Letter from vegan to her roommate

[Drew]

See, this is why people hate vegans.
July 6th, 2011 · 485 comments

“When I moved in a year ago, my roommate was an ovo-lacto vegetarian, whereas I was (and still am) an omnivore,” explains our submitter in Brooklyn. “She used to not care about my eating habits, but about four months ago she decided to become a full-blown vegan and has been insufferable since then. Yesterday I went food shopping for myself, and when I came back from work today I found this letter on my bedside table.”

(Yeah, the writing is a little hard to read — just wait for the page to load completely, and then click the images below to enlarge.)

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http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/2011/07/06/self-righteous-vegan/


My response letter to this would have definitely been written on vellum.

[Bobmuhthol]

I've never dealt with a vegan that didn't totally fucking irritate me. If I have, it's because they didn't let me know that they're vegan, but I don't believe that any of them shut the fuck up about it long enough for it to not be public knowledge.

That said, I agree with this vegan: why the fuck does this roommate feel entitled to eat in his/her house?

[Drew]

That said, I agree with this vegan: why the fuck does this roommate feel entitled to eat in his/her house?

It is very presumptuous.

[Sean]

I wonder what their rent split is.. If I'm paying 1/2 the rent theres no way I'm taking orders on what or where I can eat. If I want to sit on the couch and rub myself with bolonga slices that's what's going to happen.

[Back]

I wonder what their rent split is.. If I'm paying 1/2 the rent theres no way I'm taking orders on what or where I can eat. If I want to sit on the couch and rub myself with bolonga slices that's what's going to happen.

I can just see the Craig’s List ad you will put up someday looking for a roommate... good luck with that!

[Parkbandit]

I would make that vegan's life miserable... like drying my home-made sausage, hams and jerky in the living room. I would rent some heads of dead animals and totally redecorate in a safari theme. It would look similar to this:

http://media.caller.com/media/img/photos/2011/05/13/420110513082847001_t607.JPG

[g++]

Theres only one good way to deal with vegans. Get them drunk and then go to taco bell. Repeat until veganism ends.

[Parkbandit]

Theres only one good way to deal with vegans. Get them drunk and then go to taco bell. Repeat until veganism ends.

There's meat at Taco Bell??????

[diethx]

It is very presumptuous.

Agreed. I for one would never eat in my own house, and I don't even live with a vegan.

[Tgo01]

Eating animals is akin to abusing your children apparently. I think I've heard it all now.

[AnticorRifling]

Eating animals is akin to abusing your children apparently. I think I've heard it all now.

That Casey Anthony must be a T-Rex!

[pabstblueribbon]

My ex was a vegetarian and her sister was a vegan. I corrupted my ex fairly quickly and after a year or two of living together her sister needed a place to stay so we let her move in. Conflict out the ass.

I eventually used bacon as my weapon. It took a year or two, but she came around...



(she had really nice tits.. man i miss those)

[Kaittee]

My sister has been a vegan for a couple months. Fourth of July weekend was the first time I spent a good amount of time with her since this whole phase of her life started.


I've never dealt with a vegan that didn't totally fucking irritate me.

Me either. She started the weekend with giving me a large hardcover book called The China Study, and then told me to read it fast so she could borrow it and read it... She's going to be waiting a while. She practially bit my head off when I dared to question the methodology of the study.

The rest of the weekend was spent with her being absurdly defensive whenever anyone asked her about being vegan. Her boyfriend showed up the next day, and he is now also vegan; this is a kid who basically lived off of frozen chicken fingers and hot dogs.

All this while happily gloating about the leather purse my dad got her in Italy..

huh!?

[Some Rogue]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/vegancomedy.png

This thread also reminded me of Queerthose and how much I wanted to punch him in the face too.

[Latrinsorm]

Some people get annoyed by the littlest things, what can you do.

[AnticorRifling]

Eat them.

[Cephalopod]

I have a friend whose room-mate is a kosher Jew, and basically a vegan because of it. She insists on separate cookware and dishes, and she's requested that meaty leftovers not be kept in the fridge.

This, of course, means that we have cooked bacon in the vegan-only cookware and that leftover burgers frequently sit in the fridge until they are fed to the dog, so he can drag them around the shared living room.

Now, to ask the PC: would this be considered a hate-crime because she's a vegan mostly for religious regions?

[Androidpk]

Eat them.

Or beat them.

[BriarFox]

I eventually used bacon as my weapon. It took a year or two, but she came around...

(she had really nice tits.. man i miss those)

I read an article saying that bacon created more failed vegans and vegetarians than any other meat. S00p3r S3kr3t weapon!

Also, you know you're successful when you can get a vegan with great tits to wear a bacon bikini.

http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/uploads/images/2009/12/a-bacon-bikini.jpg

[Back]

Yeah, I don’t get the need to grief people who chose to eat the way they do.

You are basically being a huge asshole IMO.


I have a friend whose room-mate is a kosher Jew, and basically a vegan because of it. She insists on separate cookware and dishes, and she's requested that meaty leftovers not be kept in the fridge.

This, of course, means that we have cooked bacon in the vegan-only cookware and that leftover burgers frequently sit in the fridge until they are fed to the dog, so he can drag them around the shared living room.

Now, to ask the PC: would this be considered a hate-crime because she's a vegan mostly for religious regions?

[AnticorRifling]

Yeah, I don’t get the need to grief people who chose to eat the way they do.

You are basically being a huge asshole IMO.

You're right the vegan is being a huge asshole by griefing the meat eaters in the house hold by requesting their left overs spoil.

[Cephalopod]

I will concede I am an asshole.

Is it being an asshole if you only grief people who proselytize excessively about eating the way they do, though?

[Back]

If were we roommates and I mention to you that I do not shit on the living room carpet and don’t want anyone to shit on the living room carpet would you shit on the living room carpet?

[Tgo01]

If were we roommates and I mention to you that I do not shit on the living room carpet and don’t want anyone to shit on the living room carpet would you shit on the living room carpet?

Yes.

[Liagala]

So what happens if a vegan's roommate suddenly develops a conscience and steadfastly (and vocally) refuses to support the overwork and mistreatment of the immigrants who work many of these vegetable farms. They also object to the machinery running these farms and putting people out of work. Go back to page 1, re-read the letter, but substitute plant-related foods every time an animal-related one is mentioned.

What now?

[AnticorRifling]

If were we roommates and I mention to you that I do not shit on the living room carpet and don’t want anyone to shit on the living room carpet would you shit on the living room carpet?

It bothers me that dropping a dump on the floor is, in your mind, the same as being allowed to properly store your food.

[Back]

I am addressing the griefing that Nachos did. I have no idea where you are coming up with food storage issues?

And that was to illustrate a lack of common courtesy or respect not that the two things you are talking about. If I were to say to my roommate that I don’t like the smell of fried liver and they go on and fry some liver they are an asshole in my opinion.


It bothers me that dropping a dump on the floor is, in your mind, the same as being allowed to properly store your food.

[diethx]

It bothers me that dropping a dump on the floor is, in your mind, the same as being allowed to properly store your food.

Remember who you're talking to.

[CrystalTears]

I am addressing the griefing that Nachos did. I have no idea where you are coming up with food storage issues?
Because the discussion is about food, not defecating habits. Jeez bananas.

[pabstblueribbon]

I would eat a bunch of meat. Then poop on their floor.

Meat poop, that is.

[Tgo01]

And that was to illustrate a lack of common courtesy or respect not that the two things you are talking about. If I were to say to my roommate that I don’t like the smell of fried liver and they go on and fry some liver they are an asshole in my opinion.

