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Skirmisher
05-07-2004, 12:59 PM
Nice, I hope this is all a mixup, because oh my will people love us if its true.

Oregon Attorney Arrested Over Possible Tie to Spain Bombings

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By Richard B. Schmitt, Mark Z. Barabak and Sebastian Rotella Times Staff Writers

ALOHA, Ore. — A Portland lawyer was detained Thursday by the FBI (news - web sites) after federal officials linked his fingerprint to bomb-related evidence associated with the Madrid railway attacks that killed 191 people in March, a federal law enforcement official said.


The arrest of Brandon Mayfield, 37, raises the possibility of a U.S. connection to the March 11 bombings, which Spanish authorities have blamed on Islamic extremists.


The former Army officer, a Muslim convert, was held on a material-witness warrant after the FBI searched his home in the Portland suburb of Aloha. Mayfield's arrest was first reported Thursday on Newsweek magazine's website.


He has not been charged with any crime, and the federal official stressed that the investigation was continuing and is in many ways preliminary. Spanish officials cautioned earlier this week that they did not consider the fingerprint evidence to be conclusive.


Material-witness warrants are used by the government to hold people suspected of having direct knowledge about a crime or to give agents more time to investigate.


A native of Coos Bay, Ore., Mayfield is married and has three children. He converted to Islam in 1989 and attends a mosque in Beaverton, Ore., that also was searched by FBI agents Thursday. His military record was unavailable Thursday night.


Beth Anne Steele, a spokeswoman for the FBI in Portland, confirmed that two search warrants were served Thursday in Washington County, which includes Aloha, but declined to comment further.


Outside Mayfield's home, a small white clapboard structure in a working-class neighborhood 10 miles west of downtown Portland, TV news crews and curiosity seekers gathered as word of the arrest spread.


Neighbors described Mayfield family members, who have lived in Aloha for about 2 1/2 years, as courteous and hard-working. One said Mayfield was outside tending his tomato patch Thursday morning before the FBI arrived. Other than someone peering through the blinds, no one responded to knocks on the door seeking comment.


Roy and Arlene Witt, both 71, who live next door, recalled having a chicken dinner at the Mayfield residence. The evening began when the Mayfields sent one of their daughters over with a written invitation. Once the guests arrived, they found the house so sparsely furnished that the hosts sat on the floor.


"He's just a hard-working American man, father and husband, as far as I know," Roy Witt said.


Mayfield's brother Kent, reached at his home in Halstead, Kan., told Reuters that his brother was a vocal critic of U.S. foreign policy but no terrorist.


"I think the reason they are holding him is because he is of the Muslim faith and because he is not super happy with the Bush administration," the brother said. "So if that's a crime, well, you can burn half of us."


Mayfield also had an indirect link to the "Portland Seven" terrorism case brought by the Justice Department (news - web sites) last year.


He had served as a child-custody lawyer for one of the defendants, Jeffrey Battle, who pleaded guilty to conspiracy to wage war against the United States.


Other defendants pleaded guilty to lesser charges of conspiring to support Al Qaeda and Afghanistan (news - web sites)'s former Taliban rulers.


The FBI's interest in Mayfield stems from a fingerprint that turned up on a bag containing detonators and other bomb-related equipment left in the bombers' stolen van found at the Alcala de Henares train station outside Madrid hours after the bombings.


The fingerprint was among the physical evidence that Spanish investigators shared with a special FBI evidence analysis team that traveled to Madrid to assist with the case, according to Spanish and U.S. investigators.

The FBI "document exploitation" team compared the evidence with past terrorism cases and discovered the potential match between one of the numerous fingerprints found in the van and a U.S. citizen with military experience who was already under investigation for suspected terrorist activity.

FBI sources said one of the fingerprints matched Mayfield's. There had been no previous indication that Mayfield had been under investigation for suspected terrorist activity.

The discovery intrigued investigators because of the possible involvement of a U.S. military veteran, a rare figure in Al Qaeda cases, and the suspicion that he could have played a significant role in the plot.

Unlike previous Al Qaeda plots, none of the suspects accused of planting the bombs is known to have trained at the terrorist network's camps in Afghanistan. Spanish police think someone with explosives experience helped the attackers build the bombs at a tumbledown cottage outside Madrid.

The American fits the profile of such a potential lead bomb-maker or trainer, along with two Moroccan fugitives who are hard-core Al Qaeda-trained veterans and potential "field commanders" of the bombing cell, investigators said.

Twelve suspects have been jailed in Spain and a number of others are free but facing indictment. Seven more suspected bombers died last month in a confrontation at an explosives-filled hideout surrounded by police when they blew themselves up.

A senior Spanish investigator told the Los Angeles Times three weeks ago that a fingerprint found in the investigation of the train bombings resembled the fingerprint of a man described as a "U.S. military veteran" wanted by U.S. agents in connection with Islamic terrorism.

In subsequent days, two high-ranking Spanish police officials and a U.S. law enforcement official confirmed to The Times that the lead, involving a U.S. veteran connected to Al Qaeda, was being pursued. The veteran was someone who had been under investigation by U.S. agents for some time, the investigators said.

The lead intrigued Spanish investigators because they thought an operative with knowledge of explosives or military expertise helped the team of mostly Moroccan suspects build the remote-control bombs that were used in the March 11 attacks, which killed 191 people aboard four commuter trains and helped bring down the ruling party in national elections three days later.

But as recently as Monday, two Spanish police officials said the lead remained inconclusive.

"The American has the profile of an expert who could have supervised the bomb-making," a high-ranking Spanish police official said. "And obviously he's someone the Americans are very concerned about because of his background. But we are told the fingerprint match is not conclusive. We can't say right now that it is the same person."

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Schmitt reported from Washington, Barabak from Aloha, Ore., and Rotella from Paris.

Latrinsorm
05-07-2004, 01:18 PM
Sounds like the Oklahoma thing, where they were all like "Crazy Muslims OMG!!" and it's like "Nope, just some American guy." At least he's actually Muslim this time.

Siefer
05-07-2004, 04:39 PM
"The former Army officer, a Muslim convert"

GUILTY until proven innocent. I hope he get's a fair trial, followed by a first class gassing.

Skirmisher
05-07-2004, 05:55 PM
Hey there Siefer.

Long time no goose step.

Siefer
05-07-2004, 11:36 PM
"You know what the gas chamber smells like? Pine oil, that's where you're headed boy, pine oil heaven!"

05-08-2004, 02:10 AM
Id prefer to see him hanging from the stocks "if" he was involved

Weedmage Princess
05-08-2004, 11:17 AM
>>The former Army officer, a Muslim convert"

GUILTY until proven innocent. I hope he get's a fair trial, followed by a first class gassing.<<


Holy crap, where do we find these people? Is this place like an asshole magnet or something?

Siefer
05-09-2004, 01:52 AM
The guy is a piece of shit muslim traitor who deserves and will probably receive death. How can you possibly defend him? You'd have to be the shistiest Jewish lawyer to even remotely consider his innocence.

Siefer
05-09-2004, 01:54 AM
And just to add to this lovely attack on America...at least we aren't chopping people's heads off, or threatening to burn people alive, we're not attacking convoys and mutilating bodies of innocent contractors who are trying to help rebuild their country. This is your typical instance of America playing by the rules and getting assfucked for it.:moon:

05-09-2004, 02:10 AM
The purpose of a trial is to ensure that the person is indeed guilty and that due process was followed. Without these practices there would be nothing to stop somebody with authority from going into your home and throwing you in the gas chamber.

To suggest that someone is guilty until proven innocent and does not deserve the basic consideration given to all american citizens is not only unamerican, but treasonous and unpatriotic.

Weedmage Princess
05-09-2004, 03:00 AM
I'm not defending *him* Siefer, I'm more disgusted by your "If he's Muslim he's automatically guilty" crap...which was followed by the "Jewish lawyer" bs.

It's your prejudice that makes you an ass.

What are your thoughts on blonde-haired, blue-eyed American born and bred terrorists? They don't just make them in the Middle East, yanno. :rolleyes:

Siefer
05-09-2004, 05:44 PM
[i]To suggest that someone is guilty until proven innocent and does not deserve the basic consideration given to all american citizens is not only unamerican, but treasonous and unpatriotic. [i]

/DISAGREE. 10x

Giving that piece of shit anything less than death is treasonous.

[Edited on 5-9-2004 by Siefer]

Siefer
05-09-2004, 05:46 PM
God damn fucking italicized piece of shit...

05-09-2004, 05:54 PM
Your grasp of american history\politics and law leaves alot to be desired.

Siefer
05-09-2004, 06:18 PM
Don't get me started about American history and politics. I'm certain our ancestors are turning in their graves due to the current state of the country.

i remember halloween
05-09-2004, 06:23 PM
it's hardly treacherous to assume someone is guilty. the entire judicial system is now bullshit anyway.

05-09-2004, 07:03 PM
To assume? No, but to not afford them the basic rights set forth by the constitution, yes.

i remember halloween
05-09-2004, 07:21 PM
regardless, it's not treacherous. wrong yes, treacherous no.

05-09-2004, 08:03 PM
I didn't say treacherous I said treasonous

Skirmisher
05-09-2004, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by Siefer
Don't get me started about American history and politics. I'm certain our ancestors are turning in their graves due to the current state of the country.


Your ignorance in this field is staggering so please do not embarass yourself.

