Ragemode vs Mute

[YsoSrs]

Someone I know died, I located him, and I went to help. There were two people there and this is pretty much all that was said:

You ask, "You're just going to leave him?"
(OOC) -'s player whispers, "He was an AFK scripter stealing our kills."
- says, "Of course i'm gonna leave him."
(OOC) You quietly whisper to -, "And? So you killed him?"
(OOC) -'s player whispers, "GMs weren't doing anything about it and he stole at least a dozen kills, you want to AFK script play shattered."

So, because the GMs didn't get to him the SECOND he put in a report, he decided it would be a MUCH better idea to just go ahead and engage in PvP to teach that script hunter not to break rules?

Yeah, if you want to engage in PvP and this is the extent of your "roleplaying" abilities...you can go ahead and go to shattered, too. :)

I mean, I'm not the only one who sees the irony here, right?

[DCSL]

To be fair, AFK script hunters with shitty scripts ARE incredibly annoying.

[Gizmo]

So, you were the scripting alt too then I take it?

[Tgo01]

Why bother hiding the guy's name if you mention it anyway?

[Rahrah]

The script kept killing, searching (things he killed and things we killed) and taking the loot from the room. When you're doing an heirloom task then yes, it is beyond annoying.

[YsoSrs]

So, you were the scripting alt too then I take it?

Nope. I don't MA. Or script hunt. I honestly wouldn't have even cared if he hadn't pulled the whole "You can go play shattered if you want to..." crap. Not to mention, he's telling me all of this like I'm supposed to be like "Good job, sport! You've done well!"

[Axhinde]

If he was AFK script and ended up scalping, then yes, he is fair game. Its a cruel world.

[Gizmo]

Nope. I don't MA. Or script hunt. I honestly wouldn't have even cared if he hadn't pulled the whole "You can go play shattered if you want to..." crap. Not to mention, he's telling me all of this like I'm supposed to be like "Good job, sport! You've done well!"

Point your "friend" to Bigshot then, or better scripts I guess

[Kakoon]

if you located him only and weren't there how do you know it hadn't been on going? The guy said the AFK scripter stole at least a dozen kills, that doesn't happen in seconds. Any AFK scripter gets exactly what they deserve

[Warriorbird]

How exactly does it harm you if somebody kills AFK scripters? How does it make you special if you don't script? Are you a former Inferno player or something?

[YsoSrs]

I never said the scripter wasn't in the wrong. I'm just saying it's ironic how someone REPORTS someone, and childishly grows too impatient to wait for a response and comes to the conclusion "it'd be faster to break the rules and kill this guy, than to wait for the GMs that I reported him to..for breaking the rules".

Yeah he died and may have "deserved" it. But any tool who uses the REPORT verb and then engages in PvP when he doesn't get his way is kind of retarded.

[Warriorbird]

They might not necessarily have reported. They might've just gotten pissed.

This is a situation where WARN COMBAT would be still useful.

Some person interfering with your hunt gets whacked. I'm not seeing that as bad roleplay... especially with leaving the corpse.

[YsoSrs]

(OOC) -'s player whispers, "GMs weren't doing anything about it and he stole at least a dozen kills, you want to AFK script play shattered."

Just seemed like he reported, but I could have been wrong.

[Kakoon]

if the AFK scripter was stealing kills and loot from creatures that he didn't kill then he's stealing from the other character which is a good reason to do CvC. CvC may be frowned upon but not illegal.

[Eliaku]

I would not have let them get to the third poach.

They got what they deserve. I hate afk hunters.

[HJFudge]

Yeah he died and may have "deserved" it. But any tool who uses the REPORT verb and then engages in PvP when he doesn't get his way is kind of retarded.

Welcome to the current state of GS. People being retarded then patting each other on the back for being "So Cool"

[Gelston]

Far as I'm concerned, AFK scripters are to be killed on sight. Especially when they fuck up my hunting.

[Merala]

I've actually used AFK scripters to complete bounties when I was short on mana. When you AFK script, whether you're in Prime, Plat, or Shattered, you have whatever happens coming to you.

[Kajmir]

While AFK scripting is irritating and against policy (and I know how frustrating it can be, having experienced countless incidents of AFK scripters stealing kills and looting my kills which I needed to skin or search) I don't think it justifies unsolicited PvP - which is also against policy.

