Bin Laden dead.

[diethx]

Awesome, but I would have appreciated if CBS didn't interrupt my show until Obama was ready to talk. JERK REPORTERS OMGGGG.

Seriously though, awesome.

[Ardwen]

bout bloody time too!

[diethx]

Inorite. Well, better late than never.

[Androidpk]

Oh snap! Obama's reelection bid just got a bit stronger.

[pabstblueribbon]

If Geraldo soesnt stop saying "game changer" I'm going to have a kanipchen fit.

[NocturnalRob]

Oh snap! Obama's reelection bid just got a bit stronger.
If nothing else, I'm sure he will take credit for it.

[Ardwen]

and any other president that was in office wouldnt?

[Androidpk]

If nothing else, I'm sure he will take credit for it.

Goes with the job.

[WRoss]

I wonder what the first conspiracy theory about this will be.

[Showal]

I wonder what the first conspiracy theory about this will be.

ClydeR will let us know soon enough!

[Drew]

Rot in hell you bastard, rot in hell.

[Fallen]

Fuck yeah! Worth the PITA security increase on base. Fuck that bastard, couldn't live in a cave so he died in a Mansion.

[Androidpk]

Curious to see how Wall St. is going to react to this in the morning.

[Stanley Burrell]

No RFPs to take a piss. 'Bout fucking time. If there is a God or Gods or tooth-motherfucking-fairy, thank you.

[4a6c1]

Wow!

[Fallen]

Breaking news, guys. They released pics of the team who finally got him.





















http://burn-notice.otavo.tv/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/burn-notice.jpg

[4a6c1]

And CIA did it. That's the way it should have been done in the first place.

Edit: lol Fallen

[Gelston]

I honestly thought the dude was already dead. Sweet!

[4a6c1]

Soo....can we pull out of the 3 wars now?

[Androidpk]

Soo....can we pull out of the 3 wars now?

No, we can start 3 more!

[Sean]

Somehow this hopefully brings about more peace.

[NocturnalRob]

Soo....can we pull out of the 3 wars now?

No, we can start 3 more!
PK doesn't know the meaning of "pull out."

[Androidpk]

PK doesn't know the meaning of "pull out."

Which is how I became your dad.

[4a6c1]

PK doesn't know the meaning of "pull out."


I want to know the specific details of how you know that.

Talk slowly and try to sound like Willy Wonka.

[TheEschaton]

Killed in a mansion outside Islamabad by the CIA?!?

That's like, action movie shit, and I hope Pakistan knew about it otherwise there might be a problem.

[diethx]

http://itsguycode.com/images/stories/america-f-yea/america2.jpeg

[Androidpk]

Talk slowly and try to sound like Willy Wonka.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ-uV72pQKI

[Tisket]

I hope he felt genuine terror as he died.

[pabstblueribbon]

Fuck Pakistan.

BOOM Headshot!

[Androidpk]

Also.. go go special forces!

[WRoss]

They went for the twofer, Bin Laden and Ghadafi, but missed one.

[WRoss]

Killed in a mansion outside Islamabad by the CIA?!?

That's like, action movie shit, and I hope Pakistan knew about it otherwise there might be a problem.

Pakistan doesn't know half of what goes on in Pakistan. They only care about themselves being our largest recipient of foreign aid.

[Back]

Finally! Obama’s announcement sounded like an Oscar award thank-you speech.

[Drunken Durfin]

I wonder what the first conspiracy theory about this will be.

We always knew where he was and this was:

1. Done to take focus off of the forged birth certificate.
2. Done to take focus off of the shitty economy.
3. Done to boost Obama's approval rating.
4. Done ahead of schedule do to his failing health, was not supposed to be "killed" until a couple months before the election.
5. Done to...bah, I'm too tired to try and come up with more.

[Seran]

Wow, not even three years into office, and Obama does what G.W failed to do in seven.

[Tgo01]

4. Done ahead of schedule do to his failing health, was not supposed to be "killed" until a couple months before the election.

How long it's taken to kill this fucker I was half expecting them to say he died due to health issues.

[Delias]

We rock at killing stuff. Finding stuff, not so much.

[Androidpk]

I'm waiting for Donald Trump to take credit for this.

[Androidpk]

Think they'll reveal who was involved? Delta? SAD?

[TheEschaton]

Well, Donald Trump obviously cleared the whole birth certificate issue right up by forcing the President to release it, thus allowing him to get bin Laden more effectively.

Did y'all hear his speech? They've had a lead since LAST AUGUST. Can you imagine sitting on something that big for so long while you try and get all the pieces in place to fucking make it 100% for sure? I'd go crazy, but that's why I'm not President. Besides the fact that I wasn't born in this country or am of the legal age.

[TheEschaton]

Think they'll reveal who was involved? Delta? SAD?

they're already saying Navy Seals.

[Androidpk]

Did y'all hear his speech? They've had a lead since LAST AUGUST. Can you imagine sitting on something that big for so long while you try and get all the pieces in place to fucking make it 100% for sure? I'd go crazy, but that's why I'm not President. Besides the fact that I wasn't born in this country or am of the legal age.

Big win for Petraeus.

[Warriorbird]

Big win for Petraeus.

I wonder if it is why he got his new job.

[WRoss]

Think they'll reveal who was involved? Delta? SAD?

DSS

[Tsk Tsk]

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h337/gsinurtia/obama.jpg

[DoctorUnne]

I heard it was CTU

[Androidpk]

I wonder if it is why he got his new job.

I was thinking that too. Highly likely.

[Tisket]

Wonder if the timing was deliberate. No, not the killing. I mean the preemption of Trump's The Celebrity Apprentice by Obama's announcement.

Maybe he's trying to goad Trump into demanding a death certificate.

[Gnome Rage]

I didn't read the whole thread, so this might have been said already - first conspiracy theory is out there. He was killed in December of 2001.

link. It wont load for me anymore, not sure if its removed or not. (http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=18055)

[Krayton]

I was a sophomore in my Italian II class. The teacher was lecturing and the TVs in the classroom kept coming on. She was getting frustrated and kept turning it off until an announcement from the principal came over the loudspeaker saying: "This is a day that will change the world; we should all be watching history unfold."

Little did most of us know the events would spark a war and the worlds largest man-hunt that would last (going on) 10 years.

I also want to give a resounding "THANK YOU" to all those who have served, past and present, for everything you have done (and will do) for our country. Hopefully this will be the year our troops can come home.


Anyway, I hope that bastard is getting the "Hitler punishment": http://youtu.be/eZQw6KuNKqs

[Tgo01]

People have been theorizing that he has been dead for years now.

[Androidpk]

I didn't read the whole thread, so this might have been said already - first conspiracy theory is out there. He was killed in December of 2001.

link. It wont load for me anymore, not sure if its removed or not. (http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=18055)

That conspiracy theory is weak and full of holes.

[Gnome Rage]

Unfortunately, I see this as likely to increase insurgency and animosity (with Osama sympathizers) toward the U.S.

:(

[diethx]

OR maybe they'll all surrender now that their leader has been taken out.

http://www.moesrealm.com/img/fifth_element_04.jpg

[Jarvan]

OR maybe they'll all surrender now that their leader has been taken out.

http://www.moesrealm.com/img/fifth_element_04.jpg

Good one..

and I think we should declare may 1st as national "Don't Fuck with US Day" Or maybe "Boot in your Ass Day"

[iJin]

Remember, remember the 1st of May...damn it, doesn't sound as good.

[TheEschaton]

I find it odd that people are celebrating in the streets. We villify people who celebrate in the streets when they kill us.

[Jarvan]

I find it odd that people are celebrating in the streets. We villify people who celebrate in the streets when they kill us.

yeah, cause there is no difference between people cheering and celebrating over finally getting the guy who set out to destroy us, as opposed to people cheering and celebrating attacking and killing innocent civilians.

[sst]

I wonder... Did Osama get his virgins after getting shot in the face?

[Delias]

Remember, remember the 1st of May...damn it, doesn't sound as good.

hey hey, it's the first of may, the day america makes their enemies pay.

Look at all those simple rhymes.

[sst]

yeah, cause there is no difference between people cheering and celebrating over finally getting the guy who set out to destroy us, as opposed to people cheering and celebrating attacking and killing innocent civilians.

No Jarvan, in TheE's world there is no difference.

[Jarvan]

No Jarvan, in TheE's world there is no difference.

Not to make this thread overly political..

But I am waiting for the left's outrage over us using what they would normally call "Assassination squads" to enter a foreign power, and kill someone without a trial.

isn't this just the kind of thing they are always against?

[Archigeek]

Not to make this thread overly political..

But I am waiting for the left's outrage over us using what they would normally call "Assassination squads" to enter a foreign power, and kill someone without a trial.

isn't this just the kind of thing they are always against?

Keep waiting.

[Gnome Rage]

Honestly, I have a feeling there may be some talk by the left but not a whole lot.

[Archigeek]

It's always funny when "the left" or "the right" become non-people. I'm the left, and I'm happy the bastard is dead. You should be happy too. Go celebrate in the streets.

[Jarvan]

Honestly, I have a feeling there may be some talk by the left but not a whole lot.

I agree, there is always some that talk. Most people will just celebrate this news, I know I have been. ( cops told me keep the fireworks to a minimum, then asked if they could "borrow" some )

I may not agree with Obama on many things. But I agree with what he ordered on this.

I would like to think his order went something like this..

"Find Osama, shoot him in the face, then ask politely if he would mind coming back with us. If he doesn't respond, consider it a yes."

[Archigeek]

Hard to find details, but here's something of a summary of the operation. Anyone with better info they can share? It will be interesting to see exactly how much detail comes out. I suspect that the previous poster who said they won't name the shooter is right.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110502/ap_on_re_us/us_bin_laden_the_raid

[Jarvan]

There's parts of the Democratic Party that would bemoan assassination. There's parts that own guns and live in the South.

There's also parts of the Republican Party that would decry this killing as doing the business of Israel. A Youtube video of one part was even posted on this very board.

Troll better.

Not trolling at all. Historically the Left, Not the Democratic party mind you, has been anti assassination of this type. Left is not Democrat, just like Right is not Republican. Just saying.

[Danical]

I may not agree with Obama on many things. But I agree with what he ordered on this.

I would like to think his order went something like this..

"Find Osama, shoot him in the face, then ask politely if he would mind coming back with us. If he doesn't respond, consider it a yes."

Despite your politicizing of the event, and for clarity, do you think anyone in office ever said, or wanted, anything different?

I'd like to think [his] death was the continued policy of Bush, into Obama.

[Drew]

Bin Laden buried at sea. Doubt that'll quell any conspiracy theories.

[Jarvan]

Despite your politicizing of the event, and for clarity, do you think anyone in office ever said, or wanted, anything different?

I'd like to think [his] death was the continued policy of Bush, into Obama.

Well, I think some may have wanted to bring him back alive, Even tho I think that wouldn't have been a great idea.

But I would say no one thought he didn't have to pay in one way shape or form.

Then again, I am an evil bastard, I admit it. A part of me would have liked to bring him back alive, take him to ground Zero, and put a bullet between his eyes. Preferably on National TV.

This is also the same part of me that would have then announced that any retaliation against us, or further terrorist activities, would be dealt with by tactically nuking cities of those involved.

[Rinualdo]

Congrats Obama on your second term.

[crb]

Wow, not even three years into office, and Obama does what G.W failed to do in seven.

Not only that, he has increased the debt more in 2 years than Bush did in 8....

And his profligate use of monetary policy to bail out fiscal policy has resulted in inflation that has toppled, without our military, more mideast regimes than Bush managed to topple with our military.

Who would have guessed all we needed to do was debase the dollar and the mideast would riot over food inflation?

[Kembal]

I totally missed the news last night, but this is great news.

ABC's got video of the site after the attack. Whole lot of blood on the floor.

[Rinualdo]

Not only that, he has increased the debt more in 2 years than Bush did in 8....

And his profligate use of monetary policy to bail out fiscal policy has resulted in inflation that has toppled, without our military, more mideast regimes than Bush managed to topple with our military.

Who would have guessed all we needed to do was debase the dollar and the mideast would riot over food inflation?


Haters gonna hate.

[BriarFox]

Bin Laden buried at sea. Doubt that'll quell any conspiracy theories.

Yeah, probably not, but conspiracy theorists will make up nonsense no matter what you do. I think the seal burial was brilliant, because it prevents bin Laden's grave from becoming a focal point.

[Asha]

They're gonna nuke the fuck out of us!!!

[Ayamei]

I remember 9/11 all too well. I still have nightmares about that day, and the weeks that followed. Every time I look at the skyline from my building or wherever, I still get sad, I still cry if I have a moment to look and think about it. The memories still seem surreal.

Hearing news like this....I don't know why it makes me feel so uneasy. I think it just brings me back to 10 years ago, I can't believe it all happened 10 years ago in a few months. Sometimes I still can't believe it happened at all.

[Keller]

Long-form Death Certificate or it didn't happen.

[BriarFox]

Long-form Death Certificate or it didn't happen.

Sure. It goes like this: "On September 11, 2001, Remington produced a steel-jacketed .45 caliber round. It was a pristine work of the gunsmith's art. In the early morning hours of May 1 near Islamabad, Pakistan, a member of Navy SEAL Team 6 loaded that round into his 1911. Shortly thereafter, the bullet exploded out of the gun in a blaze of glory, penetrated Osama bin Laden's head, went out the other side, and came to rest in satisfaction in a concrete block. The SEAL member picked up the chunk of concrete with the bullet in it, put it in his pocket, grabbed bin Laden's corpse by the ankle, and drug him out of the house before throwing him in the ocean. Remington congratulated itself on another bullet well-made."

Long-form, see?

[Carl Spackler]

Congrats Obama on your second term.

You're still a dumbass.

This isn't about Obama or Bush or Democrats or Republicans. This is about 40 bad mf'ers that went over there and handled business.

[NocturnalRob]

http://chzdailywhat.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/328a464e-02dd-429d-ad13-8306596554a6.gif

[AnticorRifling]

Did they say it was a pistol round? And why are we sending SEAL teams in with 10 year old ammunition?!

I would have assumed something like an MP5 given it's a CQCB scenario and well MP5s are just sexy as shit.

[AnticorRifling]

You're still a dumbass.

This isn't about Obama or Bush or Democrats or Republicans. This is about 40 bad mf'ers that went over there and handled business.

Did you listen to the speech where Obama took credit for it? You know he wanted to add "Hey guys in case you forgot I'm running for office again so just keep that in mind."

I'm with you Carl I WISH it was about the men and women that put in work.

[Carl Spackler]

Did they say it was a pistol round? And why are we sending SEAL teams in with 10 year old ammunition?!

I would have assumed something like an MP5 given it's a CQCB scenario and well MP5s are just sexy as shit.

Thought I heard it was a sniper. That was last night, so obviously things could be changing.

[Carl Spackler]

Did you listen to the speech where Obama took credit for it? You know he wanted to add "Hey guys in case you forgot I'm running for office again so just keep that in mind."

I'm with you Carl I WISH it was about the men and women that put in work.

Yes. It's unfortunate that we for once just couldn't leave politics out of it. This morning Carl Rove called that his mistake for taking credit for something that someone else started and even someone else did.

