2 open hands offensive channel

[eboats]

I am level 17 and channeling 302 with 2 open hands in offensive. These are the results I am seeing consistently during hunts. Keep in mind that channeling gives a hidden +20 to the end warding roll and that is x2 with both hands open so +40. I hunt with full wizard spell ups.

The Ogre swings at me are when he catches me in offensive to give you an idea of DS. DS is around 270 in guarded. This was the log from a single hunt.

A sickly, violet haze encompasses a large ogre.
CS: +111 - TD: +45 + CvA: +25 + d100: +59 == +150
Warding failed!
The violet haze furiously swirls around the ogre, striking at a large ogre with small flashes of plasma.
The large ogre is hit for 45 points of damage!
... 25 points of damage!
Minor burns to the large ogre's shield arm.
The large ogre falls to the ground and dies.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

You channel at a large ogre.
A sickly, violet haze encompasses a large ogre.
CS: +111 - TD: +45 + CvA: +25 + d100: +32 == +123
Warding failed!
The violet haze rapidly swirls around the ogre, sparking with pockets of chaotic, plasma energy.
The large ogre is hit for 38 points of damage!
... 30 points of damage!
Powerful burst to the large ogre's back causes excruciating pain.
The large ogre falls to the ground and dies.

You channel at a large ogre.
A sickly, violet haze encompasses a large ogre.
CS: +111 - TD: +45 + CvA: +25 + d100: +95 == +186
Warding failed!
The violet haze chaotically swirls around the ogre, the tremendous force causing the victim to crumple inward upon itself!
The large ogre is hit for 45 points of damage!
... 35 points of damage!
The large ogre's hand blisters and bleeds from intense heat.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
R>

You chant a reverent litany, clasping your hands while focusing upon the Bane spell...
Your spell is ready.
>
[bigshot]>channel #11373434
You channel at a large ogre.
A sickly, violet haze encompasses a large ogre.
CS: +111 - TD: +45 + CvA: +25 + d100: +71 == +162
Warding failed!
The violet haze violently swirls around the ogre, scorching the skin of a large ogre.
The large ogre is hit for 45 points of damage!
... 30 points of damage!
Blistering strike to leg shrivels skin and causes excruciating pain.
The large ogre falls to the ground and dies.

You channel at a large ogre.
A sickly, violet haze encompasses a large ogre.
CS: +111 - TD: +45 + CvA: +25 + d100: +71 == +162
Warding failed!
The violet haze violently swirls around the ogre, scorching the skin of a large ogre.
The large ogre is hit for 45 points of damage!
... 30 points of damage!
Blistering strike to leg shrivels skin and causes excruciating pain.
The large ogre falls to the ground and dies.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.

You channel at a large ogre.
A sickly, violet haze encompasses a large ogre.
CS: +111 - TD: +45 + CvA: +25 + d100: +73 == +164
Warding failed!
A triad of ebony orbs conjoined by crackling ribbons of violet energy suddenly appear out of nowhere. The pulsating orbs take up a position directly in front of the large ogre, and slowly begin to move apart, stopping when they form a triangular shape of equal height to the creature. Encasing the ogre within this framework, the triangle begins to rotate with tremendous speed, binding the ogre with a cocoon of energy ribbons. A blur of violet and black obscures a large ogre from view and as mysteriously as the orbs appeared, they fade away.
All that remains of the ogre is a charred ashen figure of its former self lying upon the ground.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.

You channel at a large ogre.
A sickly, violet haze encompasses a large ogre.
CS: +111 - TD: +45 + CvA: +25 + d100: +70 == +161
Warding failed!
The violet haze violently swirls around the ogre, scorching the skin of a large ogre.
The large ogre is hit for 45 points of damage!
... 35 points of damage!
The large ogre's hand blisters and bleeds from intense heat.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.

R>
A large ogre claws at you!
AS: +135 vs DS: +189 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +5 = -8
A clean miss.
The ogre looks a little dubious about its situation.
A large ogre runs west.

>
[bigshot]>stance offensive
You are now in an offensive stance.
>
[bigshot]>prep 302
You chant a reverent litany, clasping your hands while focusing upon the Bane spell...
Your spell is ready.
>
[bigshot]>channel #11376012
You channel at a large ogre.
A sickly, violet haze encompasses a large ogre.
CS: +111 - TD: +45 + CvA: +25 + d100: +62 == +153
Warding failed!
The violet haze violently swirls around the ogre, scorching the skin of a large ogre.
The large ogre is hit for 45 points of damage!
... 25 points of damage!
Light burns to the large ogre's head.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
R>

>
[bigshot]>prep 302
You chant a reverent litany, clasping your hands while focusing upon the Bane spell...
Your spell is ready.
>
[bigshot]>channel #11376012
You channel at a large ogre.
A sickly, violet haze encompasses a large ogre.
CS: +111 - TD: +45 + CvA: +25 + d100: +77 == +168
Warding failed!
The violet haze violently swirls around the ogre, scorching the skin of a large ogre.
The large ogre is hit for 45 points of damage!
... 30 points of damage!
Searing bolt of energy strikes the large ogre, scorching a wide swath of flesh!
The large ogre falls to the ground and dies.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.

You channel at a large ogre.
A sickly, violet haze encompasses a large ogre.
CS: +111 - TD: +45 + CvA: +25 + d100: +82 == +173
Warding failed!
The violet haze chaotically swirls around the ogre, the tremendous force causing the victim to crumple inward upon itself!
The large ogre is hit for 45 points of damage!
... 35 points of damage!
Plasma scorches a hole in the large ogre's shield arm!
The large ogre is stunned!
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
R>
>
[bigshot]>prep 302
You chant a reverent litany, clasping your hands while focusing upon the Bane spell...
Your spell is ready.
>
[bigshot]>channel #11376014
You channel at a large ogre.
A sickly, violet haze encompasses a large ogre.
CS: +111 - TD: +45 + CvA: +25 + d100: +84 == +175
Warding failed!
The violet haze chaotically swirls around the ogre, the tremendous force causing the victim to crumple inward upon itself!
The large ogre is hit for 45 points of damage!
... 40 points of damage!
Plasma encircles the large ogre's neck causing skin to shrivel and bleed!
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
R>

You chant a reverent litany, clasping your hands while focusing upon the Bane spell...
Your spell is ready.
>
[bigshot]>channel #11376014
You channel at a large ogre.
A sickly, violet haze encompasses a large ogre.
CS: +111 - TD: +45 + CvA: +25 + d100: +73 == +164
Warding failed!
The violet haze violently swirls around the ogre, scorching the skin of a large ogre.
The large ogre is hit for 45 points of damage!
The large ogre falls to the ground and dies.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.

You channel at a large ogre.
A sickly, violet haze encompasses a large ogre.
CS: +111 - TD: +45 + CvA: +25 + d100: +57 == +148
Warding failed!
The violet haze furiously swirls around the ogre, striking at a large ogre with small flashes of plasma.
The large ogre is hit for 45 points of damage!
... 25 points of damage!
Plasma scalds the large ogre's stomach leaving painful red streaks.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
R>

You chant a reverent litany, clasping your hands while focusing upon the Bane spell...
Your spell is ready.
>
[bigshot]>channel #11384152
You channel at a large ogre.
A sickly, violet haze encompasses a large ogre.
CS: +111 - TD: +45 + CvA: +25 + d100: +96 == +187
Warding failed!
The violet haze chaotically swirls around the ogre, the tremendous force causing the victim to crumple inward upon itself!
The large ogre is hit for 45 points of damage!
... 35 points of damage!
Superheated arc of plasma traces blackened path across the large ogre's belly!
The large ogre falls to the ground and dies.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.

You channel at a large ogre.
A sickly, violet haze encompasses a large ogre.
CS: +111 - TD: +45 + CvA: +25 + d100: +33 == +124
Warding failed!
The violet haze rapidly swirls around the ogre, sparking with pockets of chaotic, plasma energy.
The large ogre is hit for 34 points of damage!
... 25 points of damage!
Stinging burn to the large ogre's hand.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
R>
A large ogre swings a twohanded sword at you!
AS: +155 vs DS: +184 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +41 = +53
A clean miss.

>
[bigshot]>prep 302
You chant a reverent litany, clasping your hands while focusing upon the Bane spell...
Your spell is ready.
>
[bigshot]>channel #11386640
You channel at a large ogre.
A sickly, violet haze encompasses a large ogre.
CS: +111 - TD: +45 + CvA: +25 + d100: +94 == +185
Warding failed!
The violet haze chaotically swirls around the ogre, the tremendous force causing the victim to crumple inward upon itself!
The large ogre is hit for 45 points of damage!
... 35 points of damage!
Searing blast of energy to hip spins the large ogre around!
The large ogre is stunned!
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
R>
>
[bigshot]>prep 302
You chant a reverent litany, clasping your hands while focusing upon the Bane spell...
Your spell is ready.
>
[bigshot]>channel #11386640
You channel at a large ogre.
A sickly, violet haze encompasses a large ogre.
CS: +111 - TD: +45 + CvA: +25 + d100: +25 == +116
Warding failed!
The violet haze rapidly swirls around the ogre, sparking with pockets of chaotic, plasma energy.
The large ogre is hit for 38 points of damage!
... 30 points of damage!
Blistering strike to leg shrivels skin and causes excruciating pain.
The large ogre falls to the ground and dies.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
R>

[dott]

If you think that's good, wait till you're doing the same thing with 317 to everything you see.

When I manage the full spellup, I'll pull that in the aqueducts and one-shot about 3/4 of my targets.

-mark

[eboats]

If you think that's good, wait till you're doing the same thing with 317 to everything you see.

When I manage the full spellup, I'll pull that in the aqueducts and one-shot about 3/4 of my targets.

-mark

Is that good? It seems like it is to me. I know from asking around there aren't many builds out there that use 2 open hands and offensive channeling, so I just wanted to post the results I have got so far. I have heard great things about 317, just figured I probably wouldn't get to hunt with it for a long time.

[dott]

Tell you the truth, I'm not really sure. I'm definitely hitting harder on corporeal undead with smite on the same endrolls, but I've also got almost 70 levels on you and >50 ranks of religion lore. I'd say you're doing pretty well, though I'd be expecting more higher rank crits. On the other hand, I've heard that smite is a bit more powerful on undead than bane is on living, as a way of balancing its narrower scope.

I'd say grab some religion lore if you don't have it and see how it changes.

[eboats]

I currently do not have the TPs for any lores. I am 3x spells.

[dott]

Then my suggestion would be to forego one spell rank on your next level and spend the points on religion lore, and see how you like it. I can't say for sure but I'd bet money that the extra damage from the lores will outweigh the relatively small amount of CS you'd lose, especially if you have no lore currently. It's up to you, though - I'm no expert on lore interaction with smite beyond what's on Krakiipedia anymore.

-mark

[Ragepriest]

I'm curious, as I've considered this path before. What's your DS like? Assuming self-spells only?

I originally started off as an OHB+board user, thinking the old D&D-style clerics, then switched to open hand+shield in the mid 30s and stuck with that ever since. The shield saves my life with monstrous DS.

Recently, for the hell of it, I wore the shield and did dual open-hand... and a supplicant made me his bitch. It wasn't pretty.

But I digress, what's your DS like with dual open hands?

[Danical]

Keep in mind that channeling gives a hidden +20 to the end warding roll and that is x2 with both hands open so +40.

Where has this been documented?

[Asha]

Never heard of that before

[Danical]

Oh, no shit, http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Channel

EDIT: Did a GM state this or was it verified?

[dott]

I'm curious, as I've considered this path before. What's your DS like? Assuming self-spells only?

I originally started off as an OHB+board user, thinking the old D&D-style clerics, then switched to open hand+shield in the mid 30s and stuck with that ever since. The shield saves my life with monstrous DS.

Recently, for the hell of it, I wore the shield and did dual open-hand... and a supplicant made me his bitch. It wasn't pretty.

But I digress, what's your DS like with dual open hands?

Pretty low. It's not really feasable without outside spells as a hunting method. It's nice for finishing off incapacitated critters, especially along with some voln fu if you need to conserve mana. I do know that with a wizard spellup, my open handed DS hovers around 400 depending on environmental conditions.

This is with 6x armor, level 84, with 43 ranks in MnS and MjS

-mark

[eboats]

Don't know what DS would be like self spelled. My wizard is my main, so I always have a full wizard spellup. Also I only have 9 ranks in MjS and 10 in MnS since I am only level 19. Tough to say what it would look like later on. I will keep experimenting with it, and if it no longer becomes feasible I will use my fixskill.

[mrjrd222]

You channel at a gremlock.
A scintillating, blue-white aura encompasses a gremlock.
CS: +468 - TD: +335 + CvA: +25 + d100: +94 == +252
Warding failed!
A massive beam of blue-white energy engulfs a gremlock in a luminous column of light!
The gremlock is hit for 22 points of damage!
... 45 points of damage!
Tremendous plasma discharge slices deep into the gremlock's chest!
A gremlock collapses and her eyes roll up as she dies.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Roundtime: 3 sec.

