Sometimes Rehabilitation does not Work

[Atlanteax]

It's instances like these that is why I'm supportive of a more liberal application of the death penalty in the criminal justice system.

It's the most practical way to confront the "revolving door" problem, while sparing taxpayers the $millions that would otherwise be required to house them (for life) or spent in future futile rehabilition attempts.

Also limit death penalty appeal to an one-time instance, and then just simply fry them (especially if repeat offenders, or serial killers/rapists). Don't waste taxpayer dollars keeping them alive! (yes, it may be considered extreme, but ultimately a necessary solution)


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http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Central/05/06/molester.nabbed.ap/index.html

Sex offender arrested after handing out baby-sitting fliers

HELENA, Montana (AP) -- A registered sex offender was arrested for allegedly soliciting baby-sitting jobs through fliers and classified advertisements, police said.

Kenneth Lee Hall was arrested Wednesday and jailed for violating the terms of his sex-offender therapy, a condition of his probation. Hall, 41, was convicted in May 1999 of sexual assault.

A merchant became suspicious when he read a flier Hall dropped off at his business, offering to provide overnight baby-sitting for children ages 2 to 4, said Detective Bryan Fischer. The flier said Hall would like to be a "big brother" for a handicapped girl between the ages of 2 and 4, and offered a place to stay for a homeless girl up to the age of 8.

The business manager found Hall's photograph and criminal history on a sex offender Web site and called 911.

Fischer said Hall placed a classified advertisement in a weekly newspaper in late March, offering to baby-sit young children.

Police are investigating whether anyone responded to the offers.

[The Cat In The Hat]

Nobody I dont know will EVER take care of my kid. Anyone that hires someone off a flyer or classafied add should be beaten IMO.

Cat

[Weedmage Princess]

It's sad, the type of world we live in today where people stoop to that level.

I feel bad for couples who for one reason or another have to move to another city and don't know anyone, so they have to look at flyers and things of that nature for babysitting. I'm grateful that I don't have to worry about strangers watching my son and any future children I might have.

[TheEschaton]

Or, you could change the prison system in that it actually tried to rehabilitate people, instead of cementing their criminality and making the recidivism rate the highest in the world.


-TheE-

[The Cat In The Hat]

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess
It's sad, the type of world we live in today where people stoop to that level.

I feel bad for couples who for one reason or another have to move to another city and don't know anyone, so they have to look at flyers and things of that nature for babysitting. I'm grateful that I don't have to worry about strangers watching my son and any future children I might have.

Well, there's that... But there's always organized centers for childcare that are MUCH safer than a stranger.

I get nervous leaving my daughter with her grandmother though, but I think that comes from her almost dying when she was born 3 months early.

Cat

[DeV]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
Or, you could change the prison system in that it actually tried to rehabilitate people, instead of cementing their criminality and making the recidivism rate the highest in the world.


-TheE- So true. Sexual offenders are the worst with the rates of recidivism. There really is no cure for their sickness which is why they shouldn't just be released back into society without extensive therapy, and perhaps...castration.

[Atlanteax]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
Or, you could change the prison system in that it actually tried to rehabilitate people, instead of cementing their criminality and making the recidivism rate the highest in the world.

-TheE-

Waste of money, especially when they are repeat offenders.

Better to just end the liability to American society.

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by Atlanteax

Waste of money, especially when they are repeat offenders.

The point though would be to rehabilitate them before they become repeat offenders.

Raven

edited to add:

However, there are some crimes so heinous that I have no problem at all with the death penalty if there is absolutely no question of the person's guilt.

[Edited on 5-6-2004 by Ravenstorm]

[DeV]

If ending the liability would help keep these offenders from going after a child in my neighborhood then Im all for it. As it stands sexual offenders are THE worst and if the government can't come up with some type of program or system to better protect children then they need to start issuing these criminals longer or mandatory prison sentences.

[Atlanteax]

Originally posted by Ravenstorm

Originally posted by Atlanteax

Waste of money, especially when they are repeat offenders.

The point though would be to rehabilitate them before they become repeat offenders.

Raven

Ideally, yes.

However, some people are simply incapable of adhering to the morals of American society, and obeying the laws.

If rehabilation for those types are ineffective... what then?

It's unfair to American taxpayers to have to pay $ to house and feed them... and you can't let them re-enter society with the reasonable anticipation that they'll become repeat offenders.

Removing the liability would ulimately save on resources, that would then be applied for the benefit of the rest of society, ideally(and ironically) education and healthcare.

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Too bad the same solution can't be applied to stupid people...

The ACLU would stress that they have the "right" to be stupid. :rolleyes:

These types of people really make me sick. Everyone that preys on young children like this deserves the death penalty. Not this lethal injection crap either, I'm all for the firing squad.

- Arkans

[Bobmuhthol]

<<if there is absolutely no question of the person's guilt.>>

That will never happen. Assumption is always involved.

[Mint]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<if there is absolutely no question of the person's guilt.>>

That will never happen. Assumption is always involved.

Caught in the act would qualify I would think.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Mint
Caught in the act would qualify I would think. Prove it. I was framed. Doppleganger. Alternate universe. Sunspots.

[Mint]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by Mint
Caught in the act would qualify I would think. Prove it. I was framed. Doppleganger. Alternate universe. Sunspots.

I guess it is moot since if I caught someone doing something with a kid I would probably die trying to beat them to death. Proof be damned.

[Iriscience]

Originally posted by Arkans
These types of people really make me sick. Everyone that preys on young children like this deserves the death penalty. Not this lethal injection crap either, I'm all for the firing squad.

- Arkans

right on, death to sick fucks

[Ravenstorm]

Just for the sake of arguement... Let's put a name and a face to the general 'sick fucks' everyone is so quick to kill.

If Michael Jackson is convicted, do you all advocate putting him to death?

Raven

[Artha]

Yes.

PS: www.perverted-justice.com

[Edited on 5-6-2004 by Artha]

[Galleazzo]

Ya know, I used to be all for the death penalty. I even hosted a fish fry at Jack August's the night they fried Ted Bundy. I thought, let the fuckers burn.

Then this DNA stuff comes out, and they've already freed 33 guys from death row the last couple years on it. Man, Illinois alone's freed over a dozen guys from death row.

33 guys convicted and sentenced to die. AND THEY DIDN'T FUCKING DO THE CRIMES.

I'm sorry, any system sending innocent men to burn is no good. It's against God, and it's wrong.

[i remember halloween]

Originally posted by Ravenstorm
Just for the sake of arguement... Let's put a name and a face to the general 'sick fucks' everyone is so quick to kill.

If Michael Jackson is convicted, do you all advocate putting him to death?

Raven

yes.

can you give me a good reason to not?

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by i remember halloween
can you give me a good reason to not? Michael Jackson, despite his best efforts, is still a human being.

[Tendarian]

If Jackson is found guilty and the evidence is there then i say yes. Let Jackson pay the ultimate price. Im talking DNA evidence and all that. To me any rape, be it to kids or adults, should be a death penalty option case. As long as the evidence is there i think it would be a good thing.

[TheEschaton]

And we call the criminals the sick fucks. ;)

-TheE-

[Souzy]

Boo on the chesters! :down:

I would kill someone if they touched my child. It would be a slow, painful death. Something like, I'd lock them in my basement, slash them up, rub salt in their wounds, slam a hammer against their dick, and then some. No quick killing, just torture.

[Artha]

Michael Jackson, despite his best efforts, is still a human being.

Humanity ends at child rape.

[Souzy]

Originally posted by Artha

Michael Jackson, despite his best efforts, is still a human being.

Humanity ends at child rape.

He doesn't even look human anymore. :barf:

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Artha
Humanity ends at child rape. I disagree.

[TheEschaton]

Hell, I don't even believe humanity ends at death. ;)


-TheE-