they see excitement and adventure. All the recruiting commercials in the World, and all the pay raises of the past ten years have had less of a positive effect on military recruiting, than has this shift in the way our troops have been percieved by the general public in recent years.

Is our military too small? Certainly. Our active duty and reserve forces are being required to deploy (leave home) far more often than what is conducive to good morale (but, one certainly doesn't see this in the re-enlistment rates, which remain at an all-time high). Our military isn't too small because of a lack of volunteers -- it's too small because our elected officials do not wish to spend the money on a larger military force. However, with the current enlistment and re-enlistment rates, Congress could triple the size of our military, and a draft would still not be necessary. Remember, we're turning them away in droves -- things that wouldn't cause an "eye-blink" in the past, today require waivers to qualify, and -- as long as recruiting is going well, waiver approval is getting harder and harder to get. Just by approving more waivers, DOD could still fill the ranks with sufficient volunteers, even if Congress tripled the size of the military.
In order for a draft to even be necessary, Congress would have to increase the size of our military by SEVERAL MILLION (which literally means several BILLIONS of dollars per year in personnel costs). That ain't likely to happen.

Training. For more than a quarter of a century, the United States Military has been an "all volunteer" service. During that time, the military has dramatically (and successfully!) changed the way it trains and the way it fights. In order to implement a draft, we would have to change the entire way the military trains and operates today. This would (in my opinion, and the opinion of senior military leaders) result in a much less effective military.

A draft is a good way to fight wars of 50 years ago. It is a lousy way to fight wars today. Today's military members are highly trained professionals. The days of giving a couple month's of training on firing a rifle and tossing a grenade, then sending men off to combat are long, long gone. In today's military, even the basic infantry is "high tech." You don't train someone to operate and maintain highly sophisticated military equipment overnight. It takes a minimum of 18 months to 2 years to turn out a trained Soldier, Airman, Sailor, or Marine. It takes even longer than that for many military specialties.

In short, if we instituted a draft today, inductees would not be effective until about two years from now (at which time, their two year service commitment would be over).

Qualifications/Disqualifications. A significant problem with a draft is that Congress would have to repeal the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" legislation which allows homosexuals to serve in the armed forces, as long as they keep their sexual preferences secret. Under current rules, "open" homosexuals are not allowed to serve. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that anyone (especially today's "youth") who do not wish to serve would have no problems with claiming homosexuality in order to escape military service. (Note: Many people feel that "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" should be repealed anyway, but that's another topic).

For more than 20 years, each of the military services have come to rely upon the Armed Forces Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB) testing program to determine whether or not one has the aptitude to learn military jobs. If a draft were re-instituted, it would be far too easy for individuals who did not wish to serve to intentionally score low on this exam. The military would have no way of knowing which skills these individuals would be capable of learning. As I said, even today's infantry is "high tech," and we have to have the ability to determine whether or not one even has the mental capability of succeeding before we waste thousands of taxpayers dollars to pay for the training.

In order to maintain a highly-trained, professional force, the military has tightened up enlistment standards during the past 30 years. No longer are judges allowed to tell someone, "Join the military or go to jail" (the military is not allowed to accept such applicants). Those with criminal offenses, even as juveniles, require a hard-to-get waiver. Those with a history of drug abuse (other than minor experimentation with marijuana) are ineligible for enlistment. There are hundreds of medical conditions (either current, or past history of) that render one ineligible to join our armed forces. Without a high school diploma or GED, one is ineligible to join, and -- only about 10 percent each year can have GEDs.

All of these increased standards, along with unsurpassed technology, have made the United States Military the most powerful military in the World (no other country's military even comes close). If we were to re-instate the draft, and the military was forced to accept everyone, regardless of criminal/drug/medical/test score qualifications, we would be larger, but much, much less effective. It's not numbers that count. It's training and technology. Lock two people in a room the size of a football field, one armed with 100 rocks, and the other, an expert, professionally-trained and motivated sharpshooter, armed with a precision rifle and three rounds of ammunition. Who is likely to come out alive?

Mandatory Public Service. I often hear individuals state that everyone should serve a term in the U.S. Military. Such individuals feel it's possible to force someone to be patriotic (we proved this false during the Vietnam draft-era). While I personally think that a term of military service would benefit most of our youths, mandated military service or public service is not a good idea. The purpose of the military is to "kill people and break things" -- to be the best fighting force possible (there is nothing more useless than a second-best military). It's not the purpose of our armed forces to provide a "learning experience," or "maturing experience" for our Nation's youth. If that's the goal, create some other kind of program -- but leave our Nation's defense out of it. You can't force patriotism on someone. Most military personnel I know would rather serve alongside someone who has volunteered to be there, not some small percentage of the population dragged there by threat of prison.
Police officers and firemen also perform an extremely valuable public service, and are necessary to the safety of our nation. So, why don't we consider drafting people, against their wills, to supplement those forces? Why do some of us feel its perfectly justified to conscript non-volunteers into our military, but not other areas of important public service? Would you want a non-volunteer patrolling the streets to protect you from crime, or responsible to try and save your burning house? Of course not. So why would one want a non-volunteer to fight our wars and protect our National Security?

Crunching the Numbers. Back to the two pieces of legislation I mention at the beginning of this article: Remember, both bills would require military service (or community service for those who don't medically qualify for military service) for everyone between the ages of 20 and 26. According to the Selective Service, there are currently 11 million men eligible for the draft in that age-range. However, both bills apply to women as well, so about 22 million would be required to serve. Keep in mind that these bills do not just require a portion of them to be drafted, they require everyone to serve.

With all due respect to the good senator and representative, they're full of it, and they know it. There is absolutely no way this country could afford a military with 22 million people serving. Rangel and Hollings introduced the legislation to make a political point (they are against the war in Iraq), not because they think the bills have any chance of passing. They can't pass, and the congressmen know it. Let's do some simple arithmetic:

For the sake of simpler mathematics, we'll assume that all 22 million "draftees" are serving in the grade of E-1 (the lowest enlisted grade). They won't be, of course, but it makes the math easier. An E-1 in today's military starts off with a base pay of $1193.40 per month. $1193.40 multiplied by 22 million comes to $26,254,800,000. That's a payroll of 26 BILLION dollars per month, just in the basic pay. Multiply that by 12, and it's a yearly payroll of $315,057,600,000 (315 BILLION dollars!).

Well, if we have a draft, we don't need to pay that much, right? Okay, assume we give these 22 million troops "slave wages," and just pay them $500 per month. That would still equal a base-pay expense of $12,500,000,000 (12 BILLION dollars) per month, or $150,000,000,000 (150 BILLION dollars) per year.

Let's not forget that we have to feed these troops. It costs the military about $150 per month to feed an enlisted member (assuming they eat all meals in the chow hall). So, we'll have to add $39,600,000,000 (39 BILLION dollars) to our annual military budget for food.

Where are all these people going to live? Are we going to build new barracks for all of them (About two or three million dollars per building)? What about those with spouses and children? Are we going to pay them a housing allowance so they can afford rent, or allow those children to live in the streets? Right now, we give married military members a housing allowance that (depending on location) averages about $500 per month. Assume that only 30% of those 22 million (6.6 million) have families. That's a housing budget of at least $3,300,000,000 per month.
Now add the costs for uniforms, equipment, training, relocation expenses, etc. Give me a break. This just ain 't gonna happen, folks. We can barely afford our current force-levels of about 1.5 million members on active duty.

Our country does not need a draft.

We have a million and a half highly trained, professional Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines currently on active duty. Additionally, we have 1.3 million in the Guard and Reserves. Together, these 2.8 million "all volunteer" professionals can handle any foreseeable military conflict. Also, let's not forget the millions in the inactive reserves, or the millions of military retirees who, by law, can be recalled to active duty at any time.
The Selective Service has issued the following official statement concerning the likelihood of a draft:

The Selective Service System remains in a standby, caretaker status. On Wednesday, September 18, 2002, in response to a question about the draft, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld indicated that there was "not a chance" of reinstituting the draft. According to Rumsfeld, the military is successful in attracting and retaining talented people in sufficient numbers.
It would take legislative action by the Congress and implementation by the President to reinstate a draft in an emergency.

