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Suppa Hobbit Mage
06-14-2011, 12:37 PM
I can't get away from the fucking news coverage about her. I fucking hate the press.

Oh, IMO she did it, and deserves the death penalty. I'm doubtful that'll happen though - but I do bet she gets life.

Keller
06-14-2011, 12:45 PM
I can't get away from the fucking news coverage about her. I fucking hate the press.

Oh, IMO she did it, and deserves the death penalty. I'm doubtful that'll happen though - but I do bet she gets life.

She killed her daughter to party more often.

She is going to prison with women, who have maternal instincts.

She might get a life sentence, but rest assured she won't serve it.

AnticorRifling
06-14-2011, 01:00 PM
She killed her daughter to party more often.

She is going to prison with women, who have maternal instincts.

She might get a life sentence, but rest assured she won't serve it.

Sure she will, she'll be in for life. We just won't have to wait that long for her to get out.

g++
06-14-2011, 01:14 PM
I think she is guilty but I would not be shocked if she was not convicted of murder. All the circumstantial evidence makes her look really bad but none of it actually proves she killed the kid. Weird case for sure and like SHM everytime I see a news story about it I feel guilty as I click it and read.

phantasm
06-14-2011, 01:16 PM
I hope they do it with duct tape.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
06-14-2011, 01:17 PM
She killed her daughter to party more often.

She is going to prison with women, who have maternal instincts.

She might get a life sentence, but rest assured she won't serve it.

Like Susan Smith? We spend too much effort protecting the wrong people.

Parkbandit
06-14-2011, 01:38 PM
You hate the coverage? It's on 24/7 here... given that the jury was selected from the Tampa area and Orlando is 1 hour away.

She did it... but I can't wait for the defense to start presenting their case. Should be quality entertainment.

Keller
06-14-2011, 01:47 PM
Sure she will, she'll be in for life. We just won't have to wait that long for her to get out.

Seriously.

If I had one get out of jail free card, there are few crimes I'd consider before off'ing this bitch.

Realistically, I'd probably steal all the gold in Knox and then hope someone else offs her.

g++
06-14-2011, 02:04 PM
She did it... but I can't wait for the defense to start presenting their case. Should be quality entertainment.

I watched a few segments of the trial on CNN and Baiz just looks awful. A few times his questions actually seemed to lead the witness to call Casey a liar. Its like..wouldnt it be better to just not ask questions at all then to get a witness to elaborate on how much of a piece of shit your client is?

I guess he wouldnt get his 15 minutes that way though.

Androidpk
06-14-2011, 02:09 PM
Seriously.

If I had one get out of jail free card, there are few crimes I'd consider before off'ing this bitch.

Realistically, I'd probably steal all the gold in Knox and then hope someone else offs her.

Haven't you heard, there's no more gold in Fort Knox anymore.

Parkbandit
06-14-2011, 02:23 PM
I watched a few segments of the trial on CNN and Baiz just looks awful. A few times his questions actually seemed to lead the witness to call Casey a liar. Its like..wouldnt it be better to just not ask questions at all then to get a witness to elaborate on how much of a piece of shit your client is?

I guess he wouldnt get his 15 minutes that way though.

He comes across like most lawyers do... an arrogant prick.. but I think that is his strategy. She's a liar, but she was a good mother and could never intentionally kill her. It's her Dad's fault!

NocturnalRob
06-14-2011, 02:27 PM
Haven't you heard, there's no more gold in Fort Knox anymore.
Your sig is contaminating your thought process.

Latrinsorm
06-14-2011, 02:51 PM
Fort Knox? Ha! That's for tourists.

DrZaius
06-14-2011, 03:14 PM
Fort Knox? Ha! That's for tourists.

http://www.ugo.com/therush/images/character_studies/simon-gruber-116/image.jpg

TheEschaton
06-14-2011, 03:19 PM
You hate the coverage? It's on 24/7 here... given that the jury was selected from the Tampa area and Orlando is 1 hour away.

She did it... but I can't wait for the defense to start presenting their case. Should be quality entertainment.

That's why, in spite of my progressive nature, I could never be a criminal defense lawyer. I could never in good faith defend a person who is, in fact and in evidence, guilty, by playing blame games and shifting the focus away from the metric crapton of shit that said "Hey, I murdered my kid so I could go clubbing more." Defend an actual innocent person, sure, I could do that, but defense lawyers can rarely be that picky.

Androidpk
06-14-2011, 03:25 PM
If the glove don't fit..

AnticorRifling
06-14-2011, 03:36 PM
If the glove don't fit..

Raw dog it.

diethx
06-14-2011, 10:07 PM
I haven't been following the story at all - she seriously killed her daughter because she wanted to party more? Why not just turn custody over to her parents, or let the kid enter the system? I realize the last option isn't ideal, but it's better than murdering her. I'm sure there are a lot of childless couples out there who would have been ecstatic to adopt that adorable little girl.

NocturnalRob
06-14-2011, 10:11 PM
Raw dog it.
I'm willing to bet this is how you met your wife. After all, it's how I met her.

Parkbandit
06-14-2011, 10:17 PM
I haven't been following the story at all - she seriously killed her daughter because she wanted to party more? Why not just turn custody over to her parents, or let the kid enter the system? I realize the last option isn't ideal, but it's better than murdering her. I'm sure there are a lot of childless couples out there who would have been ecstatic to adopt that adorable little girl.

Well, since she hasn't told the truth of what happened, we are left to speculate. One theory is that she used chloroform to knock her kid out so she could go party.. but she ended up giving her a lethal dose... so she hid the body and THEN went out and partied.

phantasm
06-14-2011, 10:24 PM
No, she chloroformed her and then wrapped her face in duct tape.

diethx
06-14-2011, 11:20 PM
Well, since she hasn't told the truth of what happened, we are left to speculate. One theory is that she used chloroform to knock her kid out so she could go party.. but she ended up giving her a lethal dose... so she hid the body and THEN went out and partied.

I don't think disgusting is a near strong enough word.

AnticorRifling
06-15-2011, 08:22 AM
I'm willing to bet this is how you met your wife. After all, it's how I met her.

It's how I meat all my women.

NocturnalRob
06-15-2011, 09:06 AM
It's how I meat all my women.
You...you're a funny guy, you.

Parkbandit
06-15-2011, 10:32 AM
It's how I meat all my women.

Measured in meaters?

NocturnalRob
06-15-2011, 10:34 AM
Measured in meaters?
If they get out of line, do you meat out punishment?

4a6c1
06-15-2011, 11:27 AM
I've never been able to get into this witch hunt mentality for Casey Anthony.

I've been disgusted by the entire process and formed pretty solid contrary opinions early on. I know....it's unpopular to go against the mob but in the first or second week of that little girl being missing I caught a little sliver of Nancy Grace running her ignorant mouth on broadcast television calling this woman whos child was missing derogative names and just being generally vulgar. At that point they werent even talking about "What about the Grandpa?!" the parents of Casey Anthony were making some very well thought out and even diplomatic condemnations of their own daughter. This is what fueled the roast of her early on. Then I watched as dozens of my own friends, without any actual facts, started to sound like Nancy Grace as well.