What if fried liver just happens to be their most favorite food ever? Your wants and desires are more important than your roommates wants and desires? No wonder they are shitting on your floor.

[Back]

If two rational adults cannot communicate effectively and work out some compromise then I would suggest they find new roommates instead of harassing each other like 2 year olds.



What if fried liver just happens to be their most favorite food ever? Your wants and desires are more important than your roommates wants and desires? No wonder they are shitting on your floor.

[AnticorRifling]

I am addressing the griefing that Nachos did. I have no idea where you are coming up with food storage issues?



... she's requested that meaty leftovers not be kept in the fridge.

Yeah I've got no idea where I am coming up with food storage issues either. HURRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[WRoss]

If two rational adults cannot communicate effectively and work out some compromise then I would suggest.....

You do not get to suggest.

[diethx]

What I don't get is why this woman had to go vegan because she's keeping kosher. AFAIK, the only meat she's not allowed to eat is pork. It's not like you're in bumfuck Alabama either where kosher butchers and products are unavailable. You're in the northeast, ffs.

[Back]

Even then I do not see that request being equivalent to him using her pans to cook bacon in. Why do that when you could just find another roommate?

And to add: If she threw out his food without asking him to respect her request first, then yes, she would be the griefer.


Yeah I've got no idea where I am coming up with food storage issues either. HURRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[AnticorRifling]

Please leave your food out so if you were to dine on it at a later time you'd potentially die or it would be ruined beyond the ability to be consumed, I only ask because I'm a vegan. KK thx bff Jill

[4a6c1]

Health complications can be the cause of this craziness....Doctors thought my daughter might be extremely food allergic for about a year and a half when she was still a tiny thing. We were vegan during that time for practical reasons. Sometimes I cheated. Now I know 3 things.

1) I have never felt so physically HEALTHY as I did while I was vegan.

2)I have never missed food so much as I did while I was vegan.

3)I will never be vegan again. Cannot do it. :(

[AnticorRifling]

Health complications can be the cause of this craziness....Doctors thought my daughter might be extremely food allergic for about a year and a half when she was still a tiny thing. We were vegan during that time for practical reasons. Sometimes I cheated. Now I know 3 things.

1) I have never felt so physically HEALTHY as I did while I was vegan.

2)I have never missed food so much as I did while I was vegan.

3)I will never be vegan again. Cannot do it. :(

Nothing practical about being a vegan, unless denial is practical. SNAP.

You felt healthy because your body was starving for beef and it had to compensate by giving off endorFUNS to hide the pain of missing beef.

[Back]

Why so anti-vegan? Oh, you’re a fatass, right.




Nothing practical about being a vegan, unless denial is practical. SNAP.

You felt healthy because your body was starving for beef and it had to compensate by giving off endorFUNS to hide the pain of missing beef.

[4a6c1]

Nothing practical about being a vegan, unless denial is practical. SNAP.

You felt healthy because your body was starving for beef and it had to compensate by giving off endorFUNS to hide the pain of missing beef.

I'm using that.

Probably at the gym when I'm on the treadmill and have my music so loud in my head that GUNS AND BOMBS could not find me. And some old dude gets on the machine next to me and all I can see is him mouthing some words of strangerly conversation. I'm going to thumbs up and scream endorFUNS!!!!!

[Drew]

What I don't get is why this woman had to go vegan because she's keeping kosher. AFAIK, the only meat she's not allowed to eat is pork.

And shellfish.

[Drew]

I quote things like Backlash!!!



Why so anti-vegan? Oh, you’re a fatass, right.

[diethx]

And shellfish.

Ok. But she could eat cow, deer, other sorts of meat. Chicken, certain types of fish, etc. Also milk and other dairy products. Sounds to me like she was just using her religion as an excuse to be a bitchy vegan. I say good for you and your friend, Nachos.

[AnticorRifling]

Why so anti-vegan? Oh, you’re a fatass, right.

Awww why so anti-not being a douche? Oh, you're an alchoholic closet sperm burper, right.


See I can attempt to be, and fail at, being hurtful too.

[Showal]

Yeah what is up with that? I have seen him quote like a normal person before.


I quote things like Backlash!!!

[AnticorRifling]

Guys could you please just respect his wishes to shit on the rug?


Yeah what is up with that? I have seen him quote like a normal person before.

[Showal]

Is it unreasonable that I have specifically requested no one use my eating utensils to handle focal matter? I didn't think I was being such a non-shit eating cunt.


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[diethx]

lol


Is it unreasonable that I have specifically requested no one use my eating utensils to handle focal matter? I didn't think I was being such a non-shit eating cunt.

[Showal]

Diethx said: lol


I wonder how many ways I can incorrectly quote people and write a response - showal

[AnticorRifling]

~*<Showal said something about liking dudes and also: I wonder how many ways I can wrongifully quote persons and right a retortion, also bar fights>*~

Bob's being fucking up the quote and response process for years so you've got some catching up to do

[Showal]

~*<Showal said something about liking dudes and also: I wonder how many ways I can wrongifully quote persons and right a retortion, also bar fights>*~

Bob's being fucking up the quote and response process for years so you've got some catching up to do

I said incorrectly quote. I didn't say to use the wrong word "being" incorrectly. "Now go shit on a rug," said showal.

[4a6c1]

>Showal says, "Go shit on a rug."

[Stry]

Nothing wrong with being vegan or vegitarian if you want to be, it's when you try to impose your choices on others that people get pissed. Vegans seem to do this more often than others and if I had a roomate who wrote letters to me like that I'd tell them "to bad, if you don't like it, move out."

Two things you don't mess with are people's food or religion. People react in an oddly similiar fashion when they feel either are threatened. (along with shit stains on their carpet.)

[AnticorRifling]

Pretty much what Stry is saying. If you want to chew hay and grass and say meat is ba-ah-ah-ah-d like a sheep that's fine. Just don't glare at me or run your suck when I'm trying to eat an awesome cut of beef and then get ass sore when I return in kind.

[CrystalTears]

We love going to BBQs and asking for one of the veggie burgers, and then requesting to top it with cheese and bacon. Watch the vegans bumrush the grill yelling, "Those are mine! The cow ones are yours!"

[diethx]

What sort of self-respecting vegan would eat a veggie burger cooked on the same grill as beef burgers!??!?!

[NocturnalRob]

All I know is that Stry's avatar is awesome, as is The Shadow Rising.

[pabstblueribbon]

>Showal says, "Go shit on a rug."

With meat poop.

[Stry]

All I know is that Stry's avatar is awesome, as is The Shadow Rising.

Yeah, I love that series. I just finished The Towers of Midnight and Matrim Cauthon is definitely the source of some inspiration for Stry's attire, especially now that he uses a chainspear. :-D

Though, vegans should stay away from those books. They wouldn't appreciate it. One of the main characters (Perrin) loves ham. Oh noes!

[TheEschaton]

Why so anti-vegan? Oh, you’re a fatass, right.

Why are you so pro-vegan? Oh, you're a hipster douche, right. I won't even disrespect gay men by calling you a sperm burper like AR.

I had a girlfriend once who was vegetarian and carried around a picture of how they slaughtered pigs in her pocket to show to people. My favorite past time was eating a porkchop when she was doing this. Needless to say, it didn't last.

And she was the least obnoxious vegetarian I ever knew. I went to a vegetarian, dry wedding once. I almost died.

[BriarFox]

And she was the least obnoxious vegetarian I ever knew. I went to a vegetarian, dry wedding once. I almost died.