The Selective Service System, like all Federal agencies, is ready to accomplish its missions. While no heightened measures have been undertaken to bring the Nation closer to reestablishing conscription, young men are reminded that they are still required by existing Federal law to register with Selective Service within 30 days of their 18th birthday. Late registrations are accepted, but not if a man is 26 years old or older. .

No, don't expect the initiation of a draft, anytime soon. It ain 't gonna happen.

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by The Eternal Klaive
As things stand, Military service is optional. That filters out anti-American psychos like me. Good system.



If you are so anti american, why do you stay in america?

You are only allowed to be the piece of shit that you are because you are in America.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Gemstone101
You're probably right, your fatass couldn't hide behind anything so you would die. Even a blind man is bound to hit one of your rolls.

Real ninjas can blend into their surroundings....

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by The Eternal Klaive
You're hopeless, I'm going to bed.

No log in and quit being a pussy who hides in his house so I can kill you over and over.

[Czeska]

:banghead:

Best smiley ever. Ever. Ever.

Like I said: Pussy

[Wezas]

http://www.sss.gov/


Notwithstanding recent stories in the news media and on the Internet, Selective Service is not getting ready to conduct a draft for the U.S. Armed Forces -- either with a special skills or regular draft. Rather, the Agency remains prepared to manage a draft if and when the President and the Congress so direct. This responsibility has been ongoing since 1980 and is nothing new. Further, both the President and the Secretary of Defense have stated on more than one occasion that there is no need for a draft for the War on Terrorism or any likely contingency, such as Iraq. Additionally, the Congress has not acted on any proposed legislation to reinstate a draft. Therefore, Selective Service continues to refine its plans to be prepared as is required by law, and to register young men who are ages 18 through 25.


And unlike Congress.org, this site has a ".gov" extension.

[Edaarin]

Please bitch, you can stop with pretending to be AzN already. I know you think Japanese people are all super ninja uber and all, but the closest you'll ever come to relating with them is being about proportionate to Godzilla. And you even got the sect wrong, Mahayanists are typically southeast Asians, Japanese are typically Zen Buddhists. Do you even know who Tensym Gyatsi (misspelled so you can't Google it) is?

You're also retarded if you want to end every life because it's misery. Don't pretend to want to be a bodhisattva, the mere thought of it is laughable. Bodhisattvas seek to relieve suffering, through compassion, teaching, and moral strengthening. Jerking off to webcam broadcasts of whomever your current cyber girlfriend is fisting a cat sort of cuts you out of the loop from having the moral fortitude for the job.

Tell me the 6 forms that human beings can take, and which of those are capable vessels for the attainment of Nirvana.

You're a fucking retard, and if you ever tried to go into a temple claiming you were a Buddhist, the monk at the door would slap you so hard your hundred chins would ripple from here to Okinawa.

[DianaBanana]

Edaarin you are a funny funny guy. :master:

[GSLeloo]

Why does Klaive keep posting here? I think he really can't take not having a forum.. and I thought his forums were supposed to be up by Tuesday? Looks like once again he's wrong.

And Klaive, I honestly don't believe anyone should die but you're one of the rare few who would actually deserve to be pulled in four by horses. You'd shoot Americans? I'm against the war because I DON'T LIKE ANYONE HAVING TO DIE. You're just a little piece of shit that probably thinks it's cool to say shit like you'd kill Americans. Why don't you do everyone a favor and just disappear because no one would honestly miss you. You are a waste of life. keep posting here because it doesn't matter, no one likes you and you should seriously just learn that by now.

[Jonty]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
and I thought his forums were supposed to be up by Tuesday?

posted on 5-25-2004 at 06:54 AM Post ID: 180495


Originally posted by The Eternal Klaive

Originally posted by Tei

So uhm.. when's the SR coming back up?

Minimum: In 6 hours, 5 minutes.

Maximum: In 54 hours, 5 minutes.

[GSLeloo]

Oh I don't care the bullshit he says. I just remember him claiming somewhere else they'd be back by tomorrow and once again he's wrong.

[Jonty]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Oh I don't care the bullshit he says. I just remember him claiming somewhere else they'd be back by tomorrow and once again he's wrong.

Today isn't finished yet.... They could be up... could not... I don't know, neither do youl.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Gemstone101
You're probably right, your fatass couldn't hide behind anything so you would die. Even a blind man is bound to hit one of your rolls.