[Keller]

Thought I heard it was a sniper. That was last night, so obviously things could be changing.

Every article I've skimmed has said that it was a helicopter drop, assault, and pick-up.

[BulletSponge]

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/4505/41265337.jpg (http://img600.imageshack.us/i/41265337.jpg/)

[AnticorRifling]

Thought I heard it was a sniper. That was last night, so obviously things could be changing.

I was commenting on Briar's "long form" death cert. where he was referencing a pistol, while possible, isn't as likely as MP5 or some other compact assault sex.

Yeah everything I've heard was helicopter insertion (gigidy).

[AnticorRifling]

Keller why did you delete that? It was lol worthy.

[Keller]

Keller why did you delete that? It was lol worthy.

I realized we had the rep system for a reason.

[BriarFox]

I was commenting on Briar's "long form" death cert. where he was referencing a pistol, while possible, isn't as likely as MP5 or some other compact assault sex.

Yeah everything I've heard was helicopter insertion (gigidy).

The ammunition and pistol were symbolic of reciprocity and the American Wild West.

[Keller]

I realized we had the rep system for a reason.

And to be clear, that reason is to reward pictures of boobs.

[AnticorRifling]

The ammunition and pistol were symbolic of reciprocity and the American Wild West.

The Wild West = Colt Revolver probably like a 45 long colt not a 1911 with 45 ACP.

I open the distance to 12 horts!

[Drunken Durfin]

Well, security here in New York went apeshit. It took me three times as long to get into court this morning. Thankz.

As for the burial at sea, I understand the reasoning, but I think that they should have waited a just a bit. The foil-hat crowd is going to latch onto that like mad.

[Showal]

Be careful, Anticor weighs quite a few stones!

[Drinin]

Got home last night at midnight and wondered why my neighbors were firing off fireworks, then I put on the news. I wonder how long it'll be before a movie comes out.

[Keller]

Got home last night at midnight and wondered why my neighbors were firing off fireworks, then I put on the news. I wonder how long it'll be before a movie comes out.

I want the Modern Warfare expansion pack.

[Asha]

Starring Tom Selleck as Osama!

[Carl Spackler]

Starring Tom Selleck as Osama!

That beard would be amazing.

[Parkbandit]

I find it odd that people are celebrating in the streets. We villify people who celebrate in the streets when they kill us.

I actually agree.

[Keller]

I actually agree.

Me, three.

These videos and photos will only help recruiting.

[Tgo01]

I actually agree.

First Bin Laden dies and now this. I wonder what other crazy and unexpected event will take place next.

[AnticorRifling]

Keller, TheE, and PB just agreed on something....AFK buying lotto ticket.

[Keller]

Keller, TheE, and PB just agreed on something....AFK buying lotto ticket.

If you win, I demand a $100,000 tip.

[Parkbandit]

Keller, TheE, and PB just agreed on something....AFK buying lotto ticket.

I fucking feel filthy dirty.. and not in the good way.

afk taking a shower with a brillo pad and bleach.

[AnticorRifling]

If you win, I demand a $100,000 tip.

Not the first time you've demanded the tip.

[Some Rogue]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/1krKD.png

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/tumblr_lkjsgwwRb81qf8r0wo1_500.png

[Tsa`ah]

Killed in a mansion outside Islamabad by the CIA?!?

That's like, action movie shit, and I hope Pakistan knew about it otherwise there might be a problem.

Reports have been that Pakistan, and everyone other than those directly involved, were kept in the dark ... to prevent a leak.

Osama has been hold up in an affluent suberb that is largely comprised of retired military leadership. I would suspect that asking for permission, or even informing anyone in Pakistan of the op would have resulted in Osama being tipped off.


Not to make this thread overly political..

But I am waiting for the left's outrage over us using what they would normally call "Assassination squads" to enter a foreign power, and kill someone without a trial.

isn't this just the kind of thing they are always against?

The left is generally against the assassination of government officials, especially those that are democratically elected ... Osama was neither.

I would remind you that pre-POTUS elect Obama did state without hesitation, and got plenty of flack over it, that he would act on actionable intelligence ... with or without the consent of Pakistan or any other government ... when it came to Osama or any other terrorist leader.




Not only that, he has increased the debt more in 2 years than Bush did in 8....

How many times are you going to post this without backing up your claim ... or after being being debunked on said claim?

Let me guess ... at least one more.

[Drinin]

So who got the kill shot?

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n625/skaln1/biehnseal.jpg

or

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n625/skaln1/seagalseal.jpg

or

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n625/skaln1/sheenseal.jpg


Winning.

[Cephalopod]

Heh (http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/social.media/05/02/osama.twitter.reports/index.html?hpt=T2).

http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/memes-untitled3.jpg

[Deathravin]

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/222114_10150182471427017_701922016_7056349_7996951 _n.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/V5mP8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JbU2F.png
http://i.imgur.com/ePZvc.jpg

[Deathravin]

http://imgur.com/1tyfj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GDpwT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yiY3S.jpg

I like the door kicking one, but the actual exit wasn't terrible either.
http://www.abload.de/img/0371_s7wp.gif
caption ideas:
"NEXT"
"Lets get back to business"
"Sort of puts my 'silliness' comment into context, doesn't it?"

[AnticorRifling]

Clearly not an ambi-turner. Obama = Zoolander.

[Asha]

I fucking feel filthy dirty.. and not in the good way.

afk taking a shower with a brillo pad and bleach.
And tears! Don't forget tears!

[Deathravin]

http://i.imgur.com/j4et5.png
http://i.imgur.com/3c6tl.png


I actually agree.

Just when you thought you could never agree with a salon article.
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/05/02/osama_and_chants_of_usa

[RichardCranium]

Did they say it was a pistol round? And why are we sending SEAL teams in with 10 year old ammunition?!

I would have assumed something like an MP5 given it's a CQCB scenario and well MP5s are just sexy as shit.

Dude, they're all guns.

[Carl Spackler]

I think these are both fitting.

http://youtu.be/CLcyihrlFW4

http://youtu.be/i7dbdZlsR3Y

[Carl Spackler]

Dude, they're all guns.

That's like saying boobs are boobs. Some are just better than others.

[Tisket]

Don't know if it was posted already but here is the photo used on Al Jazeera to show the US celebratory reaction (sans burning effigy) to bin Laden's death:

http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/Images/2011/5/2/20115251635643580_20.jpg

[AnticorRifling]

Not a decent haircut in the entire group.

[Tisket]

Most of them were probably ten years old during the 9/11 attack.

[Keller]

Don't know if it was posted already but here is the photo used on Al Jazeera to show the US celebratory reaction (sans burning effigy) to bin Laden's death:

http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/Images/2011/5/2/20115251635643580_20.jpg

Who is the dumb bitch wearing sunglasses at midnight?

I don't like George Washington students.

[Fallen]

Anyone else find it odd that Osama was killed on the same date, May 1st, as Hitler?

[AnticorRifling]

Great now Obama will take credit for that too. Thanks Fallen.

[Tisket]

Who is the dumb bitch wearing sunglasses at midnight?

Secret Service. Duh.

[Kembal]

Most of them were probably ten years old during the 9/11 attack.

It doesn't surprise me to see that most of those celebrating in the street were in elementary, middle, and (to some degree) high school. For them, 9/11 and the aftermath defined their view of the world.

For those of us that are older and do remember what it was like before 9/11, I think it's a little different.

[Deathravin]

http://i.imgur.com/ln4eT.jpg

[AnticorRifling]

Blame YOUR president.

[Keller]

Anyone else find it odd that Osama was killed on the same date, May 1st, as Hitler?