It doesn't sound like they were teetotalers for vegetarian reasons, but if so -- it's hard to get more vegetarian than beer. Water, yeast, hops, malt. Unless using yeast counts as killing animals ...

[Drew]

“If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.” - Jack Handy



Also, the smell of grass after you cut is actually the grass screaming for help. Thanks Vegans! (http://io9.com/5623112/the-smell-of-freshly+cut-grass-is-actually-a-plant-distress-call)

[Archigeek]

Ok. But she could eat cow, deer, other sorts of meat. Chicken, certain types of fish, etc. Also milk and other dairy products. Sounds to me like she was just using her religion as an excuse to be a bitchy vegan. I say good for you and your friend, Nachos.

Isn't anything with a split hoof out if you're kosher? In that case deer would be off the list. I think the main reason someone who's kosher would choose to be vegan is due to the separate preparation requirements. It might just be easier to forego meat than deal with two sets of untensils/pots/pans/etc.

I know a couple of vegans and the one's fairly pleasant, and it has been a very healthy diet for her. I couldn't do it myself, but she's gotten slim and trim and looking good. The other one eats vegan junk food, and junk food is junk food. If you eat crap it isn't going to matter whether there's meat in it or not.

[Back]

I’m not pro-vegan. I’m just respectful of other people, non-judgmental, and a nice guy. I’ll also mention I am very modest, good looking, hilariously funny, and filthy rich.

I am not a vegan nor a hipster or anything that resembles cool or hip. I have lived with a vegetarian and have had a kosher roommate. I had no issues with either. I did not feel the need to bring bacon into our apartment and cook it with his dairy pan and eat it on his dairy plates then clean it all up with his dairy sponge. I actually took some scissors and cut the meat sponge into an “M” and the dairy sponge into a “D” so we could tell which was which.


Why are you so pro-vegan? Oh, you're a hipster douche, right. I won't even disrespect gay men by calling you a sperm burper like AR.

[TheEschaton]

You're a raging douchebag.

[WRoss]

I’m not pro-vegan. I’m just respectful of other people, non-judgmental, and a nice guy. I’ll also mention I am very modest, good looking, hilariously funny, and filthy rich.


Though I'm pretty sure you are being sarcastic, you might not be. Quoting for posterity.

[Tgo01]

I’m not pro-vegan. I’m just respectful of other people, non-judgmental, and a nice guy. I’ll also mention I am very modest, good looking, hilariously funny, and filthy rich.

I am not a vegan nor a hipster or anything that resembles cool or hip. I have lived with a vegetarian and have had a kosher roommate. I had no issues with either. I did not feel the need to bring bacon into our apartment and cook it with his dairy pan and eat it on his dairy plates then clean it all up with his dairy sponge. I actually took some scissors and cut the meat sponge into an “M” and the dairy sponge into a “D” so we could tell which was which.

Just curious, did either of your roommates tell you not to eat any meat in the house or that you could not store any meat in the fridge?

[diethx]

Isn't anything with a split hoof out if you're kosher? In that case deer would be off the list. I think the main reason someone who's kosher would choose to be vegan is due to the separate preparation requirements. It might just be easier to forego meat than deal with two sets of untensils/pots/pans/etc.

Truthfully I had no idea, I just had never heard of deer being out of the question for any people I knew back home who kept kosher. All I knew was pork was out of the question and you had to keep meat and dairy separate.

From google:


Kosher mammals must both have cloven hooves and chew their cud. All kosher mammals are artiodactyl herbivores that can be domesticated, such as cows, goats, deer and sheep.

So I guess deer are okay?

Anyway, fine if you want to be vegan because you're too lazy to keep your dairy and meat separate, that's fine. Don't be a cunt though and tell your roommate that because you're too lazy to clean two pots and pans, that they have to suffer.

[Stanley Burrell]

I need the Butcher from Diablo's "Ah, fresh meat" as my ringtone now.

[Eoghain]

I have a friend whose room-mate is a kosher Jew, and basically a vegan because of it. She insists on separate cookware and dishes, and she's requested that meaty leftovers not be kept in the fridge.

This, of course, means that we have cooked bacon in the vegan-only cookware and that leftover burgers frequently sit in the fridge until they are fed to the dog, so he can drag them around the shared living room.

Now, to ask the PC: would this be considered a hate-crime because she's a vegan mostly for religious regions?

I used to work for the largest orthodox kosher food regulating company on the planet. I ate bacon in my office. It was delicious.

Your friend's roommate's religion has nothing to do with her veganism. Kashrus (kosherness) dictates that you cannot eat any animal that has a split hoof and doesn't chew its cud. (or some arcane shit I can't remember). This means that cows and chickens are totally delicious and can be eaten, but pigs and shellfish are not allowed. The separate dishes is to maintain that milk products don't taint meat products and vice versa. It has nothing to do with not eating animals and everything to do with separating out meat and dairy to be consumed separately, because the bible says not to cook animals in the milk of their mother.

Her veganism has nothing to do with Judaism. If she were a Jain or a buddhist, then I could understand.

This completes your random religious education for the week. Go fap.

[Eoghain]

Why are you so pro-vegan? Oh, you're a hipster douche, right. I won't even disrespect gay men by calling you a sperm burper like AR.


Thanks for that.
-Gay Men.
*burp*

[NocturnalRob]

Why so anti-vegan? Oh, you’re a fatass, right.

I’m just respectful of other people, non-judgmental, and a nice guy. I’ll also mention I am very modest, good looking, hilariously funny, and filthy rich.
You are so far beyond caricature it's scary.

[Back]

Whats scary is how seriously some people take themselves on a message board. Well, not scary, just... really?


You are so far beyond caricature it's scary.

[NocturnalRob]

Whats scary is how seriously some people take themselves on a message board. Well, not scary, just... really?
So far beyond

[diethx]

So far beyond

x2

[Parkbandit]

Whats scary is how seriously some people take themselves on a message board. Well, not scary, just... really?

Not sure that seriously is worse than someone having no sense of reality at all:


I’m not pro-vegan. I’m just respectful of other people, non-judgmental, and a nice guy. I’ll also mention I am very modest, good looking, hilariously funny, and filthy rich.


http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/belike53/back3.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/belike53/CreepyBacklash.jpg

[Hulkein]

I went to a vegetarian, dry wedding once. I almost died.

I think you did in fact die and visit hell and were luckily revived. My God that sounds terrible.

[Cephalopod]

I used to work for the largest orthodox kosher food regulating company on the planet. I ate bacon in my office. It was delicious.

Your friend's roommate's religion has nothing to do with her veganism. Kashrus (kosherness) dictates that you cannot eat any animal that has a split hoof and doesn't chew its cud. (or some arcane shit I can't remember). This means that cows and chickens are totally delicious and can be eaten, but pigs and shellfish are not allowed. The separate dishes is to maintain that milk products don't taint meat products and vice versa. It has nothing to do with not eating animals and everything to do with separating out meat and dairy to be consumed separately, because the bible says not to cook animals in the milk of their mother.

Her veganism has nothing to do with Judaism. If she were a Jain or a buddhist, then I could understand.

This completes your random religious education for the week. Go fap.

To be fair, I've hardly ever cared that much about the roommate and I never see her; I just hear the tales of woe about how no meat can be around. Thanks for the info, though, that's intriguing.

And I shall now fap.

[NocturnalRob]

Veganism and other weird-ass eating habits, be they religious or retarded in nature, are among the many reasons why I haven't had a roommate since I was 23...oh so many years ago.

And I shall now fap.
This is another.

[Sam]

What's wrong with not eating and enslaving animals?

[NocturnalRob]

What's wrong with not eating and enslaving animals?
You're doing it in the wrong order.

