Shitty Training into Better with fixskills?

[Kuyuk]

Alright, my rogue is pretty shittily trained. I'd like some imput after reading anticor's thread about what I'd like to do.


(at level 38), your base skill bonuses, ranks and goals are:
Skill Name | Actual Actual
| Bonus Ranks Goals Time to Goal
Two Weapon Combat..................| 136 38.092 0 31 in-game hours
Armor Use..........................| 140 40 40
Shield Use.........................| 160 60 60
Combat Maneuvers...................| 142 42 42
Edged Weapons......................| 180 80 80
Ambush.............................| 175 75 75
Physical Fitness...................| 122 31 31
Dodging............................| 148 48 48
Arcane Symbols.....................| 70 15.884 14 5 in-game hours
Disarming Traps....................| 210 110 110
Picking Locks......................| 210 110 110
Stalking and Hiding................| 196 96 96
Perception.........................| 210 110 110
Climbing...........................| 74 16 16
Swimming...........................| 50 10 10
Pickpocketing......................| 180 80 80

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 1 1
Training Points: 1 Phy 15 Mnt


Now if that doesnt make some people cry, I dont know what will.

I'm losing 2 weapon combat cause it sucks. I'll prolly boost arcane back up to 20 so I can read any scroll again. I hate not knowing ;-)


So, I originally was gonna 2x shield for the added DS, but after seein that no one else does, I probably wont, but I'd like some discussion about why.

2x OHE
2x Ambush
2x PT
1x shield
45 ranks armor
1.5x CM
2x dodge


I'd like to add in:
3x Disarm
3x Pick
3x Perc
2x Pickin Pockets
15 ranks Climb
15 ranks swim
20 ranks Arcane

Up to 404 in spells.

I dont really know how many points that'll cost, but that's my hopes. I could be missing something.


K.

[Anebriated]

why do we have 3 threads on rogue training?

[TheEschaton]

You're doing 2.75x picking and disarming. And perception. If you want to be an effective hunter, and a picker after, I'd go 2x in all those skills, and go up to 404, and you'll be pretty effective as a picker as well.

PT should be at least 1x for stamina/redux purposes.

Dodging should be 1.5x at the LEAST (2x is standard).

I would drop shield to 1x.


OTher then that...<shrug> I don't like pickpocketing, so I'd drop all 80 ranks, but I suppose some people like it.

-TheE-

[Artha]

why do we have 3 threads on rogue training?

Because it seems impolite to piggy back on somebody else's.

[Bobmuhthol]

I 2x picking, disarming, ambush, dodging, and pickpocketing. I 3x hiding and perception. Even that cuts back on hunting skills, but I'm pretty well-rounded.

[Fengus]

With a rogue and the cheap dodge its more effective to spend less on shields and more on dodge.

You don't need 45 ranks of armor if you are stopping at brig. Tripling perception isn't needed with a tripled picker. You'll need more swim and climb than that but you can get it when you need it.

Why did you switch from twohanders?

[Edaarin]

Here's my take.

Bump shield down to 1x. Those extra 20 ranks cost you 160 PTP's, and get you maybe another 5-6 DS which won't matter in the long run.

Drop pick/disarm down to 2.5x or 2x and get 404. That's more than enough to pick your own boxes (and a few levels higher) up until at least level 70, and by that time you'll have a new fixskills anyway.

Bump physical training to 1x, it's not expensive. Dodge also needs to be 2x.

Drop perception to 2x. Some swear by even 1x at higher levels. 3x is overkill.

[Kuyuk]

I've been thinking of pushing physical training to 1.5x or even 2x for nice redux(If I have the points), any thoughts/comments about this would be great?


K.

[Bobmuhthol]

My PF is at 1.4x, 50% at level 63.

[Kuyuk]

How do you know what % your redux is? I just bumped PT up 22 ranks to see what difference it'd make... I took a pretty good hit hunting;


A greater bog troll swings a rusted peat axe at you!
AS: +340 vs DS: +273 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +71 = +170
... and hits for 22 points of damage!
Slash to your chest!
That heart's not broken, it's only scratched.

Gave me a minor, and those axes hurt usually.


K.

[Bobmuhthol]

Assuming that's a handaxe vs. brig, your redux is 36.50793903088434%. For that attack, anyway.

[Kuyuk]

Neat. But how'd ya get the number? ;p


K

[Stunseed]

xygon.net has a redux calculator. Bob knows the full formula by heart, I think.

[Kuyuk]

Well, here's how he looks:

Skill: Ranks:
Armor .............. 40
Shield .................. 41
OHE ................... 82
CM ......................61
Dodge ...................82
PT ........................82
Ambush .................82
Climbing ................20
Swimming...............20
Disarm....................82
Picking .................. 82
Stalking .................82
Perc...................... 82
Harness Power.........1
Minor Elem. .............4
Pickin pockets ........56 (I used all extra points here)


Got a few hours to make suggestions since they havent implimented the fixskills yet. Fuckers.


K.

[Edited on 5-20-2004 by Kuyuk]

[Edited on 5-20-2004 by Kuyuk]

[Kuyuk]

swings a silver-edged black rolaren backsword at you!
AS: +337 vs DS: +222 with AvD: +28 + d100 roll: +51 = +194
... and hits for 15 points of damage!
Well aimed shot almost removes an eye!
You are stunned for 3 rounds!


Try that one bob. :-D

K.