Also the same date as Dubya's "Mission Accomplished" speech.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

He was supposed to be killed April 30th, but the weather didn't permit.

[Tisket]

Anyone else find it odd that Osama was killed on the same date, May 1st, as Hitler?

May 1st in history: http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/may1st.html

[AnticorRifling]

Way to mess up our April projections for head shots. Stupid Mother Nature and her disregard for budgets.

[Deathravin]

He was supposed to be killed April 30th, but the weather didn't permit.

Allah wanted to give him just one more day.

(it was a joke, IW... Please don't stop to comment)

[Deathravin]

This isn't the end of a war. It's not the end of a country. It's not the end of the Islamic fundamentalist jihadi movement. It's not the end of a terroristic group. It's not the end of a single terror cell. It's the end of a single man who will probably influence more people now in his death than he could in his remaining years.

The people celebrating are waving flags and chanting "USA" over the death of a man. Regardless of the circumstances, no civilized society should act this way. They are incredibly myopic if they believe this is going to do anything but make the US more of a target until we extricate ourselves from their land and their affairs completely.

[Cephalopod]

http://i.imgur.com/ePZvc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/09fM7.jpg

[Deathravin]

http://imgur.com/Ab01l.png

[kookiegod]

NEW wwe champion John Cena announcing the death of Bin Laden at the end of the PPV Extreme Rules

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qdvM6bgFUQ&feature=player_embedded

[TheEschaton]

Jarvan, that attitude is the same attitude that disgusts us when it comes from radical Islamists in the Middle East. To many of these people, we were complicit in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in the 80s and 90s, from supplying Hussein with the materials to kill his own people to the actual indiscriminate killing of civilians in Desert Storm, to the sanctions which only denied the poor and downtrodden food and water and a basic standard of living.

America cannot continue to insist on a global policy on everything but warfare. If our brand of globalization (militarily and economically) disrupts the very fabric of every day life in third world countries, why do we continue to insist retaliation against that globalization is unwarranted and unprovoked.

Like Deathravin has already said, the death of Osama merely ends the era of his financing of terror. That terror, the network he set up, the cells he put in motion, will still continue, and our celebration of his death makes us look crass and like a people who glorify violence. I especially agree with these two paragraphs from the salon article posted earlier:


For decades, we have held in contempt those who actively celebrate death. When we’ve seen video footage of foreigners cheering terrorist attacks against America, we have ignored their insistence that they are celebrating merely because we have occupied their nations and killed their people. Instead, we have been rightly disgusted -- not only because they are lauding the death of our innocents, but because, more fundamentally, they are celebrating death itself. That latter part had been anathema to a nation built on the presumption that life is an "unalienable right."

But in the years since 9/11, we have begun vaguely mimicking those we say we despise, sometimes celebrating bloodshed against those we see as Bad Guys just as vigorously as our enemies celebrate bloodshed against innocent Americans they (wrongly) deem as Bad Guys. Indeed, an America that once carefully refrained from flaunting gruesome pictures of our victims for fear of engaging in ugly death euphoria now ogles pictures of Uday and Qusay’s corpses, rejoices over images of Saddam Hussein’s hanging and throws a party at news that bin Laden was shot in the head.

[sst]

Ohhh I see a circle jerk coming up from Deathravin and TheE!

[NocturnalRob]

Did anyone have OBL in the Death Pool?

edit: nvm. found it. lol rucca.

[Tisket]

Did anyone have OBL in the Death Pool?

Would you actually go check my picks if I said yes?

[NocturnalRob]

Would you actually go check my picks if I said yes?
I do whatever you tell me. You know that.

Michael Douglas
Jack Nicholson
Rosie O'Donnel
Paris Hilton
Madonna
Dick Clark
Justin Bieber (this is just a wishlist pick and major points potential)
Elizabeth Edwards
Stephen Hawking
Dick Cheney

and my obligatory OD choice once again:

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w66/Sassy_Photos_2007/amy_winehouse.jpg

OK OK I fucking cheated on one, fuck you!

[Tsk Tsk]

John Brennan needs take retake public speaking 101. Once you started listening for the uhhh's and ummm's, you start to go slightly insane.

[Warriorbird]

So who got the kill shot?

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n625/skaln1/sheenseal.jpg


Winning.

Winning.

[Back]

Jarvan, that attitude is the same attitude that disgusts us when it comes from radical Islamists in the Middle East. To many of these people, we were complicit in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in the 80s and 90s, from supplying Hussein with the materials to kill his own people to the actual indiscriminate killing of civilians in Desert Storm, to the sanctions which only denied the poor and downtrodden food and water and a basic standard of living.

There is one slight difference. People celebrating 9/11 as a result of our economic and globalization policies isn’t anywhere near the same as people celebrating the death of a dangerous individual who was behind the deaths of many people all over the world and who still posed a possible threat.

That being said I think that gloating over a win is very unsportsmanlike.

[Deathravin]

This isn't a new thing. America has cheered its perceived 'victories' just as any other nation in history. We cheered in the same way at the news when the Berlin wall came down, we cheered when Neil Armstrong took the first human steps on the moon, we cheered when Hitler had been found dead, 4 months later we cheered when the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, we again cheered 6 days later when Japan surrendered, and we cheered again 18 days after that when the documents were signed officially ending WWII.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be proud of our accomplishments. But what are we proud of here? This is the underscore of a failure, mopping up of mistakes of the past, not the collimation of human achievement in science that lead to a man stepping out onto the surface of the moon.

I will cheer when we finally tell Israel that we've done enough for them and turn our backs. I'll cheer when we adopt an alternative energy source and pull every American in an official capacity out of the middle east. I'll cheer when Americans care more about our health, education, employment, social, and science programs than we do about the military.

This 'victory' just seems so shallow and short sighted to get worked up about.

[TheEschaton]

Of course there is a difference. There is justice in the killing of Osama bin Laden. But the world operates on perceptions, and the perception of Arabs will probably be that we're being hypocritical by glorifying the death of a man, a death which is probably only symbolic at best, catalyzing at worst. If his death actually led to the end of terrorism, then fine, the celebration could be seen like that. The death of Qaddafi could be seen like that in re: Libyan massacres, even the death of Saddam could be seen like that.

By the way, if the IMF/World Bank starves a country to death through monetary policy, and the IMF/World Bank is pretty much an American institution, is that better or worse than a terrorist attack? To me, it seems like we're trying to have our cake and eat it too - we want to stack paper, but wash our hands of the blood that our global economic policy sheds.

[Deathravin]

Celebrating Justice is tackier than Trump.

Admire, respect and dignify justice. Celebrating and glorifying it feels wrong.

[TheEschaton]

I didn't say we should celebrate justice, I said that there was justice in Osama's death. Justice or no, a flash mob outside the White House chanting U.S.A. with American flags, and people around the country setting off fire works, is ridiculous.

[Back]

The question is... are they celebrating death? Or are they celebrating pride in their country over an accomplishment?

[Deathravin]

http://i.imgur.com/hPmFd.jpg

[Deathravin]

The question is... are they celebrating death? Or are they celebrating pride in their country over an accomplishment?

Does it matter?

Were those celebrating on 9/11 celebrating death? Or are they celebrating pride over an accomplishment?

[AnticorRifling]

http://i.imgur.com/hPmFd.jpg

Wouldn't Teruo Nakamura be the champ?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I didn't say we should celebrate justice, I said that there was justice in Osama's death. Justice or no, a flash mob outside the White House chanting U.S.A. with American flags, and people around the country setting off fire works, is ridiculous.

Agreed.