[Drew]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/backwardhatclub/meatismurder.jpg

[Rucca]

Vegans let the gas loose. Just sayin.

http://i.imgur.com/Emu5i.gif

[Kuyuk]

Vegans let the gas loose. Just sayin.

http://i.imgur.com/Emu5i.gif

This is true.

When I lived with the ex, she was vegan, and I made our own soymilk and tofu..

Come to find out I'm intolerant to soy, so for about 4 years I had the nastiest raunchiest fucking gas anyone in the world could imagine come out of a human, and she had to suffer.... because she was a vegan.


She kept trying to tell me it was dairy that I was intolerant to.

LIES.

One of the few great stories I have to tell about my ex. EAT THAT.

But seriously. That gas would dissolve chairs and steel benches.

[Warriorbird]

The militant ones get to me due to the farming practices that produce much of their food.

[Kuyuk]

The militant ones get to me due to the farming practices that produce much of their food.

Or the ones that dont know that tons of chicken shit, cow shit and pig shit are covering their food for fertilizer?

[Rucca]

Or the ones that dont know that tons of chicken shit, cow shit and pig shit are covering their food for fertilizer?

Yes, our food shits on their food.

[Gnome Rage]

My best friend in HS was a vegetarian, and she told me (no matter what I ate) that it smelled like cat food and I was disgusting.

I wanted to punch her in the face the day I brought in ribs.

[Tgo01]

My best friend in HS was a vegetarian, and she told me (no matter what I ate) that it smelled like cat food and I was disgusting.

I wanted to punch her in the face the day I brought in ribs.

That story disappointed me, I thought one day you were going to bring cat food in.

[diethx]

Letter from vegan to... 07-08-2011 09:50 PM Learn what the fuck you're talking about. Meat does not mix with dairy in the strict kosher. Therefore all the shit that has dairy cant be with anything with meat. So if you take away dairy product, meat product, pork products, you're left with veg

I got that rep in response to this post:


What I don't get is why this woman had to go vegan because she's keeping kosher. AFAIK, the only meat she's not allowed to eat is pork. It's not like you're in bumfuck Alabama either where kosher butchers and products are unavailable. You're in the northeast, ffs.

Congrats on leaving a rep comment so stupid that I will actually respond to it. Just because you can't cook dairy with meat doesn't mean you have to be completely vegan and avoid both. You just can't cook them together. Learn to comprehend English, you daft cuntrag.

[Alfster]

http://www.yelp.com/topic/san-francisco-vegan-fellatio-vegan-breastfeeding

The age old questions. Vegan fellatio and vegan breastfeeding.

[Archigeek]

From Wikipedia:


The word vegan... was originally derived from "vegetarian" in 1944 when Elsie Shrigley and Donald Watson, frustrated that the term "vegetarianism" had come to include the eating of dairy products, founded the UK Vegan Society. They combined the first three and last two letters of vegetarian to form "vegan", which they saw as "the beginning and end of vegetarian"

So they took out etari and came up with vegan. Who knew. If they'd taken out Atari... now that'd be a whole different world of hate. It'd be on like donkey kong.

[phantasm]

I would make that vegan's life miserable... like drying my home-made sausage, hams and jerky in the living room. I would rent some heads of dead animals and totally redecorate in a safari theme. It would look similar to this:

http://media.caller.com/media/img/photos/2011/05/13/420110513082847001_t607.JPG

That lion is awesome. Is there taxidermist in Kenya?

[Paradii]

I got an email the other day from a a potential graduate student looking for a place to live, and in the first three lines she mentioned that she was a "non-pushy vegan."


I deleted the email, I don't like dishonest vegans.

[DrZaius]

Oh boy... Dare I post in this thread, and open the floodgates? It's a pretty slow afternoon. I'm a vegan.
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljcgjpv9cL1qb6v80o1_500.jpg

[Rucca]

OH NOOO!!! HALP!!!

http://i.imgur.com/K3rMw.jpg

[TheEschaton]

No one cares if you're a vegan, as long as you let us eat our meat when and where we want to.

[Tgo01]

Oh boy... Dare I post in this thread, and open the floodgates? It's a pretty slow afternoon. I'm a vegan.

Do you push your beliefs onto others or just randomly mention to people that you're a vegan? Oh wait...

I don't get that part either. I love a nice, juicy rare steak, but I don't go around telling people "Hey, I love juicy rare steaks, how 'bout that?" I'd probably get punched in the face if I told that to a guy but why do vegans feel the need to tell everyone they're a vegan? I can obviously understand if someone offers you a hamburger but when my cousin decided to become vegan she just told everyone, like we had to be concerned it was contagious or something so if we cherished our porkchops we had better stay away from her.

[Sam]

People are irritating in general. Don't attribute it to diet.

[DrZaius]

My problem is that I get lumped in with the jackasses like the one who wrote the letter. I need a new name for whatever I'm doing; "vegan" is a dirty word in America.

[Latrinsorm]

No one cares if you're a vegan, as long as you let us eat our meat when and where we want to.And poop on your floor.
Do you push your beliefs onto others or just randomly mention to people that you're a vegan? Oh wait...

I don't get that part either. I love a nice, juicy rare steak, but I don't go around telling people "Hey, I love juicy rare steaks, how 'bout that?" I'd probably get punched in the face if I told that to a guy but why do vegans feel the need to tell everyone they're a vegan? I can obviously understand if someone offers you a hamburger but when my cousin decided to become vegan she just told everyone, like we had to be concerned it was contagious or something so if we cherished our porkchops we had better stay away from her.Do you tend to have family gatherings, especially where food is served? Do these tend to have vegan options beyond hot dog rolls? Perhaps there is your answer.

[Sam]

100% of the vegans you've heard vocalizing their veganism have been vegans, but they are hardly representative of all vegans.

I only ever use that label because it's more convenient than having a one minute conversation about my diet where I ultimately reveal the same information without proclaiming to be a "vegan"... Most of the time I just say I don't eat animals.. It's inconsiderate.

I also don't typically bring up my diet unless I'm asked.

I generally agree with this thread, but the same could be said about any non-mainstream group of people trying to recruit you to their cool club so they can feel correct. coughchristerscough

edit: yes my first sentence is odd, but i'm leaving it there!

[Tgo01]

Do you tend to have family gatherings, especially where food is served? Do these tend to have vegan options beyond hot dog rolls? Perhaps there is your answer.

No family gatherings. I hadn't even talked to this cousin of mine in about a year yet she felt the need to tell me she was now a vegan.

[diethx]

100% of the vegans you've heard vocalizing their veganism have been vegans, but they are hardly representative of all vegans.

I only ever use that label because it's more convenient than having a one minute conversation about my diet where I ultimately reveal the same information without proclaiming to be a "vegan"... Most of the time I just say I don't eat animals.. It's inconsiderate.

I also don't typically bring up my diet unless I'm asked.

I generally agree with this thread, but the same could be said about any non-mainstream group of people trying to recruit you to their cool club so they can feel correct. coughchristerscough

edit: yes my first sentence is odd, but i'm leaving it there!

I thought you ate meat and just your wife was vegan? Weird...

I totally agree on the bible thumpers though, they're worse.

[Danical]

I get that we're supposed to have 'evolved' or 'progressed' as a species but I can't help thinking about what would happen to the ideology of those people if we were forced, somehow, into a reality wherein it was pre-agrarian; I'm feeling a new gameshow coming on!

[Back]

BBC did that years ago. I forget what the show was called. They would set people up in situations similar to how people lived in the past. Was pretty cool.