If this woman is guilty, ok. That's terrible. But America never gave her a chance to be innocent and I think it just speaks to the general ignorance of Americans and how influencial day time TV culture is. I threw up a little in my mouth when they showed the stampede of overweight suburban women climbing over each other to compete for a SEAT inside the COURTHOUSE for this trial.

GOD. Imagine the things all these women who are so obsessed over this stupid trial could accomplish if they put thier collectve energy into something useful. WOMEN...What kind of society are we building that we are led around by our noses by big mouths like Nancy Grace?

All things to think about...

I'm just anxious for it to be over. So they are talking about something else at the country club. :(

g++
06-15-2011, 11:38 AM
I think everyone hates Nancy Grace. She is put on TV as a punishment to the American people for slavery. I think its all explained in the Declaration of Independence.

As far as the lynch mob...well thats true but I think if you followed the story with an impartial open mind you would still come to the conclusion that she is probably guilty. I mean I dont think they actually have enough evidence to convict on premeditated murder but if I was placing a bet with an omnipotent being I would definately put money on she did it.

4a6c1
06-15-2011, 11:46 AM
The whole thing has looked like a circus from the very beginning. That's not justice and I blame the law enforcement professionals for letting it get out of hand.

Parkbandit
06-15-2011, 12:06 PM
I'm trying to imagine a scenario where your 2 year old kid is "missing" and you create different stories for a month... and you are not guilty of a horrendous crime.

Maybe you can help me.

4a6c1
06-15-2011, 12:09 PM
To protect someone else? Who knows? Not you or me or Nancy Grace (gasp).

Tgo01
06-15-2011, 12:15 PM
Rojo are you going against the mob just for the sake of going against the mob? Being honest now.

Latrinsorm
06-15-2011, 12:20 PM
I'm trying to imagine a scenario where your 2 year old kid is "missing" and you create different stories for a month... and you are not guilty of a horrendous crime.

Maybe you can help me.A person with certain kinds of mental illness.

4a6c1
06-15-2011, 12:22 PM
Rojo are you going against the mob just for the sake of going against the mob? Being honest now.


Nope. Legitimately disgusted by the early reactions of the press then the later reactions from friends.

Parkbandit
06-15-2011, 12:24 PM
A person with certain kinds of mental illness.

Riiiiiiight. Maybe she should go to rehab instead of killing her kid?

NocturnalRob
06-15-2011, 12:24 PM
Nope. Legitimately disgusted by the early reactions of the press then the later reactions from friends.
You and Sinanju should hang out. Sounds like you both need new friends.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
06-16-2011, 09:30 AM
I'm curious in what situation specifically it's "OK" to not report a 2 year old little girl as missing for a full month. I haven't seen a single thing about her not being mentally fit, and I'm sure were she, it'd have come out - so I'm discounting that.

Blackmagic
06-16-2011, 09:34 AM
She killed her daughter to party more often.

She is going to prison with women, who have maternal instincts.

She might get a life sentence, but rest assured she won't serve it.

I work in a prison. These are the people that go right to PC

Blackmagic
06-16-2011, 09:40 AM
The whole thing has looked like a circus from the very beginning. That's not justice and I blame the law enforcement professionals for letting it get out of hand.

Not the law enforcement professionals. Try blaming the overzealous, over dramatic press

Keller
06-16-2011, 09:44 AM
I work in a prison. These are the people that go right to PC

Is that where we got Firestorm Killa?

Blackmagic
06-16-2011, 09:46 AM
Probably.....I swear we have some pedo's on here too

Keller
06-16-2011, 09:48 AM
Probably.....I swear we have some pedo's on here too

You saw that picture of Rob with a moustache, too?

Parkbandit
06-16-2011, 09:55 AM
Not the law enforcement professionals. Try blaming the overzealous, over dramatic press

So you believe that some newspaper reporter killed the kid?

Blackmagic
06-16-2011, 09:58 AM
So you believe that some newspaper reporter killed the kid?

Are you that retarded? Or did you not read the conversation prior to that? Rojo was blaming law enforcement for the media circus. God forbid the press does something wrong!

Parkbandit
06-16-2011, 10:06 AM
Are you that retarded? Or did you not real the conversation prior to that? Rojo was blaming law enforcement for the media circus. God forbid the press does something wrong!

And my point to her was... give me a scenario where the mother isn't at fault. You can complain about the coverage all you like, but the story is about a woman that wasn't fit to be a mother and spent a month lying about what happened to the kid she killed.

It's dumb to blame law enforcement. It's probably even dumber to blame the press. Thanks for filling that role.

Keller
06-16-2011, 10:32 AM
And my point to her was... give me a scenario where the mother isn't at fault. You can complain about the coverage all you like, but the story is about a woman that wasn't fit to be a mother and spent a month lying about what happened to the kid she killed.

It's dumb to blame law enforcement. It's probably even dumber to blame the press. Thanks for filling that role.

Why do you always dig in your heels and fight when you're wrong?

Why is your point to Rojo relevant to the discussion you're having with Blackmagic? They're two different points. Blackmagic was saying you should blame the press for the coverage, not the law enforcement. I have no idea why you jumped from there to accusing him of saying the press killed the girl. Makes negative sense.

Parkbandit
06-16-2011, 10:34 AM
Had this been a mom who killed her kid under normal circumstances.. we wouldn't even know who Casey Anthony is. But the circumstances surrounding the heinous crime are so unbelievable to normal Americans, that it is now a huge story.

I don't blame the press for covering it.. I blame Casey for being a piece of shit human being that didn't deserve to be a mother. It's a circus because she made it a circus.

Blackmagic
06-16-2011, 10:34 AM
So what you are trying to say is that media hasn't blown this up into a circus?

Parkbandit
06-16-2011, 10:46 AM
So what you are trying to say is that media hasn't blown this up into a circus?

You make it sound like an isolated incident. It's not. Don't they always blow things up in this matter?

Like I said.. if Casey was just another girl who "accidently" killed her kid.. you wouldn't even know her. But this is far more... the 1 month of lying.. the chloroform, the partying, the different guys, the death of the alleged father of the kid, the father being accused of molesting her..... it already IS a fucking circus.

Blackmagic
06-16-2011, 11:04 AM
It's probably even dumber to blame the press


It's a circus because she made it a circus.



You make it sound like an isolated incident. It's not. Don't they always blow things up in this matter?

First... it "manner" not "matter". Secondly ....do you always just fire from the hip or do you read what was posted? just because it always happens does not mean that it is right. The media is so skewed these days that it's hard to tell the facts from fabrication. The evidence against her is very incriminating but hundreds of these cases occur everyday. They saw a pretty face with a fucked up story and they knew that they had a cash cow.

Tgo01
06-16-2011, 11:08 AM
First... it "manner" not "matter". Secondly ....do you always just fire from the hip or do you read what was posted? just because it always happens does not mean that it is right. The media is do skewed these says it's to tell the facts from fabrication. The evidence against her is very incriminating but hundreds of these cases occur everyday. They saw a pretty face with a fucked up story and they knew that they had a cash cow.

Did you really just correct someone after all of the mistakes you've made in the three posts of yours I read?

Also admittedly I haven't been paying all that much attention to this story but isn't a huge part of the reason this story got so much attention was because the girl was considered 'missing' for well over a month since no one knew what happened to her? And even after signs started pointing to murder they still didn't have the body? Surely this case isn't unique but I find it hard to believe it happens 'hundreds' of times a day.