Admittedly I've always wished death upon scripting toons, but by script error or mob strength rather than my hand. (Perhaps I'm just too chicken to start sh*t.) After all, wouldn't CvC require both Characters to be present and, perhaps, willing to engage in the roleplay? If someone is truly scripting, then (s)he isn't in character, and it isn't CvC at all. At this point I believe only a GM can adequately fix the situation, considering I attempt to avoid OOC interaction as it entirely ruins the game for me.

In this particular situation I'm sure the GMs would merely say, next time use the REPORT verb, rather than taking matters into your own hands. Having had friends on both sides of these types of conflicts, I feel that REPORT really is the best solution: for example, scripter gets caught and can only be mad at his/her self, while reporter (ideally) feels satisfied that appropriate action was taken without having to dirty his/her own hands. Unless of course you like that sort of thing. PKing. In which case I imagine you'd seek out opportunities rather than try to avoid them.

But that's only my opinion.

[Warriorbird]

While AFK scripting is irritating and against policy (and I know how frustrating it can be, having experienced countless incidents of AFK scripters stealing kills and looting my kills which I needed to skin or search) I don't think it justifies unsolicited PvP - which is also against policy.

Admittedly I've always wished death upon scripting toons, but by script error or mob strength rather than my hand. (Perhaps I'm just too chicken to start sh*t.) After all, wouldn't CvC require both Characters to be present and, perhaps, willing to engage in the roleplay? If someone is truly scripting, then (s)he isn't in character, and it isn't CvC at all. At this point I believe only a GM can adequately fix the situation, considering I attempt to avoid OOC interaction as it entirely ruins the game for me.

In this particular situation I'm sure the GMs would merely say, next time use the REPORT verb, rather than taking matters into your own hands. Having had friends on both sides of these types of conflicts, I feel that REPORT really is the best solution: for example, scripter gets caught and can only be mad at his/her self, while reporter (ideally) feels satisfied that appropriate action was taken without having to dirty his/her own hands. Unless of course you like that sort of thing. PKing. In which case I imagine you'd seek out opportunities rather than try to avoid them.

But that's only my opinion.

That's just the thing. Would it not be solicited if they were conscious?

[Morph]

AFK scripting ruins the game. It's sad that the GM's don't take it more seriously.

[Asha]

Before people got clever at scripts, you could just quake or ewave and say woops. Leaving them on their back.
You definitely, definitely get into trouble for attacking someone and more so if killing them, even though they're stealing your shit and afk scripting.
I never understood that though.

If someone is scripting and constantly stealing your kills or majorly interfering with your hunt, even if they're at their keyboard paying attention, any GM would understand your actions if you disabled the character.
It's the fact they're AFK that makes it a HUGE no no, when you attack them.

I have been through this so many times with GMs in the past and it's inconsistent bullshit.

[YsoSrs]

I'm pretty sure Revarol/Kakoon just openly seeks PvP situations, or causes them. Some empath (not a new one or anything) kept taking everything off the bench that I put there..and then I'm assuming selling it since an empath wouldn't find them useful (like locksmith scrolls? enhancements). So I put a cursed wand on the bench and they picked it up literally 1 second later.

So I go to hunt after talking to the cursed person for a while, come back to town center, and Kakoon is standing there waiting for me. He exclaims something like "Put any more cursed items on the bench and I'll pick them up so I can kill you!" Of course Kakoon wasn't present for any of it, Revarol was. Though I'm sure Revarol just filled Kakoon in completely or something. Yesterday he was spikethorning people in town, too. Seems like it's just his thing. To each their own or whatever, but if you're not going to follow the rules don't get pissed at others for not following them? I mean, the scripter is probably just like you - he feels he can pick and choose which rules to follow?

PS Drayal is 100% right. Disabling is the way to go. What are they going to do in the end? "GM! They made my script break while I was running it afk, and then creatures killed me!"

[Rahrah]

For the record, since it keeps getting touched on. I am the one who reported about the scripting. He didn't. (Edited to add : I reported and did NOT attack anyone)

You were singing a completely different tune yesterday about the spike thorning, you also failed to mention that the person who got spike thorned attacked him first. If you're going to keep harping on the subject - stick with the facts.

[Nattor]

I'm not even sure checking scripters fixes the problem. Over the last couple of days I've been script checked a few times, on a few characters.
First I'd like to start out that I don't afk script.

Alchemy script -- fully auto never bothered
Fletching script -- fully auto never bothered
I Don't use hunting scripts --- I've been script checked on one character who was hunting.
Foraging script -- forages 5 times then exits. I move to another room and start it again. Checked twice now.