[Deathravin]

sorry it's long, but he doesn't have activated.
http://i.imgur.com/0QIIb.jpg

I don't necessarily agree with this, as it doesn't take several factors into consideration. There's several steps that must happen for this to remotely work, and it's pretty stupid of the author to ignore simple facts of life (let alone the complex facts as they currently exist) before jumping to such radical conclusions. But the idea has some merit.

[Parkbandit]

You are the IW of the thread Deathravin... congrats.

[Deathravin]

You are the IW of the thread Deathravin... congrats.

And you've said nothing of substance again, we're par for the course.

[Androidpk]

Thought I heard it was a sniper. That was last night, so obviously things could be changing.

Mk 14 EBR.

[Parkbandit]

And you've said nothing of substance again, we're par for the course.

And you've posted nothing but your usual stupidity... consistency is your middle name.

[Back]

I think of the old west. If a guy was harassing a town, killing people here and there, generally being an evil nuisance making everyone’s lives misrable... when the lawn man finally caught him and they had him hanged what do you think the reaction would have been?

I personally would not run down the street with a flag but I can see why some other people do and I don’t really fault them for it. We got the bad guy.

[Deathravin]

I think of the old west. If a guy was harassing a town, killing people here and there, generally being an evil nuisance making everyone’s lives misrable... when the lawn man finally caught him and they had him hanged what do you think the reaction would have been?

I personally would not run down the street with a flag but I can see why some other people do and I don’t really fault them for it. We got the bad guy.

Nobody ever claimed the old west was a civilized society. Quite the opposite in fact.

[Asha]

I think of the old west. If a guy was harassing a town, killing people here and there, generally being an evil nuisance making everyone’s lives misrable... when the lawn man finally caught him and they had him hanged what do you think the reaction would have been?

I personally would not run down the street with a flag but I can see why some other people do and I don’t really fault them for it. We got the bad guy.

Not many are hung in the street nowadays. I don't think comparing people of that age and those of today is very accurate. Any similarity towards how they cheered at the executed back then isn't really a good thing.

[Asha]

Ahh Deathravin got there before me. What he said.

[Keller]

Wouldn't Teruo Nakamura be the champ?

Anne Frank was the first loser.

According to my No Fear t-shirt slogan that Second Place is the First Loser, that gives her second place.

[Nieninque]

I find it odd that people are celebrating in the streets. We villify people who celebrate in the streets when they kill us.

Ching! Ching!

Exactly what I thought. Classless motherfuckers.

[Tgo01]

Are we not supposed to be happy he's dead? Or do you think people are taking the happiness a bit too far?

[Nieninque]

Bin Laden buried at sea. Doubt that'll quell any conspiracy theories.

Stupid fucking Yanks! Didn't they learn the lesson from Megatron?

[Back]

Did the team that completed the mission get the bounty I wonder?

[Nieninque]

Are we not supposed to be happy he's dead? Or do you think people are taking the happiness a bit too far?

Yes. Doing exactly what you bemoan others doing is fucked up.
Regardless of your understanding of why you are dancing in the street waving flags like chelsea supporters, the "other side" have a similar understanding of their own reasons for doing the same. They are a bunch of cunts for doing it and so are you if you do the same.

Bin Laden: Good fucking riddance to bad rubbish.
Twats waving flags and having street parties: Classless, clueless wankers.

[Androidpk]

Did the team that completed the mission get the bounty I wonder?

No.

[Androidpk]

http://www.aljazeera.net/mritems/images/2011/5/2/1_1058117_1_34.jpg

[Nieninque]

average photoshop skills.
C-

[Gnome Rage]

Everyone knows (I hope) that isn't a real picture of the body - it has been around for a long time actually...

[Tgo01]

Yes. Doing exactly what you bemoan others doing is fucked up.
Regardless of your understanding of why you are dancing in the street waving flags like chelsea supporters, the "other side" have a similar understanding of their own reasons for doing the same. They are a bunch of cunts for doing it and so are you if you do the same.

I wouldn't say it's exactly the same thing. It's not as if people are celebrating that a drone missile killed a bunch of innocent civilians, they are celebrating because a monster who is responsible for thousands of innocent people dying is now dead.

[TheEschaton]

So, if a foreign country, god forbid, took out the U.S. President, and people celebrated in the streets of that foreign country, no big deal?

[Back]

I think if you can’t tell the difference you are the one with the problem. If US citizens had been holding parades as we bombed Iraq, yeah, that would be fucked up. But we took out one guy who caused the world so much misery. I don’t blame people for celebrating the death of a monster.

[Tgo01]

So, if a foreign country, god forbid, took out the U.S. President, and people celebrated in the streets of that foreign country, no big deal?

I mean sure if you want to compare Obama to Bin Laden.

[Nieninque]

I wouldn't say it's exactly the same thing. It's not as if people are celebrating that a drone missile killed a bunch of innocent civilians, they are celebrating because a monster who is responsible for thousands of innocent people dying is now dead.

And yet they feel that the US and the UK are responsible for killing a bunch of their innocent people. Are you with us yet?

I'm not saying they are right. They are the opposite of right. But they are as equally right as the people in the States currently or in the last 24 hours or so who were waving their flags at Bin Laden's death. They all think they are right to do so, they are all classless cunts. Enjoy.

[Nieninque]

I think if you can’t tell the difference you are the one with the problem. If US citizens had been holding parades as we bombed Iraq, yeah, that would be fucked up. But we took out one guy who caused the world so much misery. I don’t blame people for celebrating the death of a monster.

One fucking guy? We have been bombing the shit out of Afghanistan and Iraq for the last 20 or so years. You're smarter than that. Look at the bigger picture.

[Back]

And yet they feel that the US and the UK are responsible for killing a bunch of their innocent people. Are you with us yet?

I'm not saying they are right. They are the opposite of right. But they are as equally right as the people in the States currently or in the last 24 hours or so who were waving their flags at Bin Laden's death. They all think they are right to do so, they are all classless cunts. Enjoy.

When someone in this thread said the left would have something to say... well here it is. Sorry, we aren’t all self-loathing guilt-ridden holier-than-thou types.

[TheEschaton]

He's not, though. And he likes to think he's a liberal, but any real liberal would not think much of the jingoistic flag waving and cheering that's been going on over this.

[Androidpk]

So, if a foreign country, god forbid, took out the U.S. President, and people celebrated in the streets of that foreign country, no big deal?

Kind of like when some people celebrated in the streets after 9/11?

[TheEschaton]

When someone in this thread said the left would have something to say... well here it is. Sorry, we aren’t all self-loathing guilt-ridden holier-than-thou types.

No one is saying we're guilt ridden, or holier-than-thou. It's a simple case of classlessness, and, at worst a catalyst for more hatred of the United States. It makes us look hypocritical, and douchey.

[Tgo01]

And yet they feel that the US and the UK are responsible for killing a bunch of their innocent people. Are you with us yet?

I'm not saying they are right.

So they celebrate innocent people being murdered because they feel the US and UK as a whole are responsible for the deaths of other innocents.

Everyone knows for a fact that Bin Laden is a murdering piece of shit and people are celebrating that this bastard is now dead.

I'm sorry, I'm not 'with you yet.' You are going to have to explain to me again how this is the same thing.

[Gnome Rage]

I have to agree, it presents a very negative image to the global community. We criticize others for celebrating the attacks on us, and yet we do the very same thing. Regardless of the situation, it is not how we view the celebration but how the rest of the world views it, especially the Arab world. I understand that many of my generation have had their lives molded by Bin Laden, but I don't believe that it is right to be dancing in the streets. I feel great relief, but also great anxiety with the passing of this man. Our excitement over his death, and the publicizing of it will put our troops in danger.

But that's just my opinion I guess...

[Nieninque]

When someone in this thread said the left would have something to say... well here it is. Sorry, we aren’t all self-loathing guilt-ridden holier-than-thou types.