I get that we're supposed to have 'evolved' or 'progressed' as a species but I can't help thinking about what would happen to the ideology of those people if we were forced, somehow, into a reality wherein it was pre-agrarian; I'm feeling a new gameshow coming on!

[Jayvn]

http://mrwickedproductions.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/scott-pilgrim-vs-the-world-vegan.jpg

[Malok]

I've never dealt with a vegan that didn't totally fucking irritate me. If I have, it's because they didn't let me know that they're vegan, but I don't believe that any of them shut the fuck up about it long enough for it to not be public knowledge.


QFT.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/672/vegansupportfail.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/vegansupportfail.jpg/)

[Sam]

While making fun of minorities is always fun, it's pretty obvious that that it's harder for people with less standard diets to meet those with similar eating habits. Also I think this thread clearly shows that people aren't generally supportive of unique diets, as though it's a threat to their own shitty eating habits and lack of discipline. So posting a flyer to find fellow vegans doesn't really seem that absurd to me.

Granted, I'm not one to seek like minded people to hang out with and pretty much stay at home all the time and talk to you assholes.

I honestly see more bitching about veganism/vegans than I see people promoting it. Of course I also live in Georgia.

I've never been real into food though... more of a eat to live, than live to eat kinda person. I could probably survive on peanut butter sandwiches for a good while and not complain. Also, if I didn't have my wife preparing 90% of my meals I'd probably be a vegetarian, but too lazy/tempted to skip the cheese.

I can't expect more from the PC really, but a lot of people here are pretty smart, so I don't understand the need to bash a diet that's obviously better for personal health and the health of the environment.

[Tgo01]

I can't expect more from the PC really, but a lot of people here are pretty smart, so I don't understand the need to bash a diet that's obviously better for personal health and the health of the environment.

You're right a lot of people are probably being unfair in lumping all vegans together, the fanatics and the ones who just enjoy the diet without the need to preach to others. But you have to admit some (most?) vegans take it a bit far. I think it's the ones who act as if eating animals is some sort of monstrosity, like it's some sort of recent human desire to eat animals and we only do it to piss them off.

[Sam]

I dislike most people, but I try to do it on an individual basis. My wife is much more of an "activist" than me (which isn't saying much) and we clash as a result sometimes. She has an actual passion and concern for animal rights, where I'm practically a nihilist.

The way I see it, -and this view has solidified the longer I've avoided animal products- it's really just inconsiderate to treat other beings so cruelly, but our culture makes it an easy thing to ignore.. Sure you can argue that plants are alive and what about cockroaches, etc.., but it doesn't change the fact that millions of animals, that you honestly know are capable of the same emotions that humans have, are bred and forced to live in shitty conditions solely for greed and gluttony..

I don't mean to get preachy.. trust me, I hate that shit. But seriously, animals are fucking tortured.. They are not that much unlike your pets.. they don't have complex thoughts, but you can't say that they don't feel sad the same way we do..

If you want to get all high and mighty about how you eat what you want and shit where you want, that's great.. Go hunting and watch the animal die, and clean it up, and then eat it. I have respect for hunters in that regard, and I bet they actually have more of a respect for their food.

That being said, I don't care about being thrown in a pre-agrarian society... Obviously I would eat what was available, but the fact of the matter is we do not NEED to keep eating meat, so why not err on the ethical side?

I hate hippies and niggers as much as the next guy, but come on..

[Bobmuhthol]

If you wanted to be able to feed everyone with only plants, and also keep animals alive, everything about the food industry would be different. It would also be extremely less efficient. Please don't tell me that everyone should adopt veganism due to its environmental benefits, because it's absolutely untrue.

[Tgo01]

As soon as scientists create a vegetable that tastes exactly like baby back ribs I'll give up meat.

[diethx]

but the fact of the matter is we do not NEED to keep eating meat, so why not err on the ethical side?

Because meat is fucking delicious. Duh.

[Sam]

If you wanted to be able to feed everyone with only plants, and also keep animals alive, everything about the food industry would be different. It would also be extremely less efficient. Please don't tell me that everyone should adopt veganism due to its environmental benefits, because it's absolutely untrue.

Alright little kid. I don't care about keeping every single animal alive. The ones that are bred and raised solely for slaughter would be better off dead permanently. To breed an animal with the intent of keeping it confined and only healthy enough for its eventual slaughter and consumption is, in my opinion, very cruel and not necessary. Please inform me on how it would be less efficient to grow crops for human consumption instead of considerably more crops to feed animals meant for human consumption.


I understand that people love bacon. I have eaten plenty of bacon and agree that it's delicious, and soy bacon, or any meat analogues for that matter, are not comparable.

[Bobmuhthol]

Please inform me on how it would be less efficient to grow crops for human consumption instead of considerably more crops to feed animals meant for human consumption.

Do you think it presently takes more resources to feed an additional human entirely with vegetables or entirely with meat?

[TheEschaton]

I don't think there's a de facto ethical problem with eating animals, and vegans seem to espouse that there is. I agree there's ethical problems in the food industry re: cruelty, but that doesn't make eating meat as an act in and of itself cruel.

In other words, if every beef producer in the world treated and slaughtered their animals humanely, would the vegan philosophy implode? With all the arguments I hear, it should, but the thing is, the more strident vegans think any killing of animals is wrong, which is just silly.

[Drakefang]

In other words, if every beef producer in the world treated and slaughtered their animals humanely, would the vegan philosophy implode? With all the arguments I hear, it should, but the thing is, the more strident vegans think any killing of animals is wrong, which is just silly.

It's even sillier when they go buy $500 shoes and $300 handbag made from the skin of what I am eating for lunch.

[Sam]

Do you think it presently takes more resources to feed an additional human entirely with vegetables or entirely with meat?

Are you implying that a human could live on solely meat and water without considerable nutritional deficiencies?

[Bobmuhthol]

No, so I'll make my point very clear: do you think it presently takes more resources to feed an additional human with a "typical" diet or an all-vegetable diet?

[Sam]

I don't think there's a de facto ethical problem with eating animals, and vegans seem to espouse that there is. I agree there's ethical problems in the food industry re: cruelty, but that doesn't make eating meat as an act in and of itself cruel.

In other words, if every beef producer in the world treated and slaughtered their animals humanely, would the vegan philosophy implode? With all the arguments I hear, it should, but the thing is, the more strident vegans think any killing of animals is wrong, which is just silly.

I don't know what the "vegan philosophy" is, but I do tend to think that less animals dying is better than more animals dying.

[Sam]

No, so I'll make my point very clear: do you think it presently takes more resources to feed an additional human with a "typical" diet or an all-vegetable diet?

If by presently you mean with current land allocations, trade arrangements, and other current economic/logistical factors, then I don't know.

I do however think that if the demand for meat for human consumption were to lessen, global resources would be saved overall.

[DrZaius]

I could give two shits about animals. I try to avoid eating them because it's better for my heart. If I "push" veganism on friends it's because they're fatasses and they're eating themselves into an early grave. But I don't really, I just keep my mouth shut and eat my food, and let them eat theirs. "Dietary" veganism is very different from "ethical" veganism; that's why I think I need a new term for it.

EDIT: In my experience, the 'pushy' vegans are the ethical ones; same as people who are pushy about religion. If I 'push' veganism, I don't see it as any different from advocating a diet, be it Atkins or the Jenny Craig or whatever.

-DrZ

[Bobmuhthol]

You're absolutely correct: less meat consumption would be more efficient, but no meat consumption wouldn't. Veganism has no real benefits that aren't psychological.