CrystalTears
06-16-2011, 11:14 AM
The fact that this is national news is what makes this a media circus. There's no reason why a case in Florida needs to be known by people in every state. Just me though, as I've never been fond of only specific missing/dead children cases being a big deal.

Keller
06-16-2011, 11:36 AM
First... it "manner" not "matter". Secondly ....do you always just fire from the hip or do you read what was posted? just because it always happens does not mean that it is right. The media is do skewed these says it's to tell the facts from fabrication. The evidence against her is very incriminating but hundreds of these cases occur everyday. They saw a pretty face with a fucked up story and they knew that they had a cash cow.

wha?

Blackmagic
06-16-2011, 11:38 AM
Fucking predictive text

Parkbandit
06-16-2011, 11:44 AM
First... it "manner" not "matter".

Hey... at least you corrected your "read" and not "real" fuckup in a previous post... which allows you to correct my grammar. Well played... if only edits didn't have a timestamp and if only your post hadn't already been quoted!



Secondly ....do you always just fire from the hip or do you read what was posted? just because it always happens does not mean that it is right.

You should have used a capital "J" on just.. since it was the beginning of a sentence. Wow, correcting people IS fun!!



The media is do skewed these says it's to tell the facts from fabrication.

At this point.. I think you've done a remarkable job of making yourself look like a dumbass. Read that sentence again.... derp, derp.



The evidence against her is very incriminating but hundreds of these cases occur everyday. They saw a pretty face with a fucked up story and they knew that they had a cash cow.

Name 100 stories that were just like this one that happened yesterday.

Parkbandit
06-16-2011, 11:46 AM
Fucking predictive text

It's not predictive text.. it's you being a careless douche that wanted to have his "AHAHAH" moment but failed miserably.

Blackmagic
06-16-2011, 12:15 PM
Go look at the statistics....37000 child homicides between 1976-1994 with over 14% committed by a parent. That jumps even higher of you up the reference to related not just parent. Those are the solved cases listed by the FBI. There are countless unsolved cases. The national average is 2158 kids that go missing per day (some in this number are runaways). That figure is from the US DOJ

Blackmagic
06-16-2011, 12:17 PM
And I will admit that I make too many errors posting from my phone to criticize others grammar.

g++
06-16-2011, 12:21 PM
Not that I really want to wade in this shit but I just wanted to point out if you look up "Child Homicides" almost every murder on the books in baltimore will count. 2 17 year olds shooting at each other in a strip club will ring the bell for a "Child homicide" this is closer to infanticide. A child homicide is anyone under 18 i think if you pair out teens it will make this alot more rare.

diethx
06-16-2011, 12:55 PM
You saw that picture of Rob with a moustache, too?

AHahahahahghaghahghaghaghahgh. Truth.


Had this been a mom who killed her kid under normal circumstances

Circumstances are never normal when a mother kills her child.

Parkbandit
06-16-2011, 12:57 PM
Circumstances are never normal when a mother kills her child.

Kids drown in family pools all the time... which is the defense's story that happened in this case.

diethx
06-16-2011, 01:07 PM
Kids drown in family pools all the time... which is the defense's story that happened in this case.

Ok, but how is an accidental drowning in a family pool equal to a mother killing her child under normal circumstances?

Parkbandit
06-16-2011, 01:11 PM
Ok, but how is an accidental drowning in a family pool equal to a mother killing her child under normal circumstances?

Perhaps "normal" is the wrong word.

My point was that this case is so completely unbelievable that it will automatically make big national news. It wasn't the news that made it crazy.. it was Casey Anthony that did.

Bobmuhthol
06-16-2011, 01:15 PM
I'd hit it.

diethx
06-16-2011, 01:23 PM
Perhaps "normal" is the wrong word.

My point was that this case is so completely unbelievable that it will automatically make big national news. It wasn't the news that made it crazy.. it was Casey Anthony that did.

Ok, that makes total sense. I just wasn't sure what you could possibly think would be normal about a mother killing her child.

Parkbandit
06-16-2011, 01:27 PM
Ok, that makes total sense. I just wasn't sure what you could possibly think would be normal about a mother killing her child.

I could name a couple of people on here that if their mother did it, I would consider it normal and justified.

:)

Tgo01
06-16-2011, 01:32 PM
The national average is 2158 kids that go missing per day (some in this number are runaways). That figure is from the US DOJ

The vast majority of missing children is due to custody battles.

Rinualdo
06-16-2011, 01:37 PM
Perhaps "normal" is the wrong word.

My point was that this case is so completely unbelievable that it will automatically make big national news. It wasn't the news that made it crazy.. it was Casey Anthony that did.

I think that was part of it, but more so that another pretty little white girl was missing that captured the nation's attention and then started to focus on Casey Anthony.

I'm fairly certain that if it was Tyrelle Anthony that went missing, none of us would have ever heard her name.

Tgo01
06-16-2011, 01:43 PM
I think that was part of it, but more so that another pretty little white girl was missing that captured the nation's attention and then started to focus on Casey Anthony.

I'm fairly certain that if it was Tyrelle Anthony that went missing, none of us would have ever heard her name.

Obviously it's about race.

Parkbandit
06-16-2011, 01:48 PM
I think that was part of it, but more so that another pretty little white girl was missing that captured the nation's attention and then started to focus on Casey Anthony.

I'm fairly certain that if it was Tyrelle Anthony that went missing, none of us would have ever heard her name.

If Tyrelle Anthony killed her kid, went out partying, lied for a month about her kid being at a made up nanny... and then when caught, would continue to lie about it all the way to trial... your contention is that we wouldn't know about it?

If only the OJ Simpson trial didn't so easily prove you wrong.. imagine what a good race baiter you would be!

Stop being stupid.

Rinualdo
06-16-2011, 01:52 PM
If Tyrelle Anthony killed her kid, went out partying, lied for a month about her kid being at a made up nanny... and then when caught, would continue to lie about it all the way to trial... your contention is that we wouldn't know about it?

If only the OJ Simpson trial didn't so easily prove you wrong.. imagine what a good race baiter you would be!

Stop being stupid.

Your counter-argument is OJ? A famous football adult player who killed his white wife?

Also, as a point of fact, the national news media started covering the story when she was missing, long before we knew about the partying, the fake nanny, and lying about it to trial.

My contention is that scores and scores of children go missing and are killed each year, and many of those are reported as blurbs on the local news. The only ones that seem to make it to the national level, and for some reason we follow the streaming updates to, are the pretty white girls.

Can you name from memory any black, latino, etc... children who have gone missing/murdered and made national news? Any males?

g++
06-16-2011, 02:02 PM
Not to play devils advocate but this is the biggest story in Baltimore right now.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-eye-for-eye-20110605,0,6514438.story

More people are talking about this at my office than Casey Anthony...by far.

g++
06-16-2011, 02:06 PM
And remember when this was national news for a few weeks?

http://www.sfgate.com/flat/archive/2005/10/20/chronicle/archive/2005/10/20/MNG86FB9541.html

CrystalTears
06-16-2011, 02:10 PM
My contention is that scores and scores of children go missing and are killed each year, and many of those are reported as blurbs on the local news. The only ones that seem to make it to the national level, and for some reason we follow the streaming updates to, are the pretty white girls.