Please don't think I speak for anyone other than myself...although it's quite nice that you have elevated me as spokeperson for the entire left of the political spectrum.

As for "self-loathing"? It's morons like you I loathe. No self included. It's also quite easy to be holier than thou. By "thou" I mean you and by "holier", I mean more intelligent. Clearly I was giving you too much credit by saying you're smarter than that. You're a fucking idiot.


Kind of like when some people celebrated in the streets after 9/11?

Exactly like that.

[Androidpk]

. It makes us look hypocritical, and douchey.

It makes us look human.

[Tgo01]

No one is saying we're guilt ridden, or holier-than-thou. It's a simple case of classlessness, and, at worst a catalyst for more hatred of the United States. It makes us look hypocritical, and douchey.

The fact that we killed him is a catalyst for more hatred of the United States, you really think the fact that people are celebrating factors into it at all? Like some guy was all ready to strap a bomb to himself and blow people up for revenge for killing Bin Laden but then said "No, wait, they didn't celebrate in the streets like we did, y'know what? I'm going to get my virgins right here on Earth!"

[Nieninque]

So they celebrate innocent people being murdered because they feel the US and UK as a whole are responsible for the deaths of other innocents.

Everyone knows for a fact that Bin Laden is a murdering piece of shit and people are celebrating that this bastard is now dead.

I'm sorry, I'm not 'with you yet.' You are going to have to explain to me again how this is the same thing.

It's the same thing because it is an absolute lack of class wrapped up in a healthy dose of bloodlust and justified by fucked up reasoning. We're all glad Bin Laden is dead. Good job, well done to the troops who killed the cunt.

Sending photos of people waving US flags around the world to be seen by people who include those who described him as a holy warrior is (a) messed up and (b) fuel for more anti-yank hatred amongst those who already have a view of the Yanks and their lapdogs (i.e. our spineless politicians and consequently us).

Be happy all you like. Go have a private wank in your bathroom if you feel the need. Chavvy street parties outside the embassy? Crass at best.

[Jarvan]

No one is saying we're guilt ridden, or holier-than-thou. It's a simple case of classlessness, and, at worst a catalyst for more hatred of the United States. It makes us look hypocritical, and douchey.

Thing is, There is nothing we can do to make the people that hate us, NOT hate us.

If we pulled every troop out of the middle east, and hell, even sat back and watched as they over ran and slaughtered every Jews in the area, they would Still hate us.

Face it, the people that hate us, want us dead, Period. There is nothing we could have done in the past 48 hours to make them change their mind.

Was there cheering in the streets when Hitler was found dead? You better believe it.


It's the same thing because it is an absolute lack of class wrapped up in a healthy dose of bloodlust and justified by fucked up reasoning. We're all glad Bin Laden is dead. Good job, well done to the troops who killed the cunt.

Sending photos of people waving US flags around the world to be seen by people who include those who described him as a holy warrior is (a) messed up and (b) fuel for more anti-yank hatred amongst those who already have a view of the Yanks and their lapdogs (i.e. our spineless politicians and consequently us).

Be happy all you like. Go have a private wank in your bathroom if you feel the need. Chavvy street parties outside the embassy? Crass at best.

Once again, like being polite or nice is going to change ANYONE's mind about blowing us up.

[Archigeek]

Some people may be celebrating a dead body, but I think to a lot of people, it's a celebration of the hope that an end to this era might possibly be in sight: that we can put a stop to a lot of senseless death, that perhaps we can bring our troops home, and that we can move on with our lives in a fashion that more closely resembles normal. To me, that's cause for celebration.

To bemoan those who would engage in "celebration over a dead body" is a little like choosing to look through binoculars from the wrong end and complaining about the view. I'm hopeful that this is one step towards a better world, and that's cause for celebration.

[Showal]

I feel the need daily, sometimes more than once.

[Nieninque]

Was there cheering in the streets when Hitler was found dead? You better believe it.

Hitler being dead was the end of the war in Europe.
Bin Laden being dead is the end of Bin Laden's life. The war in Afghanistan will continue. Al Qaida will continue. Other than Bin Laden being fucked up, it's business as usual. Anyone who has hope that anything will be different is deluded.

[Androidpk]

Hitler being dead was the end of the war in Europe.
Bin Laden being dead is the end of Bin Laden's life. The war in Afghanistan will continue. Al Qaida will continue. Other than Bin Laden being fucked up, it's business as usual. Anyone who has hope that anything will be different is deluded.

What's wrong with having hope?

[RichardCranium]

The sooner we stop giving a fuck what the global community thinks of usthe better, I say.

[Back]

Seriously. What a fucking buzzkill.

[Nieninque]

What's wrong with having hope?

I think you will find that my statement went something along the lines of "Anyone who has hope that anything will be different is deluded."

Hope is a wonderful thing and most definitely gets us through shitty times. Hoping that something that is plainly obviously not going to happen, happens goes beyond hope and moves into the realms of delusion.

Anyway, I shall leave you all to your street party and games of soggy biscuit. I heard backlash is bringing the canapes. Enjoy, y'all

[Archigeek]

Hitler being dead was the end of the war in Europe.
Bin Laden being dead is the end of Bin Laden's life. The war in Afghanistan will continue. Al Qaida will continue. Other than Bin Laden being fucked up, it's business as usual. Anyone who has hope that anything will be different is deluded.

Hitler being dead wasn't the end of the war though. Even in Europe, we spent years as an occupying force, and it took decades for the cleanup to be called anything resembling complete. But just like in this case, it was a big step towards a return to normalcy; a cathartic moment. It's not a switch that you flip and the lights turn on and the movie is over, but it's a step towards a normal, prosperous country here in the US, and for that we have every reason to celebrate.

[Asha]

and games of soggy biscuit.

Oh thanks. I wasn't reading this while eating a late tea or anything. Brilliant.

[Carl Spackler]

What's wrong with having hope?

Hope got us Obama.

[Tgo01]

It's the same thing because it is an absolute lack of class wrapped up in a healthy dose of bloodlust and justified by fucked up reasoning. We're all glad Bin Laden is dead. Good job, well done to the troops who killed the cunt.

It's okay to be happy, it's okay to celebrate even, just as long as it's in private where no one can see you.

[Nieninque]

Hitler being dead wasn't the end of the war though.

Yes it was, give or take a week. Hitler killed himself, others followed suit and the remainder gave up. Bin Laden's death will have no such effect.

[Nieninque]

Oh thanks. I wasn't reading this while eating a late tea or anything. Brilliant.

Brought back happy memories?


It's okay to be happy, it's okay to celebrate even, just as long as it's in private where no one can see you.

You can do whatever floats your boat. Just be aware that some of the things you might want to do will make you look like a cunt.

[sst]

You apologists make me sick. The fuckers dead, celebration is warranted.

[Archigeek]

Yes it was, give or take a week. Hitler killed himself, others followed suit and the remainder gave up. Bin Laden's death will have no such effect.

Hitler killed himself BECAUSE the war was effectively over, not the other way around. Of course this situation is different; this isn't a conventional war, but that doesn't mean the end of Osama Bin Laden can't be the begining of the end of this war.

It sounds to me like you think things just won't ever get better. I guess I'm not that much of a pessimist. I've seen better times, and I'm therefore confident that they will come again.

[Nieninque]

You apologists make me sick. The fuckers dead, celebration is warranted.

LOL

[Asha]

You apologists make me sick. The fuckers dead, celebration is warranted.

Aren't you perfectly conditioned.

[Nieninque]

Hitler killed himself BECAUSE the war was effectively over, not the other way around.