To love the US means to love it even with its black marks and mistakes. To see it for the sum of all that it is, not pick one part here and another there, the good with the bad. To gloss over those..is to double the error in not at least learning from them.

The one who does that is the one doing the US a true disservice.

DeV
05-09-2004, 08:46 PM
I guess the same goes for ignorance. Guily until proven otherwise.

Siefer
05-09-2004, 09:08 PM
The whole situation is fucking bullshit, just like everything in the US right now. Either you take an extreme approach or you be a fucking pussy. You are a fucking pussy liberal. Your weakness encourages terrorists to attack us again.

America - Love it, defend it, kill the mother fuckers who don't.

05-09-2004, 09:09 PM
Yes, I'll take my dismounted reconnasaince sniper liberal pussy ass elsewhere. Thanks for the input.

DeV
05-09-2004, 09:11 PM
And you think Americans are the only ones who feel that way about their country.

Skirmisher
05-09-2004, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by Siefer
The whole situation is fucking bullshit, just like everything in the US right now. Either you take an extreme approach or you be a fucking pussy. You are a fucking pussy liberal. Your weakness encourages terrorists to attack us again.

America - Love it, defend it, kill the mother fuckers who don't.
You are the one who is weak.

I and my love for this country is strong enough to face the WHOLE truth and still think its the best one out there. You hinder yourself if you do not even understand WHY someone might be angry with you. Understanding your enemy allows you to better combat them. Thats so simple yet for some reason you can't see it.

You want to stick your head in the sand go ahead, Just be ready for when the person comes up behind you and kicks you in the ass.

Edaarin
05-10-2004, 12:43 AM
I'm sorry, what do you do again Siefer?

Not in the armed forces anywhere? Right. Shut the fuck up.

Siefer
05-10-2004, 01:46 PM
"Understanding your enemy allows you to better combat them. Thats so simple yet for some reason you can't see it."

We wouldn't be in the shape we are right now if it wasn't for the Jews. They are the prime source of all evil in the world right now. The muslim people have the right of way in their struggle against the Jews HOWEVER they are against America, so we are put in an awkward position. To make a long story short we are bombing the wrong religious extremists. If you remove every American soldier from the Middle East and stop supporting state sponsored terrorists like Israel, another 9/11 won't happen. Unfortunately due to the Jewish influence in our society, this will NEVER happen.

[Edited on 5-10-2004 by Siefer]

Wezas
05-10-2004, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by Siefer
We wouldn't be in the shape we are right now if it wasn't for the Jews.

I think we have a new team in our midst.

Team Racist invites already been sent out to Ben, Testosterone, and Bob (hey, they're desperate for members)

Siefer
05-10-2004, 03:23 PM
The root of muslim hatred towards America lies in Israel. All roads lead there. I'm sorry but I'm 100% right on this issue Wezas. Label me however you want, I could care less. Worrying about getting blown up for leaving my house because of some Jew politician's decisions isn't racist, it's called OPENING YOUR FUCKING EYES.

Skirmisher
05-10-2004, 03:40 PM
I'm torn between simply ignoring you for your laughable views and assertions and simply ripping you a new one.

Your simplistic view of the world would be nice if it had any truth to it. I never quite understood how people came to hold such stances. Are you simply incapable of seeing the big picture and thus forced to take the easy way of blaming one group for all the worlds problems or were you taught this from an early age or what?

In any event. Pull your head out of your ass, yes its a big scary world, but hiding in there doesn't make it any better, and read a damned newspaper or something to learn a little of how the world works.

:newbie:

Siefer
05-10-2004, 03:53 PM
The fucking world is coming apart at the seams and nobody is doing a damn thing. Everyone is taking this passive stance towards the problems at hand. That's what laughable.

Disprove this statement for me, then we can talk about laughable

"The root of muslim hatred towards America lies in Israel"

05-10-2004, 05:20 PM
You may very well be right, but the answer is not the completel absolution of any ties to Israel.

If it wasn't muslim hatred, It would be any number of groups. Conflict is inevitible. Stop being a bitch and join the rest of us in the real world.

Skirmisher
05-10-2004, 05:40 PM
I think i could make quite a plausible arguement that it was the formation of the USSR and the cold war that led to the where the US ended up being seen as the devil by so many groups in the mideast as well as around the world.

By the way, love your backpedaling from your earlier staement of:

We wouldn't be in the shape we are right now if it wasn't for the Jews. They are the prime source of all evil in the world right now.

Perhaps even you finally saw how foolish it made you look.

Siefer
05-10-2004, 09:47 PM
No Israel = No extremism against the US. How the hell am I backpedalling? The above statement is correct, they are the prime source of evil in the world right now.

DeV
05-10-2004, 09:50 PM
Blame the our government for backing Isreal. Who's giving them the support?