[TheEschaton]

I could give two shits about animals. I try to avoid eating them because it's better for my heart. If I "push" veganism on friends it's because they're fatasses and they're eating themselves into an early grave. But I don't really, I just keep my mouth shut and eat my food, and let them eat theirs. "Dietary" veganism is very different from "ethical" veganism; that's why I think I need a new term for it.

EDIT: In my experience, the 'pushy' vegans are the ethical ones; same as people who are pushy about religion. If I 'push' veganism, I don't see it as any different from advocating a diet, be it Atkins or the Jenny Craig or whatever.

-DrZ

Again, that's cultural. You can be a perfectly healthy omnivore. Health does not REQUIRE you to cut out meat. Hell, even religious nuts are so pushy because they thing you REQUIRE saving to get into heaven, even if that idea is deluded. Are you saying the "dietary vegan" mantra is that good health requires no animal products? In case the implication is lost, I'm comparing that absurd idea to the religious nuts believing you are required to be saved to get into heaven.

[DrZaius]

You're absolutely correct: less meat consumption would be more efficient, but no meat consumption wouldn't. Veganism has no real benefits that aren't psychological.

http://www.thechinastudy.com/ ?

[DrZaius]

Again, that's cultural. You can be a perfectly healthy omnivore. Health does not REQUIRE you to cut out meat. Hell, even religious nuts are so pushy because they thing you REQUIRE saving to get into heaven, even if that idea is deluded. Are you saying the "dietary vegan" mantra is that good health requires no animal products? In case the implication is lost, I'm comparing that absurd idea to the religious nuts believing you are required to be saved to get into heaven.

I'm not sure we disagree. I'd say the majority of Americans aren't eating like 'healthy' omnivores. In the 1800s, there weren't nearly as many fat people as there are today. Why? Because people ate meat what, twice a year? twice a month? once a week? Not everyday, at the very least. Cutting back more than cutting out, I guess is my point.

-DrZ

EDIT: Bees are natural slaves.

[Bobmuhthol]

http://www.thechinastudy.com/ ?

I don't understand your point, aside from that being the VegNews Book of the Year ( ... ). I didn't feel like reading a ton of propaganda to find out if it said "the best diet includes ABSOLUTELY NO products that are derived from animals AT ALL" but if it did it should be burned.

[DrZaius]

I don't understand your point, aside from that being the VegNews Book of the Year ( ... ). I didn't feel like reading a ton of propaganda to find out if it said "the best diet includes ABSOLUTELY NO products that are derived from animals AT ALL" but if it did it should be burned.

It was just a flippant response. The premise (as I understand it) is that they basically pointed out that by studying people in China who had next to no incidence of diabetes, heart disease, and very little cancer, they for the most part ate almost exclusively vegetarian diets. I am sure there are significantly more informed and clearer links/articles, but I was lazy.

-DrZ

[diethx]

I don't know what the "vegan philosophy" is, but I do tend to think that less animals dying is better than more animals dying.

Circle of life, mothafuckaaaaaa. (In my head, that sounded like the little Chinese guy from the Hangover.)


I'm not sure we disagree. I'd say the majority of Americans aren't eating like 'healthy' omnivores. In the 1800s, there weren't nearly as many fat people as there are today. Why? Because people ate meat what, twice a year? twice a month? once a week? Not everyday, at the very least. Cutting back more than cutting out, I guess is my point.

-DrZ

EDIT: Bees are natural slaves.

That's not because people are eating more meat, but more because of the invention of fast food and people who can't control portion sizes.

[Jayvn]

if we were supposed to be vegan OR muslim then bacon wouldn't taste so incredibly fucking delicious...

[DrZaius]

if we were supposed to be vegan OR muslim then bacon wouldn't taste so incredibly fucking delicious...

I'm not saying you're supposed to be vegan. Bacon *is* delicious. It's probably not healthy to eat it everyday, so I chose not to.

[Jayvn]

pretty sure those nomadic native americans were killing meat and eating it... don't remember too many stories about fat indians chasing down buffalo

[Jayvn]

the reason people are fatter now than in the 1800s is because of sedentary jobs... no one gets off their fat ass to 'work'.. aside from lumberjacks and uh.. other lumberjacks

[DrZaius]

pretty sure those nomadic native americans were killing meat and eating it... don't remember too many stories about fat indians chasing down buffalo

Indians being famous for eating a buffalo every day for dinner... Oh wait.. I agree with the sedentary lifestyle though. That's certainly contributing. There's lots of evidence of red meat causing heart disease. Really though. Eat what you want. I don't care, at all. I'm saying I chose to avoid it.

-DrZ

[diethx]

Indians being famous for eating a buffalo every day for dinner... Oh wait.. I agree with the sedentary lifestyle though. That's certainly contributing. There's lots of evidence of red meat causing heart disease. Really though. Eat what you want. I don't care, at all. I'm saying I chose to avoid it.

-DrZ

Chicken and fish too, thank goodness you're a veg so you can stay away from those baaaa-aaaa-aaaad things.

[Jaimaltz]

Being a vegan has nothing whatsoever to do with diabetes. You're either born with it or get it through excess sugar, simple carbs (which quickly break down into sugar), heavily processed foods, and lack of exercise.

This of course means avoiding candy, ice cream, pastries, breads, pastas, sodas, etc. They taste good, but they're not doing you any favors.

Meat contains hardly any sugar. A diet of minimally processed meats, (preferably raw) nuts, vegetables and low sugar fruits can prevent/reverse insulin resistance and will restore one of the natural functions of your liver - converting stored fats into usable energy in a consistent way that avoids sugar spikes and insulin resistance.

Screw vegans, steak and bacon for the win.


There's lots of evidence of red meat causing heart disease.

In men mostly, and it's only because of all the iron in red meat (men almost always build up a lot more iron than women). Not being a selfish asshole and donating blood a few times a year will easily keep the iron under control.

[Delias]

I have to say that I don't mind vegans if they are doing it for some sort of valid dietary reasons. The ones who do it for moral reasons require an education on what is and is not considered living. The only difference between killing and eating an animal and killing and eating a plant is that animals have a sporting chance to run away.

[Cephalopod]

I have to say that I don't mind vegans if they are doing it for some sort of valid dietary reasons. The ones who do it for moral reasons require an education on what is and is not considered living. The only difference between killing and eating an animal and killing and eating a plant is that animals have a sporting chance to run away.

Not that delicious veal that's been in a cage since it was born... oh, god, I'm hungry right now.

[EasternBrand]

Tonight I convinced a friend of mine who has become a pescaterian to dine with me. I ordered chicken skin and hearts, beef tongue, and, as a concession to his new path of vegetal discovery, asparagus wrapped in bacon. I consider this to be a good influence.

Oh, I hope no one has posted this already: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9FRSghXhDM ("Lettuce is good." "No, it's not.")

[Sean]

I may never be able to eat a big mac again.

[Delias]

I leave work in 30 minutes, and I believe I shall be getting a breakfast whopper. I believe this is relevant to this thread.

[Sam]

I have to say that I don't mind vegans if they are doing it for some sort of valid dietary reasons. The ones who do it for moral reasons require an education on what is and is not considered living. The only difference between killing and eating an animal and killing and eating a plant is that animals have a sporting chance to run away.


I don't think it's really as cut and dry as that. I don't understand how the morality of not eating meat is related to plants being alive. It's not about "life" for me, it's more about obvious and unnecessary suffering of animals that don't have a sporting chance to run away. We can speculate on the complexity of bovine emotions, but through simple observation I think it's obvious that all mammals suffer similarly in adverse conditions. Since I feel that I can help alleviate this suffering by simply having a non-standard diet, I choose to do so. Other people love the bacon too much, I get it. For me personally, it's not hard to abstain.

