Bardess of Doom (I wish)

[Mint]

Greetings helpful people! I started a bard a while back in hopes of using her for gem purification. She sucks at it though so I did some tweaking of her skills but have not used fixskills yet. I read that manipulation helps in gem purification but I don't know how many ranks to give her since I would like her to also be a viable hunter.

I would appreciate any/all suggestions greatly. It would be nice if she could loresing decently as well.

>skills base
XXXX (at level 20), your base skill bonuses, ranks and goals are:
Skill Name | Actual Actual
| Bonus Ranks Goals Time to Goal
Armor Use..........................| 143 43.076 35 67 in-game hours
Shield Use.........................| 93 21 21
Edged Weapons......................| 144 44 44
Brawling...........................| 99 23 43 ASAP (will rise when points are available)
Physical Fitness...................| 93 21 21
Dodging............................| 93 21 21
Harness Power......................| 93 21 21
Elemental Mana Control.............| 45 9 20 ASAP (will rise when points are available)
Mental Mana Control................| 15 3.607 0 18 in-game hours
Elemental Lore - Air...............| 0 0 6 ASAP (will rise when points are available)
Mental Lore - Divination...........| 30 6.845 0 45 in-game hours
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 30 6 6
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 30 6 6
Mental Lore - Transference.........| 0 0.445 0 2 in-game hours
Stalking and Hiding................| 10 2.854 0 7 in-game hours
Perception.........................| 117 29.460 5 79 in-game hours
Climbing...........................| 45 9.920 5 12 in-game hours
Swimming...........................| 25 5 5

Spell Lists
Bard...............................| 20 20
>info
Name: XXXX Race: Dark Elf Profession: Bard
Gender: Female Age: 31 Expr: 477177 Level: 20
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 96 (23) ... 96 (23)
Constitution (CON): 50 (-5) ... 50 (-5)
Dexterity (DEX): 80 (25) ... 80 (25)
Agility (AGI): 86 (23) ... 86 (23)
Discipline (DIS): 65 (-3) ... 65 (-3)
Aura (AUR): 96 (33) ... 96 (33)
Logic (LOG): 63 (6) ... 63 (6)
Intuition (INT): 40 (0) ... 40 (0)
Wisdom (WIS): 60 (10) ... 60 (10)
Influence (INF): 96 (18) ... 96 (18)
Mana: 76 Silver: 0

[Galleazzo]

Mint, can you just post the ranks you have in those skills without all the migration stuff? The table isn't formatting well and it hurts my eyes to see.

[Mint]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
Mint, can you just post the ranks you have in those skills without all the migration stuff? The table isn't formatting well and it hurts my eyes to see.

If it will get me help I would dance on the rooftop (fully clothed of course):

>skill
XXXXX (at level 20), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 143 43
Shield Use.........................| 93 21
Edged Weapons......................| 144 44
Brawling...........................| 99 23
Physical Fitness...................| 93 21
Dodging............................| 93 21
Harness Power......................| 93 21
Elemental Mana Control.............| 45 9
Mental Mana Control................| 15 3
Elemental Lore - Air...............| 0 0
Mental Lore - Divination...........| 30 6
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 30 6
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 30 6
Mental Lore - Transference.........| 0 0
Stalking and Hiding................| 10 2
Perception.........................| 117 29
Climbing...........................| 45 9
Swimming...........................| 25 5

Spell Lists
Bard...............................| 20

[Anebriated]

If it will get me help I would dance on the rooftop (fully clothed of course):

pictures pease :tumble:

On a training related note. I would choose either edged or brawling, not both. Get CM, drop hide/stalk. Instead of spreading your lore training out I would find one or two and stick with them as well.

[AnticorRifling]

As a bard stick to one weapon choice, get CM, drop the hide, consolidate the lores, and I, personally would get at least 406 that way you can have that 15 DS from 401 and 406.

[AnticorRifling]

Ohh yeah lower perception to 1x, I think (again no proof just my thoughts) over 1x as anything but a picker is pointless.

[Chadj]

I don't know what you are doing with all those ranks in lores.

Drop divination, telepathy and also transference. Add it to manipulation. Manipulation is the only one that will directly help with gem purifying.

To futher increase it's success, get more bard spells.

That should about sum it up :). Good luck

[Anebriated]

doesnt transference increase the length of spellsongs?

[Mint]

Thank you all for the advice. Info I have found on the web has been soooo confusing. This helps though. :heart:

[Gs4 Spyre]

Curious to know how many of you actually play bards...

But... What do you want to swing? How do you want to fight? Do you want to be able to mstrike or hide and ambush?

I personally think ambush is wasted on a bard. Mstrike is very useful with flaring weapons and really useful with the double strike flares we bards can get from our sonics. However, I'm a TWC bard so I get twice as many hits as you do.

If you train elemental lore - air... you can get 45% flares or better down the road.

Tell me what you want to do and I'll tell you how to train.


Just glancing over things... Too much armor...

Two weapons... Why do you have brawling? For open hand Ds?Ie when you're disarmed? Or do you Voln Fu?

We'll start talking about the lores and extras once the basic plan is fixed.