Ravenstorm
05-10-2004, 10:17 PM
One factor to also take into account is the Church - one of the guiding forces of western civilization - killing Muslims for quite a large number of centuries. Another is America's history of interfering with countries and installing puppets in power to do America's bidding. Of course, that rarely ever works - (has it ever in the long run?) - and it makes the motives of the US highly suspect.

So when you combine the hard feelings against the Judeo-Christian religions and the espionage and clandestine empire building America is known for, Israel is fuel on the fire.

The moral is: the real world is a lot more complicated than simple minds want to make it.

Raven

Siefer
05-10-2004, 11:56 PM
For the most part, I agree with the last 2 posts. Unfortunately, the Jewish politicians in America will never end support for Israel. I disagree with Raven for saying Israel is fuel on the fire. We aren't living in the Middle Ages anymore, the Church isn't killing muslims anymore, the Jews are. The point I'm trying to make here is that the past is the past and we need to start shaping our future, but I feel we're making some pretty shitty decisions that will come back to bite us on the ass in the years to come.

Ravenstorm
05-11-2004, 02:20 AM
Originally posted by Siefer

Unfortunately, the Jewish politicians in America will never end support for Israel.

1) There aren't enough Jewish politicians to control the US government's foreign policy. Non-jews heavily outnumber Jews in the federal and state's legislatures. Nor has there ever been a Jewish President. Despite this, support for Israel continues.

2) Fundamentalist Christians support Israel. It is in their scriptures that Israel will control the Holy Land when the Messiah returns. I believe Evangelical Christians outnumber Jews in the US.

3) America stands for, and has always stood for, freedom. Supporting a people's right to their own homeland after millenia of persecution is a sterling example of what America is all about. The day that changes is the day America dies. What needs to happen now is that the Palestinians needs their own homeland as well and America needs to support that as well. (simplistic version)


We aren't living in the Middle Ages anymore, the Church isn't killing muslims anymore, the Jews are. The point I'm trying to make here is that the past is the past...

The past is never over. And you really need to study some history if you don't realize that events that happened centuries ago still influence events today. Have two examples: Turks and Armenians, Serbs and Albanians.

Raven

Ravenstorm
05-24-2004, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by Siefer
The guy is a piece of shit muslim traitor who deserves and will probably receive death. How can you possibly defend him? You'd have to be the shistiest Jewish lawyer to even remotely consider his innocence.

Well, what do you know... The FBI totally fucked up and arrested a completely innocent person instead of, you know, a piece of shit Muslim traitor who deserves to die.

And what an excellent arguement against the 'I'm not guilty so have nothing to fear' answer to the dangers of the Patriot Act and similar infringements on civil liberties.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2001937231_webmayfield24.html

Raven

Hulkein
05-24-2004, 06:56 PM
He's already out of jail, what's the problem here?

A computer fucked up and they fixed the problem.

TheEschaton
05-24-2004, 06:57 PM
Damn, they're SO gonna get sued.


-TheE-

Weedmage Princess
05-24-2004, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by Hulkein
He's already out of jail, what's the problem here?

A computer fucked up and they fixed the problem.

Heh, somehow if it were you say, who were wrongfully labeled a terrorist, you who were arrested, your name thrown into the public spotlight with that label, your family who had to suffer this (and all the threats and mistreatment such a charge brings) and you who had to spend ANY amount in time in jail with other criminals looking at you with extra malice since you're a "terrorist" ..and in some cases, lust...I bet your take would be a touch different.

Hulkein
05-24-2004, 07:10 PM
My point is it has little to do with the patriot act. A computer scanning a fingerprint fucked up. How is this any different then say the NYPD running a print and their computer messing up and arresting an innocent resident of NY?

[Edited on 5-24-2004 by Hulkein]

05-24-2004, 07:12 PM
He claims that he was subject to sneek and peek raids by federal officals. Keyword is claim. There is no proof yet saying that was the case. We will have to wait and see what comes out when the court documents are let out to the public.

Ravenstorm
05-24-2004, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by Hulkein
My point is it has little to do with the patriot act.

You might note that I didn't say the Patriot Act itself was at fault here.

In the past however, when discussing the evils of the Patriot Act, several people have said that they aren't concerned about civil liberties being infringed upon by it because they aren't guilty. This is a perfect textbook example that being guilty or not can be completely irrelevant. Whether the Patriot Act came into play here - and it likely did considering it was a terrorism related case - is moot to the point I was making: guilt or innocent isn't the final determiner.

Any of you can be arrested as a terrorist on little or no proof because the government fucked up (add one to my 'fuck count'. make that two). And anything that infringes on your basic rights, that allows you to be tried and publically or privately convicted without due process, is dangerous and yes, unAmerican.

Raven

Siefer
05-25-2004, 01:29 AM
And you can blame the Jews and Muslims for this current intrusion into America's private life by the government. End of discussion.