[diethx]

Other people love the bacon too much, I get it. For me personally, it's not hard to abstain.

You say that as though those of us who eat bacon do it because we don't have the strength to break away from the tasty goodness. As if we would even want to.

[Alfster]

I don't think it's really as cut and dry as that. I don't understand how the morality of not eating meat is related to plants being alive. It's not about "life" for me, it's more about obvious and unnecessary suffering of animals that don't have a sporting chance to run away. We can speculate on the complexity of bovine emotions, but through simple observation I think it's obvious that all mammals suffer similarly in adverse conditions. Since I feel that I can help alleviate this suffering by simply having a non-standard diet, I choose to do so. Other people love the bacon too much, I get it. For me personally, it's not hard to abstain.

This points out the majority of reasons why I hate Vegans. Thanks for the quote.

[Back]

Did you know that the correct term for processing cattle into food is called “harvesting”?

That veganism or even vegetarianism is considered “counter culture” or is a dirty word in America is fucking retarded. I’ll bet 90% of the people who think so are either fat-asses or have no brain of their own.

If we were are going to be uptight about diets we would not live in a country of “super size”, blue cheese smothered steaks, KFC double downs, and all the other exteme fat-ass concoctions. Put the ice cream down fatty!

[diethx]

Put the ice cream down fatty!

Check it out - Backrash is talking to himself again.

[Bobmuhthol]

I have never become fat after eating a Double Down.

[LMingrone]

It's just annoying to be around people that have to preach about their choice of diet. I do respect them for being able to stick to their plans, good for them. I have a few vegans in my family and they are just a pain in the ass to ever have at any family function. Always so righteous. Trying to make me feel guilty about eating a steak. They're worse than the Jovas sometimes!

Time to go "harvest" some water.

[pabstblueribbon]

You say that as though those of us who eat bacon do it because we don't have the strength to break away from the tasty goodness. As if we would even want to.

In their native environment, pigs are total assholes. Just look at the feral hog problem plaguing the south. It's spreading pretty bad.

Do your part in the fight; eat bacon.

[Sam]

You say that as though those of us who eat bacon do it because we don't have the strength to break away from the tasty goodness. As if we would even want to.

I wasn't trying to imply that I have superior willpower, as that's hardly the case. I just meant that for me it's not much of a challenge, since food's not a very big deal to me. I guess I'm just used to pointing that out because upon learning that I don't eat meat, most people ask if it's really difficult or if I miss it.

I do crave meat on occasion, but oddly it's never anything like a gourmet steak. Only shit like jack in the box tacos and chicken mcnuggets.

[Back]

The one major problem with the east coast is that there are no Jack in the cracks.


I wasn't trying to imply that I have superior willpower, as that's hardly the case. I just meant that for me it's not much of a challenge, since food's not a very big deal to me. I guess I'm just used to pointing that out because upon learning that I don't eat meat, most people ask if it's really difficult or if I miss it.

I do crave meat on occasion, but oddly it's never anything like a gourmet steak. Only shit like jack in the box tacos and chicken mcnuggets.

[diethx]

I wasn't trying to imply that I have superior willpower, as that's hardly the case. I just meant that for me it's not much of a challenge, since food's not a very big deal to me. I guess I'm just used to pointing that out because upon learning that I don't eat meat, most people ask if it's really difficult or if I miss it.

I do crave meat on occasion, but oddly it's never anything like a gourmet steak. Only shit like jack in the box tacos and chicken mcnuggets.

No one asked you that though, I don't think? You just implied that everyone feels the same as you in regards to worrying about animals being slaughtered/farmed/whatever and we like bacon too much to quit it. I guess what I'm saying is, I don't really care for the idea of animal torture, but I don't think about it when I'm eating steak, chicken or bacon. It's not that big of a deal to me.

[Latrinsorm]

Sure you can argue that plants are alive and what about cockroaches, etc.., but it doesn't change the fact that millions of animals, that you honestly know are capable of the same emotions that humans have, are bred and forced to live in shitty conditions solely for greed and gluttony.. For the record, chickens are assholes and deserve everything that happens to them. Turkeys are probably the same way, so turkey bacon/sausage should be permissible under an unjustifiable-cruelty free diet, Bob's your uncle, and that's kind of weird because he hasn't even graduated high school yet.
It's just annoying to be around people that have to preach about their choice of diet.Does this apply to the vegans or the anti-vegans in this thread?

[Latrinsorm]

In their native environment, pigs are total assholes. Just look at the feral hog problem plaguing the south. It's spreading pretty bad.

Do your part in the fight; eat bacon.Domesticated/farm pigs are extremely well-behaved. The South screwed something up - shocker.

[diethx]

Domesticated/farm pigs are extremely well-behaved. The South screwed something up - shocker.

They should've painted their toenails and put rainbow socks on them.

[LMingrone]

Does this apply to the vegans or the anti-vegans in this thread?

Both.

[Sam]

No one asked you that though, I don't think? You just implied that everyone feels the same as you in regards to worrying about animals being slaughtered/farmed/whatever and we like bacon too much to quit it. I guess what I'm saying is, I don't really care for the idea of animal torture, but I don't think about it when I'm eating steak, chicken or bacon. It's not that big of a deal to me.


I don't think anyone asked me here, it's pretty common amongst co-workers, family, etc..

I suppose you could say I implied that most people are against animal torture, as you even acknowledged that you are. Let me clarify by saying I think most people's concern for animal welfare is outweighed by their enjoyment of consuming animal products..

edit:


everyone feels the same as you in regards to worrying about animals being slaughtered/farmed/whatever and we like bacon too much to quit it

isn't that just another way of saying

I don't really care for the idea of animal torture, but I don't think about it when I'm eating steak, chicken or bacon. It's not that big of a deal to me.

[diethx]

Let me clarify by saying I think most people's concern for animal welfare is outweighed by their enjoyment of consuming animal products..

Okay, fair enough. I can agree with that.

[diethx]

edit:

No not really, because I don't believe that every single animal I eat has been tortured.

[pabstblueribbon]

Domesticated/farm pigs are extremely well-behaved. The South screwed something up - shocker.

Feral pigs ARE domesticated/farm pigs that have escaped into the wild. Once in the wild they.. regress, they start growing hair and tusks. True story.

[Gnome Rage]

I know a few vegetarians and vegans who have no problem with others eating meat, and if they do they don't say anything. Regardless of their reasons for not eating it (animal abuse, health reasons etc) they keep their mouth shut because they don't feel this overwhelming need to shove their opinion down the throats of people who don't think like them.

I like those vegetarians.

[Latrinsorm]

They should've painted their toenails and put rainbow socks on them.I draw the line at lipstick.
Feral pigs ARE domesticated/farm pigs that have escaped into the wild. Once in the wild they.. regress, they start growing hair and tusks. True story.They should pass some kind of law so that anyone who finds an escaped pig has to return it to its master.
I know a few vegetarians and vegans who have no problem with others eating meat, and if they do they don't say anything. Regardless of their reasons for not eating it (animal abuse, health reasons etc) they keep their mouth shut because they don't feel this overwhelming need to shove their opinion down the throats of people who don't think like them.

I like those vegetarians.Your saying animal abuse reminded me of that story you told about some pet being declawed without anesthesia, or something. I think it's an interesting contrast, given that nobody accused Showal of "shoving [his] opinion down the throats of people who don't think like [him]".

