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05-09-2004, 11:31 PM
This was news to me. I even checked to make sure it was true.

The Other Rich Mrs. Kerry
BY JOSEPH CURL



Everyone's had a little time to catch up with Teresa Heinz, but few know much about the first Mrs. John F. Kerry or the campaign issue that could reprise last election's undercurrent of marital fidelity and spousal adoration (think Al and Tipper Gore in that lengthy lascivious liplock).

While President Bush coos over Laura, the first lady and constant wife, in every speech, his opponent traded in one multimillionaire wife-in the throes of a dark clinical depression-for another deep-pocketed woman, and then had the Roman Catholic Church annul his 18-year first marriage, throwing the couple's two children into a murky realm of illegitimacy.

The top echelon of the Bush-Cheney '04 campaign likely will not play the annulment card, but less scrupulous surrogates almost certainly will sneak out the information, especially as the GOP ticket struggles to lock down social conservatives, including the 4 million evangelical Christians who skipped a trip to their polling precincts in 2000.

Don't look for info about wife No. 1 on johnkerry.com-it isn't there (although Kerry in the first paragraph mentions his strong Catholic faith). But there's the skinny: Kerry proposed to Julia Stimson Thorne just days before he shipped out to Vietnam, and they wed in a Catholic church upon his return in 1970. Both were 26.

Thorne, like nearly all of the woman who have been courted or married by Kerry, comes from big, old money. Her grandfather bought the island of Hilton Head off the coast of South Carolina during the Depression for use as a personal game preserve.

Along with a hefty pocketbook (one estimate put the Thorne family's fortune at $300 million), Kerry also brought more pedigree-Thorne is a direct descendent of George Washington, with relatives that include Henry Stimson, the secretary of state under President Hoover and secretary of war under Presidents Roosevelt and Truman. (Kerry's mother's ancestors include the first governor of Colonial Massachusetts. And Kerry had rich relatives, the Forbeses, who put him through top boarding schools and Yale, giving him his taste of high living, which he has since found unquenchable.)

The couple had two daughters, Alexandra in 1973 and Vanessa in 1976, but all was not bliss in the Kerry mansions. They separated in 1982 (when Kerry was Massachusetts lieutenant governor), with Thorne in the depths of a severe depression and on the brink of suicide, which she blamed on her husband's cold and distant nature, his long absences, and his fierce ambition (which she was bankrolling). The separation came as Kerry was mulling a bid to run for the Senate seat vacated by Paul Tsongas in 1984; Thorne said she still associates politics "only with anger, fear, and loneliness." In 1988, the final divorce went through (she later wrote a self-help manual, "A Change Of Heart," designed to help other unhappily married couples; in the book, she called her relationship with Kerry a "suffocating marriage.")

For the next few years, Kerry sowed his newly freed oats with Emma Gilbey of gin fame and money and now married to Bill Keller, executive editor of The New York Times. He also dallied with Catherine Oxenberg, an actress and member of the Yugoslav Royal Family; actress Morgan Fairchild, who now stars in those annoying "Old Navy" commercials; Patti Davis, Ronald Reagan's daughter; sizzling redhead Dana Delaney of "China Beach" fame; and Michelle Phillips of The Mamas and The Papas.

"Finally, a Democratic presidential candidate with good taste in women," Jay Leno said last month, goofing on former President Clinton's proclivity for affairs with showy, big-haired and mostly unattractive consorts.

When advisers told Kerry to cool it with the hotties, he set his sights on the Mozambique-born Teresa Heinz, whose first husband, John, a Republican, died in a plane crash in 1991. Kerry and Heinz had met at the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janiero and he escorted Heinz, a devout Catholic, to Mass. He found her "very earthy, sexy"-and very rich, with estimates topping $500 million. They married in 1995.

The first Mrs. Kerry filed papers the following year seeking more child support. Kerry interpreted the move as vindictive and fired back: he asked the Catholic Church to formally annul his failed marriage. He didn't even tell her; the church sent her a letter in November 1996 (some say Kerry filed for the annulment because Heinz is a devout Catholic who wanted to participate fully in church ceremonies; others say it was retaliatory).

Thorne, who had emerged from her depression, shot a letter to the church-along with a copy to a Boston newspaper. In vivid language, she said that, as the mother of Kerry's two children, she would not cooperate with a policy that was "hypocritical, antifamily and dishonest."

Kerry, who says on his Web page that he "was raised in the Catholic faith and continues to be an active member of the Catholic Church," joked about the annulment in 1997 on a radio show, saying "75 percent of all the annulments in the world take place in the United States, and I guess the figure drops to 50 percent if you take out all Massachusetts politicians." At the time, Rep. Joseph P. Kennedy II and his former wife, Sheila Rauch Kennedy were in the throes of a very messy and very public annulment. The scandal ruined Kennedy's political career. He had planned to seek the Massachusetts governorship, but bailed after his ex-wife detailed his bid for an annulment. Months later, he announced he would not seek a seventh term in Congress. At the same time, his brother, Michael, who had served as his campaign manager, was mired in his own scandal over an affair with an underage babysitter.

While Mrs. Kennedy vehemently fought the annulment, Thorne, after expressing her displeasure with the church, acquiesced to her ex-husband's wishes. Still, she was not too happy, telling The Boston Globe in 1997 that the church's approach to her annulment was "disrespectful to me ... aloof to any emotional issues and devoid of any sense of the humanity of what this means to me and my children."

In that letter to The Globe, she wrote that she supports Kerry, his Senate career and his new marriage. Thorne, who now lives with her new husband, architect Richard Charlesworth, in Bozeman, Mont., also reportedly supports his presidential bid this year, but she has so far refused to speak with reporters.

And don't look for her to appear any time soon. Like the last woman connected to Kerry-a former staffer who wound up in Kenya denying an affair with the senator-Thorne plans to move to Italy, where she spent much of her childhood, if the press gets too close.

Joseph Curl is a White House correspondent for The Washington Times and has covered President Bush since his inauguration.


<and for you stupid fucks, no I did not write this myself>

Drew2
05-09-2004, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by The Edine
<and for you stupid fucks, no I did not write this myself>

Obviously.

The person who wrote that can spell. :smilegrin:

The Korean
05-09-2004, 11:39 PM
PWNED!

Anebriated
05-09-2004, 11:41 PM
<and for you stupid fucks, no I did not write this myself>


The Other Rich Mrs. Kerry
BY JOSEPH CURL

05-09-2004, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by Tayre

Originally posted by The Edine
<and for you stupid fucks, no I did not write this myself>

Obviously.

The person who wrote that can spell. :smilegrin:
That was directed at people like Warriorbird who seem to think i take credit for others work. Just making sure he does not think it that time.

And was there even a point to that comment Tayre? I dont think that has anything to do with the topic at hand.

05-09-2004, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by Elrodin

<and for you stupid fucks, no I did not write this myself>


The Other Rich Mrs. Kerry
BY JOSEPH CURL

yes very good, you can read. Refer to the above post.

Sean
05-09-2004, 11:46 PM
Interesting, doesn't change my opinion of him any. But an amusing read I guess.

05-09-2004, 11:52 PM
I find it odd that the major media has not reported ito... yet.
For me, it goes to his character and lowers my already low opinion of him.

Sean
05-10-2004, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by The Edine
I find it odd that the major media has not reported ito... yet.
For me, it goes to his character and lowers my already low opinion of him.

It probably was reported in the 80s when the divorce happened. And then maybe in the mid to late 90s when the annulement was current.

Wezas
05-10-2004, 12:28 AM
Sounds like Pro-Bushers grasping to anything they can find, to me. :moon:

Ravenstorm
05-10-2004, 12:41 AM
Is there something in that article that's supposed to be bad?

Raven

Scott
05-10-2004, 12:55 AM
I don't like Kerry, but even I don't care about this article.

Snapp
05-10-2004, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by Ravenstorm
Is there something in that article that's supposed to be bad?

Raven

That's what I was looking for. I don't get it.

TheEschaton
05-10-2004, 01:31 AM
The Catholic Church doesn't hand out annulments like candy, yanno, Edine, unlike divorces. There's usually a good reason for them.


-TheE-

Tendarian
05-10-2004, 01:32 AM
That he is a gold digger? Its supposedly a bad thing when women do it or so ive heard. And this part "his opponent traded in one multimillionaire wife-in the throes of a dark clinical depression-for another deep-pocketed woman" doesnt make me think too highly either. Of course maybe she got depressed cause the marriage just wasnt working out for either.

