Help I FAIL

[Veneyeth]

Strength (STR): 70
Constitution (CON): 20
Dexterity (DEX): 51
Agility (AGI): 60
Discipline (DIS): 70
Aura (AUR): 62
Logic (LOG): 79
Intuition (INT): 80
Wisdom (WIS): 79
Influence (INF): 89

Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 72 (6) ... 72 (6)
Constitution (CON): 37 (-6) ... 31 (-9)
Dexterity (DEX): 58 (9) ... 58 (9)
Agility (AGI): 66 (18) ... 66 (18)
Discipline (DIS): 79 (19) ... 79 (19)
Aura (AUR): 68 (9) ... 68 (9)
Logic (LOG): 85 (22) ... 85 (22)
Intuition (INT): 86 (23) ... 86 (23)
Wisdom (WIS): 88 (19) ... 88 (19)
Influence (INF): 94 (17) ... 94 (17)
Mana: 81 Silver: 0

(at level 18), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 40 8
Physical Fitness...................| 86 19
Arcane Symbols.....................| 86 19
Magic Item Use.....................| 86 19
Spell Aiming.......................| 136 38
Harness Power......................| 136 38
Mental Mana Control................| 86 19
Spirit Mana Control................| 86 19
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 86 19
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 86 19
Climbing...........................| 50 10
Swimming...........................| 50 10
First Aid..........................| 136 38

Spell Lists
Major Spirit.......................| 14

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 7

Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 18


I need some help i was trying to go for a runestaff setup but i cant even come close hunting at my own level. joined GOS and can only take one grimswar at a time and even that is risking it ... Just got taken out with one hit by one today and i had about every spell i could get with my own spells masses and the minor wizard spells.

Its an old char so i dont really want to reroll unless that is the only way. would consider buying a pot from someone.

Thanks in advance.

[subzero]

I need some help i was trying to go for a runestaff setup but i cant even come close hunting at my own level. joined GOS and can only take one grimswar at a time and even that is risking it ... Just got taken out with one hit by one today and i had about every spell i could get with my own spells masses and the minor wizard spells.

As far as hunting without outside help (ie: wands), you're pretty much limited to 1101 as your hunting spell due to the mana cost of bone shatter. I'm sure there will be people who disagree with the path I took, but I started off singling in manipulation lore because it does increase the 1101 damage a bit. I stopped at 28 ranks (threshold for -28 TD on 1110's CS attacks), but dropped down to 15 not too long ago so I could pick up some other lores instead.

Hunting with 1101 is fucking boring. Slow, boring, and potentially dangerous because you will never stun or otherwise incapacitate anything with 1101. This brings us to wands. You 2x spell aiming, so I'd mainly look to use wizard wands. Twisted wands work, but I think you'll hit your target much more frequently with bolts. You could also buy/have someone make bone shatter wands for you, but that could get expensive (haven't played prime in a long time and have 0 idea what the mats are for wands, etc). I'm not sure how well you'll be able to activate some of the better (gold, blue, and crystal) wands with your current MIU, so you may need to consider going to 1.5x or 2x there depending on how hard a time you're having with them. I think you'd be fine with coral wands, though, and they're pretty good. Generally, I'm not a fan of using wands. Even through low levels, I'll bullheadedly avoid them. I have, however, leveled an empath to the mid 20s solo in prime and had to force myself to use wands. The sooner you embrace them, the better off you'll be.

As for the grimswarm, I'm far from being real experienced with GoS, but I MA my empath with a sorcerer. Started working on camps somewhere between 30-40, I think, and very rarely even thought about using a CS spell aside from 135. What I did is pretty simple. Trolls don't like fire. I have two characters that can cast 111. The result of this little formula is that I don't think I ever stepped foot in a non-troll camp. My camps went something along these lines:

I'd do some softening up of the things in the room with a couple shots of 111 from both guys, then the empath would (mana permitting) hit something(s) with 1110 (might as well let those CS cycles do some damage while I do other things, like light more trolls on fire), and then depending on the situation the sorcerer would either help whittle the remaining critters down with CS spells or if there were still a good number of them, I'd set up an open 720 combo to set off a massive deluge of troll-stuff.

Long story short, I'm not sure how well you should expect to do in warcamps while being a low-level, spellcasting empath. Seems to me you'll have a much better time of it when you can more reliably use your higher level spells, cause those bastards have a lot of HP. You won't want to be using 1101 and you'll simply run out of mana trying to kill things with 1106.

[Veneyeth]

i dont mind hunting with 1101 my problem right now is even fully spelled up in guarded i get one hitted all the time by like level creatures. both in the ds and the td department. is there something i can do to change this or just hunt under level till im in my thirties?

[subzero]

You might be stuck underhunting for a little bit. Unless it's your agi/dex stats wrecking your DS, I'm not sure why you're having much problem there if you're getting outside spells. I don't think I had much problem with my empath and the only outside spells he used were guards. It could also be that you're picking the wrong critters to hunt.

Also, your dex stat and subsequent bonus is pretty low. If you're going to use wizard wands and/or plan to regularly use bolts later on, it may be worth it to re-roll now. It's never fun, but you could maybe set yourself up a little better before you level too much. Even in Prime I think you would be able recoup most of those levels within the first 30 days.

[Veneyeth]

I moved my stats around in Tsorans trainer spreadsheet to have
STR 75
CON 22
DEX 76
AGL 76
DIS 65
AUR 62
LOG 70
INT 70
WIS P,M 69
INF S,M 75
at info start...

but the defense tab went down.
I get to the current training path at about 22 minus a few climbing swiming ranks but i should be ok without those going with GoS

the real confusion is the defense tab went down.

[Potzer01]

Fighting the grimswarm is annoying as hell...

I just switched to GoS myself in my mid-fourties, I can mebbe take 3 at a time, if theres more I have to go.

They all have so many hps, the casters will dispell/mess your world up.

I'd ignore them if you're hunting solo, and keep looking for GoS kill tasks on regular critters.


At your level I was hunting Wraiths until my mid twenties. That was back in the day when I could steal their clouds from them though, I was also swinging.

I don't know exactly why you're having a problem with defense, but I would suspect It'll get better at 19 once you get 1119. You are using 102 right? It goes a long way for a casting path. Also make sure you're not encumbered, if my defense is low, its cause I'm carrying too much crap.

I would also try to get to 120 asap.

You should probably be living on wands currently.

[subzero]

but the defense tab went down.
I get to the current training path at about 22 minus a few climbing swiming ranks but i should be ok without those going with GoS

the real confusion is the defense tab went down.

I don't know how accurate most of those tabs are. I've never bothered to use them really. If you have the last version(4.4.2.8), I've noticed the TP calcs seem to be off on all the characters I put in (oddly enough, all are spot on in 4.4.2.7) so I don't have a whole lot of faith in the combat tabs being correct.

You'll probably want 15-20 climbing ranks by 30, but swimming you can skip for quite a while unless you're planning on hunting some of the newer places in RR.

[Axhinde]

The Ranged and Runestaff DS calculations or not even close in the spreadsheet. The others seem relatively accurate enough, though not down to specific DS. Close enough, though.

Just as a suggestion, I know mana is probably low presently at level 18 but you could free up TPs by dropping Harness Power down to 1x as well as drop some ranks in MjS, and up your MnS spells. 102 is a huge DS booster.

[subzero]

He wants to get 215 for bolting/wizard wands. After that he can focus more on minor spirit.

[Veneyeth]

I do use 102, I guess i do get encumbered easy. 3 boxes = light encumberance. I can barely hunt wraiths with wands but possible.