[mgoddess]

Some empath (not a new one or anything) kept taking everything off the bench that I put there..and then I'm assuming selling it since an empath wouldn't find them useful (like locksmith scrolls? enhancements). So I put a cursed wand on the bench and they picked it up literally 1 second later.
For the record, that empath was mine, and what she didn't actually use, she put back on the bench. What I snatched up, I knew my empath (or my other characters) could use, and figured I'd take it before checking my other characters first. As it turns out, the 404 scroll will be useful, but the 405 and 402 scrolls won't, so those went back on the bench. The only things I take off benches, with intention to sell, are locked boxes.

And I snatched up the cursed crystal wand, figuring it would be cursed, but then it'd be useful until it disintegrated during my next hunt. No harm done, really.

[Kakoon]

it was actually Taondal who told me that you were putting cursed items on the bench. You're not the first person who has done it nor will be the last. People before have been dealt this way those after you will be dealt this way. If you don't want your shit taken off the bench don't put it there, the only thing I don't like is when people take the white flasks off the bench and sell those.

Foxs attacked me first without provocation and it was settled by the GMs. Before running your mouth like an idiot, know your shit.

I've yet to break any rules, I warned you before hand about the cursed items. If I pick up an item you purposely cursed and put there AFTER being warned you're instigating CvC and I have no issue killing you with my bow since you obviously don't like spike thorn.

[Warriorbird]

I'm pretty sure Revarol/Kakoon just openly seeks PvP situations, or causes them.

You = totally the AFK scripter as evinced by you lack of willingness to identify them and constant painting of a dude who is not PVP obsessed and who got loot stolen as evil.

[milesalpha]

I think your scripter is getting off lucky. It used to be that his name would be spread around, treated as a persona non grata, and routinely killed for no good reason other than the rep. Oddly enough, we never had much of a problem with scripters. Go figure.

[audioserf]

I wonder if anyone has it built into their script to WARN INTERACT people who attack them. seems like the logical evolution of modern day GSIV conflict management

[Warriorbird]

I wonder if anyone has it built into their script to WARN INTERACT people who attack them. seems like the logical evolution of modern day GSIV conflict management

I know it exists in DR. Genie and Lich are not that different.

[Tgo01]

I wonder if anyone has it built into their script to WARN INTERACT people who attack them. seems like the logical evolution of modern day GSIV conflict management

Those warnings are useless anyways, the only time I used it I had to report/warn the same guy like a dozen times and the most the GMs ever did was tell me "Just try to ignore him."

[Asha]

If you've warned someone and they continue to fuck with you and a GM sees (due to your timely REPORT), they are in a heap of shit.

[Tgo01]

If you've warned someone and they continue to fuck with you and a GM sees (due to your timely REPORT), they are in a heap of shit.

GM's were never around (supposedly) whenever I reported the guy. One time I KNOW a GM was around for my report because he took over an NPC shortly afterward but apparently they 'didn't see him' doing anything after they got my report. After the GM stopped controlling the NPC the guy started up with the shit again so I reported him immediately and that was when I got a message from a GM (Andraste surprise surprise) who said "Just try to ignore him."

It was a joke really which is why I never bothered with that useless system ever again.

[Warriorbird]

GM's were never around (supposedly) whenever I reported the guy. One time I KNOW a GM was around for my report because he took over an NPC shortly afterward but apparently they 'didn't see him' doing anything after they got my report. After the GM stopped controlling the NPC the guy started up with the shit again so I reported him immediately and that was when I got a message from a GM (Andraste surprise surprise) who said "Just try to ignore him."

It was a joke really which is why I never bothered with that useless system ever again.

Andraste had a special "violate policy freely" policy for some people.

[Tgo01]

Reason: she's gone gone gone GOOOOOONNNEEE

Really? I never pay attention to these sorts of things. When did she leave? Why? Please tell me it was against her will.

[Kajmir]

Just to play devil's advocate, I am 100% certain that in this incident "rescuer"/"poster" and "scripter" are not the same individual. Simple deductive reasoning could prove that couldn't it? For example, if you are on toon A in one room, while scripting on toon B in another, wouldn't you check in on toon B occasionally? Perhaps often? Surely you wouldn't leave one screen running entirely unmonitored for, what was it, 30 minutes? while being active on another. That said, as the scripter was AFK, (s)he couldn't also be the rescuer, who was, clearly, at the keyboard. Course, I suppose no one has to take my word for it.