[TheEschaton]

Here's the thing: animals aren't humans. Do they feel pain? Of course. But do we berate lions for causing antelopes pain? Of course not. And I bet being ripped to shreds by a mothafuckin' lion is much more harsh than getting a rod driven into the back of your brain before you even know what's ha ppening. It's the way of nature, the food chain, etc. The simple fact of the matter is, animals are lower on the food chain than us. If they want to escape them being slaughtered for our own consumption, they best evolve into super-animals, imo.

Now, maybe you think as humans, we "should know better," and be more sensitive to these things. The thing is, I think we have evolved in our thinking in re: the slaughter of animals. As long as we are not being deliberately cruel (and this involves more than just penning animals up for their lives, since that has stretched back for thousands of years), I don't think there can be a moral condemnation of the slaughter of animals that we are evolutionarily superior to.

[Showal]

Your saying animal abuse reminded me of that story you told about some pet being declawed without anesthesia, or something. I think it's an interesting contrast, given that nobody accused Showal of "shoving [his] opinion down the throats of people who don't think like [him]".

It was having their teeth removed and I believe I apologized!

Yes, I just checked. I apologized.


Sorry. I'm just sensitive about pain management since its kinda my job. Some cats can get bad teeth to the point where they can easily be removed and I'm sure the procedure went well. I just think some degree of pain management is still required for dental extraction. Yeah but I shouldn't have come down on you like it was your fault.

You're right though, the contrast is interesting. I think people take a lot of offense to comments about something like their diet than to something like a vet procedure because ... well, I don't know.

I know that I have a different diet than most people and I get criticized all the time for it.

One of the main problems with judging different diets is that there's not much strong science behind nutrition studies. The studies are incredibly difficult to organize with any sort of elegance. Most people rely on how their diet makes the feel to tell them what's right but self reporting isn't generally reliable.

At the heart of it, the human body is amazingly resilient. You can eat a absolutely awful diet and still feel pretty good, or at least you think you do. I have a belief that most people are operating at about 80% of what they could if they were to change their diet. The problem? 80% feels pretty fucking good and most people don't believe that there is any need to change.

I don't know. I don't think I've got it all down right. I'm sure there are flaws with how I eat. I'm like most other people, though. I eat what I believe to be what's right for my health. My shits are solid, I feel good, so hey, I must be doing something right. Right?

[Delias]

I don't know how we got on cats, but for the record pussy is delicious.

[CrystalTears]

Your saying animal abuse reminded me of that story you told about some pet being declawed without anesthesia, or something. I think it's an interesting contrast, given that nobody accused Showal of "shoving [his] opinion down the throats of people who don't think like [him]".Because the animal is a pet you're caring for, and have made part of your family. You don't want the animal to suffer, just like you wouldn't want anyone in your family to suffer.

It's harder to butcher and eat a pet, especially one you've named. I know I couldn't do it. I remember my best friend's father used to have rabbits. My friend had named them and would play with them. His father would say "don't get attached to them" and my friend would shrug and not think twice about it. One day he came home to a rabbit dinner. "I told you not to get attached. They weren't your pets, they were my dinners."

[Sam]

As long as we are not being deliberately cruel (and this involves more than just penning animals up for their lives, since that has stretched back for thousands of years), I don't think there can be a moral condemnation of the slaughter of animals that we are evolutionarily superior to.

It wouldn't be the first time that common practices extending over thousands of years were later deemed immoral.

[Warriorbird]

Did you know that the correct term for processing cattle into food is called “harvesting”?

That veganism or even vegetarianism is considered “counter culture” or is a dirty word in America is fucking retarded. I’ll bet 90% of the people who think so are either fat-asses or have no brain of their own.

If we were are going to be uptight about diets we would not live in a country of “super size”, blue cheese smothered steaks, KFC double downs, and all the other exteme fat-ass concoctions. Put the ice cream down fatty!

So how about those alcohol calories...

[Delias]

I have a recipe somewhere for wine made from deer blood... does that count?

[AnticorRifling]

What do tigers dream of when they take a tiger snooze?

[diethx]

So how about those alcohol calories...

lol

[Atlanteax]

This thread made me hungry.

I'm gonna go to Burger King for a Triple Whopper (plain).

[Atlanteax]

You are so far beyond caricature it's scary.

I took a stab at the caricature...

http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc459/Atlanteax/Backlash.jpg

[Stry]

What do tigers dream of when they take a tiger snooze?

http://s1.hubimg.com/u/2649804_f520.jpg

Just FYI...


...proof that Hobbes was tigernapped by Mike Tyson.

[Latrinsorm]

Because the animal is a pet you're caring for, and have made part of your family. You don't want the animal to suffer, just like you wouldn't want anyone in your family to suffer.

It's harder to butcher and eat a pet, especially one you've named. I know I couldn't do it. I remember my best friend's father used to have rabbits. My friend had named them and would play with them. His father would say "don't get attached to them" and my friend would shrug and not think twice about it. One day he came home to a rabbit dinner. "I told you not to get attached. They weren't your pets, they were my dinners."I'm not arguing whether either is right or wrong, I'm just pointing out a surprising discrepancy in the language. I would have guessed people would be more defensive about the treatment of pets than the treatment of their food, but it appears to be quite the reverse.

[CrystalTears]

Depends who you talk to. I care more about the treatment of my pets than my food.

[Delias]

Depends who you talk to. I care more about the treatment of my pets than my food.

I like to think that if times ever get bad enough, my pets ARE food.

[Showal]

I like to think that if times ever get bad enough, my pets ARE food.

The thought has crossed my mind that there is very little that you look at and don't consider its potential as a food source.

[Ralimar]

Does she realize how many trees she killed by writing that note on wide-ruled mass-produced paper?

I'm in Brooklyn, I can punch her in the face if needed.

[Stanley Burrell]

...because that would be a pretty cool ringtone. Maybe.

[CrystalTears]

Does she realize how many trees she killed by writing that note on wide-ruled mass-produced paper? Plants and trees don't matter, only animals.

[Delias]

The thought has crossed my mind that there is very little that you look at and don't consider its potential as a food source.

You should keep that in mind when throwing around fat jokes.

[Showal]

You should keep that in mind when throwing around fat jokes.

I will.

[Asha]

I'd find something they do that's completely natural and make out that it disturbs me and fucks with my beliefs. /end.

[Showal]

I'd find something they do that's completely natural and make out that it disturbs me and fucks with my beliefs. /end.

You could tell them how much it offends you when people wear t shirts with sleeves attached!!

[Asha]

I KNEW that was coming!!
You fuck brick.

[Back]

If you smoke bud you are killing weeds!

[4a6c1]

You fuck brick.

http://wtfface.com/files/2011/06/Baby-WTF-Face2.jpg

[Drakefang]

IW, is that you?

[Asha]

Those bitches is waay thin. :/

[Tsa`ah]

What I don't get is why this woman had to go vegan because she's keeping kosher. AFAIK, the only meat she's not allowed to eat is pork. It's not like you're in bumfuck Alabama either where kosher butchers and products are unavailable. You're in the northeast, ffs.

Can't eat the meat of omnivorous or carnivorous animals. Can't eat the meat of scavengers. Can't eat the meat of mistreated animals. Can't eat the meat of animals that aren't properly butchered. Can't eat the meat of diseased animals.

Animals that are deemed kosher aren't entirely kosher either.

Not all vegetables are kosher ... those that are cross bred anyway.

If it comes out of the water it has to have scale, dorsal fin and gill. So not all fish are kosher.

Or course all of this depends on your level of orthodoxy.

[Tgo01]

So much easier to be agnostic.

[Tsa`ah]

So much easier to be agnostic.

Well of course it is.