Can you name from memory any black, latino, etc... children who have gone missing/murdered and made national news? Any males?
That's my problem with these stories as well. They are focused on specific cases and types.

g++
06-16-2011, 02:13 PM
That's my problem with these stories as well. They are focused on specific cases and types.

I agree with that but I dont think its so much about race as it is a compelling story with some depth. The reason 99% of missing child cases are blurbs explaining that the child is missing is because 99% of the time thats pretty much all there is to say "Please help". This particular case had alot of depth because the mothers stories were so outrageous that it was compelling. I truly believe if Anthony was black we would be at the exact same point media/coverage/circus we are right now.

CrystalTears
06-16-2011, 02:17 PM
I agree with that but I dont think its so much about race as it is a compelling story with some depth. The reason 99% of missing child cases are blurbs explaining that the child is missing is because 99% of the time thats pretty much all there is to say "Please help". This particular case had alot of depth because the mothers stories were so outrageous that it was compelling. I truly believe if Anthony was black we would be at the exact same point media/coverage/circus we are right now.
Did you hear about the death sentence for a woman who left her baby boy in a dumpster in 1990?

g++
06-16-2011, 02:18 PM
Did you hear about the death sentence for a woman who left her baby boy in a dumpster in 1990?

No but I was 9 years old at the time so I am not really all that suprised. I read alot less news back then.

CrystalTears
06-16-2011, 02:19 PM
No but I was 9 years old at the time so I am not really all that suprised. I read alot less news back then.
No, she was sentenced a few days ago for that crime. Why haven't you heard about it? It was an awful case of pure parental denial and took 20 years to resolve. Why wasn't this made national?

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/06/10/2259223/baby-lollipops-mother-faces-death.html

g++
06-16-2011, 02:21 PM
I mean I can only imagine it was big news at the time but like I said I was 9 so I dont really know I was probably playing G.I. Joe when the story broke.

diethx
06-16-2011, 02:24 PM
No, she was sentenced a few days ago for that crime. Why haven't you heard about it? It was an awful case of pure parental denial and took 20 years to resolve. Why wasn't this made national?

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/06/10/2259223/baby-lollipops-mother-faces-death.html

What is it with psycho mothers and duct tape?

CrystalTears
06-16-2011, 02:25 PM
I mean I can only imagine it was big news at the time but like I said I was 9 so I dont really know I was probably playing G.I. Joe when the story broke.Now you're just being difficult (or a pain in the ass) on purpose. If it was big news then, why wasn't the conviction a national news story?

g++
06-16-2011, 02:26 PM
Because its the third time she's been convicted?

Im really not being difficult I would probably be aware of this case if it had happened in my adult life. Im not even joking about that.

CrystalTears
06-16-2011, 02:28 PM
Because its the third time she's been convicted?

Im really not being difficult I would probably be aware of this case if it had happened in my adult life. Im not even joking about that.
So three convictions with the final one being death penalty doesn't have enough "depth" to be national, is that it?

g++
06-16-2011, 02:30 PM
Im saying it likely was national news when it happened, it was probably national news when she first went to trial but yah after that her subsequent appeals get less and less interesting because most of the information about the case has been released in the first trial.

Rinualdo
06-16-2011, 02:30 PM
I watch/read a lot of news, and have done so for many years.
From memory, I can name a dozen or so white girls who have gone missing, were abducted, killed, raped, etc... Jon Benet, Casey Anthony, Natalie Holloway

The only non-white, non-female name I can recall from national news is Elian Gonzalez. His case is certainly unique.

Edit: Apparently Wikipedia has an article and term for such a thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome

AnticorRifling
06-16-2011, 02:30 PM
Was the original trial and conviction big news?

CrystalTears
06-16-2011, 02:32 PM
The only non-white, non-female name I can recall from national news is Elian Gonzalez. His case is certainly unique.
And he wasn't a missing child, so he doesn't count.

CrystalTears
06-16-2011, 02:33 PM
Was the original trial and conviction big news?
Dude it's not even in Wikipedia.

g++
06-16-2011, 02:35 PM
Wikipedia didnt even exist the case is so old.

AnticorRifling
06-16-2011, 02:37 PM
Dude it's not even in Wikipedia.

That doesn't even come close to answering my question.

CrystalTears
06-16-2011, 02:38 PM
That doesn't even come close to answering my question.
No, it wasn't national news then either.

CrystalTears
06-16-2011, 02:40 PM
Wikipedia didnt even exist the case is so old.
Jon Benet Ramsey was in 1996 and it's there. Now you're just reaching because you don't want to admit that some cases never make national because they're not cute white children.

As for Casey Anthony, she did perpetuate this craziness. The fact that she wasn't even the one who reported her daughter as missing is what initially bothered me with this case.

g++
06-16-2011, 02:43 PM
Im fine with admitting that. It doesnt really speak to my supposition that if Casey Anthony was black it would still be national news. The story is compelling on its own merit regardless of race was my point. I didnt state that all news in the universe is color blind.

Parkbandit
06-16-2011, 03:13 PM
Your counter-argument is OJ? A famous football adult player who killed his white wife?

You are making the claim it's because she is white. I offered you a far bigger news story with a black guy.

Maybe it's not about race.. and maybe it's more about the circumstances surrounding a mother killing her kid.



Also, as a point of fact, the national news media started covering the story when she was missing, long before we knew about the partying, the fake nanny, and lying about it to trial.

My contention is that scores and scores of children go missing and are killed each year, and many of those are reported as blurbs on the local news. The only ones that seem to make it to the national level, and for some reason we follow the streaming updates to, are the pretty white girls.

Can you name from memory any black, latino, etc... children who have gone missing/murdered and made national news? Any males?

Name a similar story about an equally bizarre situation in which a black or hispanic mother killed her kid.

Parkbandit
06-16-2011, 03:16 PM
Im fine with admitting that. It doesnt really speak to my supposition that if Casey Anthony was black it would still be national news. The story is compelling on its own merit regardless of race was my point. I didnt state that all news in the universe is color blind.

/agree

Kyra231
06-16-2011, 03:19 PM
I think that was part of it, but more so that another pretty little white girl was missing that captured the nation's attention and then started to focus on Casey Anthony.

I'm fairly certain that if it was Tyrelle Anthony that went missing, none of us would have ever heard her name.

No we'd hear the name, then we'd hear how no one would say anything if it weren't for the fact Tyrelle wasn't white.

CrystalTears
06-16-2011, 03:20 PM
What is it with psycho mothers and duct tape?
I wish I knew. It's rather scary how much this happens.

http://crime.about.com/od/female_offenders/p/deathrowwomen1.htm

Rinualdo
06-16-2011, 03:43 PM
You are making the claim it's because she is white. I offered you a far bigger news story with a black guy.

Maybe it's not about race.. and maybe it's more about the circumstances surrounding a mother killing her kid.

The only reason you know the circumstances are because of the media circus from day 1. For your position to be correct, there would have to not be a similar or more bizarre case that has not made national news which involved a boy or black or hispanic child. Are you willing to make that supposition?



Name a similar story about an equally bizarre situation in which a black or hispanic mother killed her kid.
Doesn't this prove my point? I can't think of an equally bizarre situation without the use of google because it hasn't made national news.
I am certain, however, that with google I can find a local news story about a more bizarre case in recent times of a boy, or black/hispanic female that odds defy that you've ever heard of.