Furthermore, I sure wish all the hunting scripters I've come across could be mocked, ridiculed, and slandered across the forums and perhaps avoided in game as well, but I'm not one to "tattle" per se - it just isn't worth it to me. So all those people get off, don't even get a hand slap from a GM because I never bothered to say a word. I'd like to think karma will do it's part eventually. Perhaps the poster feels the same way.

[YsoSrs]

I think your scripter is getting off lucky. It used to be that his name would be spread around, treated as a persona non grata, and routinely killed for no good reason other than the rep. Oddly enough, we never had much of a problem with scripters. Go figure.

Yeah, I'm sure I was supposed to cower in fear as BigBird pointed his little finger at me and said it was me and say "Oh no it was (insert name here)!", but seeing how these people have been responding to the thread with their torches and pitchforks... I didn't see much reason to get my friend killed 1,000 times. A lot of people seem to jump the PvP bandwagon, or try wayyyy too hard to instigate what they would call "cvc" situations.

Though the way he's really getting off easy is that they decided PvP over Report, because the scripter would have been stripped of exp, prob loot, etc. (and maybe given a warning) rather than just dying/decaying (twice since they dragged him out to roltons after he decayed and he died again).

The funny thing is he actually didn't seem to care about being killed at all, he just said "Didn't think people hunted there or I would have written a better script" and completely ignored the fact that he had even died. So good job, you really taught him. :club:

[Rahrah]

One more time. We were not trying to "teach anyone a lesson". We were trying to finish the bounty that the scripter kept interrupting. We killed him once. He wouldn't have died again. Had you not come out to tsk us about our behaviour he probably would have been rescued. Keep on keeping on though, if you feel the need to keep overreacting.

Really, we're not some horrible monsters who schlep around Vaalor looking to pick a fight.

[Tgo01]

"I thought this hunting ground was built just for me."

[Warriorbird]

Just to play devil's advocate, I am 100% certain that in this incident "rescuer"/"poster" and "scripter" are not the same individual. Simple deductive reasoning could prove that couldn't it? For example, if you are on toon A in one room, while scripting on toon B in another, wouldn't you check in on toon B occasionally? Perhaps often? Surely you wouldn't leave one screen running entirely unmonitored for, what was it, 30 minutes? while being active on another. That said, as the scripter was AFK, (s)he couldn't also be the rescuer, who was, clearly, at the keyboard. Course, I suppose no one has to take my word for it.

Furthermore, I sure wish all the hunting scripters I've come across could be mocked, ridiculed, and slandered across the forums and perhaps avoided in game as well, but I'm not one to "tattle" per se - it just isn't worth it to me. So all those people get off, don't even get a hand slap from a GM because I never bothered to say a word. I'd like to think karma will do it's part eventually. Perhaps the poster feels the same way.

I'm not so sure you aren't the original poster.

[YsoSrs]

I'm not so sure you aren't the original poster.

I'm sure if I was on the PC enough to have 16,000 posts and obviously had no life for the past 8 years I would have developed better deductive skills. Maybe not, though. I could have turned out like you.

PS I told her not to post. I said there's at least ONE idiot out there who's going to say "You're just the OP". She decided to post anyway. You decided to prove me right.

In the end, it's okay. Because I like proving to her that I'm always right.

[Tgo01]

I'm sure if I was on the PC enough to have 16,000 posts and obviously had no life for the past 8 years I would have developed better deductive skills. Maybe not, though. I could have turned out like you.

PS I told her not to post. I said there's at least ONE idiot out there who's going to say "You're just the OP". She decided to post anyway. You decided to prove me right.

In the end, it's okay. Because I like proving to her that I'm always right.

Your screen name is appropriate right about now.

[Asha]

I'm sure if I was on the PC enough to have 16,000 posts and obviously had no life for the past 8 years ..

You play GS.
You are a dumb cunt, do you know that?

[DCSL]

I'm sure if I was on the PC enough to have 16,000 posts and obviously had no life for the past 8 years..

I enjoy the way some people seem to assume that each of our posts is a well-constructed and carefully thought over essay. Obviously, we write an outline, a few drafts, re-read the previous arguments if there are any, and then.. THEN we post. It really does take so long. My boyfriend recently hooked me up to a catheter so I don't have to move as much away from my computer, portal to the PC.

[Gelston]

While AFK scripting is irritating and against policy (and I know how frustrating it can be, having experienced countless incidents of AFK scripters stealing kills and looting my kills which I needed to skin or search) I don't think it justifies unsolicited PvP - which is also against policy.

