Song of Tonis

[dmac188]

Does the song of Tonis stack with Haste?

[inso]

No, haste overwrites it.

[ThatOneGuy]

At what level does using tonis for the whole hunt become viable?

[Gelston]

Haste doesn't overwrite it. It is just like casting haste with haste on, nothing happens. Whichever you have on first is what you'll have on Tonis is better due to gaining dodge ranks.

[inso]

May be air lore dependent, because it definitely overwrites for me:

Khistian gestures at you.
You begin to notice the world slow down around you. Strange.
>1035
You change your tune slightly, adding the element for Song of Tonis to your song...
Your spellsong is ready.
You weave another verse into your harmony.
As you sing, an invigorating squall of wind swirls around you and you hear a barely audible burst of laughter. You feel yourself moving a bit more smoothly and quickly than before!
A brief squall of wind swirls around the rest of your group.
Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>
[ Song of Tonis: +0:01:00, 0:01:00 remaining. ]
A black forest ogre is suddenly overtaken by a windy vortex!
>att
You fire an arrow at a black forest ogre!
Roundtime: 4 sec.
Roundtime changed to 3 seconds.
>
Khistian gestures at you.
Your surroundings seem to speed back up for just a moment, but then come to a crawl even slower than before!
You begin to notice the world slow down around you. Strange.
>att
>
You fire an arrow at a black forest ogre!
Roundtime: 4 sec.
Roundtime changed to 1 second.

[Gelston]

WEIRD, how many bard spells you got? Haste has never gone over my 1035

[Gelston]

Khistian's haste probably trumps your Bard 1035. It may very well be training related. I SHALL TEST LATER.

[inso]

40 bard ranks, not enough air lore to hit the first breakpoint

Wizard has 100 air lore.

[Gelston]

That is probably why it would in your case. My capped wizard, with 0 air lore was never able to haste my capped bard, with shitloads of air lore when he had 1035 up.

[inso]

Yep. I'll try it again too when I get more air lore on my bard. 30 is the next mini-project for TPs, should be a level or two.

[Anebriated]

I would look into who cast more recently.


Bard begins a musical chant...
Bard sings a melody.
Nothing happens.
>
Bard begins a musical chant...
Bard sings a melody.
As Bard sings, a squall of wind briefly swirls around you. You feel yourself moving more smoothly and quickly than before!
>
[ Song of Tonis: +0:01:00, 0:01:00 remaining. (Bard) ]
att bard
You swing a bone-hilted faenor claidhmore at Bard!
Bard gauges the attack and expertly deflects it with his orase aegis!
Roundtime: 9 sec.
Roundtime changed to 8 seconds.
>506
You recite a series of mystical phrases while raising your hands, invoking Haste...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture.
Your surroundings seem to speed back up for just a moment, but then come to a crawl even slower than before!
You begin to notice the world slow down around you. Strange.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>
[ Haste: +0:01:07, 0:01:07 remaining. ]
att bard
Wait 1 seconds.
>att bard
You swing a bone-hilted faenor claidhmore at Bard!
Bard easily blocks the attack with his orase aegis!
Roundtime: 9 sec.
Roundtime changed to 4 seconds.
>
Bard begins a musical chant...
Bard sings a melody.
As Bard sings, a squall of wind briefly swirls around you. You feel yourself moving more smoothly and quickly than before!
>
[ Song of Tonis: +0:01:00, 0:01:00 remaining. (Bard) ]
att bard
You swing a bone-hilted faenor claidhmore at Bard!
With incredible finesse, Bard deflects the attack with his orase aegis!
Roundtime: 9 sec.
Roundtime changed to 8 seconds.

[Gelston]

Perhaps, and I only did it once, but I tried to haste my already 1035'd bard and it was a no go.

[Drakefang]

At what level does using tonis for the whole hunt become viable?

Using 1018, hunting solo and to fry and not bounty completion, probably just as you are starting to finish up the Stronghold upper area. By the time you are in minotaurs I was running it almost the whole time. Using 1013 you can extend a hunt even more. Some bounties just take a long time to complete and that's hard without someone who can share.

If you feel hunting with 1018 up the entire time is not safe and you won't use it, then you'll struggle til in your 80's. Also, everything you do to train makes a difference. Telepathy lore and lots of it can really extend your ability to sing Tonis because all of your songs will last long and renew less. MMC training will allow 1013 to pull more mana. The right cmans mean you aren't using 1005 to take down/prep critters. It all matters and adds up.

[Drakefang]

To answer the OP, any time I cast 1035 it removes haste from players. Wizards and MIU using hasters (I assume with air lore) needed to recast after I sing it. Since this is usually just during large group hunts it was never an issue.

I do not know about haste being cast on my bard with Tonis already up. Never tested it that I recall.

[Lumi]

Whichever has the stronger haste effect should trump the other.

Note that in addition to giving dodge ranks, Tonis will also NOT drop off immediately if you use MSTRIKE (unlike Haste). A nifty little bonus if you have a lot of MoC training.