Aljazeera finally acknowledges the execution

[Parkbandit]

What a complete joke this so called 'news' source is. In an editorial today, they believe the US was behind the execution to take pressure off the Bush administration for the prisoner abuse scandal.

:lol::lol:

[Trinitis]

Oh..right. Yah I could see us doing that!

:rolleyes:

[Skirmisher]

They had an article about it the same day everyone else did.

Maybe ithis is the first editorial, but to say they did not acknowledge it at all is in error.

[Siefer]

We should be bombing them. I'm sure they're filling young muslims with lies against the West.

[Zeyrin]

I think this whole thing will backfire on the chicken shit assholes who beheaded Nick Berg. You know it is bad when Islamic militant groups are denouncing the execution of an American.

We will get our revenge. I just hope the Bush Administration uses their collective heads and not just blindly start wiping out areas of 'suspected' activities. I believe the majority of the Iraqi people were disgusted by this beheading. This is something they have dealt with for years under Sadaam's control. It's just become more public now because the US is in control. The US is already on everyone's shit list. I hope W doesn't make it worse by doing mindless retaliations.

There is something for sure going to happen from all this. One of two things will happen:

1. This incident will deepen the chasm between Westerners and Arabs

or

2. It will unite them.

Only time will tell.

[TheEschaton]

That's kinda like saying...."There'll be peace in Palestine....or there won't."


-TheE-

[i remember halloween]

al jazeera is so ridiculously biased it's beyond absurdity.

[Chyrain]

Originally posted by i remember halloween
al jazeera is so ridiculously biased it's beyond absurdity.

yeah, it's right up there with Fox News.

[Souzy]

This crap saddens me. :cry:

[i remember halloween]

Originally posted by Chyrain

Originally posted by i remember halloween
al jazeera is so ridiculously biased it's beyond absurdity.

yeah, it's right up there with Fox News.

you obviously got quite a grasp on reality.

I was able to catch some Info on a documentary about Al Jazeera. They freely admit that they don't report all the news that they should. Their response is, We are a business and we need to give our audience what they want to see.

I also was amused by the part where one of the head producers of Al Jazeera said," If I was offered a job by fox news I would take it in a second."

[Skirmisher]

I find Al Jazeera a valuable news outlet to help me understand what many in the middle east are thinking.

I would say that of course it is biased. I don't think they really are that incredibly worse than Fox. They do not so much say that something did not happen as much as focus coverage on other things.

An analogy might be sports coverage. I love to go on the net the day after a big win or loss by my team to see what the opposing teams media coverage says and then to look at a neutral third party's media coverage might have to say. The reporters all saw the same game, yet amazingly different stories may be printed in each outlet. From all of them I cull the facts and get a much better overall picture than I could just from reading the beat reporter who normally follows my team even though he may know them in and out.

A wide range of news sources help me have a much better understanding of the world and Al Jazeera is one of them.

[i remember halloween]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
I find Al Jazeera a valuable news outlet to help me understand what many in the middle east are thinking.

I would say that of course it is biased. I don't think they really are that incredibly worse than Fox. They do not so much say that something did not happen as much as focus coverage on other things.

An analogy might be sports coverage. I love to go on the net the day after a big win or loss by my team to see what the opposing teams media coverage says and then to look at a neutral third party's media coverage might have to say. The reporters all saw the same game, yet amazingly different stories may be printed in each outlet. From all of them I cull the facts and get a much better overall picture than I could just from reading the beat reporter who normally follows my team even though he may know them in and out.

A wide range of news sources help me have a much better understanding of the world and Al Jazeera is one of them.

i take it you've watched extensive amounts of both fox, al jazeera, and an unquestionably unbiased news source to compare them both to? i thought so.

[Back]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
What a complete joke this so called 'news' source is. In an editorial today, they believe the US was behind the execution to take pressure off the Bush administration for the prisoner abuse scandal.

:lol::lol:

So they aren't allowed to spin like we do? Somehow in your little mind you think of them as less than you and your culture. You think them invalid as a voice, compared to say, The Wall Street Journal, owned by Dow Jones, or perhaps Miramax, owned by Disney.

You are very wrong in the title of this thread. Is that some sort of comforting measure you are taking for yourself? The "Us VS. Them" blanket you need to sleep better at night?

So what is YOUR solution to this? Just out of curiosity.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by i remember halloween

i take it you've watched extensive amounts of both fox, al jazeera, and an unquestionably unbiased news source to compare them both to? i thought so.

I haven't watched any Al Jazeera. It would be an exercise in futility as I do not speak arabic.

I read their website.

[GSTamral]

Fox news is slightly conservative, and is actually quite reputable as a news service, especially in comparison to the main network news of NBC, CBS and ABC, all of which are agenda based. CNN or more preferably Reuters is the most reliable source of news.

But to call fox news to be disreputable and not reporting facts when you use quotes and sources from places like the Salon, is rather hypocritical. Fox news is not the national review.

Al-Jazeera is about the same level of stupidity and extremism as the National Review, which is about a half step above sources such as the Salon, the Guardian, the Nation, or the IBD.

[FinisWolf]

Originally posted by LordAdredrin
Oh..right. Yah I could see us doing that!

:rolleyes:

Unfortunatly, I can see our government do something for just that reason. And yes, I believe in conspiracies, and I believe those in power, will do whats necessary to remain in power.

