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The Eternal Klaive
05-25-2004, 04:12 AM
So here's how I'm a Satanic Mahayana Buddhist. Note that the title is just there for convenience. My beliefs are self-formulated and may deviate from the beliefs listed here in some ways... but these are the closest matches to me and so, the reason that I give myself these labels.

What I list here is all stuff I agree with.

Satanism:

Some of their beliefs and practices are:


They do not worship a living deity.
Major emphasis is placed on the power and authority of the individual Satanist, rather than on a god or goddess.
They believe that "no redeemer liveth" - that each person is their own redeemer, fully responsible for the direction of their own life.
"Satanism respects and exalts life. Children and animals are the purest expressions of that life force, and as such are held sacred and precious...

The nine Satanic statements: These form the core of the Church of Satan beliefs. They were written by Anton LaVey. In abridged form, they state that Satan represents:
Indulgence, not abstinence.
Vital existence, not spiritual pipe dreams.
Undefiled wisdom, not hypocritical self-deceit.
Kindness to those deserving of it, not love wasted on ingrates.
Vengeance, not turning the other cheek.
Responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires.
Man as just another animal - the most vicious of all.
Gratification of all ones desires.
The best friend that the Christian Church has had as he has kept it in business for centuries.

The nine Satanic sins are: Stupidity, pretentiousness, solipsism, self-deceit, herd conformity, lack of perspective, forgetfulness of past orthodoxies, counterproductive pride, and lack of aesthetics.

Theology of the CoS:
People have created Gods in many forms; pick one that might be useful to you.
Heaven and Hell do not exist.
Satan is not closely related to the modern (post 1400 AD) concept of the Christian devil. Satanists view Satan as a pre-Christian life principle which represents the carnal, earthly, and mundane aspects of life.
Satan is not a being, a living entity; he is a force of nature.
Prayer is useless; it distracts people from useful activity.
Ritual killing (of humans or animals) violates Satanic principles. Blood drawn from a victim is useless. Victims are killed symbolically, not actually.
Members enjoy indulgence instead of abstinence. They practice with joy all the seven deadly Christian sins (greed, pride, envy, anger, gluttony, lust and sloth)
If a man smites you on one cheek, smash him on the other.
Do unto others as they do onto you.
Suicide is actively discouraged.
The Satanist needs no elaborate, detailed list of rules of behavior.


Mahayana Buddhism:

The story goes that at first, the abilities of Buddha’s followers to comprehend what he had attained was limited, thus his teachings had to focus on the most important concepts of enlightenment and Nirvana. It is often said that The Buddha foresaw a time when his disciples would be ready for more than these basic teachings. This slow evolution of Buddhist thought beyond the original teachings of the Buddha demonstrated the great flexibility and openness that was possible in Buddhism, thus as it moved out of India to other countries, it was rapidly integrated into the cultures it encountered.

"Many Buddhists, especially Westerners, tend to see both the Theravada and Mahayana approaches as not being contradictory or in opposition but rather as complimentary to each other. The Mahayana is often seen as an expansion of or commentary on Theravadan teachings."


Bohdisattva Warriors:
Theravada or Hinayana Buddhism embraced the concept of the Bodhisattva, or "one who achieves perfect attainment." Theravadan Buddhists saw this as merely a guide or a model to the journey of individual enlightenment. Thus any adherent of the Theravadan Tradition who through strict discipline and devotion to scripture became enlightened had lived up to the ideal of the Bodhisattva. But Bodhisattva was seen merely as a teaching tool, only as a part of the individual’s path in reaching Nirvana. It would not reach beyond this until the formation of the Mahayana Tradition.

The Mahayana determined that Bodhisattva was a mandate not for individual perfection, but to save all sentient beings from suffering. Mahayana Buddhists take a vow NOT to enter Nirvana, even though they too strive to reach enlightenment. Instead their vow is to return to the world of suffering and assist all others in reaching Nirvana first, thus casting the role of Buddhists as compassionate protectors and saviors.