In HS we had a english teacher who would spend time every day lecturing girls in the class to always marry rich men. Maybe Kerry had the female version of this in his HS.

TheEschaton
05-10-2004, 01:35 AM
Gold digger? Probably more like the fact that he was a blue blood, he ran with blue bloods, which is why he married a blue blood.

-TheE-

Ilvane
05-10-2004, 01:38 AM
Are you kidding me? Don't you Republicans have better things to worry about?

How about the issues, rather than character attacks?

-A

Ravenstorm
05-10-2004, 01:42 AM
Originally posted by Tendarian

And this part "his opponent traded in one multimillionaire wife-in the throes of a dark clinical depression-for another deep-pocketed woman" doesnt make me think too highly either.

That's why the author chose those words to use. If he didn't use language that was slanted to make him look like a royal piece of scum, who'd really care? If you do, I'd suggest looking up the facts for yourself and arriving at your own conclusion.

As for being a gold digger? As TheE said, when you run in that crowd to begin with, who are you going to meet and associate with? The lady who runs the tobacco store on the corner? Going to fall in love with a cab driver? Of course not.

Raven

[Edited on 5-10-2004 by Ravenstorm]

Scott
05-10-2004, 01:45 AM
Originally posted by Ilvane
Are you kidding me? Don't you Republicans have better things to worry about?

How about the issues, rather than character attacks?

-A

How about next time you make a comment on character attacks, you don't make a sterotypical comment about an entire party when I'm sure most republicans don't care about such an issue. :rolleyes:

Tendarian
05-10-2004, 01:54 AM
How about the issues, rather than character attacks?

I keep hearing this from you. Do you honestly think Kerry only talks about the issues? Plus i somehow doubt whats in this article will be brought up by the Bush camp. I think it even mentions that only the fringe will like this article.


That's why the author chose those words to use. If he didn't use language that was slanted to make him look like a royal piece of scum, who'd really care? If you do, I'd suggest looking up the facts for yourself and arriving at your own conclusion.

You are right. The only reason i thought the article was a fun read was cause i already dislike the guy. Just like if tomorrow some woman wrote an article about how Bush did something someone could say was shifty in his personal life you would probably enjoy it.



As for being a gold digger? As TheE said, when you run in that crowd to begin with, who are you going to meet and associate with? The lady who runs the tobacco store on the corner? Going to fall in love with a cab driver? Of course not.

Isnt that a double standard then? If a woman goes out with guys who are only rich she is vilified into being a heartless bitch. Im not saying he should find homeless women to date either but with the list of his dates and wives it seems he only will go out with rich and or famous.

Ravenstorm
05-10-2004, 02:17 AM
Originally posted by Tendarian

Isnt that a double standard then? If a woman goes out with guys who are only rich she is vilified into being a heartless bitch. Im not saying he should find homeless women to date either but with the list of his dates and wives it seems he only will go out with rich and or famous.

You missed the point... His peers are the rich and famous. Those are the people he grew up among. They're his friends and acquaintances. His parents didn't have much money themselves but his mother was a Forbes and that's the circle he was raised in.

I'm not rich and famous. I don't know any of those people and probably couldn't even get near them. Pity. I should be rich. I can live without famous though.

Raven

Tendarian
05-10-2004, 02:36 AM
Did he go to a private school? If you are saying he only knows rich and famous people then thats an even worse picture to be painted in. Man of the people? If he went to a private school ill admit your arguement holds water though(hell the article probably says he did but im too lazy to read it again :))

I totally agree with the rich but not famous part. Id rather be poor and unknown then rich and famous. I know i can be happy and poor at the same time,i dont know that i could be happy with people digging into my closets and background though.

Sean
05-10-2004, 02:38 AM
And Kerry had rich relatives, the Forbeses, who put him through top boarding schools and Yale, giving him his taste of high living, which he has since found unquenchable.)

thats from the article.

Tendarian
05-10-2004, 02:42 AM
Thanks Tijay :thumbsup:

So Raven and TheE make a strong point. I still think Kerry is shady,just not neccesarily about this particular thing.

[Edited on 5-10-2004 by Tendarian]

longshot
05-10-2004, 03:31 AM
Originally posted by TheEschaton
Gold digger? Probably more like the fact that he was a blue blood, he ran with blue bloods, which is why he married a blue blood.

-TheE-

Edine does not know what a blue blood is.

You must tone down your language to suit your target audience.:grin:

peam
05-10-2004, 03:59 AM
/yawn

05-10-2004, 07:03 AM
That is what I find Interesting TheE. At the time of the annulment Kerry was already a politician. He had two children with the woman, and had been married a long time. The Catholic church does not hand out annulments like candy, why did he get one?

Suppa Hobbit Mage
05-10-2004, 08:13 AM
Originally posted by Ilvane
Are you kidding me? Don't you Republicans have better things to worry about?

How about the issues, rather than character attacks?

-A

Kindly don't lump me (a Republican) in with Edine. We aren't all like him, and some (like me) don't vote partisan, but for the best candidate. My views and opinion tend toward Republican, hence the reason I'm Republican.

I just object to saying Republican's are like Edine, because that's just low...

05-10-2004, 08:35 AM
You really seem to have a thing for me SHM. :O

Suppa Hobbit Mage
05-10-2004, 08:39 AM
Not really, I just have gotten tired of your self absorbed bullshit, so figured I'd start pointing out what a jackass I and many others think you are.

Prove to me that I'm wrong :loser:

Nieninque
05-10-2004, 08:41 AM
This thread should be called "Did you even care?"

05-10-2004, 08:46 AM
What exactly about this was self absorbed?
I posted a article that I found intresting.

05-10-2004, 08:47 AM
And you have to give me credit, Im damn good at being a Jackass.

Atlanteax
05-10-2004, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by The Edine
And you have to give me credit, Im damn good at being a Jackass.

Let EdineCredits = EdineCredits +1 :rolleyes:

TheEschaton
05-10-2004, 10:31 AM
Did he go to a private school? If you are saying he only knows rich and famous people then thats an even worse picture to be painted in. Man of the people? If he went to a private school ill admit your arguement holds water though(hell the article probably says he did but im too lazy to read it again )

I don't think Kerry tries to be a "man of the people" more than G.W. Bush, who went to Andover (if you've never heard of it: the preppiest boarding school there is, in Andover MA), to Yale, and then to Harvard, and then ran in his daddy's oil circles, being GIVEN every opportunity he's had.

I mean, seriously, if his dad was never President, or had so much to back him with, would he ever have been elected? Nope.

And Edine, one of the reasons for an annulment can be the failure to disclose and be totally honest about something that may be physically/mentally/spiritually wrong with you. If she was prone to depression, that's reason for an annulment.

-TheE-

Wezas
05-10-2004, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by TheEschaton
I mean, seriously, if his dad was never President, or had so much to back him with, would he ever have been elected? Nope.

No. He would have had a shot at the mayor of DC though. Pretzel venders and coke dealers all over DC.


And Edine, one of the reasons for an annulment can be the failure to disclose and be totally honest about something that may be physically/mentally/spiritually wrong with you. If she was prone to depression, that's reason for an annulment.

Was thinking the same thing, but you said it better then I would have.

DeV
05-10-2004, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by Nieninque
This thread should be called "Did you even care?" That, and what Longshot said.

Tendarian
05-10-2004, 11:11 AM
I don't think Kerry tries to be a "man of the people" more than G.W. Bush, who went to Andover (if you've never heard of it: the preppiest boarding school there is, in Andover MA), to Yale, and then to Harvard, and then ran in his daddy's oil circles, being GIVEN every opportunity he's had.

Was Laura Bush incredibly wealthy? Are all the women Bush dated in the past incredibly wealthy and/or famous? This would fly in the face of the excuse that Kerry only dated extremely wealthy women cause he was born privileged and thats who he was around. As im pretty sure Bush was born into privilege as well :)

Parkbandit
05-10-2004, 12:05 PM
It's a non-issue. I for once agree with Ilvane. Concentrate on the issues.

Kerry is soft on everything except when the poll says not to be.. then he's not.

Discuss his weak stand on anything. Discuss him being THE most liberal Senator for the past 10 years... only to try and reinvent himself as a moderate.

Wezas
05-10-2004, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by Parkbandit
It's a non-issue. I for once agree with Ilvane. Concentrate on the issues.

Kerry is soft on everything except when the poll says not to be.. then he's not.

Discuss his weak stand on anything. Discuss him being THE most liberal Senator for the past 10 years... only to try and reinvent himself as a moderate.

I don't think I like it when PB agrees with the liberals. Please stop.