Admittedly I've always wished death upon scripting toons, but by script error or mob strength rather than my hand. (Perhaps I'm just too chicken to start sh*t.) After all, wouldn't CvC require both Characters to be present and, perhaps, willing to engage in the roleplay? If someone is truly scripting, then (s)he isn't in character, and it isn't CvC at all. At this point I believe only a GM can adequately fix the situation, considering I attempt to avoid OOC interaction as it entirely ruins the game for me.

In this particular situation I'm sure the GMs would merely say, next time use the REPORT verb, rather than taking matters into your own hands. Having had friends on both sides of these types of conflicts, I feel that REPORT really is the best solution: for example, scripter gets caught and can only be mad at his/her self, while reporter (ideally) feels satisfied that appropriate action was taken without having to dirty his/her own hands. Unless of course you like that sort of thing. PKing. In which case I imagine you'd seek out opportunities rather than try to avoid them.

But that's only my opinion.

I find it solicited when they poach/loot my kills and steal my loot from those kills.

[Drakefang]

Let it go, Yso. At this point, there is zero chance of winning this discussion and with each post you just raise the angst against you. I thought the original post was plenty. You made your point. I found it somewhat valid. Unfortunately, you landed amidst the Vaalor elite.

Let it go.

[Warriorbird]

I'm sure if I was on the PC enough to have 16,000 posts and obviously had no life for the past 8 years I would have developed better deductive skills. Maybe not, though. I could have turned out like you.

PS I told her not to post. I said there's at least ONE idiot out there who's going to say "You're just the OP". She decided to post anyway. You decided to prove me right.

In the end, it's okay. Because I like proving to her that I'm always right.

So it's you and your girlfriend who was AFK scripting? Gotcha. Shows what I know. You look totally unbiased too.

Given your purchase of a capped character (trained by an alcoholic but awesome friend of most of us) in a text based MUD I'm not sure you can judge anybody's "life having." status.

Match.

[YsoSrs]

I never said I have a life. I just pointed at laughed that you didn't have one to make myself feel better.

If you're interested, it didn't work.
And apparently telling people not to post because people will think they're me makes us dating. I actually have no problem with that.
I didn't realize I bought something from an alcoholic.
And no, it was my guy friend (who interestingly enough is also an alcoholic) who was scripting, and probably passed out at his keyboard.

OKAY I'M NOT GOING TO LIE. I'm only mad because the corpse in this situation is supposed to be getting to 15 so he can help me with the guild, and no, I didn't realize he was going to AFK script to get there. But when I found out, I didn't exactly do anything to stop it. That's why I cared more than he did. I'm a terrible person. The end.

PS Yes, I know I'm a dumb cunt. Thank you Drayal.

[Warriorbird]

I never said I have a life. I just pointed at laughed that you didn't have one to make myself feel better.

If you're interested, it didn't work.
And apparently telling people not to post because people will think they're me makes us dating. I actually have no problem with that.
I didn't realize I bought something from an alcoholic.
And no, it was my guy friend (who interestingly enough is also an alcoholic) who was scripting, and probably passed out at his keyboard.

OKAY I'M NOT GOING TO LIE. I'm only mad because the corpse in this situation is supposed to be getting to 15 so he can help me with the guild, and no, I didn't realize he was going to AFK script to get there. But when I found out, I didn't exactly do anything to stop it. That's why I cared more than he did. I'm a terrible person. The end.

My problem with the situation was attempting to paint a person who I know is upstanding as an "awful PVPer" for whacking somebody AFK when somebody was repeatedly stealing his kills and loot for over a half an hour. It would be consent conscious. It should be unconscious too. It makes strong RP sense. It's player self initiative without kicking tools like your drunk friend out of GS's declining player base.

[Misun]

I enjoy the way some people seem to assume that each of our posts is a well-constructed and carefully thought over essay. Obviously, we write an outline, a few drafts, re-read the previous arguments if there are any, and then.. THEN we post. It really does take so long. My boyfriend recently hooked me up to a catheter so I don't have to move as much away from my computer, portal to the PC.

You mean you don't? I've been doing it wrong. :(

[rosewater]

You play GS.
You are a dumb cunt, do you know that?

QFT, and of note to anyone who posts on these boards yet tries to pretend they're above caring. You're here and posting, you give a shit, no screen name or post count could convince me otherwise.

[Showal]

QFT, and of note to anyone who posts on these boards yet tries to pretend they're above caring. You're here and posting, you give a shit, no screen name or post count could convince me otherwise.

I am above caring. Just wanted to post to add that and get an additional post for my post count.