Blah blah blah. I am aware of the reason why he killed himself. You said "Hitler being dead wasn't the end of the war though" which is not true. Until the point when he killed himself and until shortly afterwards, we were still at war with Germany. His death brought about an end to that war (although you are correct in your observations that it was a matter of time anyway). Therefore, the situation then is markedly different to the situation now.


Of course this situation is different; this isn't a conventional war, but that doesn't mean the end of Osama Bin Laden can't be the begining of the end of this war.

Glib, meaningless cliches ftw. What does the beginning of the end mean anyway?


It sounds to me like you think things just won't ever get better. I guess I'm not that much of a pessimist. I've seen better times, and I'm therefore confident that they will come again.

I lived a large part of my life under the threat of terrorism from the IRA. It was pretty bleak and eventually ended because there was something that the terrorists wanted that was able to be offered as a means to end the violence.

I dont see how we end this shit with Al Qaida and their spin offs.

[crb]

I personally feel people who have a problem with celebration (and who feel the need to post on facebook etc "I don't think we should celebrate death.") have a little case of the holier-than-thous and lack a good moral compass.

Justice for a man who plotted to kill thousands of civilians is death. It was righteous. The deaths of Khadafi's grandchildren I find distasteful, but there is nothing distasteful about this.

I will tell you something with absolutely certainty. All over the world, game designers are sitting at keyboards pounding away developing FPS maps featuring a compound in Pakistan with 18 foot walls.

edit: Oh, is the war over? No.... but they got a ton of intelligence from the compound as well and THAT, if it is good enough, could end things. That... and more inflation courtesy of Obamanomics driving more Middle East revolutions.

[Back]

I think you will find that my statement went something along the lines of "Anyone who has hope that anything will be different is deluded."

Hope is a wonderful thing and most definitely gets us through shitty times. Hoping that something that is plainly obviously not going to happen, happens goes beyond hope and moves into the realms of delusion.

Anyway, I shall leave you all to your street party and games of soggy biscuit. I heard backlash is bringing the canapes. Enjoy, y'all

I’m surprised at the astounding amount of audacity you have to come here and tell us Americans how we should comport ourselves when we bring to justice the man who was ultimately behind the largest attack on our soil in our history.

You’re just jealous we bumped your little royal wedding out of the spot light.

[Latrinsorm]

Regardless of the circumstances, no civilized society should act this way.Ha ha, you thought we were a civilized society? Wow.
The fact that we killed him is a catalyst for more hatred of the United States, you really think the fact that people are celebrating factors into it at all? Like some guy was all ready to strap a bomb to himself and blow people up for revenge for killing Bin Laden but then said "No, wait, they didn't celebrate in the streets like we did, y'know what? I'm going to get my virgins right here on Earth!"
Once again, like being polite or nice is going to change ANYONE's mind about blowing us up.Would you say that you have a good understanding of the psychology of a prospective suicide bomber? If so, based on what?
Hitler being dead wasn't the end of the war though.It was the end of German guys shooting at our soldiers. This might be the beginning (of the beginning) of more guys shooting at our soldiers.
I personally feel people who have a problem with celebration (and who feel the need to post on facebook etc "I don't think we should celebrate death.") have a little case of the holier-than-thous and lack a good moral compass.

Justice for a man who plotted to kill thousands of civilians is death. It was righteous.I think you will find it hard to rationally justify vengeance as justice or "a good moral compass". Viscerally, certainly, but not rationally.

[Latrinsorm]

I’m surprised at the astounding amount of audacity you have to come here and tell us Americans how we should comport ourselves when we bring to justice the man who was ultimately behind the largest attack on our soil in our history.

You’re just jealous we bumped your little royal wedding out of the spot light.Who better than a neutral party to be objective?

[Keller]

Who better than a neutral party to be objective?

That is the point, Latrin.

The Brits are too hung up on the prestige, power, and pretentiousness of their monarchy, and the recent wedding festivities, to let us Yanks have a little party of our own.

/trollingforcuntiness

[Nieninque]

I’m surprised at the astounding amount of audacity you have to come here and tell us Americans how we should comport ourselves when we bring to justice the man who was ultimately behind the largest attack on our soil in our history.

You’re just jealous we bumped your little royal wedding out of the spot light.

Been on the sauce again?
I am very grateful that the royal wedding talk has been overshadowed.
I am pleased that Bin Laden is dead.
I am amused at the fucking rubbish you continue to spout.

[Nieninque]

That is the point, Latrin.

The Brits are too hung up on the prestige, power, and pretentiousness of their monarchy, and the recent wedding festivities, to let us Yanks have a little party of our own.

/trollingforcuntiness

Nobber

[Sean]

Justice for a man who plotted to kill thousands of civilians is death. It was righteous. The deaths of Khadafi's grandchildren I find distasteful, but there is nothing distasteful about this.

So what's the righteous response for any Afghani civilians killed during Operation Enduring Freedom - Afghanistan?

Violence begets violence, yadda, yadda, yadda.

[Keller]

Nobber

Too small, I'll have to throw it back.

[Warriorbird]

While I think Nienique's jaded attitude might be due to British politics more than she'd care to admit I do think the "celebration in the streets" stuff was pretty dumb geoplitically.

Al Jazeera "Fox"ed a bunch of American college kids.

[Drew]

And yet they feel that the US and the UK are responsible for killing a bunch of their innocent people. Are you with us yet?

Yes but we are right and they are wrong. It's possible to A. root for the home team and, B. For the home team to be the right one.


This isn't sports where all fans are equally justified in having a parade for winning. Make a value judgment here.

[4a6c1]

23 damn pages. Fuck all you fuckers doing fun things while I'm workin.

[Kid Danger]

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy, returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

[Archigeek]

Does anyone else see the irony in that Nieninque's the same person who gets all excited about the Fifth of November, (Guy Fawkes Day), but thinks Americans shouldn't celebrate the death of Osama? Isn't Guy Fawkes Day a holiday that was effectively instituted to rub the failed bombing attempt in the noses of Catholics every year? I wonder how many IRA bombers were stoked into action by that.

[Nieninque]

Yes but we are right and they are wrong. It's possible to A. root for the home team and, B. For the home team to be the right one.


This isn't sports where all fans are equally justified in having a parade for winning. Make a value judgment here.

We've been bombing the shit out of their countries for two decades. Both teams can justify their flag waving antics in their own mind. Both are wrong.

That's my value judgement.

[Nieninque]

Does anyone else see the irony in that Nieninque's the same person who gets all excited about the Fifth of November, (Guy Fawkes Day), but thinks Americans shouldn't celebrate the death of Osama? Isn't Guy Fawkes Day a holiday that was effectively instituted to rub the failed bombing attempt in the noses of Catholics every year? I wonder how many IRA bombers were stoked into action by that.

Are you Backlash in disguise?

[Archigeek]

Are you Backlash in disguise?

Just a little American vs Brit ribbing you know. It's a bit of a sticky wicket eh?

[Warriorbird]

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy, returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

We are nonviolent with people who are nonviolent with us.
- Malcolm X

[Nieninque]

Guy Fawkes Day is bonfire night.
It isn't a holiday.
It was a celebration of the discovery of a plot to kill the king and everyone in Parliament.
I still have a bit of a soft spot for Guy Fawkes as being the only man to ever enter Parliament with honest intentions.
The gunpowder plot was discovered in 1605.
The IRA began their campaign in 1970.
I think I can be pretty sure that bonfire night was not the motivation behind the IRA's campaign.

[Keller]

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy, returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

We're all on Facebook, too.

You don't have to repost your one well-read friend's status update.

[Tgo01]

Would you say that you have a good understanding of the psychology of a prospective suicide bomber? If so, based on what?

No, I defer to your expert opinion on the matter.