Real ninjas can blend into their surroundings....

ROFOLL

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

This thread kills me. I miss Longshot's zingers but Edaarin and PB picked up the slack.

I try not to laugh out loud at work, but the hidden ninja and Ed's comments inspired it.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Edaarin
Do you even know who Tensym Gyatsi (misspelled so you can't Google it) is?


That is the both the funniest and most clever thing I've read today.

[Hulkein]

It's ashame Google fixes Tensym Gyats into - Tensin Gyatso.

Is that who you meant Ed?

I hate google just for that reason, people just google stuff when called out and act like some expert.

[The Eternal Klaive]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Oh I don't care the bullshit he says. I just remember him claiming somewhere else they'd be back by tomorrow and once again he's wrong.

I considered posting something that started with "Dumb whore, I'm about tired of your lip!" but I decided against it. What would it accomplish?

Allow me to explain this for you...

When you switch web hosts, you still own your domain name, assuming you purchased it.

There are things called Data Name Servers (DNS) which are needed for your website to function. You following me? Mmkay. Let me know if I'm talking too fast for you.

Because my old host discontinued my service, their DNS addresses were useless to me.

So, I signed up for a new host who sent me new DNS information to plug in for my domain. You starting to understand now? That's great.

Now... I changed the DNS addresses to the ones my new host gave me, but it takes 1-3 days for the site to work after changing them.

Okay then, I hope that was informative and helpful. If you have any questions, feel free to give me a call at 702-386-5397, and we'll have a nice slow talk.

If you want, I can use MS Paint to draw you some flash cards and send them to you through email.

[Artha]

If you use MS Paint, they aren't Flash cards.

[The Eternal Klaive]

Originally posted by Artha
If you use MS Paint, they aren't Flash cards.

Okay, then I'll draw a picture of flash cards in MS Paint.

[GSLeloo]

First of all I'd never give you a call. You can keep trying but that isn't happening. And once again, who are you trying to impress? Everyone here knows you're a loser and everything you says just reminds them of what a huge pussy you are. You know, if you just embraced that you'd be a lot better off.

the draft roolz

I want to shoot shit.

[The Eternal Klaive]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
First of all I'd never give you a call. You can keep trying but that isn't happening. And once again, who are you trying to impress? Everyone here knows you're a loser and everything you says just reminds them of what a huge pussy you are. You know, if you just embraced that you'd be a lot better off.

Leloo... you have my sympathy. No one should ever be born of the union of a brother and sister.

Of course you're simple-minded and easily confused. What else could be expected?

I won't attack you or argue with you any more. I didn't know about your family history and I apologise.

Klaive honestly if you're going to insult somebody, at least use things that are true not made up shit ... it's kinda lame and very junior high.

[GSLeloo]

Wow Klaive, you seriously can't think of any original insults can you? I mean look at you.. you basically say on SR that you won't post here and here you are, desperately posting and trying to get some kind of approval because that is what you need to survive. We all know more than we want to about you and you insult my intelligence? This from the man who is probably the biggest hypocrit and simpleton that ever existed.

You can keep trying your pathetic insults at me but no one will think you're anything less than a spineless worm and no one will hold any respect for you.

[The Eternal Klaive]

I'm not trying to insult you, Leloo. :)

[GSLeloo]

Klaive.. honestly I used to think you had the potential to be a good person. All you have to do is stop being such a shit for five minutes.

And I will end this post with what has to be one of the funniest things I've ever seen that was created by one of our brilliant fellow posters...

[The Eternal Klaive]

I believe that was taken off a website, "Why you should never put your picture online." or some such, not created by a poster.

So my question is... why are you ending your post with it? Random much?

[GSLeloo]

No it's brilliant and I was sharing it again because.. it's very funny. <3 to whoever made it.

Klaive what do you think you will accomplish by being an asshole?

Welp it is obvious that the Draft won't happen any time soon. I think this thread ran its course.

[The Eternal Klaive]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
No it's brilliant and I was sharing it again because.. it's very funny. <3 to whoever made it.

Klaive what do you think you will accomplish by being an asshole?

I'm not being an asshole. It's all about perception, Leloo.