Rinualdo
06-16-2011, 03:50 PM
No we'd hear the name, then we'd hear how no one would say anything if it weren't for the fact Tyrelle wasn't white.

So name one from memory that was widespread national news. Name a single boy who was murdered, kidnapped, etc... and then link a week's worth of national news stories.


Jon Benet, Elizabeth Smart, Kaylee Anthony, Natalee Holloway, etc...

There are certainly statistics to back up this


Experts agree that whites account for only half of the nation's missing children. But white children were the subjects of more than two-thirds of the dispatches appearing on the Associated Press' national wire during the last five years and for three-quarters of missing-children coverage on CNN, according to a first-of-its-kind study by Scripps Howard News Service.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7711.shtml

There are several more articles describing this reporting discrepancy.

Is your theory they are all making this shit up, that only white people kill their kids in crazy manners and that is what the media focuses on?

g++
06-16-2011, 03:58 PM
The black san fran mom who killed her 3 kids was national news for a week or two recently and I would argue its not as compelling as the Casey Anthony case because she had a history of mental illness, the bodies were found immediately, and it was obvious she did it.

The woman who microwaved her kid or whatever a few years back was black I think.

Anyone who kills their own kid in general regardless of race is going to grab headlines.

It doesnt necessarily prove that the Casey Anthony case deserves the attention it is getting but it proves that a black mom whos case was less interesting was on cnn for a few days. I think the whole "Missing white girl syndrome" is a real phenomenon but I think the part of the brain thats getting hit by this story is the one that makes us turn our heads to look at car wrecks.

Sean
06-16-2011, 04:02 PM
What's compelling about a 25 year old who wanted to party more than be a parent?

g++
06-16-2011, 04:10 PM
Well when you take it to the extreme of actually killing the child its interesting I guess. Like I said Im not proud I follow the case its definately a base form of entertainment.

Parkbandit
06-16-2011, 04:12 PM
The only reason you know the circumstances are because of the media circus from day 1. For your position to be correct, there would have to not be a similar or more bizarre case that has not made national news which involved a boy or black or hispanic child. Are you willing to make that supposition?

You made the point that the only reason that the Casey Anthony case is getting so much attention is because she is white. I offered you another crazy story involving a black man that still, DESPITE HIM BEING BLACK!!!! still made the front page.



Doesn't this prove my point? I can't think of an equally bizarre situation without the use of google because it hasn't made national news.
I am certain, however, that with google I can find a local news story about a more bizarre case in recent times of a boy, or black/hispanic female that odds defy that you've ever heard of.

I await your local story.

Rinualdo
06-16-2011, 04:18 PM
You made the point that the only reason that the Casey Anthony case is getting so much attention is because she is white. I offered you another crazy story involving a black man that still, DESPITE HIM BEING BLACK!!!! still made the front page.


Now you're just trolling.

I suppose it is to your credit that I consider you smart enough to recognize the difference between the media reporting on children and a case involving a celebrity.

Parkbandit
06-16-2011, 04:32 PM
Now you're just trolling.

I suppose it is to your credit that I consider you smart enough to recognize the difference between the media reporting on children and a case involving a celebrity.

You made the stupid claim.. yet I'm trolling.

Stop being retarded. Please.

CrystalTears
06-16-2011, 04:34 PM
You made the point that the only reason that the Casey Anthony case is getting so much attention is because she is white. I offered you another crazy story involving a black man that still, DESPITE HIM BEING BLACK!!!! still made the front page.Why is the case of a celebrity wife killer being mentioned in a dispute about missing children? It's not even relevant.

Sean
06-16-2011, 04:40 PM
Why is the case of a celebrity wife killer being mentioned in a dispute about missing children? It's not even relevant.

It isn't PB just decided to be intentionally obtuse so that he could troll Rinualdo.

HJFudge
06-16-2011, 04:43 PM
You made the stupid claim.. yet I'm trolling.

Stop being retarded. Please.


Sometimes I think you are this dense on purpose.

"Lets equate two things that aint nearly the same thing and then loudly proclaim victory!"

Seems to be your debating style.

At least your good for a laugh. Too bad thats all you are good for.

Parkbandit
06-16-2011, 04:44 PM
Why is the case of a celebrity wife killer being mentioned in a dispute about missing children? It's not even relevant.

Both were/are televised court cases.

One involves a white girl.. something Rinaldo claims that is the only reason it's gained as much media attention.

The other one involved a black man.. yet gained even more media attention.

Perhaps it's not a case of race.. perhaps it's more to do with the circumstances surrounding the crime.

Parkbandit
06-16-2011, 04:46 PM
Sometimes I think you are this dense on purpose.

"Lets equate two things that aint nearly the same thing and then loudly proclaim victory!"

Seems to be your debating style.

At least your good for a laugh. Too bad thats all you are good for.

Did YOUR computer lose the ' key?

Remember when you used to post in an intelligent manner? Neither do I.

CrystalTears
06-16-2011, 04:50 PM
Both were/are televised court cases.

One involves a white girl.. something Rinaldo claims that is the only reason it's gained as much media attention.

The other one involved a black man.. yet gained even more media attention.

Perhaps it's not a case of race.. perhaps it's more to do with the circumstances surrounding the crime.
The argument was about how race has an impact on missing children reports, and that mostly (if not only) pretty white female girls are the ones getting national attention. Mentioning a story about a celebrity that killed his wife does not prove anything in this regard.

HJFudge
06-16-2011, 04:54 PM
Did YOUR computer lose the ' key?

Remember when you used to post in an intelligent manner? Neither do I.

Picking on spelling/grammar errors to cover up the fact you have no leg to stand on and are just spouting bullshit? Another not-so-clever tactic brought to you by the GS Players Corner Republican Shill Brigade

Parkbandit
06-16-2011, 05:03 PM
Picking on spelling/grammar errors to cover up the fact you have no leg to stand on and are just spouting bullshit? Another not-so-clever tactic brought to you by the GS Players Corner Republican Shill Brigade

No, I was making fun of an unintelligent little man with nothing intelligent to say as usual. Nothing more.

My point remains.. if Casey Anthony was black, this would still be a big national story. It's not because she's white, it's because of the circumstances surrounding the crime.

HJFudge
06-16-2011, 05:11 PM
No, I was making fun of an unintelligent little man with nothing intelligent to say as usual. Nothing more.

My point remains.. if Casey Anthony was black, this would still be a big national story. It's not because she's white, it's because of the circumstances surrounding the crime.

MMmmm the other folk who have expressed dissenting opinions have back there stuff up with actual evidence, links to theories on Media reporting bias. You might dispute it. Your evidence was: "Well O.J. was a big deal" and claim your point still remains and should be taken seriously.

The lols just keep comin :)

TheEschaton
06-16-2011, 05:13 PM
PB, the OJ case was famous not because he was black, or in spite of him being black, but because he was a hall of fame running back and a movie star.

As Chris Rock said, "If OJ was a bus driver, he wouldn't even be OJ, he'd be Orenthal, the bus driving murderer locked up away for the rest of his life."

The only national news story I can remember about a non-white kid gone missing in the past 10 years is of the little black girl who was kidnapped, ate through her bindings, and when her captors came down, she kicked them in the balls and escaped through a window. And I can't even recall her name.