Finiswolf

[GSTamral]

<<<
So they aren't allowed to spin like we do? Somehow in your little mind you think of them as less than you and your culture. You think them invalid as a voice, compared to say, The Wall Street Journal, owned by Dow Jones, or perhaps Miramax, owned by Disney.
>>>

Neither CNN nor Reuters "spins". The only spin involved is specific news they are not allowed to report by government, when the matter is a matter of national security, and contrary to many conspiracy theorists, this doesnt happen often. Al-Jaziera is not held by this bound.

Again, I re-iterate. You want the best news, read Reuters. You want to watch the best news, its CNN, or BBC.

If you're going to read the national review, the salon, the guardian, the USA Today, the New York Post, the IBD, the Wall Street Journal or watch network news in order to get the facts of whats going on, you might as well just watch some wrestling. At least that stuff is entertaining bullshit, instead of just pure bullshit.

[FinisWolf]

I..., unfortunatly..., just watched the beheading..., all I can say is that it made me feel ill, and I could care less who did it, that sole person deserves a thousand horrible deaths.

Finiswolf

[Trinitis]

hmm..I guess I'm blind to the news sources then..I've always watched Fox news because it seemed the most ballenced to me.

[GSTamral]

I also vote to behead whoever in the media decided to start spreading and posting of the photographs of the Iraqi prisoners.

That the story should come out and people know about it is one thing, but to blatantly put the pictures for everyone to see is profiteering at the expense of the safety of the lives of our troops. Angering people with those photos may be a brilliant political move against Bush, but it has also put the lives of human beings in a great deal of danger because it has angered a great many fanatics.

I guess we always seem to forget that most of the media sources will do anything for a buck, include kill people, hurt people, and I'm not sure if the media is more or less dangerous than Bush's "I'm the right hand of god" approach in Iraq. I think I'm going to have to think for now, that they are more dangerous, because liberal media's actions in making such a big deal of the photos has angered fanatics and terrorists worldwide, and given them all kinds of new reasoning to repeat 9/11.

To think that this is the first time it has happened is BS. The great FDR knew all about it in WW2. Many war documentaries have painted the picture quite clear. In fact, the mortality rate amongst Iraqi prisoners is far far less than that of German POW's in the Winter of 1944. How about Kennedy? You think he DIDN'T know about what was going on in Vietnam? And those were CIVILIANS.

The media, in their anger at Bush, has chosen to solve the situation of by increasing the violent tension and increasing the chances of terrorist attacks against United States citizens.

[FinisWolf]

Gee, and to top off just watching that, I am watching Law & Order SVU (or whatever, don't really pay attention), and some guy had his shit wacked off.

Finiswolf

[Ravenstorm]

That it happened before only means it's even more inexcusable now as they can't claim ignorance of the possibility. 'Those who fail to learn from history...' and all that. It wasn't right then and it's certainly not now.

Nor was it just a few 'kids having fun' episodes, no matter how some people try to write it off as that. The Pentagon just changed interrogation policies that one retired general called outright 'violations of the Geneva Conventions'. The same policies the Red Cross put in its report. There's that photo of the civilian contractor and four people from military intelligence standing over the Iraqi on the ground.

I'm very glad the photos were shown and hope they all are. The Islamic world needs to know how horrified the majority of Americans are and that we DO NOT CONDONE what happened. That we aren't hypocrites preaching what we refuse to practice. That the offenders will be dealt with to the highest level (hopefully).

We, America, and all the countries in the West, require the assistance of the Islamic countries to put down Al-Quaeda and all terrorists. We can NOT look like the bad guys in this. This is more than a war against people; it's a war for the opinion and good will of the Islamic people. If they hate us, you can be sure terrorists will thrive in their countries with their approval. If they become our allies, the terrorists will not have a fertile ground to breed their hatred.

America being shocked and horrified is the best thing possible to offset what's happening right now. The next step is see to it that it never happens again and that those responsible or punished just as severely as anyone would be if the situation was reversed. Bullying the Middle East is not going to work to win this. We can not bomb every cave on two continents. We need their help and this is certainly not getting it for us.

I just hope Al-jazeera reports accurately about how we're reacting so the average person over there knows. It's possibly the best propoganda we could have right now.

Raven

[i remember halloween]

Originally posted by Ravenstorm
I just hope Al-jazeera reports accurately about how we're reacting so the average person over there knows. It's possibly the best propoganda we could have right now.

Raven

yea well keep hoping because it's not happening

[TheEschaton]

I also vote to behead whoever in the media decided to start spreading and posting of the photographs of the Iraqi prisoners.

That the story should come out and people know about it is one thing, but to blatantly put the pictures for everyone to see is profiteering at the expense of the safety of the lives of our troops. Angering people with those photos may be a brilliant political move against Bush, but it has also put the lives of human beings in a great deal of danger because it has angered a great many fanatics.


Wasn't the publishing of the initial pictures a "Save My own Ass" deal? One of the father's of the military types who was being investigated, gave the pictures to 60 Minutes II to prove his son was TOLD to do this (via the hoods, dog collars, etc)?

-TheE-

[imported_Kranar]

How many people actually understand Arabic to be able to watch Al-Jazeera?

Interesting those who criticize it the most are the ones who can't understand a word of it.

They have a webpage with english translations Kranar.