We got along fine until you went psycho about Ben not being perma-banned for doing something that was, quite frankly, not that bad.

Like I said, I don't hold grudges. I can switch from Friend to Enemy or from Enemy to Friend in moments and have no trouble adjusting.

You're the one who decided to dislike me.

[Atlanteax]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
No it's brilliant and I was sharing it again because.. it's very funny. <3 to whoever made it.

Klaive what do you think you will accomplish by being an asshole?

He'll accomplish some selfish personal delight when he succeeds in annoying you and others. :rolleyes:

[Jonty]

Originally posted by The Edine
Klaive honestly if you're going to insult somebody, at least use things that are true not made up shit ... it's kinda lame and very junior high.

Heh, he's not the only one.

[GSLeloo]

No Klaive... what happened is I constantly accepted your bullshit. You were always doing shit behind the scenes and always screwing people over. That's why everyone slowly left SR. And then Ben went on a rampage and made about five threads about how I am a ..I won't even use the word he did but a whore and nasty comments about Tijay.

What did you? Well you didn't want to lose sex partner so you kissed Ben's ass as usual and ignored it all. That's why PC will always be a real board and SR will be nothing more than a place where you pull powertrips to try to feel more than the little piece of nothing that you are.

Oh and tell me Klaive, what is bad? Obviously insulting everyone in a horrible way isn't worth being banned. Does it only count when someone insults you and whatever person you're trying to fuck that week?

[Edited on 5-26-2004 by GSLeloo]

[Edaarin]

Heh, let him do what he wants on his boards Leloo. If people dislike his way of handling things they're free to leave. It's his sad corner of the world, and it would be mean for anyone to try and pull it away from him. I couldn't care less if the entire population of the SR migrated here so long as they remember that civility costs nothing.

Even Ben was moderately well behaved while he was here.

[Bobmuhthol]

Late response alert.

<<You'd shoot Americans?>>

I would.

<<This from the man who is probably the biggest hypocrit and simpleton that ever existed.>>

One of these words is misspelled. Can you guess which?


btw Leloo wins. This post is half in jest and half because I'm not thinking straight from all the shit that happened yesterday/today plus I almost died.

The above sentence was also because I'm not thinking straight.

[GSLeloo]

Either way <3 Bob!

[LOLOMGSTFU]

Originally posted by Jonty

Originally posted by The Edine
Klaive honestly if you're going to insult somebody, at least use things that are true not made up shit ... it's kinda lame and very junior high.

Heh, he's not the only one. LOL

Originally posted by Jonty

Originally posted by The Edine
Klaive honestly if you're going to insult somebody, at least use things that are true not made up shit ... it's kinda lame and very junior high.

Heh, he's not the only one.

True, but you do not get much more juvenile than you sleep with your family.

[Jonty]

Originally posted by The Edine
True, but you do not get much more juvenile than you sleep with your family.

Eh, it's all equally retarded to me.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Tayre
It won't pass. My dad said that yesterday, and he (not that I don't accept everything Tayre says as God's Word) had an explanation: Biggest voting block in the country right now are guys around his age. Guys who were teenagers during the Vietnam War.

As for Edine's tremendously long quote: lol, w00t, and when the hell are they gonna make marijuana legal?

Also, I never knew Monks were so violent. CMAN SLAP is going to change everything. :yes:

Finally, Edine has gained enough points to break even, thanks to this thread. :up:

[Kadumi]

we will never have anyone elected that's far enough on the liberal side to legalize weed.

You are welcome Latrinsorm, and I thank you for giving me the points to break even.

[theotherjohn]

The thing that annoys me about the draft issue is if the military would tell the truth about everything enough people would join.

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by Kadumi
we will never have anyone elected that's far enough on the liberal side to legalize weed.

There are several parties with just that platform.

You can read about them here

http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I sincerely hope they legalize marajuana. Be easier to screen the potheads from any position in working America besides asking me how I'd like my burger done if I can tell from the pack of smokes in their rolled up white t-shirt sleeve.

Now that would be worth it. That and the taxes we'd garner from all the morons who need a mind altering drug to accept the pitiful existance that is their lives.

[Warriorbird]

DNS = Domain Name Server, as a general note... and I don't even have a degree in computer science.