Fact is, white girls gone missing are the cases that are covered. Natalee Holloway was just some vacationing white girl in the Bahamas who disappeared and was later found dead. Only covered because she was a pretty blonde.

-TheE-

Parkbandit
06-16-2011, 05:24 PM
PB, the OJ case was famous not because he was black, or in spite of him being black, but because he was a hall of fame running back and a movie star.

As Chris Rock said, "If OJ was a bus driver, he wouldn't even be OJ, he'd be Orenthal, the bus driving murderer locked up away for the rest of his life."

The only national news story I can remember about a non-white kid gone missing in the past 10 years is of the little black girl who was kidnapped, ate through her bindings, and when her captors came down, she kicked them in the balls and escaped through a window. And I can't even recall her name.

Fact is, white girls gone missing are the cases that are covered. Natalee Holloway was just some vacationing white girl in the Bahamas who disappeared and was later found dead. Only covered because she was a pretty blonde.

-TheE-

Rinaldo said the only reason this case is being covered nationally was because she is white. I disagree and maintain it's because of the outrageous story behind the crime.

TheEschaton
06-16-2011, 05:30 PM
I agree with him. If she was black, and she killed her kid to go clubbing more, the latent racism in this country would just roll their eyes and think (if not say) that it was just another ghetto-ass chickenhead acting like a crack fiend. Even if she was just a single mother like this chick.

Maybe it's more classism, though, than anything else, if a rich black female partner at a NYC law firm did this, it would probably be national news, but really, how many of those are there?

-TheE-

Parkbandit
06-16-2011, 05:31 PM
MMmmm the other folk who have expressed dissenting opinions have back there stuff up with actual evidence, links to theories on Media reporting bias. You might dispute it. Your evidence was: "Well O.J. was a big deal" and claim your point still remains and should be taken seriously.

The lols just keep comin :)

What evidence has been produced that if Casey Anthony was black, it wouldn't be a national story? Notice how I've never once argued that black missing children get the same media coverage as white missing children? Notice how I agreed with g++'s post that stated this:


Im fine with admitting that. It doesnt really speak to my supposition that if Casey Anthony was black it would still be national news. The story is compelling on its own merit regardless of race was my point. I didnt state that all news in the universe is color blind.

We aren't talking about equal coverage of different cases.. we're speaking of a specific case.

HJFudge
06-16-2011, 05:51 PM
What evidence has been produced that if Casey Anthony was black, it wouldn't be a national story? Notice how I've never once argued that black missing children get the same media coverage as white missing children? Notice how I agreed with g++'s post that stated this:



We aren't talking about equal coverage of different cases.. we're speaking of a specific case.

What proof is there that you don't beat your wife and kids?

What proof is there that you aren't a raging homosexual?

What proof is there that you aren't a moron?

What proof is there that you aren't racist?

Sean
06-16-2011, 05:54 PM
What proof is there that you don't beat your wife and kids?

What proof is there that you aren't a raging homosexual?

What proof is there that you aren't a moron?

What proof is there that you aren't racist?

Wow... ok then.

diethx
06-16-2011, 05:55 PM
Wow... ok then.

Yeaaaah, :wtf:

HJFudge
06-16-2011, 05:56 PM
I was trying to illustrate a point: You can't prove a negative.

So when PB asks "What evidence is there that if Casey was Black this WOULDNT be a story?"

It shows a profound sense of dumbness.

Parkbandit
06-16-2011, 06:04 PM
What proof is there that you don't beat your wife and kids?

What proof is there that you aren't a raging homosexual?

What proof is there that you aren't a moron?

What proof is there that you aren't racist?

There is a reason why you have the lowest reputation of anyone on this forum... thank you for illustrating why.

You are an unintelligent and socially retarded moron.

Now run along...

Parkbandit
06-16-2011, 06:05 PM
I was trying to illustrate a point: You can't prove a negative.

So when PB asks "What evidence is there that if Casey was Black this WOULDNT be a story?"

It shows a profound sense of dumbness.

You have proven your profound sense of dumbness from your first day on these forums.

HJFudge
06-16-2011, 06:06 PM
There is a reason why you have the lowest reputation of anyone on this forum... thank you for illustrating why.

You are an unintelligent and socially retarded moron.

Now run along...

WOOOSH

Parkbandit
06-16-2011, 06:07 PM
WOOOSH

Truth hurts.

4a6c1
06-16-2011, 09:10 PM
Interesting conversation. I agree that there is a racial bias as well as a gender bias. If it was Reginald Anthony or Juan Anthony ON TRIAL what would have been different? The public condemnations from parents/neighbors? Nancy Grace screaming for justice in the first week? Concerned neighbors searching the area for the childs body?

(Chris Rock quote here)

Bobmuhthol
06-21-2011, 09:41 AM
http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpps/news/mother-accused-of-killing-son-over-broken-tv-dpgonc-20110621-fc_13780262

Amber
06-21-2011, 09:51 PM
So name one from memory that was widespread national news. Name a single boy who was murdered, kidnapped, etc... and then link a week's worth of national news stories.



Gabriel Johnson springs to mind. Another bizarre case because his mother has changed her story about what happened to him. At first, she said she killed him, put his body in his diaper bag, and tossed it into a dumpster, but later she said that she gave him away to some couple at a park. The case is further complicated by this woman who was trying to adopt the baby and listed her cousin as the baby's father on adoption paperwork when the biological father wouldn't sign.

I'm not going to link a week's worth of stories, but here's one.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382824/Baby-Gabriel-Johnson-missing-Mother-Elizabeth-faces-trial-kidnapping-child-abuse.html

This is a terrible thing, but I'm of the belief that child abuse is so common that it's only the most bizarre cases that receive widespread media attention.

Kuyuk
06-21-2011, 10:01 PM
I agree with Rojo's statements int he first few pages of the thread, I stopped reading at page 6 and skipped to the end.

Also - The dumb twat Nancy Grace should be chloroformed undead dead and duct-taped, or something. I dont know.

Parkbandit
07-01-2011, 03:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZldc6A6zro

Hilarious.

Tgo01
07-01-2011, 04:33 PM
I heard about this today. That kid is such a pussy, I thought he stood up, flipped the guy the finger, made sure he saw it then sat down. Instead he does the whole "Oh man I'm so tired, let me just...rub my eyes a bit (gives the guy the finger for .013235 seconds) oh tee hee I'm so clever."

If you're going to spend time in jail and pay a fine over something like this go all the way.

TheEschaton
07-01-2011, 05:42 PM
Can you sum up the 12 minute video?

One thing I hate about courts: Just ask him, "Hey, did you flip this guy off while court was in session?" And then draw it out if he says no. Not the other way around. Jesus.

Deadelf
07-02-2011, 01:26 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZldc6A6zro

Hilarious.


Wow, what was he thinking. Why was he even there, I could see if he was a law student and wanted to watch the court case in action. But from his inability to articulate I assume he is just one of the many jackasses who show up at these courts for some sort of self amusement.

TheEschaton
07-02-2011, 02:23 AM
He answered the "furthest completed education" question with 12th grade, so not a law student, just a hanger-on.

Archigeek
07-02-2011, 04:59 AM
Can you sum up the 12 minute video?