[Gs4 Spyre]

(at level 13), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:

Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Two Weapon Combat..................| 120 30
Armor Use..........................| 40 8
Combat Maneuvers...................| 70 15
Brawling...........................| 120 30
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 25 5
Physical Fitness...................| 70 15
Dodging............................| 70 15
Harness Power......................| 70 15
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 25 5

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 7

Spell Lists
Bard...............................| 7

[AnticorRifling]

(at level 22), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 130 35
Combat Maneuvers...................| 99 23
Polearm Weapons....................| 146 46
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 25 5
Physical Fitness...................| 99 23
Dodging............................| 99 23
Harness Power......................| 99 23
Elemental Mana Control.............| 62 13
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 62 13
Climbing...........................| 25 5
Swimming...........................| 5 1

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 6

Spell Lists
Bard...............................| 17

My bard ^

Where is Soulpieced when you need him? I gave you more RAM son you should be answering bard questions at lightning speed now :cool:

[Drinin]

Drinin (at level 58), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Two Weapon Combat..................| 220 120
Armor Use..........................| 160 60
Combat Maneuvers...................| 160 60
Edged Weapons......................| 220 120
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 120 30
Physical Fitness...................| 160 60
Dodging............................| 160 60
Arcane Symbols.....................| 25 5
Magic Item Use.....................| 25 5
Harness Power......................| 160 60
Elemental Lore - Air...............| 90 20
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 78 17
Perception.........................| 102 24
Climbing...........................| 90 20
Swimming...........................| 70 15

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 30

Spell Lists
Bard...............................| 30
Training Points: 23 Phy 7 Mnt

[Chadj]

Originally posted by Elrodin
doesnt transference increase the length of spellsongs?

Telepathy does. But I was not taking that into account. She said she wanted something for purification, I gave her somethin for purification

[Chadj]

This if pulled out of a random log from a little while back (due to the fact that some people are still after me, I still refuse to give updated info)

Chadj (at level 31), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 130 35
Combat Maneuvers...................| 122 31
Polearm Weapons....................| 166 66
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 25 5
Physical Fitness...................| 126 33
Dodging............................| 126 33
Harness Power......................| 126 33
Elemental Lore - Air...............| 105 25
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 105 25
Climbing...........................| 35 7
Swimming...........................| 20 4


Name: Chadj Veenhof' Race: Half-Elf Profession: Bard (shown as: Bard)
Gender: Male Age: 41 Expr: 1096025 Level: 31
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 84 (17) ... 84 (17)
Constitution (CON): 95 (22) ... 95 (22)
Dexterity (DEX): 84 (22) ... 84 (22)
Agility (AGI): 92 (31) ... 92 (31)
Discipline (DIS): 95 (17) ... 95 (17)
Aura (AUR): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Logic (LOG): 52 (1) ... 52 (1)
Intuition (INT): 41 (-4) ... 41 (-4)
Wisdom (WIS): 46 (-2) ... 46 (-2)
Influence (INF): 95 (27) ... 95 (27)

[Pallon]

Pallon (at level 45), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 146 46
Combat Maneuvers...................| 146 46
Polearm Weapons....................| 192 92
Physical Fitness...................| 140 40
Dodging............................| 146 46
Arcane Symbols.....................| 50 10
Harness Power......................| 145 45
Elemental Lore - Air...............| 120 30
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 70 15
Disarming Traps....................| 146 46
Perception.........................| 146 46
Climbing...........................| 70 15
Swimming...........................| 70 15
Trading............................| 140 40

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 11

Spell Lists
Bard...............................| 35

[Galleazzo]

This is what I got for my bard. Some of his numbers might look kooky but he hunts Icemule so that's why Survival and Climbing are up the wazoo and he got 7x doubles so that's why Armor is low.

Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 40 8
Shield Use.........................| 124 32
Combat Maneuvers...................| 117 29
Edged Weapons......................| 162 62
Ambush.............................| 102 24
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 70 15
Physical Fitness...................| 120 30
Dodging............................| 120 30
Harness Power......................| 122 31
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 70 15
Survival...........................| 105 25
Perception.........................| 66 14
Climbing...........................| 122 31
Swimming...........................| 25 5
First Aid..........................| 35 7

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 14

Spell Lists
Bard...............................| 17

Anyway, a couple things.

1) Why are you hitting Armor so hard and fast? You maybe want to single it if you're going for brig, but that's a lot of wasted points.

2) Unless you really just have to share with people, lose the Mana Control, all of it.

3) Drop the Elemental Lores. They aren't worth shit unless you use sonics, and sonics won't do you any good for a lot of levels. Put all your Lore into Manipulation. Telepathy is real good and helps your AS, but you want an expert purifier, right?

4) My bard got .5x Perception and he works just fine.

5) Damn, yea, lose the Brawling, all of it. Me, I'd put those points in Ambush.

[Czeska]

Can't post my stats and stuff as I'm at work and can't log in. However, I do know that Czeska got 5 ranks of Mstrike and stopped. More isn't worth it to me, but a nice 1030 followed by mstrike makes her cackle something fierce.

[AnticorRifling]

Originally posted by Czeska
Can't post my stats and stuff as I'm at work and can't log in. However, I do know that Czeska got 5 ranks of Mstrike and stopped. More isn't worth it to me, but a nice 1030 followed by mstrike makes her cackle something fierce.

Five ranks of MOC you mean? Or enough MOC for 5 Mstrikes?

[Kadumi]

http://www.geocities.com/ladynilandia/lores/bards.htm

Hope this site helps. It explains what lores go where. If you're going with Voln, haste will give you a 1 sec punch. Very very deadly. I suggest stick with the brawling. I 1x in armor and 2x in harness power, but everything else looks kinda close to what I have with mine.

[Czeska]

Czes has 5 ranks of MOC. Enough for 2 critters. That's all I plan to get.

[Mint]

You people have given me some extremely helpful information. Thanks again! :socool: