Claidh + Bard = viable or garbage?

[Xorai]

Not sure if this has been asked before, but I am wondering if a claidh swinging bard would be worth making? Any opinions appreciated, good or bad.

Also to make things worse, I was thinking Half-Krolvin.

Thanks

[Edited on 5-10-2004 by Spidr]

[Soulpieced]

Your DS will be beyond aweful.

[Xcalibur]

Claidh = 8 seconds. So you need to have at least 23 of dex-ag bonus to remove 2 seconds and not be killed during stance dancing.

Beside that.. eh, when having 1035, i'd guess you'd be better than a war mage, if you're able to get the RT low enough.

For ds, i don't think you'll have problems if you plan what you'll hunt carefully.

[Xorai]

Hmm, so polearm users provide more defense than 2 handed weapons?



Thanks

[Wezas]

Well, considering you won't get either runestaff nor DF redux, defense could be quite a problem. On the other hand, bards have some nice spells at their fingertips that could definately help a two-hander. Singing up a nice decently enchanted two-handed sword could also be beneficial (don't think you can sing up a "claid")

[Weedmage Princess]

<blinks>

I looked at the thread and the first thing that came to mind was some freaky Chadj/Warclaidhm adult/slash fan-fiction story.

That turkey sandwich didn't taste as good coming up as it did going down either.

[Xorai]

Lol, sorry.

[Xcalibur]

Don't be sorry.. You get weird phantaisies with time...

:cool:

[Xorai]

I remember reading in one of the threads about Soulpieced having around a 1200 DS. This is one reason why I figured the defense using a 2 hander wouldn't be to bad.

[FinisWolf]

Bards and claids go together like white on rice. It's a perfect match, a marriage made in heaven! No way would I ever change my bard that swings a claid. He is train 11, swings at 5, is a giant, and hunts artic manticores that are 29 with his own spells.

Someday, I will take the time to get him older, but for the moment I seem to be focusing on my warrior, with a little attention to my wizard.

I will say you can lose some attention to lores, but for the most part I see my bard as a mean lil bastard. I am sure that Chadj could provide you with a bit better info on bards, since he is a mean lil bastard as well.

Finiswolf

[FinisWolf]

O! And no, you can not sing up a claid.

Finiswolf

[Xorai]

<<He is train 11, swings at 5, is a giant, and hunts artic manticores that are 29 with his own spells.>>


Wow, seriously? That is awesome. How is your defense?

[Chadj]

I prefer a polearm over a claidh because you can't sing a claidh up ::nods::

[AnticorRifling]

2hPolearms only add a slight DS bonus over a 2hander

+15 in offensive stance
+30 in any other I think, might just be defensive

It's viable, it works, you just have to be picky about hunting and do something weird like DONT HUNT IN ONLY OFFENSIVE STANCE.

My dwarf bard is 23, uses polearms, hunts self spelled with zero chance of getting hurt unless it's man attack. I hunt him in forward stance, his swing is enough to hit and big daddy polearm does the rest I imagine a claid would do the same.

[Fengus]

Since poles are cheaper (TPs) I would go with them over a claid for a bard.

The low DS is tough, and if you are getting spells you will not have any redux, and doubling or tripling dodge is pretty expensive. Warriors and rogues survive since they can get lots of armor, redux and can double and triple dodging. Also there are 1H and 2H poles so you can pick up a shield if you need it for some purpose.

And forget about Soulpieced's DS that was in GS3, different world now.

[FinisWolf]

Originally posted by Spidr
<<He is train 11, swings at 5, is a giant, and hunts artic manticores that are 29 with his own spells.>>


Wow, seriously? That is awesome. How is your defense?

He dances alot, but in all his DS is fine, most he has ever gotten from them is a 2, and that was because I didn't dance because I thought I had the varmit.

Namely, you walk in, let them attack and run, follow, swing (with a claid you are ruining their friggin life in a permanent manner), then drop to def unless you gave em a damn good stun. Pretty easy really, its all the claid I think. My little train 11 bard see's more damage to critters on a regular basis then my train 45 warrior that swings his backsword, I think for obvious reasons, and thats that claids ROCK!

So, in summation, if you are going to over hunt like that, make sure you know the tango.

Finiswolf

[FinisWolf]

Chadj, I know you are a little bad ass, but given the choice, I will pay the extra for the claid, namely because I know at some point my bard will move to a mithril claid at least, and with claids its not your AS that means jack, its simply getting a hit, the weight does the rest, though I must admit, I have watched you hunt, and its friggin awesome to see you get an endroll of like 130, and dose the critter with like 40 damage, where my bard and his claid get the same roll and do about 50 to 60 damage, and if we talked what Finis gets with the same end roll, it would be like 8 damage.

So, basically, definetly go two handed, its fun as all hell, sure, you might get beat on, but what the hell, when you can drop stuff thats way way over your head, and laugh at them while doing it.

Finiswolf

[Wezas]

Originally posted by FinisWolf
He is train 11, swings at 5, is a giant, and hunts artic manticores that are 29 with his own spells.

A giant swinging a claid in 5 seconds? Can you post your stats? REF&AGL must be high as hell.

[Xcalibur]

They will be at 100-96 or 98 98.

Cannot be lower.

[FinisWolf]

Originally posted by Wezas

Originally posted by FinisWolf
He is train 11, swings at 5, is a giant, and hunts artic manticores that are 29 with his own spells.

A giant swinging a claid in 5 seconds? Can you post your stats? REF&AGL must be high as hell.

Just for you Wezas...

Strength (STR): 75 (27) ... 75 (27)
Constitution (CON): 41 (6) ... 41 (6)
Dexterity (DEX): 83 (11) ... 83 (11)
Agility (AGI): 92 (16) ... 92 (16)
Discipline (DIS): 30 (-10) ... 30 (-10)
Aura (AUR): 100 (20) ... 100 (20)
Logic (LOG): 71 (5) ... 71 (5)
Intuition (INT): 54 (2) ... 54 (2)
Wisdom (WIS): 55 (2) ... 55 (2)
Influence (INF): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)

He started at 6, and dropped to 5 at about train 8 or 9 if I recall correctly, but since he is just a change of pace char, I don't recall exactly.

Finiswolf

[FinisWolf]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
They will be at 100-96 or 98 98.

Cannot be lower.

Close, but not correct.

Finiswolf

[FinisWolf]

I think part of it is, his claid only weighs 8, but hey, who the hell knows, I only know I swing at 5. ::shrug::

Finiswolf

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by FinisWolf

Originally posted by Xcalibur
They will be at 100-96 or 98 98.

Cannot be lower.

Close, but not correct.

Finiswolf

Bonus combined: 8-23-38

38 = 19+ 19 OR 20+18

So you need either 19, 19 in agi and dex

Or 20, 18.

Giants get that at 100, 96, or 98, 98.

Best swinging of claidh are still war mages:smug:

If you swing that claidh at 5 seconds EVERY swing, then it's:

1) not a claidh (claidh =8)

2) a bug

3) something's wrong.

[Edited on 11-5-04 by Xcalibur]

[FinisWolf]

Originally posted by Xcalibur

Originally posted by FinisWolf

Originally posted by Xcalibur
They will be at 100-96 or 98 98.

Cannot be lower.

Close, but not correct.

Finiswolf

Bonus combined: 8-23-38

38 = 19+ 19 OR 20+18

So you need either 19, 19 in agi and dex

Or 20, 18.

Giants get that at 100, 96, or 98, 98.

Best swinging of claidh are still war mages:smug:

If you swing that claidh at 5 seconds EVERY swing, then it's:

1) not a claidh (claidh =8)

2) a bug

3) something's wrong.

[Edited on 11-5-04 by Xcalibur]

Do you hand out tylenol with all that? Please say "Yes.".

Finiswolf

[Xcalibur]

No no, I want you to say you were wrong;)

[FinisWolf]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
No no, I want you to say you were wrong;)

I am not wrong though. :prod: I can care less what the math says, I know he swings at 5, but like I said, it could be his *lighter* claid?

Finiswolf

[FinisWolf]

Originally posted by FinisWolf
[quote]Originally posted by Xcalibur
No no, I want you to say you were wrong;)

Ok, here goes...

"You were wrong."

Finiswolf :lol:

[Fengus]

Originally posted by FinisWolf
...endroll of like 130, and dose the critter with like 40 damage, where my bard and his claid get the same roll and do about 50 to 60 damage, and if we talked what

You're overlooking the fact that the difference there is all crit damage. Going against something that doesn't crit; that mith claid is just a low enchant greatsword. Bards do not need the crit weighting to get a stun like squares, they can sleep and slaughter with a lance.

[Chadj]

The training cost for bards with claidhs is also a problem.

And since my lance flares 67% of the time, and does an average of about 23 per flare, and crits about 23% of the flares, well.. I will stick with the sonic stuff. (Didn't pull these stats outta my ass. I used PsiNet's count option to see how i did over the course of 400 swings, did the math with the rest.)

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by FinisWolf

Originally posted by Xcalibur
No no, I want you to say you were wrong;)

I am not wrong though. :prod: I can care less what the math says, I know he swings at 5, but like I said, it could be his *lighter* claid?

Finiswolf

Purely math speaking, my friend, you are wrong.

You have a total bonus of dex and agility of 27

Since to remove 1 second, it takes a combined bonus of 8, you have it

Since to remove 2 seconds, it takes a combined bonus of 23, you have that too.

Since to remove 3 seconds, it takes a combined bonus of 38, you don't have that one.

Claidhmore rt is still 8?

8-2=6

So, it's either a bug or your claidhmore is not a claidhmore.

Have 400000 ranks in the handed won't change that fact, nor having 200 of strength (but it can hurt your negativaly)

If I was doing a bard, personnaly, I'd take 2 handed.

[Fengus]

Originally posted by FinisWolf

Originally posted by Xcalibur
No no, I want you to say you were wrong;)

I am not wrong though. :prod: I can care less what the math says, I know he swings at 5, but like I said, it could be his *lighter* claid?

Finiswolf


You are mistaken, heavier weapons and/or low strength negatively affect RT, but it doesn't work the other way around. Whats the description of the claid?

[Xorai]

I appreciate all the posts guys, I have decided I will go for the claidh training. Thanks again for the help.

Will post once I get to a respectable train with him and let you guys know how he is doing.

[Chadj]

Originally posted by Spidr
I appreciate all the posts guys, I have decided I will go for the claidh training. Thanks again for the help.

Will post once I get to a respectable train with him and let you guys know how he is doing.

During instant re-allocation when Chadj was around 30, i tried Claidhs (borrowed a friends' claidh). I still preferred Lances.

[Jonty]

X is absolutely correct. A giant cannot swing a claid in 5 seconds unless he/she's AG and DE combined bonuses is equal to 38. The weight of the weapon has nothing to do with this; what matters is the weapon's base speed, and a claid's base speed is 8 seconds. The reason why a heavier weapon might make you swing slower, is because of encumberance.