"The bodhisattva is translated literally as 'one whose essence is perfect wisdom' or 'one destined for enlightenment.' The essential characteristics of the bodhisattva in both sects are compassion, selflessness, wisdom, and servitude. The bodhisattva takes a vow: 'I must lead all beings to liberation, I will stay here until the end, even for the sake of one living mortal'. "

I embrace the Buddhist principles and strive to attain them in my life... but my ideal means of leading everyone to Nirvana is to execute the human race as a whole and allow all people to be reborn as something with a greater capacity for wisdom and enlightenment.

Is that warped? Perhaps.

The basic premise of my belief is still that belief, itself, shapes reality and whatever is believed is true for you. Thus, in your reality, you are all that matters. It is belief, not will. This is why many guilty christians will send themselves to "hell" when they die.

So what's your offbeat religion?

Satira
05-25-2004, 04:18 AM
As someone who has studied world religions their entire life, I would just like to say... You make my brain bleed. That is all.

Shari
05-25-2004, 04:23 AM
I love you, Satira.

Nakiro
05-25-2004, 04:49 AM
I can understand how you are a mix, but you can not be both entirely. Selflessness and servitude have no place in Satanism.

Satira
05-25-2004, 04:59 AM
:troll: PLEEEEEEEEEEASE

Mint
05-25-2004, 05:04 AM
Originally posted by Lady Satira
:troll: PLEEEEEEEEEEASE

I love you Satira. And it bears repeating:

:troll:

Nakiro
05-25-2004, 05:09 AM
:violin:

StrayRogue
05-25-2004, 05:12 AM
Klaive reminds me of a few people I know or knew. These kids, and I stress the word kids, were very much into fads. They often lacked a common sense of self. In fact they'd do anything to try and fit in, even if it was fitting into the role of "someone annoying". He does this very well.

However, we've all got to appreciate that this sad specimen of human existence is in reality, a fat and lonely little boy. Let us all send him U2U's offering our support for him and his psychotic mother. Please, forgive this orange slush-puppy for his sins. Please.

End Sarcasm.

The Eternal Klaive
05-25-2004, 05:38 AM
Originally posted by Nakiro
I can understand how you are a mix, but you can not be both entirely. Selflessness and servitude have no place in Satanism.

Selflessness and Servitude, like anything else, are ultimately selfish concepts. No one does anything without some type of self-serving motive, even if it's obscure.

Miss X
05-25-2004, 06:10 AM
I have always believed that whatever it is that gets you through life, helps you accept things or gives your live meaning is fine, regardless of what it is as long as it isnt hurting anyone else.

A lot of us need to believe in something, I know personally that without Christianity I would struggle to find some kind of meaning or reason for my existence. I need my God, when I drifted from him my life went down hill, I got to a really low point and then something picked me up. I believe that it was God and my life has improved so much since then. I'm happy now, I don't care how many people belittle or criticise me for my beliefs, it doesn't phase me. I have my faith to hold on to, I need it in my life.

Having said that, I don't discuss it with many people. I don't feel the need to try and preach or convert others, my beliefs are personal they don't affect anyone else. I will teach my future children to be open minded and let them make their own decisions as well. Religion or religious ideas cannot be forced onto anyone, believe what you want to believe and I will do the same, its all about acceptance and tolerance for those that have opinions so vastly different from our own.

The Eternal Klaive
05-25-2004, 06:11 AM
Originally posted by Miss X
I have always believed that whatever it is that gets you through life, helps you accept things or gives your live meaning is fine, regardless of what it is as long as it isnt hurting anyone else.

A lot of us need to believe in something, I know personally that without Christianity I would struggle to find some kind of meaning or reason for my existence. I need my God, when I drifted from him my life went down hill, I got to a really low point and then something picked me up. I believe that it was God and my life has improved so much since then. I'm happy now, I don't care how many people belittle or criticise me for my beliefs, it doesn't phase me. I have my faith to hold on to, I need it in my life.