A scintillating, blue-white aura encompasses a lich qyn'arj.
CS: +468 - TD: +359 + CvA: +25 + d100: +3 == +137
Warding failed!
Multiple rays of blue-white energy ignite several patches of a lich qyn'arj's skin in a blaze of energy.
The lich qyn'arj is hit for 45 points of damage!
... 30 points of damage!
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

A scintillating, blue-white aura encompasses a gremlock.
CS: +468 - TD: +329 + CvA: +25 + d100: +98 == +262
Warding failed!
A massive beam of blue-white energy engulfs a gremlock in a luminous column of light!
The gremlock is hit for 22 points of damage!
... 25 points of damage!
The gremlock's fingers burn and explode leaving blackened stumps!

A scintillating, blue-white aura encompasses a gremlock.
CS: +468 - TD: +329 + CvA: +25 + d100: +33 == +197
Warding failed!
A massive beam of blue-white energy engulfs a gremlock in a luminous column of light!
The gremlock is hit for 22 points of damage!
... 30 points of damage!
Powerful blast to the gremlock's abdomen parboils internal organs!
The gremlock is stunned!

A scintillating, blue-white aura encompasses a lesser construct.
CS: +468 - TD: +325 + CvA: +25 + d100: +89 == +257
Warding failed!
A massive beam of blue-white energy engulfs a lesser construct in a luminous column of light!
The lesser construct is hit for 22 points of damage!
... 20 points of damage!
Skin blasted away leaving exposed and bloody muscle!

A scintillating, blue-white aura encompasses a lesser construct.
CS: +468 - TD: +319 + CvA: +25 + d100: +18 == +192
Warding failed!
A massive beam of blue-white energy engulfs a lesser construct in a luminous column of light!
The lesser construct is hit for 22 points of damage!
... 25 points of damage!
Intense beam of plasma shears away large chunks of the lesser construct's forearm!

A scintillating, blue-white aura encompasses a lich qyn'arj.
CS: +468 - TD: +347 + CvA: +25 + d100: +42 == +188
Warding failed!
A massive beam of blue-white energy engulfs a lich qyn'arj in a luminous column of light!
The lich qyn'arj is hit for 45 points of damage!
... 45 points of damage!
Tremendous plasma discharge slices deep into the lich qyn'arj's chest!
You hear a sound like a weeping child as a white glow separates itself from the lich qyn'arj's body as it rises, disappearing into the heavens.

A scintillating, blue-white aura encompasses a gremlock.
CS: +468 - TD: +329 + CvA: +25 + d100: +93 == +257
Warding failed!
A massive beam of blue-white energy engulfs a gremlock in a luminous column of light!
The gremlock is hit for 22 points of damage!
... 25 points of damage!
Crackling blue plasma roasts a smoking hole in the gremlock's neck!
A gremlock collapses and his eyes roll up as he dies.

A gremlock claws at you!
AS: +407 vs DS: +422 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +68 = +88
A clean miss.

(wizard spellup, paladin casting 1618 at the group, 7x armor, empty hands, offensive)

[mrjrd222]

And I wasn't picking and choosing shots, that was like 10 smites in a row, some living some undead. The constructs can't be death critted but you can see the crit was hefty on them still.

[Ragepriest]

So it's obvious that going into the field with this sort of setup, you really NEED 3rd party spells. The question then becomes- if you DON'T have access to "external" help, is the loss of defense worth the added, heavy offense?

[mrjrd222]

A good stun before something can hit you will help a lot to add to your 'defense'. I suppose it would be quite fun to be able to be hit, but rely on your offense to save you!

[Danical]

A good stun before something can hit you will help a lot to add to your 'defense'. I suppose it would be quite fun to be able to be hit, but rely on your offense to save you!

And how do you deal with magi, scouts, lag, etc.

[Fallen]

And how do you deal with magi, scouts, lag, etc.

350!

[mrjrd222]

And how do you deal with magi, scouts, lag, etc.

Oh hell, I don't open hand channel in OTF proper, that's suicide.

I'd say it's a fun build for lower levels, or if you're high level and you've trained to 100/100/100 spells, as it's the best for DS and not for CS. Open handed channeling can give you that extra phantom endroll you're missing from having +60 cleric spells worth of extra CS.

I'll stick with +60 cleric spells though...

[Danical]

CHANNEL is an interesting design but 3 hard RT is pretty brutal in RT-stacking environments.