One thing I hate about courts: Just ask him, "Hey, did you flip this guy off while court was in session?" And then draw it out if he says no. Not the other way around. Jesus.

It was pretty much what you hate.

Honestly I can't believe anyone actually caught it, it was so brief. It's probably going to cost the kid his job too. What a dumb shit. At least he didn't break down in tears:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5UG7ISJfP0

Parkbandit
07-05-2011, 01:53 PM
A verdict already... 2:15 PM it will be read.

This isn't good news for Casey.

Parkbandit
07-05-2011, 02:15 PM
Man... Casey got ugly in prison.

Rinualdo
07-05-2011, 02:18 PM
Holy cow. not guilty.

Parkbandit
07-05-2011, 02:18 PM
Holy shit... not guilty?

Parkbandit
07-05-2011, 02:19 PM
I thought she would have gotten manslaughter.. but nothing so far except lying to police.

Rinualdo
07-05-2011, 02:22 PM
wtf...

Liagala
07-05-2011, 02:25 PM
... how?

Parkbandit
07-05-2011, 02:28 PM
... how?

All the evidence was circumstantial.. nothing physically tying her to the actual crime.

And I think the prosecuting attorney was a total douchebag.. which didn't help the case.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
07-05-2011, 02:50 PM
During closing remarks I thought the defending attornies sounded like complete idiots. I didn't think she'd be found guilty, but how she wasn't found guilty of neglect or child abuse is beyond me. How can you not report a missing child for 30 days and get away scott free? If she'd been honest with the police she wouldn't have had any charges stick at all - which means it's ok to not report a missing 2 year old child for 30 days! Retarded.


And the judge... saying the fine was "fo hundred dollars" cracked me up on the middle finger kid.

g++
07-05-2011, 03:02 PM
We were discussing this around the office and wondering if the parents could sue for wrongful death like the golds did in the OJ trial to stop her from becoming a millionaire on books deals. Any lawyers wanna tell me how dumb I am for posting this?

CrystalTears
07-05-2011, 03:40 PM
Fucking hell. I swear 90% of my FB friends posted about this.

TheEschaton
07-05-2011, 03:44 PM
They can probably win a wrongful death case pretty easily. The burden of proof is different in a civil case, whereas in a criminal trial, the burden is on the prosecutor to show evidence "beyond a reasonable doubt", in a civil trial, you only have to show, based on a preponderance of the evidence, that the tort occured. What this means concretely is that it has to be more likely true than false, IE, if there's a greater than 50% chance she killed the kid, they win the civil trial.

Sean
07-05-2011, 03:51 PM
Fucking hell. I swear 90% of my FB friends posted about this.

91% now

Kyra231
07-05-2011, 05:28 PM
During closing remarks I thought the defending attornies sounded like complete idiots. I didn't think she'd be found guilty, but how she wasn't found guilty of neglect or child abuse is beyond me. How can you not report a missing child for 30 days and get away scott free? If she'd been honest with the police she wouldn't have had any charges stick at all - which means it's ok to not report a missing 2 year old child for 30 days! Retarded.


And the judge... saying the fine was "fo hundred dollars" cracked me up on the middle finger kid.

I'm totally lost on how she got off on that one too. Anyone not in some media spotlight like her would get fucked sidewise twice if they didn't report their kids missing for 30+ days.

msconstrew
07-05-2011, 06:24 PM
... how?

I think the dual facts that all of the evidence was circumstantial (not a huge deal in and of itself) AND the fact that they were seeking the death penalty had something to do with it. Without hard evidence, a jury's going to be hard-pressed to put a woman to death.

Though I do think it odd that she was convicted of lying to the police, and yet not of the murder itself. That, to me, at least implies that the jury thought she knew something about the murder.

msconstrew
07-05-2011, 06:27 PM
We were discussing this around the office and wondering if the parents could sue for wrongful death like the golds did in the OJ trial to stop her from becoming a millionaire on books deals. Any lawyers wanna tell me how dumb I am for posting this?

You're not dumb, but who're you suggesting they sue for the kid's wrongful death? Mom's acquitted and there's no physical evidence to tie her to the murder. I know OJ was acquitted in a similar fashion, but OJ's situation was quite a bit different because there was at least SOME physical evidence to point to him being the culprit.

In addition, depending on the state, I don't know whether grandparents would have the requisite standing to sue the mom for the wrongful death of the grandchild (which is what I assume you meant).

Jayvn
07-05-2011, 07:36 PM
If
State cannot prove child was 'murdered'
Then
State cannot sentence accused of murdering child
Therefor
Not guilty


That pretty much sums up the last 45 days or so....
I really don't understand how child services was not involved with this family a long time ago though.. and for anyone who KNOWS FOR A FACT CASEY ANTHONY KILLED HER KID why weren't you up on the witness stand presenting the facts you were holding back? srsly?
We should put the rest of that bloodline into the gas chamber to make sure we eliminate whatever genetic trait they're passing down though...

g++
07-05-2011, 07:48 PM
Honestly I dont think the fucking waltons could stand up to the amount of media scrutiny that family has faced. I know my family would have a lot of shit in the street if a junior level reporter gave us 12 hours of his/her time heh.

Kuyuk
07-05-2011, 07:56 PM
Honestly I dont think the fucking waltons could stand up to the amount of media scrutiny that family has faced. I know my family would have a lot of shit in the street if a junior level reporter gave us 12 hours of his/her time heh.

This.

Jayvn
07-05-2011, 07:59 PM
I think Grandma was touching John Boy after the lights were all shut off...

subzero
07-05-2011, 10:35 PM
I love how so many people have faith and believe in men-in-the-sky, yet this dumb cunt isn't found guilty because she wasn't fucking video taped killing the kid. There's a whole lot of things that point to this bitch being responsible and not much of anything to lead one to believe it was someone else. That jury would be in trouble if I were King.

HJFudge
07-05-2011, 10:53 PM
The defense did their job better than the state.

We have a trial system in place for a reason: As much as it LOOKED like she was guilty, there wasn't really much actual evidence.

That being said: I am surprised by the verdict. I didn't watch most of it, but I caught the opening and closing statements...and I felt the Defense was stronger in both. But as I said, I didnt watch to see the actual evidence.

Bobmuhthol
07-05-2011, 10:57 PM
The verdict is not indicative of the defense doing a better job, because the defense absolutely did not do a better job.

HJFudge
07-05-2011, 11:53 PM
The verdict is not indicative of the defense doing a better job, because the defense absolutely did not do a better job.

That's a hard argument to make given the verdict. What, pray tell, are your indicators for doing a 'better job' in regards to criminal prosecution and defense other than "The Verdict"?

Tgo01
07-05-2011, 11:58 PM
That's a hard argument to make given the verdict. What, pray tell, are your indicators for doing a 'better job' in regards to criminal prosecution and defense other than "The Verdict"?

Some jurors don't give a damn about the testimony when it comes to the way they vote, especially when the death penalty is on the table.

Drisco
07-06-2011, 12:00 AM
The Prosecutors closing rebuttal was terrible. The media was saying how strong it was but the whole time I was thinking, man they aren't proving anything.

g++
07-06-2011, 09:48 AM
I think the point Bob is making is unless the closing argument produced a cause of death and a motive the prosecution had no chance. They did a good job with an extremely hard case but they probably should never have charged first degree murder in the first place because the evidence didnt exist.

