Weapon selection

[JDDZ]

In all of yours' humble opinion, which weapon is best for ambushing and why? Enchants and weighting aside.

[DaCapn]

It really depends. What weapon group, what level range, what creatures you're facing.

For OHE, handaxe is pretty much the best all around. If you're higher level or not facing plate, daggers in the eyes are a great way to go.

For THW, it's the maul.

Basically, look at the damage types the weapons do, the DFs, and then look at the critical tables.

[Asha]

Does it have to be maul for THW? I loved my mattocks. And by loved, I mean sexually.

[DaCapn]

Does it have to be maul for THW? I loved my mattocks. And by loved, I mean sexually.

Oh, YOU!

[Drew]

For THW: Maul or mattock.

For TWC: mace/mace or possibly ball & chain/mace

For OHE: people will say dagger to the eye, but that's retarded. If you are rolling a new character and have no legacy weapons, don't do OHE. There is no pure OHE weapon type that only does 1 good type of ambush damage (for reference crush and puncture are the two good damage types, slash is not). Every OHE does slash damage which automatically makes them bad at ambushing. No one else will tell you this because there are a lot of edged weapon users but I speak the TROOF.

[waywardgs]

Bow.

[neimanz1]

Twc- dagger in right and handaxe in left is pretty good if you ambush. most of the time its instant kill for 4 sec if you ambushing from hiding. If not you most likely will finish it off with the handaxe.

[JustDan]

Sniping is very viable, as well. Get a bow, master fletching, triple hiding, and aim for legs and eyes. Get haste imbeds, phoen's scrolls, and CM Surge for the annoying plate-wearing users.

[BriarFox]

Maces are excellent, either as OHBs or as TWC weapons.

[Sean]

For OHE: people will say dagger to the eye, but that's retarded. If you are rolling a new character and have no legacy weapons, don't do OHE. There is no pure OHE weapon type that only does 1 good type of ambush damage (for reference crush and puncture are the two good damage types, slash is not). Every OHE does slash damage which automatically makes them bad at ambushing. No one else will tell you this because there are a lot of edged weapon users but I speak the TROOF.

Yea but it's also much harder and sometimes expensive to find a quality weapon that isn't an OHE.

[JDDZ]

Hey thanks for the tips everyone! I did archery for about 2 weeks, I found it really boring. Chasing down arrows was a PITA as well, plus I think swinging things around makes me look cool. I'm seriously considering changing from OHE to OHB. I just own lots of half-way decent OHE weapons, VHCW stuff of a lot of different varieties, and not a single blunt weapon.


Twc- dagger in right and handaxe in left is pretty good if you ambush. most of the time its instant kill for 4 sec if you ambushing from hiding. If not you most likely will finish it off with the handaxe.

What would this do to your RT if you swung both weapons? My rogue is sword and board training, so I can't really try it without burning my fixskills. If I burned my fixskills, I think I would go into OHB and still use my shield. And on that topic, anyone have a nice OHB for sale or trade?

[Ardwen]

There are or at least have been created more high quality OHE weapons then every other base combined, generally making a decent OHE far more affordable. Ask anyone looking for a legendary mace or lance just how many they know of, for example.

[neimanz1]

5 sec for regular swing and 6 for ambush if i swung both weapons

[Asha]

5 sec for regular swing and 6 for ambush if i swung both weapons

What about with surge?
Oh nevermind. Been playing an archer too long.
Carry on.

[Drew]

What would this do to your RT if you swung both weapons? My rogue is sword and board training, so I can't really try it without burning my fixskills. If I burned my fixskills, I think I would go into OHB and still use my shield. And on that topic, anyone have a nice OHB for sale or trade?

1 rank of TWC is all you need to activate it for testing. Just learn one rank and try swinging any combination of two weapons in regular swings and ambush to see how fast you are.

[Donquix]

sais for the eyes.

all puncture, all the time. Slower than dagger ambushing but guaranteed to poke.

I still want to get a pair of sais w/ perm puncture mechanical flares.

[Exaalark]

Twc- dagger in right and handaxe in left is pretty good if you ambush. most of the time its instant kill for 4 sec if you ambushing from hiding. If not you most likely will finish it off with the handaxe.

I just started a rogue, and please tell me if this is wrong... but this is what I do. I ambush leg with the dagger then the handaxe finishes them off on the second swing. its VERY effective at low levels. My RT is 6 secs i think. If I get a kill with the dagger, its only 3 sec RT.

I plan on sticking with OHE... Dagger and Handaxe is just too cool to me. so if anyone switches, know that Im always open to new OHE's... silvers permitting (im quite poor right now tho. and by quite, i mean very). :)

Oh, how many trains is if for a half-krov rogue to wear Cuir Leather??

[Rhovan]

Oh, how many trains is if for a half-krov rogue to wear Cuir Leather??

Don't worry about the half-krolvin or the rogue, just get 18 ranks for cuirbouilli leather.

[Exaalark]

18... thanks. And Cuir Leather IS a good choice?

[Mobius1]

sais for the eyes.

all puncture, all the time. Slower than dagger ambushing but guaranteed to poke.

I still want to get a pair of sais w/ perm puncture mechanical flares.

I use these myself, though not because they are the best (I've been a brawling rogue since long before brawling weapons were around, when there were only 2 of us.). I do agree they are the best BRAWLING weapon for ambushing (not counting katars), because of their puncture only and good chain DFs, but because of their 1 extra RT, I'd say they are not the BEST of all weapons.

Also, you can't just say blunts are better either, because DF's and damage types aren't everything. You also need to factor in RT, TWC, CM training, etc. Just having a high enough AS, can make DF's and/or damage types far less important compared to RT.

I don't care about crit weighting or anything like that, since good old AS is more important to me.

Personally, I think the BEST weapon for a rogue, is sadly a bow. Not because of its killing power alone, but mostly because it takes such low TP's to perform well with. CM training? Lol. Encumbrance? Lol. Overpowered? Yes!

But bows and my utter disdain for them aside, I think that the best weapon is highly subjective. If I HAD to choose what is the best, though, I would say dagger, for its 3 sec RT, and OHE training cost being cheaper. RT means a lot, when things can EBP, you can fumble, etc.

[Rhovan]

18... thanks. And Cuir Leather IS a good choice?

You'll find a lot of different opinions, but if you are going with scale, try aiming for brigandine. You need 30 ranks, but that isn't too hard as a rogue. If you want more thoughts on armor choice, search around a bit and you'll find plenty of lengthy discussions.