[Archigeek]

Following the capture of Guy Fawkes on 5th November 1605 and the arrest of his fellow conspirators the Government responded immediately to this attempt to blow up the King and Parliament. An Act entitled ‘An Acte for a publique Thancksgiving to Almighty God everie yeere of the Fifte day of November’ was passed in January 1606 that proclaimed the discovery of the Gunpowder Plot should ‘be held in a perpetual Remembrance’ and that the day be ‘a holiday for ever in thankfulness to God for the deliverance and detestation of the Papists’. This annual ‘remembrance’ was to be marked by a morning service in every parish church at which a special prayer of thanksgiving was to be offered up.

So for 400 years you've been celebrating the capture, and subsequent execution, of some Catholics and that's cool, but woe unto us for finding the end of Osama as good cause for a little revelry.

Honestly, I think they're both AOK, and that's my point. Sometimes you win, and you see a future that's a little brighter on the horizon, so some celebration is in order. I raise a glass to those servicemen who worked long and hard, and in some cases died, to make this day happen. All we need now is a little poetry and we're good for 400 years!

[Makkah]

Nieninque is a female? Hahahahahahahah

[Nieninque]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gif Bin Laden dead. (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?p=1279544#post1279544) 05-03-2011 12:30 AM One fucking guy who killed and targeted innocent American citizens and wanted to destroy our nation. Our soliders do NOT do that. There's a HUGE difference. Go back to Pakistan, you cunt.


Maybe not targeted, but American (and British) soldiers certainly do kill Iraqi and Afghan civilians. And I'm pretty sure Bush/Bliar/etc would qualify as being someone who wanted to destroy other nations (see Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Palestine etc.) so you know that whole other argument thing...yeah.

Plus your Geography is as good as your current affairs.

[Stry]

Good riddance to a murderer.

Nice to see some justice finally, though I wish he'd been taken alive so he could be tried and strung up like some other madman we hunted for over a decade. I still remember watching the second plane on live TV fly into the second tower. Watching people jump from the tower and the sick pit in my stomach as I realized what I was seeing.

A shot to the head is more then he deserved for killing thousands of innocent people on our home soil, at work, on a regular workday.

Asking people not to celebrate is like not asking you to feel a sense of closure and relief when the man who killed your son/daughter/mother/father finally is executed on death row.

What the fuck happened to patriotism?

A few of you sure must hate the country you live in. The country that assures you have a voice and a right to be stupid as shit. Not to mention the right to have a home that you own, and that protects you from men like this from entering your home and showing you exactly what hell is before sending you there.

Classy. Let's bash on our own country for protecting us. Let's bash the people who express gratitude and celebrate for once. It's not like we've had a lot to celebrate recently.

[Deathravin]

http://www.aljazeera.net/mritems/images/2011/5/2/1_1058117_1_34.jpg

That is a very old picture that was proven to be fake several years ago. Aljazeera pulled it from several European news agencies who found it online by googled it.

[TheEschaton]

I’m surprised at the astounding amount of audacity you have to come here and tell us Americans how we should comport ourselves when we bring to justice the man who was ultimately behind the largest attack on our soil in our history.

You’re just jealous we bumped your little royal wedding out of the spot light.

Largest attack on our soil in our history was during the Civil War, wrought by Americans against Americans. Is Sherman a terrorist?

[Deathravin]

http://i.imgur.com/cKUO7.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/I1Mfj.jpg
I liked this picture. It does 'look' strange that Obama's in the corner.

[TheEschaton]

We are nonviolent with people who are nonviolent with us.
- Malcolm X

I hear Malcolm X was the bigger moral authority than MLK Jr.

[TheEschaton]

Good riddance to a murderer.

Nice to see some justice finally, though I wish he'd been taken alive so he could be tried and strung up like some other madman we hunted for over a decade. I still remember watching the second plane on live TV fly into the second tower. Watching people jump from the tower and the sick pit in my stomach as I realized what I was seeing.

A shot to the head is more then he deserved for killing thousands of innocent people on our home soil, at work, on a regular workday.

Asking people not to celebrate is like not asking you to feel a sense of closure and relief when the man who killed your son/daughter/mother/father finally is executed on death row.

What the fuck happened to patriotism?

A few of you sure must hate the country you live in. The country that assures you have a voice and a right to be stupid as shit. Not to mention the right to have a home that you own, and that protects you from men like this from entering your home and showing you exactly what hell is before sending you there.

Classy. Let's bash on our own country for protecting us. Let's bash the people who express gratitude and celebrate for once. It's not like we've had a lot to celebrate recently.

10 bucks says you've never left the country except with a weapon in your hand on Uncle Sam's payroll. I am concerned about this country's welfare, and I'm concerned about a society that celebrates death, no matter who the person is. Justice was done, but one doesn't celebrate justice being done. Celebration of justice indicates more of a feeling of vengeance, and vengeance stems from anger and hate....(and the dark side of the force are these).

[TheEschaton]

To follow up, if he had been taken alive, brought to the U.S. for trial in a federal criminal court, and sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole, would you consider this justice?

Because that is a just outcome, it's simply not the one someone coming from a mindset of vengeance would want. If you can't see justice in him being actually brought to justice, but only in his death, your mindset is indeed not one of justice.

[Back]

10 bucks says you've never left the country except with a weapon in your hand on Uncle Sam's payroll. I am concerned about this country's welfare, and I'm concerned about a society that celebrates death, no matter who the person is. Justice was done, but one doesn't celebrate justice being done. Celebration of justice indicates more of a feeling of vengeance, and vengeance stems from anger and hate....(and the dark side of the force are these).

Wow, what a douchey thing to say.

[Sean]

Wow, what a douchey thing to say.

It's much more douchey than saying people must hate america or you're unpatriotic if you disagree

[crb]

So what's the righteous response for any Afghani civilians killed during Operation Enduring Freedom - Afghanistan?

Violence begets violence, yadda, yadda, yadda.

It is an issue of intent.

[Nieninque]

Wow, what a douchey thing to say.

What the fuck happened to you?

[TheEschaton]

I'm guessing brain damage.

[Stry]

I'm guessing brain damage.

Not true. Back has agreed with me on several occasions. And it hasn't necessitated a sponge bath with a piece of steel wool.

[Sean]

It is an issue of intent.

I wouldn't say intent, it's about whats determining what's acceptable. Our intent was to hunt terrorists, however unless we're being naive we knew innocent people would die in the process. We just determined what we feel is an acceptable number.

[Nieninque]

Not true. Back has agreed with me on several occasions. And it hasn't necessitated a sponge bath with a piece of steel wool.

I dont mean agreeing with you, or indeed anyone...but his apparent lack of ability to post anything more substantial than "ZOMG U R A DOOSH"

[Stry]

Bin Laden dead. (red)05-02-2011 05:33 PM There's a difference between relief of justice and celebration of justice.

At least you admit it is justice. Why the hell wouldn't you celebrate something GOOD happening?

Oh, right. You're just giving me neg rep because I disagreed with you, and I was right. Shit. That must suck.

[Tgo01]

To follow up, if he had been taken alive, brought to the U.S. for trial in a federal criminal court, and sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole, would you consider this justice?

Because that is a just outcome, it's simply not the one someone coming from a mindset of vengeance would want. If you can't see justice in him being actually brought to justice, but only in his death, your mindset is indeed not one of justice.

If he was given a fair trial, found guilty (duh!) and the punishment they saw fit was sticking him in a little cell all by himself for 23 hours a day for the rest of his life that would be fine with me. At the same time if he was given a trial, found guilty and sentenced to death that would be fine by me too.

If he was found living it up in some sort of mansion and shot dead that's fine by me too.

They are all justice and if people want to dance in the streets in any scenario I don't blame them one bit.