Atlanteax
07-06-2011, 10:07 AM
The summed-up version?

http://cagle.com/working/110705/fitzsimmons.jpg

http://cagle.com/working/110705/crowe.jpg

HJFudge
07-06-2011, 10:46 AM
I think the point Bob is making is unless the closing argument produced a cause of death and a motive the prosecution had no chance. They did a good job with an extremely hard case but they probably should never have charged first degree murder in the first place because the evidence didnt exist.

Well fair enough, but it was up to the prosecution what charges they wanted to bring to the table in the first place.

In addition, they also charged her with a) Murder in the 2nd b) Child Abuse/Negligence and c) Manslaughter.

Those all were not guilty as well.

The jury could very well have found her not guilty for 1st degree murder, thus avoiding her getting the death penalty, and gone for murder 2 or Manslaughter. Or at LEAST child abuse.

But they couldn't prove ANY of that....according to the jury, anyway.

g++
07-06-2011, 11:12 AM
Well fair enough, but it was up to the prosecution what charges they wanted to bring to the table in the first place.

In addition, they also charged her with a) Murder in the 2nd b) Child Abuse/Negligence and c) Manslaughter.

Those all were not guilty as well.

The jury could very well have found her not guilty for 1st degree murder, thus avoiding her getting the death penalty, and gone for murder 2 or Manslaughter. Or at LEAST child abuse.

But they couldn't prove ANY of that....according to the jury, anyway.

Was kind of an all or nothing proposition really. I dont think they would get a manslaughter conviction either even if they took first degree murder off the table but at least it would have cost a whole lot less to run the trial and they might have gotten a hung jury.

I still think in my gut she did something pretty awful but the fact that she left no evidence behind and never confessed...what can you do. The state had to at least try, and they did. If you watched the trial the prosecution really did beat the defense. They got the defense to introduce evidence for them at one point, obliterated the defenses premise. As far as lawyer skill, I think the prosecution won but before the trial even began I knew I could never find her guilty of any of the high charges without solid evidence of how the girl died if I was on the jury. I dont think I could ever convict on murder without physical evidence, a confession, or circumstantial evidence with a good motive. They didnt have one of those things.

Latrinsorm
07-06-2011, 11:56 AM
I still think in my gut she did something pretty awful but the fact that she left no evidence behind and never confessed...what can you do.Universal surveillance!

Suppa Hobbit Mage
07-06-2011, 12:19 PM
On the radio yesterday, they were asking men since she was acquited, would they date her... I didn't hear a single man in my drive home (30 minutes) state they wouldn't.

And after reading this today... I think they are all KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAZZZZZZZZZZZZZZY

http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey_anthony_trial/casey-anthony-trial-mother-caylees-imaginary-friends/story?id=13988365

Ysamine
07-06-2011, 12:51 PM
I hope the woman she claimed took the baby (Nanny Zanny) who is filing a defamation of character suit against her gets every cent of the money Casey gets as a result of this trial. After all Casey was found guilty of lying to the police about this woman. I think that seals the defamation case right there. I just don't want see Casey profit from the death of her child.

Androidpk
07-06-2011, 08:15 PM
I just don't want see Casey profit from the death of her child.

Exactly. It's only fair if other people can profit off the little girls death!

g++
07-06-2011, 10:21 PM
When people say stuff like that I can actually hear my fathers voice in my head.

"Who the fuck told you anything was going to be fair?"

heh

Cephalopod
07-06-2011, 10:41 PM
http://i.imgur.com/hjlE1.jpg

Showal
07-06-2011, 11:34 PM
http://www.transformer-ivan.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/hide_yo.png

Parkbandit
07-07-2011, 08:00 AM
http://i.imgur.com/hjlE1.jpg

That is hilarious.

And there is some law in Florida that the state can tax a defendant to recoup costs associated with the crime to prevent someone who was found not guilty from profiting from the original crime.

NocturnalRob
07-07-2011, 11:01 AM
Just in time for multiple book and movie deals!

Today, Judge Belvin Perry, Jr. of Florida’s Ninth Circuit Court sentenced Anthony to four years in jail — one year for every count — and ordered her to pay $4,000 in fines. Because Anthony has already served nearly three years, the judge estimated that — with credit for time served — she will likely be a free woman by August.

Drew
07-07-2011, 11:15 AM
On the radio yesterday, they were asking men since she was acquited, would they date her... I didn't hear a single man in my drive home (30 minutes) state they wouldn't.



All women are crazy right? At least this crazy is a known quantity.

Sean
07-07-2011, 11:21 AM
All women are crazy right? At least this crazy is a known quantity.

If you don't want the burden of children and like to party it's a plus

Kuyuk
07-07-2011, 09:13 PM
I heard some rumor that someone offered her a porn deal, but then renegged on it due to bad publicity.

I just asked if she was gonna break out the duck tape during it...

Showal
07-08-2011, 06:28 AM
Duct tape.

CrystalTears
07-08-2011, 07:20 AM
http://www.tweak3d.net/forums/imagehosting/7564526f03054c8b.jpg

Kuyuk
07-08-2011, 08:32 AM
Duct tape.



SHOWS WHAT YOU KNOW!

Showal
07-08-2011, 08:55 AM
http://www.tweak3d.net/forums/imagehosting/7564526f03054c8b.jpg

THAT'S DUCK BRAND DUCT TAPE!

http://www.duckbrand.com/Products/duck-tape.aspx

Showal
07-08-2011, 08:59 AM
SHOWS WHAT YOU KNOW!

AND IT'S SHOWS WHAT YOUR KNOW!!!!

diethx
07-15-2011, 02:17 PM
Casey Anthony Appealing Conviction For Lying To Police (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/15/casey-anthony-appeal_n_899995.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec3_lnk1|78066#s293900&title=Hot_Body_Contest)

SERIOUSLY? :/

Tgo01
07-15-2011, 04:06 PM
Of course, being found guilty in a criminal trial pretty much guarantees she'll be found guilty in any civil trial. We can't have her being held accountable for her crimes after all.

WRoss
07-15-2011, 05:19 PM
So, who is going to watch the Casey Anthony porno when she is strapped for cash and lowers (maybe raises?) her morals?

diethx
07-15-2011, 05:30 PM
I'd rather pour bleach in my eyes.

Parkbandit
07-15-2011, 06:00 PM
So, who is going to watch the Casey Anthony porno when she is strapped for cash and lowers (maybe raises?) her morals?

I would say doing a gang bang scene would be a gigantic moral step up from where she's been... and as such I would support her in her new career choice.

subzero
07-15-2011, 07:30 PM
Casey Anthony Appealing Conviction For Lying To Police (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/15/casey-anthony-appeal_n_899995.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec3_lnk1|78066#s293900&title=Hot_Body_Contest)

SERIOUSLY? :/

Why not? She got away with killing her kid. This next one is child's play!

Rinualdo
09-15-2011, 02:30 PM
Looks like she has to pay back (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44537537/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/#.TnJEXewg2EU) at least 100,000$.

subzero
09-15-2011, 03:36 PM
Looks like she has to pay back (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44537537/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/#.TnJEXewg2EU) at least 100,000$.

Shouldn't be too bad. All she has to do now is sell stories and write a book.