Having said that, I don't discuss it with many people. I don't feel the need to try and preach or convert others, my beliefs are personal they don't affect anyone else. I will teach my future children to be open minded and let them make their own decisions as well. Religion or religious ideas cannot be forced onto anyone, believe what you want to believe and I will do the same, its all about acceptance and tolerance for those that have opinions so vastly different from our own.

Well said.

Fallen
05-25-2004, 08:03 AM
I dont understand where the label of Satanism, or Satan in general is applicable to the idea, Klaive. Care to explain?

P.S.

Honest question

Latrinsorm
05-25-2004, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by The Eternal Klaive
Selflessness and Servitude, like anything else, are ultimately selfish concepts.Selflessness is not selfish. That's like saying all wet things are really dry.
No one does anything without some type of self-serving motive, even if it's obscure.Untrue.

Wezas
05-25-2004, 11:49 AM
I think this needs repeating as well
http://www.bestofhumor.com/funnies2/attentionwhore.jpg

TheEschaton
05-25-2004, 12:18 PM
I dont understand where the label of Satanism, or Satan in general is applicable to the idea, Klaive. Care to explain?


It's just a different name to hedonism/secular humanism to rile Christians, Fallen.

And, Klaive, I want to thank you for providing the title for the book I'm going to write.....America: The Modern Satanic Empire, with a subtitle of "How Capitalism bred Anton LaVey". It'll be a book on how a philosophy/theology like LaVeyian Satansim could only arise in a capitalistic society.

And it'll help prove my point. When reading your synopsis - people will readily say, "That is abhorrant." When they realize it is the system they live in, and participate in....maybe that Socialist revolution is on its way. ;)

Furthermore, your denial of altruism in any situation leaves out the point that while, deep down, servitude and selflessness may be self-interested, you convienantly forget the fact that it is not pure self-interest, in that one could better promote their own needs, with other principles. IE, the very act of servitude takes away from one's self-interest....because it's not in one's best interest to help the competition.


And my quirky, offbeat religion, is Liberation theology.

-TheE-

[Edited on 5-25-2004 by TheEschaton]

05-25-2004, 12:27 PM
counterproductive pride

Oh the irony

Miss X
05-25-2004, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by TheEschaton
And it'll help prove my point. When reading your synopsis - people will readily say, "That is abhorrant." When they realize it is the system they live in, and participate in....maybe that Socialist revolution is on its way. ;)

:yes: I hope so!!

Czeska
05-25-2004, 12:48 PM
I'll stick to my own "offbeat religion" thanks.

Oh, and RangerD1... you've made me laugh twice today. Stop it please, it freaks me out.

Trinitis
05-25-2004, 03:30 PM
*points down to his sig*

Nuff said.

The Eternal Klaive
05-25-2004, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by RangerD1

counterproductive pride

Oh the irony

Thus far, my pride has proved quite productive! When my pride costs me something I actually care about, then it'll be time to pause and reflect.

05-25-2004, 06:06 PM
You're also skinny and very attractive. You should be proud.

05-25-2004, 06:29 PM
The only way to reach enlightenment is to have a lobotomy. This way the mind can never be clouded.

Mistomeer
05-25-2004, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by LordAdredrin
*points down to his sig*

Nuff said.

Exactly! Rage against the machine! Fight the establishment!

Wait, I'm not a 13 year old vampire wannabe. Nevermind.

Trinitis
05-25-2004, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by Mistomeer

Originally posted by LordAdredrin
*points down to his sig*

Nuff said.

Exactly! Rage against the machine! Fight the establishment!

Wait, I'm not a 13 year old vampire wannabe. Nevermind.

Actually, its GWAR, not Rage..and I'm not 13 either. It just happens to share my views :)

Syberus
05-25-2004, 07:57 PM
Someone besides beavis and butthead listens to Gwar?

ThisOtherKingdom
05-25-2004, 08:05 PM
Gwar rules, gringo. http://www.cell2000.net/~users/Ryan/CORNANIM.GIF

Trinitis
05-25-2004, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by Syberus
Someone besides beavis and butthead listens to Gwar?

It would seem so :)